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james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:29:33 PM): good evening
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:29:43 PM): god evening everybody
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:29:46 PM): good evening sa lahat
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:29:56 PM): francy_tc has joined the conference.
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:29:59 PM): Hi to everybody
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:30:02 PM): naku po..ala ako voice here:
wingzerocustom_15 (6/22/2007 11:30:07 PM): Good evening to everyone..
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:30:23 PM): Hello Sir!
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:30:54 PM): Uh, is anyone supposed to be speaking? I can't hear
anything.
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:31:09 PM): wingzerocustom_15 has left the conference
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Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:31:19 PM): good evening sir and classmates
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:31:26 PM): no... just type your msges,francy
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:31:44 PM): Hi Shair
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:31:47 PM): Shai
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:31:48 PM): hehehe
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:31:49 PM): Hello Shai!
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:31:54 PM): Parang Noridel!
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:31:58 PM): hehhee
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:32:01 PM): Hi everyone
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:32:06 PM): hello anthony good eve!
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:32:09 PM): Hello classmates!!!
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:32:37 PM): srmaristela has joined the conference.
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:32:40 PM): Haha!
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:32:45 PM): thanks sir...jane
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:32:47 PM): hi sirlancelot hirap...i cant memorize the name
behind the ym id hehehe
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:32:59 PM): Anthony
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:33:01 PM): pls type your name...hehehe
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:33:05 PM): hi anthony...
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:33:10 PM): hello ofw in upou... wats ur name?
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:33:12 PM): Francy
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:33:15 PM): shasha babae ako
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:33:17 PM): Where is Sir?
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:33:18 PM): im noridel shai
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:33:33 PM): hi noridel
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:33:44 PM): Ciao Noridel!
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:33:55 PM): Kumusta ka rin, classmate!
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:33:56 PM): sir larry...where are you...5 mins more this
internet cafe will close...prayer(salah) time..huhuhu
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:34:15 PM): marhaba francy and classmates...sis jane...
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:34:32 PM): hi pauline...
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:34:38 PM): hi to all
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:34:41 PM): hi kuya del
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:34:46 PM): Hello Pauline!
Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:34:52 PM): hi, senior citizen's club tyo ha
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:35:02 PM): naku
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:35:04 PM): yeah sis pauline
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:35:06 PM): Hindi pa po ako senior! Hehe.
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:35:11 PM): di senior citizen si Francy at ako
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:35:12 PM): hahaha
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:35:15 PM): kami lang francy hehehe
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:35:23 PM): huhuhuhu.yaw nila senior hehehe
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:35:28 PM): Haha, okay. Gotcha.
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:35:41 PM): Hindi po! I adore all of you!
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:35:43 PM): di bale...we have discount in bus and movie
hehehe
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:35:51 PM): welcome sir larry
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:35:53 PM): Oh, how I know!
Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:36:01 PM): ok, bagets not forgets
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:36:21 PM): wow ganda topic ah! age! hahaha
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:36:29 PM): class quiet..sir larry is here now...
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:36:32 PM): hehehe
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:36:40 PM): wag na pagusapan age...
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:36:48 PM): What's Sir Larry's username? Where is he?
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:36:48 PM): age doesnt matter ika nga
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:37:01 PM): mmapolon si sir larry francy
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:37:14 PM): Oh okay...
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:37:29 PM): Noridel
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:37:36 PM): Lancelot parin ba name ko d2?
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:37:38 PM): yes anthony
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:37:40 PM): cno si nalaladok?
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:37:45 PM): oo anthony
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:37:52 PM): shai...si sir larry un
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:37:52 PM) : naku po
nalaladok (6/22/2007 11:37:52 PM): sir ito ung offline message ko: Sir sa araw-araw na
salita, ano ang ibig sabihin ng LOGIC?
o fw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:37:57 PM): ay mali pala hehehe
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james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:38:11 PM): wb
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:38:11 PM): hala ibang conference
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:38:23 PM): hi uli
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:38:32 PM): Dalawa?
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:38:35 PM) : doon ata tayo sa kabila
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:38:38 PM): start now
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:38:40 PM): asan na
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:38:41 PM): nawala si sir ditto
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:38:44 PM): Helllo Vieeeetnam ...
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:38:46 PM): i nvite nyo ako..hehehe
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:38:48 PM): francy_tc has joined the conference.
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:38:49 PM): yung isa?
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:38:49 PM): mary jane torres has left the conference.
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:39:01 PM): wheew..what happen
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:39:09 PM): san na sila?
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:39:10 PM): good evening
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:39:22 PM): good evening...
jay_licauco (6/22/2007 11:39:23 PM): gandang gabi clasmates!!!
jay_licauco (6/22/2007 11:39:26 PM): sir!
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:39:27 PM): Why do we have to have two conferences?
Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:39:28 PM): nandyan naman si sir ha, bakit sila umalis?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:39:34 PM): sino po ang bago tonight?
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:39:35 PM): yeah..
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:39:36 PM): bakit nga
nalaladok (voice): Ako po sir,
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:39:43 PM): ofw_in_upou has joined the conference.
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:39:46 PM): Why do we have to have two conferences?
Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:39:46 PM): wers my invite?
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:39:53 PM): Si Francy
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:39:53 PM): srmaristela has joined the conference .
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shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:40:09 PM): pls invite me...
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:40:10 PM): why two...and sir larry is in two conference
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:40:16 PM): Does that mean meron kayong conference last night?
I wasn't there?
Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:40:23 PM): wala pa akong invite?
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:40:27 PM): Pauline Arquelada has joined the
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ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:40:27 PM): hello
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:40:29 PM): Pauline Arquelada has left the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:40:33 PM): ofw_in_upou has left the conference.
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:40:33 PM): yep...francy
jay_licauco (6/22/2007 11:40:53 PM): sir we can hear u
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:40:55 PM): Oh man! Does this happen every night?
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:40:59 PM): ME!
jay_licauco (6/22/2007 11:40:59 PM): pero napuputol
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:41:00 PM): I'm only available during friday huuhuhu
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:41:00 PM): i'm new
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:41:02 PM): fresh!
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:41:03 PM): hehe
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:41:05 PM): I don't know about it.
Pauline Arquelada (6/22/2007 11:41:07 PM): good evening to all
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:41:11 PM):
nalaladok (6/22/2007 11:41:13 PM): Sir sa araw-araw na salita, ano ang ibig sabihin ng
LOGIC?
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:41:22 PM): sir larry and classmates...i have to close it
now..prayer time
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:41:23 PM): Yes, buona notte to all!
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:41:28 PM): byemuna...balik ako ulit hhuhuhu
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:41:36 PM): close ang shop pag salah
ofw_in_upou (6/22/2007 11:41:40 PM): byeee
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:41:40 PM): shai_camacho has left the conference.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:41:44 PM): Logic?
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:41:46 PM): bye kuya del
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:41:47 PM): What's Sir Larry's username?
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:41:53 PM): ofw_in_upou has left the conference.
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:42:15 PM): mmapolon francy
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:42:15 PM): sir larry is hilario francy
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:42:23 PM):
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:42:27 PM): Mmapolon.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:42:35 PM): The nearest I can think of is sensible
thinking
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:43:01 PM): mdeguzman1017 has joined the
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francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:43:28 PM): And sensible thinking requires...
nalaladok (voice): Sir ang ibig sabihin ba ng “sensible thnking” paggamit ng ating mga
“senses”
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:43:38 PM): Hindi armando...
mdeguzman1017 (6/22/2007 11:43:43 PM): good evening
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:44:01 PM): Sensibl meaning makabuluhan kung
magsalita o mangatwiran ka...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:44:02 PM): No, thank you.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:44:18 PM): maayos ang daloy ng katwiran...
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:44:42 PM): I hope to acquire that whenever I debate with
someone about a very strong topic.
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:44:45 PM): sirlancelot707 has left the conference.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:44:46 PM): fran
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:44:56 PM): It sometimes misses me.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:45:17 PM): Requires adherence to a set of rules
called rules of inference
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:45:37 PM): shai_camacho has joined the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:45:40 PM): shai_camacho has joined the conference.
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:46:07 PM): Hey Shai! Join in!
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:46:12 PM): Where is everybody?
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:46:23 PM): am i here now?
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:46:30 PM): Yes you are...
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:46:31 PM): diana karen cruz has joined the conference.
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:46:56 PM): thanks... thanks fr the invite jane
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:46:58 PM): rules of inference?
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:47:15 PM): sir excuse lang po...yung f2f bukas 10-12 lang
daw sabi sa updlc
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:47:22 PM): sir yun po ba ang topic natin ngaun?
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:47:37 PM): We have a face to face tomorrow? Where?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:47:53 PM): Halimbawa Aramando... pag sinabi
mong hindi ako galit ,tapos sinabi mo ulit galit ako, it violates a rule called
contradiction...insensible ka dahil isa lang ang puwedeng totoo at a time...
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:47:56 PM): sa upd, palma hall...
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:48:00 PM): Palma hall room 404
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:48:04 PM): TEKA ARMANDO...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:48:12 PM): Settle down muna tayo...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:49:05 PM): sorry naputol...had to change
laptops...la voice yung gamit ko kanina...
nalaladok (6/22/2007 11:49:15 PM):
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:49:24 PM):
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:49:33 PM):
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:49:36 PM): basa ko muna ang mga inputs
(queries)... sandali lkang...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:50:04 PM): isa lng po conference francy
francy_tc (6/22/2007 11:50:16 PM): Yep, got it. I'm here.
Yahoo! Messenger (6/22/2007 11:50:28 PM): francy_tc has left the conference.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:50:39 PM): Noridel,welcome from the land of
endless sand
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:50:39 PM): ok
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:51:33 PM): Sir, ng sasalah po si Noridel
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:54:23 PM): yep...are you a moslem, Shahida?
mdeguzman1017 (6/22/2007 11:54:30 PM): now I know.thanks
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:55:00 PM): ANNNOUNCEMENT
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:55:03 PM): by birth b... but christian ... cause i was baptized
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:55:04 PM): F2F tom
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:55:42 PM): 9-12 Plama Hall 404
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:55:46 PM): Diliman
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:55:47 PM): now im returning to islam....
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:55:56 PM): thats y im reading ahmadiyyat and quran
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:56:08 PM): sure na po yun,sir?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:56:13 PM): Alhamdullilah...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:56:31 PM): sure po
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:56:36 PM): thanks!
james20061220 (6/22/2007 11:56:42 PM): palma hall 404
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:56:53 PM): somebody invite melanie trani...
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:57:22 PM): nasa part pa lang ako na i can read the text but
cant understand it....self study po e...
mary jane torres (6/22/2007 11:57:28 PM): sir ano po ym add nya
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:57:30 PM): WHAT SHALL WE DISCUSS
TONIGHT...
shai_camacho (6/22/2007 11:58:35 PM): hmm... faith ! relevant sakin yun. ..
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/22/2007 11:59:04 PM): I s there a topic someone needs to
discuss?Take-off point lang...
Nalaladok (voice): kayo na lang mag-umpisa sir…
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:59:45 PM): Sir
srmaristela (6/22/2007 11:59:49 PM): eh...sir...our take off point po sa philo...where do
we begin po?
sirlancelot707 (6/22/2007 11:59:56 PM): pano po ung course guide natin
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:00:07 AM): or ung outline
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:00:10 AM): like po nung mga requirements
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:00:11 AM): etc
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:00:11 AM): about studying ourselves....
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:02:26 AM): Studying ourselves, Shai...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:02:29 AM): SIGE
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:03:11 AM): Anthony ...upload komamaya yung
course guide
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:03:25 AM): salamat po Sir
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:04:04 AM): dba nasabi nyo po na dapat ndi tayo magulo sa
sarili natin
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:04:49 AM): We have to know where we stand in
so many different issues.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:05:02 AM): We are definitely biased
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:05:14 AM): walang taong walang bias
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:05:33 AM): yea we lean towards our emoyions
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:05:37 AM): yeah
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:05:39 AM): emotions
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:05:56 AM): Nalilito ba tayo minsan dahil di na
natin alam kung ano ang "tama" ,MALI"
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:06:06 AM): dapat, hindi dapat,
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:06:31 AM): pano yun kung minsan sir diba feeling mo
tama pero parang mali
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:06:38 AM): at minsan naman parang in between
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:06:53 AM): paano natin gagawin yun sir?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:06:59 AM): Kahapon sabi natin, dahil ito sa
maraming naririnig at nakikita na nagsasabing sila ang tama...
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:07:37 AM): you need to clear your mind para magawa mo
yun...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:07:47 AM): The reality is we do not know what
really is right,wrong,proper,improper, etc.
Yahoo! Messenger (6/23/2007 12:07:51 AM): sky9ql has joined the conference.
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:08:05 AM): kaya lang minsan yun nga lang mahirap ding
gawin
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:08:15 AM): Minsan dahil lang sa
tradition...remember that issue coming up last night shai?
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:08:43 AM): about rational thinking sir?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:08:48 AM): Kasi hindi malinaw sa atin kung
anong dapat gawin dahil.. .
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:09:25 AM): madaming nakapaligid satin...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:09:30 AM): umaasa tayong may isang tama, isa
lang ang totoo... etc.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:09:43 AM): I do not believe we can know that...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:09:47 AM) : people...
mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:09:54 AM): i agree sir
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:10:02 AM): sir pwede po magtanong
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:10:05 AM): Kung karelasyon nyo, sinabi "I love
You?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:10:18 AM): How do you know that it is true...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:10:22 AM): sige nga...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:10:31 AM): go diana
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:10:33 AM): sir sabi nyo po biased tayo
Yahoo! Messenger (6/23/2007 12:10:38 AM): francy_tc has joined the conference.
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diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:10:49 AM): kc po question ko din po sa sarili ko un
nalaladok (voice): Sir base pos a nararamdaman,
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:10:54 AM): Base sa nararamdaman?Paano ka
nakasisiguro?
nalaladok (voice): Hindi ko rin po lam sir,
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:11:00 AM): kung nag eexist ba tlga ang objectivity
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:11:04 AM): alin, diana?
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:11:05 AM): we'll never know really
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:11:10 AM): kc nga po lahat tayo biased in our own way
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:11:13 AM): Yes marge...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:11:21 AM): yun ang totoo
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:11:27 AM): sya lang talga nakakaalam nun
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:11:28 AM): look straight into his eyes...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:11:39 AM): Kaya puwede kong sabihin na I love
you pero nanloloko ako
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:11:51 AM): right
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:11:59 AM): Maiba tayo. If someone says I love you to you, and
he/she is not a boyfriend/girlfriend, what would you think?
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:12:10 AM): then titingnan ko kung totoo nga yun pero ndi
din ako sigurado
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:12:51 AM): Pag may nabasa ka sa diyaryo...Pogi
daw si Larry Mapolon...paano mo malalaman na totoo?
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:12:57 AM): if a lie detector machine is available, isasalpak
ko sya sa dun.
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:12:58 AM): he/she can use the word love loosely
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:13:25 AM): Love is a relative word.
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:13:28 AM): I will see Larry Mapolon by myself to confirm
the argument
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:13:32 AM): hahanap mune ako ng picture ni larry
mapolon....
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:13:37 AM): sir we have our own opinion regarding things
right
nalaladok (voice): Sir kapag po may picture kayo na kasama sa diyaryo, kapag nakita ko,
malalaman ko po kapag pogi nga kayo,
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:13:38 AM): Kahit may picture, armando...pogi is
relative...magagalit nanay ko sa yo kung sinabi mong pangit ako
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:13:46 AM): Depends on who's saying it, how he said it, and how
he acts after.
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:13:49 AM): so i think maganda sa iyo pwedeng panget sa
akin
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:13:54 AM): kasi ang totoo sa nanay ko...pogi
ako...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:13:55 AM): faith lang talaga yan..
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:13:57 AM): then sakin na yung opinion ko...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:14:02 AM): yes francy
Yahoo! Messenger (6/23/2007 12:14:03 AM): ofw_in_upou has joined the conference.
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:14:09 AM): Its in the eye of the beholder
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:14:10 AM): wla cgurong empirical evidence..
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:14:14 AM): thanks sis jane...im back
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:14:16 AM): pero ang pogi sa yo pwedeng hindi pogi sa
akin
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:14:18 AM): Haha! Nakakatawa pala si Sir!
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:14:25 AM): kc iba ang pogi sayo sa pogi para sakin db..
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:14:27 AM): wheewww..me topic na ata
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:14:29 AM): naks sky...naka empirical evidence ka
na
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:14:34 AM): No empirical evidence, yes.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:14:38 AM): SANDALI...
nalaladok (voice): Sir tanong lang po ulit, ano po ang ibig sabihin ng “BIAS” sa
tagalong?
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:14:43 AM): hala...nagbasa na sila...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:14:52 AM): good...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:15:01 AM): sir..^^
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:15:06 AM): bias...pagkiling sa tagalog
mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:15:16 AM): we see and accept things on different
perspective
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:15:18 AM): yep
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:15:24 AM): TEKA,...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:15:30 AM): Let me make my point...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:15:51 AM): <<<<observe muna...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:16:13 AM): Kung mundo ang pagbabatayan,
hindi natin matitiyak kung ano ang nandiyan,tama,mali etc.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:16:35 AM): Ang katotohanan dito...malalaman
mo ba kung no ang nasa isip ng ibang tao?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:16:44 AM): What do you thin
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:16:47 AM): think
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:16:51 AM): hinde cguro
nalaladok (voice): yes sir,
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:16:55 AM): yes...paano
nalaladok (voice): halimbasa, pedeng i-anticipate ang galaw ng isang tao base sa kanyang
behavior, at sa aking karanasan pede mong malaman ang posibling mangyari moments
bago ito mangyari (maganap),
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:17:14 AM): hindi...
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:17:15 AM): i see..
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:17:27 AM): kung kilala mo na talga yung taong yun
pwede
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:17:28 AM): minsan malaman natin ang nsa isip ng ibang
tao...ito ay sa kanyang kilos
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:17:31 AM): (question revise) kungg masakit sabi
niya...mararamdaman nmo ba kung gaano kasakit?
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:17:51 AM): hindi
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:17:52 AM): hindi din..kase..he/she can always..cover up
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:17:57 AM): and we wouldnt know
nalaladok (voice): hindi, ang tanging magagawa mo lang ay makiramay,
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:17:59 AM): yes armando...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:18:06 AM): makiramay lang
Added by nalaladok- sample case study1: Halimbawa isang araw niyaya ka ng iyong
kaibigan na uminom ng alak o kaya ay mamasyal o pumunta sa isang party o kahit ano pa
man na pede kang yayahin, sa iyong palagay ay parang ayaw mong sumama, pero dahil
nga sa s’ya ay iyong kaibigan, hindi mo s’ya natanggihan at napilitan kang sumama. By
the time na nag-inuman kayo, may nangyari sa’yo na hindi maganda at ang pangyayaring
yon ay sapat upang ikaw ay ma-ospital. Habang nasa loob ka ng ospital ay binisita ka ng
iyong kaibigan na s’ya ring nagyaya sa’yo (s’ya ay healthy dahil sa’yo lang naman
nangyari yung hindi maganda). Kinausap ka ng kaibigan mo at sinabi mo sa kanya kung
gaano kasakit at kapait ang nangyari sa’yo. Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:17:31
AM): kungg masakit sabi niya...mararamdaman nmo ba kung gaano kasakit? nalaladok
(voice): hindi, ang tanging magagawa mo lang ay makiramay, Martin Hilario Mapolon
(6/23/2007 12:17:59 AM): yes armando... Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:18:06
AM): makiramay lang Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:18:28 AM): but we can't
possibly know exactly what another person thinks or feels
Sample case study2: Kung ikaw ay tumanggi sa pagyayaya ng iyong kaibigan, ano ang
posibling mangyari sa’yo. Nakukunsensya ka dahil hindi mo s’ya napagbigyan, iniisip
mo na nakasakit ka ng ibang tao at higit sa lahat ang taong yon ay ang iyong kaibigan.
Iniisip mo rin na baka mawalan ka na ng kaibigan. From this part, hindi ko na po alam
kung ano ang meron sa Philosopiya na pedeng magjustify tungkol sa “tama” o “mali” na
naging desisyon mo, sa iyong palagay. Ang nalalaman ko lang: Friends are friends pero
kung may mangyari sa’yo na hindi maganda, ikaw lang ang nakakaranas ng sakit nito,
ikaw lang din ang kawawa. Ang tanging magagawa lang ng iyong kaibigan ay
makiramay, yon lang. Para kay sir Larry, correct me here if I am wrong, Martin Hilario
Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:18:53 AM): ANG TAWAG DITO SA PILOSOPIYA, PROBLEM
OF OTHER MINDS
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:18:10 AM): you can feel....
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:18:23 AM): no...unless naramdaman na natin yung sakit na
yun
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:18:28 AM): but we can't possibly know exactly
what another person thinks or feels
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:18:32 AM): For me, based on experience, you have to know the
person very well to even have an iota of what he is thinking. Parang kaming
magkakapatid, halos alam na namin ang iniisip ng bawat isa kasi we're always with each
other.
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:18:36 AM): yes yes..
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:18:38 AM): never..
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:18:53 AM): ANG TAWAG DITO SA
PILOSOPIYA, PROBLEM OF OTHER MINDS
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:18:55 AM): makiramay nga lang ...pero di natin talga
alam kung gaano kasakit
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:19:09 AM): Anong implication nito...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:19:11 AM): Other person means stranger siguro, noh?
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:19:33 AM): wala rin qualifier kung anu ung degree or
level na nraramdaman ng isang tao
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:19:34 AM): Lahat tayo nakakulong sa sarili
nating mundo na tayo lamang ang tuay na nakakita at nakdarama
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:19:35 AM): pero may idea ka na masakit sa kanya kc
nakikita mo din syang nahihirapan
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:19:38 AM): tunay...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:19:42 AM): Kung gano kasakit ang...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:19:52 AM): Interpretation natin yon, shai
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:20:10 AM): anong uri ng sakit po ito...emotional or
physical?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:20:35 AM): pero tingnan nyo...kahit lagariin natin
ulo ni armando,di natin makikita iniisip nya...
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:20:52 AM): hahaha! tama po sir
Yahoo! Messenger (6/23/2007 12:20:52 AM): myklgarcia has joined the conference.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:20:53 AM): Both emotional and physical...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:21:01 AM): Yes, emotional or physical. Two very opposite
things.
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:21:02 AM): both
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:21:02 AM): salamat po sir
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:21:16 AM): KAYA ANF UNANG BATAYAN NG
TOTOO AT HINDI TOTOO AY SARILI NATIN...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:21:42 AM): even if you know the person very well,,, what if binago
nya isip nya..extreme to what..you know..he/she'd think
nalaladok (voice): so… kung idedefine natin ang katutuhanan, ang katutuhanan o truth ay
base sa personal experience,
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:21:43 AM): yes ARMANDO.. .
Added by nalaladok: “Maaaring ang totoo sa’yo ay hindi totoo sa akin at ang totoo sa
akin ay maaaring hindi totoo sa’yo.”
myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:21:49 AM): Gud pm guys
myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:22:16 AM): Dianne thanks s invites
Yahoo! Messenger (6/23/2007 12:22:21 AM): michcabana has joined the conference.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:22:25 AM): Kaya mahalaga na alam natin kung
ano ang batayan antin sa tama at mali.totoo at hindi...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:22:37 AM): NGAYON...are we making sense so
far?
Nalaladok (voice): yes sir,
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:22:42 AM): yes sir!
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:22:43 AM): yep
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:22:43 AM): yes sir
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:22:47 AM): yes sir
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:22:50 AM): tnx mary jane
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:22:50 AM): yes,sir
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:22:52 AM): What if that person doesn't know that he delves into
your mind? How and when does he know when to change his feelings?
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:23:02 AM): Yes, Sir.
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:23:04 AM): yes
myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:23:09 AM): Sir ano po ang topic natin?
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:23:16 AM): Sir Yes Sir
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:23:17 AM): Yung morsality at truth, minsan we
just agree to the truth...
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:23:20 AM): yes wats the topic?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:23:40 AM): its difficult to establish absolute
truth...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:23:48 AM): hindi po ba ang tao ibat iba ang level ng
pain..both emotional at physical?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:23:52 AM): halimbawa sinabi ko...nakaupo ako.. .
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:23:56 AM): emotional /physical pain.. hoe to deal with it
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:23:56 AM): Mind reading, I think and feelings, Mich.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:24:00 AM): totoo o hindi
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:24:06 AM): hindi ko alam..
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:24:08 AM): totoo o hindi?
Nalaladok (voice): totoo sir,
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:24:12 AM): at hindi malalamn.
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:24:18 AM): malay ko
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:24:19 AM): hehe
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:24:22 AM): ako nakaupo
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:24:24 AM): kung sabihin kong nalkaupo
ako...totoo na?
nalaladok (voice): yes sir,
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:24:24 AM): hindi ko alam
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:24:26 AM): Maybe yes, maybe no, sir.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:24:30 AM): Kung niloloko kita?
Added by nalaladok: Sir what I mean here is that, I believe na nakaupo ka because you
are telling me, and that is because you are the person in autority, that’s why I believe na
nakaupo nga kayo. Isa pa, kahaba kayang oras ang pagchachat natin kaya maaring
nakaupo nga kayo.
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:24:39 AM): pwede
srmaristela (6/23/2007 12:24:46 AM): eh but sir i can take your word for it
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:24:47 AM): Alam nyo mga kapatid sa
pananampalataya...
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:24:52 AM): pedeng totoo pedeng nde
myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:24:55 AM): pwede sir
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:24:57 AM): tatanungin muna kita ng iba pa para may idea
po ko sir
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:24:59 AM): Don't believe anything you hear, only half of what
you see. I heard that.
myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:25:03 AM): mahirap mag computer ng nakatayo
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:25:03 AM): i think, kung ang batayan mo ng truth is to see
is to believe, No
srmaristela (6/23/2007 12:25:04 AM): sus...di na tayo grasshoppers
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:25:06 AM): yes sasha...
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:25:09 AM): uu nga hihi
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:25:24 AM): and that is the reality of life...
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:25:42 AM): sino po si sasha?
james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:25:43 AM):
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:25:45 AM): lahat ng alam nating totoo ay bstay sa
palagay
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:25:46 AM): sabi sa libro..wag maniniwala hanggat hindi
nakikita ang patunay
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:26:01 AM): Noridel...
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:26:13 AM): skeptical
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:26:14 AM): yes sir
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:26:17 AM): parang scientific reasoning
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:26:21 AM): Alin sa mga katoothanan daw ang
kakikitaan mo ng patunay...
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:26:21 AM): is it like to see is to believe?
myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:26:24 AM): @ ofw_in_upou: e paano naman yung concept of
God?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:26:40 AM): kailangan mo bang pumunta sa san
andres para makita kung nakaupo ako?
nalaladok (voice): sir malapit lang po ako sa san Andres,
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:26:44 AM): its a faith naman myk...
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:26:48 AM): do not conclude until you verified the
hyphothesis
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:26:51 AM): yes Noridel...
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:27:13 AM): and how do you verify hypothesis is to see facts?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:27:21 AM): Tao TAYO kasi...yun ang limitassyon
ng kakayahan nating mag-isip
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:27:21 AM): that would verify truth
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:27:22 AM): Yes
srmaristela (6/23/2007 12:27:26 AM): but i have the option of trusting you sir
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:27:58 AM): mich but sa dami ng kailangan nating
i-veruify, 99% of waht we think are ture are really unverifiable...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:28:00 AM): no sir...pero pag sinabi mo nakaupo ka at alam
ko namang nasa gitna ka ng dagat at wala kang kinakapitan...then masasabi ko di ka
nakaupo
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:28:21 AM): It depends on your basis of truth
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:28:21 AM): pilosopo na ata ako
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:28:24 AM): paano mo malalaman na nsaa gitna
ako ng dagat...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:28:33 AM): OOKEY...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:28:33 AM): sukatin
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:28:37 AM): LETS SUMMARIZE
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:28:40 AM): pero malabo yon
srmaristela (6/23/2007 12:28:48 AM): sukatin ang ano karen?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:28:51 AM): alin ang malabo sky/
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:28:52 AM): hmm.. i see how we can be bias.. kc nga dun sa
limitation na yun
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:28:53 AM): ahehehe...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:28:55 AM): ung dagat
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:29:05 AM): SUJMARY
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:29:08 AM): 99% unverifiable
diana karen cruz (6/23/2007 12:29:14 AM): mdami din
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:29:46 AM): so ano po kelangan natin madama at makita para
ma-convince kung totoo nga ang sinasabi ng isang tao
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:29:59 AM): cge po..summary
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:30:16 AM): game summary
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:30:23 AM): yung mga ndi natin maexplain minsan
tinatanggap na lang natin kc para sa tin yun ang tama....
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:30:25 AM): Kaya kailangan malinaw sa atin ang
batayan ng katotohanan,tama,mali, guapo at hindi...Sa sarili lamang natin ito
magkakaroon ng kahulugan
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:30:45 AM): ahh...in short..kanya kanyang interpretation
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:30:46 AM): We are not required to feel anything kasi kahit we
can feel, we are not sure of it.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:30:48 AM): Kahit anong payo ng iba, it will still
boil down to you in the end...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:31:03 AM) : Kaya sabi natin, magsimula sa
sarili...
Added by nalaladok: so it is like, “know thyself and everything will come unto they”, or
“the unexamined life is not worth living,”
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:31:08 AM): Yes and we have the power to choose & believe
into something, we also the reasoning power with our mind, kaya nga TAYO lang meron
nun
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:31:09 AM): makes sense?
nalaladok (voice): yes sir,
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:31:15 AM): Yep, to the person.
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:31:16 AM): iba iba din ang meaning nito sa bawat tao... iba
iba pananaw ng bawat isa
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:31:19 AM): yes sir...got it
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:31:21 AM): yes sir
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:31:24 AM): Yeas mich
mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:31:27 AM): yes sir...
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:31:31 AM): yes
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:31:40 AM): i agree
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:31:40 AM): Ngayon, having said that...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:31:42 AM): like bible..why it has many interpretation in
every religion..isa lang naman ang bible
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:31:52 AM): Affirmative, sir.
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:31:59 AM): tama po
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:32:03 AM): iba iba nga
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:32:05 AM): thats the purpose why God gave us the mind
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:32:08 AM): because different people are reading it
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:32:12 AM): Yep noridel...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:32:16 AM): yeah...got it
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:32:17 AM): although they are using the same text
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:32:29 AM): Sabi ng Kristiayano totoo sila dahil
nasusulat
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:32:30 AM): yet they interpret it differently
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:32:35 AM): pag binasa mo mga bible ng ibat ibang religion
makikitang magkakadugtong slang lahat
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:32:37 AM): sariling diskarte mo na
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:32:37 AM): People can't read minds. They can surmise but they
can't possible be sure.
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:32:43 AM): Correct ba ako sir?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:32:49 AM): sabi ng Muslim totoo sila dahil
nasusulat...
nalaladok (voice): smiling…
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:33:02 AM): e sino ang nagsulat?
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:33:04 AM): di kataka taka kung muslim at kristiyano
because they have their own ...but both christian...hmmn
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:33:08 AM): pag nag-away,barilan na lang...
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:33:23 AM): sir, naman.
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:33:28 AM): tao ang may gawa ng bible
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:33:38 AM): hehehee..di barilan sir...tagpasan ng ulo
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:33:41 AM): Yes armando...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:33:47 AM): Hindi ba tayo nasusulat?
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:34:02 AM): pde naman i edit cguro?,,,
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:34:06 AM): TEKA...may query si armando...
Added by nalaladok: Hinid ko matandaan yong query ko dito, pero ang sinasabi ko rito:
kung ang kakayahan ng tao na mag-isip ay limited ng space, meron ba itong tawag o
pangalan, ano ang tawag nito sa Philosopiya?
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:34:12 AM): naku..bakit ba tayo napunta sa bible hehe
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:34:16 AM): yes bro arman
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:34:35 AM): Ano daw yung kahulugan ng
"limitado tayo sa space...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:34:39 AM): Okey
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:34:43 AM): well PHILO kasi laging naiinterconnect se
religion
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:35:04 AM): Sa philosophy...may tinatawag na
problem of space and time
Nalaladok (voice): oh I see, dahil matter tayo,
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:35:07 AM): limitado sa space....medyo masikip sir
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:35:16 AM): madaming questions revolving around faith kc
e
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:35:30 AM): sabi nito...We can occupy only one
point in space and time...
Nalaladok (voice): ganun din ang turo ng science ah,
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:35:31 AM): as humans we have so many great powers like the
mind pero limited or else edi sana tayo na gumawa ng earth diba
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:35:37 AM): eto nga
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:35:44 AM): And hirap pag-usapan ng religion! We will go
nowhere!
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:36:02 AM): puwede bat tyong in two places at
thesame time...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:36:14 AM): problema nito...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:36:14 AM): no no sir
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:36:15 AM): nope
srmaristela (6/23/2007 12:36:15 AM): no can do po sir...
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:36:21 AM): no
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:36:22 AM): yea we humans cannot be in two places at
once....
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:36:26 AM): pde ..pero hindi buo..
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:36:28 AM): Things are simultaneously
happening...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:36:30 AM): kalahati..
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:36:34 AM): Spiritually, like supernaturally, I believe yes.
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:36:34 AM): we can do a lot things at the same time like multi
task
mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:36:42 AM): physically we cannot
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:36:44 AM): mind pwd..but physical...no
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:36:55 AM): yes, spiritual how?
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:36:57 AM): but how come theres astral projection?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:37:07 AM): paano natin malalamna yung
nangyayari kung hindi natin nakikita o naririnig...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:37:13 AM): Yes, mentally.
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:37:30 AM): astral projection..is it verified?
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:37:37 AM): Yes Sahi! Astral projection!
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:37:40 AM): ganun tayo ka limitado...nasa likod
mo nga, di mo alam kung nao ang nagyayari eh...
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:37:43 AM): a person can always invent to make evryone else
believe
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:37:47 AM): paano sa labas ng kuwarto...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:37:53 AM): paano sa iraq...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:37:54 AM): a...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:38:00 AM): Shai.
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:38:00 AM): Yes.
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:38:04 AM): by psychics.... but by ordinary people... i dont
think so
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:38:12 AM): nasa tao na lang kung maniniwala o nde again a
choice
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:38:20 AM): Kay sinasabi na limitado andg pag-
iisip natin ng sitwasyong ito...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:38:40 AM): maya kinalaman ito sa pinag-uusapna
natin tungkol sa katotohanan...
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:39:06 AM): can you say po ba na you always have a
choice?
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:39:17 AM): hanggang saan po ba mapapatunayan ang
katotohanan
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:39:24 AM): yes, pros and cons
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:39:29 AM): Ibig sabihin...halos 99% ng alam
nating lkatotohanan ay batay lamang sa paniniwalang totoo ito...hindi necessarily dahil
talagang totoo ito...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:39:54 AM): Si Galman ang pumatay kay ninoy.
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:39:56 AM): There is no I don't have a choice.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:40:00 AM): Nagkadayaan sa mindanao
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:40:03 AM): I believe in that sir.
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:40:03 AM): gano po kalakas yung 1% sir
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:40:11 AM): tumatae si GMA ngayon.. .
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:40:29 AM): me dayaan sa mindanao..if im inthe
opposittion..maniniwala ako..pag sa admin ako..of course hindi
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:40:40 AM): Mahina ,Noridel
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:40:45 AM): bias nga
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:40:58 AM): mahina nga sir dahil bias talaga yun..
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:41:06 AM): That's why its difficult to arrogate
upon ourselves that we know the truth...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:41:07 AM): pero un madalas mangyari sa mga tao
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:41:09 AM): yes one sided
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:41:22 AM): ONLY THET WE BELIEVE IT TO
BE TRU...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:41:31 AM): yes..
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:41:31 AM): but if we think outside the box
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:41:32 AM): we always want others to believe what we want
them to believe
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:41:43 AM): we..from within
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:41:44 AM): EVEN IF WE THINK OUTSIDE
THE BOX...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:41:53 AM): Then it would be very difficult for anyone to know
the TRUE TRUTH!!!
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:41:59 AM): First premise yon.. .
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:42:15 AM): Sabi nga ng kanta...Tanging Diyos
Lamang ang Nakakaalam...
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:42:16 AM): we tend to lean towards the part that is
favorable to us
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:42:22 AM): i agree, trying to convince evryone ur with when
in fact they dont think the same way
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:42:25 AM): sometimes, shai...
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:42:33 AM): kaya wag muna maniniwala sa bawat
salita...kumpirmahin muna
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:42:40 AM): or to the greater good
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:42:45 AM): Yes, Tony. And yet, that is not possible.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:42:54 AM): NOW ...anong kinalaman nito sa
pagtaas ng bilihin...sa nangyayari sa mundo...
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:43:00 AM): yep francy, thats why we have Wars
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Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:43:15 AM): YEp anthony...
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:43:19 AM): Wow. I'm starting to doubt everything from now on.
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:43:22 AM): One Philosospher Said...
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:43:42 AM): thats why US invaded Iraq
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:43:42 AM): Gosh.
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:43:44 AM): pagtaas ng bilihin?lagi ng pagtaas ng langis sa
gulf ang dahilan nila sir...hindi ito totoo lagi
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:43:47 AM): All the problems in this world can be
reduced to a problem of language...
Added by nalaladok: sir ano pong ibig sabihin ng “Problem of Language,” ito ba ay
problem sa “terminology” na ginagamit o problem sa pag-unawa sa buhay?
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:44:10 AM): same wave?
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:44:18 AM): TEKA...so far malinaw?
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:44:29 AM): yes
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:44:32 AM): can u say miscommunication...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:44:33 AM): yes..
mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:44:35 AM): yes
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:44:36 AM): US believes that Saddam has WMD, while Iraq
believes that they dont have it
mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:44:36 AM): yes
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:44:40 AM): malinaw sir na hindi dapat maniwala...hanggat
walang pruweba
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Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:44:51 AM): THE FOUNDATION OF
KNOWLEDGE IS INDIVIDUAL BELIEF...
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:44:58 AM): yet when US Invaded Iraq, there is nothing
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:44:59 AM): pero hindi lahat may evidence
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:45:00 AM): Yes. But perspective-wise, a little bleak.
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:45:07 AM): and yun nga...kanya kanyang paniwala...
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:45:10 AM): naniwala sila sa kung anong alam nilang tama
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:45:16 AM): yes
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:45:23 AM): Common knowledge is when people
talk and agree to what they believe...
nalaladok (6/23/2007 12:45:37 AM): copy sir,
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:45:38 AM): yes
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:45:41 AM): yes sky...
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:45:42 AM): game language..
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:45:45 AM): and even made others believe it as well, but in
the end, opinion lang nila un
Pauline Arquelada (6/23/2007 12:45:45 AM): agree
michcabana (6/23/2007 12:45:53 AM): communication
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:45:56 AM): second emotion
shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:45:56 AM): its a mind game
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:45:59 AM): language game pla
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:46:04 AM): ahhhhh
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:46:17 AM): Language game...Ludwig
Wittgenstein...now what he says makes sense in this context.
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:46:28 AM): And what they believe may not be neccessarily
right.
francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:46:28 AM): Correct sir!
sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:46:31 AM): yes sir
ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:46:34 AM): so sinasabi nga...dapat tanungin mo muna ang
meaning ng word na sinasabi ng kausap mo or pano nya ginamit
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:46:36 AM): OKEY SNADALI ...

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:46:45 AM): Pag binasa nyo ang
libro...
Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:47:14 AM): May nakalagay doonbasis
of verifying knowledge calims...in plain language...ano ba talaga, kuya...

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:47:33 AM): dapat same ang paggamit natin ng


word...otherwise di tlaga magkakaintindihan..

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:47:51 AM): Kailangan i-contextualize


yon...kaya di ko muna pinapabasa ang libro...baka malito tayo..

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:48:27 AM): Ah. I've read some pages already, Sir.

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:48:29 AM): sir ano po ba yung sinasabi na dpat


pareho ang paggamit ng word...ayon sa libro

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:48:51 AM): Hey, Noridel, what you
just said is the very thesi of Wittgenstein nung sianbi nyang " The meaning of
a word is its use in a Lanugage gae"

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:49:00 AM): got it sir

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:49:25 AM): Anyway...

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:50:13 AM): Yung batayang pag-iisip


na ito ang lilinawin natin bukas bago tayo pumaloob sa libro o sa buhay...

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:50:29 AM): Are we still making


sense...?

nalaladok (voice): yes sir,

Pauline Arquelada (6/23/2007 12:50:34 AM): sir excuse me..few hours sleep
na lang ako for our study session, need to wake up early pa at taga sta rosa
ako

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:50:34 AM): yes sir..clear

shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:50:36 AM): yes sir..

mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:50:40 AM): opo

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:50:46 AM): OSYA...

mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:50:51 AM): got it sir

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:50:55 AM): TULOG MUNA TAYO...


shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:50:57 AM): im reading the msges

nalaladok (6/23/2007 12:51:00 AM):

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:51:07 AM): Yes. Sir

sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:51:12 AM): tulog na?

myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:51:13 AM): ser asan n po tayo?

shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:51:14 AM): ok...

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:51:15 AM): aga pa dito sir...just kidding...

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mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:51:20 AM): sir 9 to 12 po ba tom?

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:51:23 AM): S EE YOU TOMORROW,


anyway, you're only a day away...hehehe

myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:51:37 AM): tom meron sked?

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:51:43 AM): hayzzz...every friday lang ako...tsk tsk


tsk

james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:51:45 AM): 8 hours na lang

shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:51:45 AM): palma hall 404 9-12 ryt?

james20061220 (6/23/2007 12:51:46 AM): hehe

myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:51:53 AM): kala ko po sir wala tayo F2F

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:52:13 AM): Sir confirm lang po. 9-12pm tomorrow
Palma Hall $04

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:52:17 AM): 404

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:52:18 AM): e meron na eh...courtesy


of Jane...Thank you jane

myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:52:28 AM): ok po


mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:52:29 AM): sir ala pang official announcement
sa philo1

mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:52:49 AM): wala sya upcoming kasi sa pang-
fic lang yun

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:52:55 AM): Yes sir?

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:52:58 AM): basta andon tayo...kung


wala ang iba, nexr time...

mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:53:05 AM): sir sabi sabi updlc 10-12 daw

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:53:11 AM): Puwede humabol ng 10


am...

mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:53:16 AM): pero open naman ang palma hall
eh...

mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:53:26 AM): ok sir.thanks

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:53:28 AM): I will be present!

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:53:32 AM): sir...naka-video po ba kayo dun...baka


pwd post sa site hehehe..

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:53:49 AM): para naman parang naka-attend din


kami..kung pwd

nalaladok (6/23/2007 12:53:50 AM):

sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:53:50 AM): hi tek!

shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:54:08 AM): good night guys... see you all 2m

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:54:18 AM): low tek ako eh...kung may
magdala ng video...

mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:54:22 AM): see you all tom.

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:54:25 AM): Good night! Good night, classmates!


Goodnight Sir!

mdeguzman1017 (6/23/2007 12:54:38 AM): goodnight!

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:54:38 AM): thats alright sir..


sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:54:45 AM): Sir

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:54:48 AM): kahit boses nyo lang

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:54:53 AM): To everyone:

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:54:53 AM): Hehe...Wala lang...

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:54:57 AM): yeah..kahit voice record lang

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:54:59 AM): matutuwa na ako d2 sa Singapore

mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:55:03 AM): classmates paki kalat na lang
yung f2f sa iba nyo kaclose sa ou

nalaladok (6/23/2007 12:55:03 AM):

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:55:07 AM): Wala kayo dun bukas sir?

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:55:12 AM): GOOD NIGHT...SAVE


NYO CHAT...

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:55:14 AM): matutuwa na si Noridel

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:55:19 AM): ako din bro anthony..madinig man


lang natin sila

nalaladok (6/23/2007 12:55:23 AM): copy sir,

srmaristela (6/23/2007 12:55:24 AM): night sir...

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Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:55:30 AM): sana may magdalka ng


mp3 recorder...sino volunteer?

mary jane torres (6/23/2007 12:55:34 AM): goodnight sa lahat...byebye

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ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:55:46 AM): hmmmmn..anthony...malapti
ka..padala ka na

nalaladok (6/23/2007 12:55:48 AM):

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:55:53 AM): francy

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:55:53 AM): try natin sir...

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:55:58 AM): volunteer

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:56:01 AM): Oo nga...Singapore...

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:56:12 AM): nasa singapore ka eh...

michcabana (6/23/2007 12:56:20 AM): class tom 9-12 404 palma UPD pls
confirm?

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:56:26 AM): yehey...papadala si bro anthony..

sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:56:27 AM): yes yes

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:56:30 AM):

shai_camacho (6/23/2007 12:56:33 AM): hahaha! samahan mo nang


chocolates!

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:56:38 AM): wahahha

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:56:40 AM): naku po

sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:56:42 AM): 9-12 ph404 UPD

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:56:42 AM): sir post mo na address mo..hahaha

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:56:51 AM): loko ka noridel

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:57:00 AM): ahehehe...

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:57:01 AM): cge padala mo sa akin]

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francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:57:10 AM): Heeey, Tony! Wala nga akong mp# eh!
sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:57:11 AM): ako mg shship sa pinas

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:57:11 AM): Chocolates!!!!

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:57:11 AM): hehehe]

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:57:17 AM): malayo...

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:57:27 AM): Lapit lang yun!

Martin Hilario Mapolon (6/23/2007 12:57:31 AM): 88 Corporate Center

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:57:35 AM): yaan mo sir..pag nakauwi ako...next


year...

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:57:37 AM): Sir, router lang ang maibibigay ko

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:57:44 AM): pag uwi ko

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:57:47 AM): 88 corporate center...

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:57:51 AM): copy...

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:57:54 AM): Chocolates....chocolates...hehe, joke.

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:57:55 AM): MP3 na lang.

myklgarcia (6/23/2007 12:58:03 AM): cisco b yun?

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:58:08 AM): Goodbye na everyone! See you


tomorrow!

sirlancelot707 (6/23/2007 12:58:11 AM): D-link

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:58:17 AM): bye francy

francy_tc (6/23/2007 12:58:30 AM):

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sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:59:00 AM): dlink ..


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sky9ql (6/23/2007 12:59:01 AM): ^^

ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:59:11 AM): tayo na lang...

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ofw_in_upou (6/23/2007 12:59:24 AM): ano ba id ni bro arman

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