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STATEMENT OF MARGARIT1FLORES -JUNE 4, 2009
I.

Introduction

lvfy name is ivfargariio Fiores. I have testiped before this grand jury on a
of
prior occasions. I am giving this statement freelyfd voluntarily, pursuant to proth:r letters
with the United States Attorney's Offices for t e Eastern District of Wisconsin and the
Northern District of Illinois. I have read this st tement carefully and have been given an
opportunity to go over it with my attorney and t make changes. This statement is just a
summary and does not contain every detail I
about the drug trafficking activities
in which I have participated. If asked additional tuestions, I could provide more detail. As
with my previous statements and as I will discu s in greater detail later in this statement,
although no promises have been made to me rega ding my cooperation or the sentence I will
ultimately receive, I am cooperating with the gov rnment in the hope of receiving a reduced
sentence in a federal case where I have been indlcted on federal narcotics charges.
As I have testified previously, since apploximately 1998, my twin brother, Pedro
Flores (who I will generally refer to in this tatement as "Pedro"), and I have been
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perrorm onrerent roles, we are generally aware each other's activities an<1 we cooromate
our business together. Throughout this state ent, I will refer to our drug-trafficking
organization as the "Flores DTO." In terms ofo operation in Chicago, Illinois and the rest
of the United States, Pedro held the primary res onsibility. I was primarily responsible for
coordinating the receipt of drugs from our
of supply in Mexico. This statement wiii
talk about our drug trafficking in general, but will focus primarily on our interactions with
two of our primaty sources of supply, Joaquin
(who I know as "El Chapo"
or "Chapo Guzman"), and members of his orga ization, and Ismael Zambada-Garcia (who
I know as "El Mayo" or "Mayo Zambada"), an members of his organization.

cocaine in Chicago. By
approximately 1999, Pedro and I had expande our business and were selling wholesale
quantities of cocaine to a large customer base hroughout Chicago. From approximately
2000 through 2008, we steadily increased the vdlume of our business, which I will describe
later in detail. From 2006 through 2008, we wle coordinating, at its peak, the distribution
in Chicago to our customer base of approxima ly 1500 to 2000 kilograms of cocaine per
month. From approximately 2000 to 2007, ur Mexican sources of supply primarily
delivered cocaine to us in Chicago. Beginning i approximately late 2006, we expanded our
business and began also receiving cocaine in Mhico and Los Angeles. When we received
cocaine in place; other than Chic;go, this cocainf was generally
in tractor trailers

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with hidden compartments, or "traps," located inEe roof. These same trap compartments
were used to transport money from the sale of e cocaine. In addition to these tractor
trailers, we also used freight trains to transport ocaine. Although we had customers in
several cities. most of the time the cocaine that P dro and I distributed in the United States

in the Chicago area.

B.

Move to Mexico

In approxhTiatcl/' late 2003, I went to

that it would be better slay than go back to Chicag
Shortly thereafter, Pedro made a similar move an
Chicago, we made arrangements to continue selli

on vacation. Once I vvas there, I decided

and from that point on, I lived in Mexico.
joined me in Mexico. Before Pedro left
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continued to grow.
C.

Summary of the Structure ofthe

ores DTO

In
trafficking
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':ith
groups ot people. !he t1rst group was our soufes ot supply ot cocame anCI nerom m
Mexico. These individuals obtained large quantiti s of cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and other
narcotics in Mexico and we obtained large shipme1 ts of drugs from them that we in turn sold
in the United States. The second group was our " orkers" or "crew" in the United States,
individuals who, at our direction, took delivery
shipments of cocaine and heroin and
distributed those drugs to our customer base,
turn received, packaged and returned
large amounts of money to us in Mexico. These in ividuals worked at our direction, and we
paid them to provide these services to us. The th" d group was our wholesale customers in
the United States. Pedro and I maintained approxi ately 30 large customers for cocaine and
heroin in the United States in eight principal cities I Chicago, New York, Washington, D.C.,
Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, ald Los Angeles. We also had a large
wholesale customer in Vancouver, Canada. Whe we took delivery of a load of cocaine, on
almost all occasions we either took delivery in C icago, or took delivery elsewhere in the
United States and arranged to have the drugs tran ported to Chicago, where we distributed
the drugs to our customers. We maintained several warehouses and "stash houses" in
Chicago and other cities where our crew unloated shipments of drugs for delivery to
customers, and then in tum counted and package money from payments for those drugs.
Generally, we made deposits of money to our Me ican sources of in supply in Chicago or
Los Angeles for drugs that we received in the Uni ed States. I am aware that these deposits
were then transoorted to Mexico. hecause in mod instHnces. one of onr workers wm;lcl P"O
to stash houses. belonging to
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money was correct. For drugs that we received in Mexico, we generally made money
deposits in Mexico. Regardless of where we deposited the money, from my conversations
with our sources of supply, I am aware that the.
was ultimately transported to our
Mexica..11 sources of supply. ! understood that all the money deposited to our sources of
supply that was collected from our customers and
to .M:exico was provided to our
sources of supply in order to perpetuate our drug rraJmcKmlg

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Unknown ("Alfredo" a n d -

In approximately 2005, I met a man

Alfredo's last name. I was introduced to AI
already known him for several months. The
Guada!aj ara, Vlhile Alfredo was recovering from
a lifelong friend ofChapo's and that he is Chapo
from conversations with Alfredo that he
matters. On behalf of Chapa, on certain occas
cocaine from Colombia to Mexico in
from Colombia to
in submruines and
used to evade law enforcement and the miiitary
and facilitated the transportation of cocaine in

I know as "Alfredo." I do not know

by my brother Pedro. My brother had
time that I met him was in a hospital in
c surgery. Alfredo told me that hew as
s son Alfredo's godfather. I understood
Chapa with some of Chapa's logistical
Alfredo organized the transportation of
involved in the transportation of cocaine
moving cocaine across the open

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Shortly after I met Alfredo, I also met his wife I believe that name is the same as Alfredo's, however, I do
know what it is. I have been shown #6,
worked
with her husband in transporting
which is a photograph of both cocaine and cocaine proceeds. Together wi Alfredo handled the logistics of
transporting large shipments of bulk
from drug proceeds, including the
and payments made by Chapo
transportation of payments made to Chapo by his
to his sources of supply. In addition, Alfredo
exchanged money from the
currency of one nation to another.

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In late 2006 or early 2007, Pedro and I "'"'1-t .., r i into an agreement with Alfredo and
his wife to establish a series of companies
would allow us to more easily move
Pedro and I were moving almost all of
cocaine throughout the United States. At this
tl}e. cocaine that we distributed in semi -trucks and
with trap compartments in the roof
\Vhile this system worked very well for us, we
to have a back-up plan or insurance
policy to supplement the trucks. Alfredo had
ly told Pedro and I that he was
involved with a train company in the 1990's, as
as early 2000's, with a person that I
knew as . Due to Alfredo's prior
in dealing with the trains, Pedro and
I thought that he would be a good person to
regarding our idea to branch out into
train transportation. Pedro and I decided to invest
$600,000 with Alfredo and
company. We understood that the
to set up an importing business and a
companies would be legitimate and would
import and sell goods; however; the real
purpose for these companies was to serve as a
that would allow us to transport cocaine
by train.
Pedro and I told Alfredo that we were

to invest money and wished to use the

to be responsible for running the
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a furniture importation company. We
agreed that, in addition to providing the $600,000 start up money, t.l:tat we would also pay
Alfredo and a fee each time we used the . On average, we paid Alfredo and
approximately $1000 per kilogram of
e that we moved by train. While Pedro
and I did not participate directly in making deci
for the businesses, Alfredo and would occasionally ask us for our advi.c e and
let us know what
on with the
companies. After the
was started we
ed that Alfredo and had hired a
man they referred to as
Pedro and I
knew three brothers who participated
in setting up the companies.
was - While I met all three
brothers at one point, I
I have been shown Exhibit #7, which
is a photograph o f
brothers were in charge of loading and
unloading the trains at the warehouses near the
lines that Alfredo andhad set up.
Once this operation was up and running, we
using it to transport cocaine from Los
load that we moved was in late 2007.
Angeles to Chicago in the walls of rail cars. The
In approximately October or November 08, Pedro and I arranged to have 200
kilograms of cocaine transported from Los
to Chkago using the train system that
we set up with Alfredo and On
November 3, 2008, Alfredo,and others came to visit Pedro and I at
' s house in Guadalajara. While Alfredo
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this conversation by placing a digital recording device in m5' pocket. I have had the
opportunity to listen the recordings contained on a CD labeled "Recorded
I have
initialed the. exhibit sticker. On this CD are true an
recordings that Pedro
and I made, including a conversation that Alfre o, Pedro, and I had on
approximately November 3, 2008. I also recorde a portion of this conversation as well on
a cell phone.
At the time that Alfredo first came to my ouse, the only cocaine that I was aware
was in transit in the train was the 200 kilograms be onging to Pedro and I. However, during
our conversation, Alfredo informed me that he had placed an additional76 kilograms of his
and me that he was running very
own cocaine into the same train car. Alfredo
short on money and asked if we would be willing t purchase these 76 kilograms. I told him
that we would only purchase the cocaine if we cou d agree to a price that would allow Pedro
and me to make enough of a profit from the cocai e to make it worth taking on the risk of

Pedro and I agreed to purchase the load of76 kilos f cocaine for approximately $2,166,000,
which worked out to $28,500 per kilo. Approxim ely one week later, the train carrying the
cocaine arrived at Alfredo's warehouse in Chicag_[ I sent my workers to provide Alfredo's

Once the train arrived in Chicago, Alfredo's worke s loaded the t-vfurano and
called Pedro to tell him that the kilos were ready to e picked up. Pedro and I then called our
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During the same conversation on approxim tely November 3, Alfredo also explained
to Pedro and me the specifics ofhow Chapa's airpl ne operation worked to transport cocaine
from Central and South America to Mexico. This lwas not the first time that Alfredo talked
to us about the airplane. Essentially, Alfredo
that Chapo had multiple 74 7 aircraft
that he used for this purpose. Alfredo explained at the 747s were cargo planes with no
seats in the body of the aircraft. Chapo would arr nge to have a shipment of clothing sent
to Central or South America as oart of a humanita ian aid oroiect. Once the olanes landed
in Central or South America,
clothing ".vas
a.;d ;p to 13 tons of cocaine was
The planes would land at Mexico City
loaded onto the plane for the return trip to
International Airport and Chapo would then use h s contacts to have the cocaine offloaded
from the planes and get the cocaine out of the airp rt. Alfredo explained specifically about
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In addition to her involvement in the train

transportation of bulk currency from Chicago
approximately 3 to 7 percent of the money
would transport money safely from one location
know that she was aware that the money
sales of drugs and that was transporting
conspiracy in which we were all involved. We
system approximately dozens oftimes. The
from shipments of approximately $100,000 up to
that she transported the money by both cars and
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Los Angeles to Mexico. For a fee of
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she transported was proceeds from the
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dollars. told me
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Narcotics Trafficking with the Chapo

A.

Means and Methods ofNarcotics

Mayo Zambada Cartels

n and Mayo Zambada Cartels

actions with the Chapo Guzman and

1v1ayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicente

Zambada, Alfredillo, and others, beginning with our face to face meetings in May 2005,
Pedro and I agreed with Chapa and Mayo and
lieutenants that they would supply Pedro
and me with cocaine in the United States and,
with heroin. Vlhile it would V&J' from
transaction to transaction, we agreed that Chapa
Mayo would be "'responsible" for the
cocaine until it arrived in a certain location, and
Pedro and I would be "responsible'' for
in the United States. In general, in our
it from that location until it was sold to our
dealings with both Chapo and Mayo, we
responsible for the cocaine in Chicago
(although, starting in early 2008, we also occas
took possession of the cocaine in Los
Angeles and then transported it to Chicago).
and Mayo bore the responsibility for
border. Due to the fact that we generally
having the cocaine or heroin cross the U.S.
took receipt of narcotics in the United States, the
er in which Chapo and Mayo crossed
the narcotics into the United States was not part of our general dealings with Chapa and
or Mayo or I would be ''responsible"
Mayo and not of our concern. When I say that
for the cocaine, what I mean is that when Chapa Mayo was responsible for the cocaine,
if somethin!!: haooened to it. such as a theft or a
bv law enforcement. Pedro and I
would not have to pay for the cocaine. When
and I were responsible for the cocaine,
we would have to pay Chapo or Mayo regardless whether we actually sold the cocaine to
was responsible for the cocaine
our customers or lost it in some way. Essentially,
at any given point bore the risk of losing the
The location used to determine who
would be responsible for the cocaine, was also
to determine the price of the cocaine.
Cocaine, and all drugs, essentially have a
value that heavily depends on the
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geographic location. For example, a kilogram
may have a wholesale value of
$18,000 in Guadalajara, Mexico, but that same kil gram of cocaine could have a wholesale
market value of $30,000 in Chicago. Unlike our lationship with ABL, which I discussed
previously, in which 've generally acquired t..1J.e cocfine in Mexico and bore responsibility for
its tra11sportation across the border, Chapo and
generally supplied us with cocaine in
Chicago and Los Angeles, and thus we paid a hig er price.
Chapo, Mayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicen e, Alfredillo, and others used a similar
system when transporting payment for the shipme ts of cocaine and heroin. As I previously
discussed, when Pedro and I sold cocaine to our cuhomers in the United States, we collected
payment in form of U.S. Currency. We then cololidated that currency, packaged it, and
transported it in bulk back to our sources of sup ly in Mexico. Chapo, Mayo, Juancho,
Olivares, Vicente, Alfredillo and I agreed thatPedr and I would deliver payment for cocaine
loads in the form of bulk currency, which we enerally transferred to their couriers in
Chicago and Los
... I am-aware.that
was delivered to safe ho.. uses
belonging to Chapo and Mayo's organization and en transported
Chapo and Mayo
to Mexico,
through their transportation networks. I am aware hat these deposits
because in most instances, one of our workers wo ld go to stash houses belonging to Chapo
and Mavo's onmnizations in Mexico to verifv t M the count of the monev was correct.
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I understood that all of the money deposited to our ources of supply that was collected from
our customers and transported to Mexico was p ovided to Chapo and Mayo in order to
perpetuate our drug trafficking activities.
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During the course of our business
with Chapo and Mayo, I became aware
of many of their respective organizations' mean and methods of importing cocaine to
Mexico from Colombia, and then further exportin that cocaine from Mexico to the United
States. I learned of these means and methods om conversations with Chapo, Mayo,
Juancho, Olivares, Vicente Zambada and Alfrbdillo, and in certain instances, from
investments that my brother and I made in loads
Chapa's and Mayo's organization. It
was fairly typical that my brother and I would e informed of the progress of cocaine
shipments from Colombia to Mexico and the met ods that the organizations were using to
transport those shipments. Pedro and I often ha alreadv acreed to ourchase significant

many instances, we would be invited to inspect I ge shipments of cocaine upon its arrival
in Mexico, to inspect the quality and select portio s that we wished to buy.
Among other methods, I am personallyj aware that Chapo, Mayo, and their
organizations used 74 7 cargo planes to import to1-quantities of cocaine from Central and
South America to Mexico. I am also aware that C apo, Mayo, and their organizations used
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trap compartments, container ships,

smaller airplanes, submarines, tractor trailers
onal automobiles to transport cocaine,
fishing vessels, go-fast boats, buses, trains, and
and then from Mexico into the United
first from Central and South America to Mexi
States. I am also aware that Chapo an.d Mayo Iused a nenvork of tunnels to transport
narcotics into the United States.
I am also personally aware of many other means and methods used by Chapo and
Mayo's organization in order to secure the safe
sage of drugs from Colombia, through
Mexico, and into the United States.

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authorities or stolen, all of this cocaine was

io our customers. In the spring of
2008, I began the process of my cooperation
have been cooperating ever since. In
addition, although I am not cooperating in
for any benefits received, the federal
government has provided some assistance in
my family from Mexico to the United
States.
no
have been made 1 to me regarding my cooperation, I am
in a tederal case where I have been
cooperatmg m hopes or receivmg a reduced
indicted on federal narcotics charges. With
assistance from the DEA and U.S.
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Attorney's Office, Pedro and I moved our wives, t r children, our brother and his wife and
children, our two sisters and their children, our fat er, our mother, and the mother of two of
my children. I knew that once the people I ha e talked about today found out I was
c.ooperating, they would try to kill me and my familt . As far as I k_now, nobody knows where
my family is living a..!d r ru1i being kept in protecf.ve custody.
This statement is an accurate and truthful s mary to the best of my recollection. It
does not describe everything that I know about th events described or other events that are
not described.

Signed:

Dated: June 4, 2009

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STATEMENT OF PEDRO tLORES -JUNE 4, 2009

I.

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My name IS l'earo t Jores. 1 nave

oerore rms grana JUry on a numoer ot
occasions. I am giving this statement freely
pursuant.to proffer letters with
the United States Attorney's Offices for the Ea tern District of Wisconsin and the Northern
District of Illinois. I have read this statement c refully and have been given an opportunity
to go over it with my attorney and to make ch gcs. This statement is just a summary and
does not contain every detail I remember about the drug trafficking activities in which I have
participated. If asked additional questions, I
provide more detail. As with my previous
statements and as I will discuss in greater detail later in this statement, although no promises
have been made to me regarding my cooperati n or the sentence I will ultimately receive, I
am cooperating with the government in the hop of receiving a reduced sentence in a federal
case where I have been indicted on federal narbotics charges.
As I have testified previously, since
1998, my twin brother, Margarita
Flores (who I will generally refer to in this tatement as "Margarita"), and I have been
the
of
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perform different roles, we are generally awarlof each other's activities and we coordinate
our business together. Throughout this stat ment, I will refer to our drug-trafficking
organization as the "Flores DTO." In terms of ur operation in Chicago, Illinois and. th.e rest
of the United States, I held the primary respons'bility. Margarito was primarily responsible
for coordinating the receipt of drugs from our
of supply in Mexico. This statement
will focus primarily on our interactions
will talk about our drug trafficking in
with two of our primary sources of supply, J aquin Guzman-Loera (who I know as "El
Chapo" or "Chapo Guzman"), and members of is organization, and Ismael Zambada-Garcia
(who I know as "el Mayo" or "Mayo Zambad '),and members of his organization.

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cocaine in Chicago. By
approximately 1999, Margarito and I had exp ded our business and were selling wholesale
quantities of cocaine to a large customer bas throughout Chicago. From approximately
2000 through 2008. we steadilv increased the vblume of our business. which I will describe
later in deUil.
2006
2008, we wl:re coordinating, at peak, the d.istribution
in Chicago to our customer base of approxim tely 1500 to 2000 kilograms of cocaine per
month. From approximately 2000 to 2007, our Mexican sources of supply primarily
delivered cocaine to us in Chicago. Beginning n approximately late 2006, we expanded our
business and

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with hidden compartments, or "traps,"

the roof. These same trap compartments
were used to transport money from the sale f the cocaine. In addition to these tractor
trailers, we also used freight trains to transpo cocaine. Although we had customers in
several cities. most of the cocaine that Margarit and I distributed in the United States at one

Chicago area.
B.

Move to Mexico

began to fear that I would soon be arrested o narcotics trafficking charges and I made a
similar move to join Margarito in Mexico. On e I arrived in Mexico, Margarito helped me

up a drug distribution and money collection n twork allowing us to operate from Mexico.
As Margarito and I continued to take delivery of and distribute cocaine, our organization
continued to grow.
.
C.

Summary of the Structure

Flores DTO

In running our narcotics trafficking

we dealt, broadly speaking, with three
groups of people. The first group was our urces of supply of cocaine and heroin in
l.arge
ities of
narcoucs m JVleXICO ana we omameo 1arge smpiJlems or urugs rrom tm:m mat we mtum
in the United States. The second group was of "workers" or "crew" in the United States,
individuals who, at our direction, took deliver.y flarge shipments of cocaine and heroin and
distributed those drugs to our customer base, nd in turn received, packaged and returned
large amounts of money to us in Mexico. Thes individuals worked at our direction, and we
paid them to provide these services to us. The
group was our wholesale customers in
the United States. Margarito and I maintained 1proximately 30 large customers for cocaine
and heroin in the United States in eight princi a! cities: Chicago, New York, Washington,
D.C., Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Columbus, De oit, and Los Angeles. We also had a large
wholesale customer in Vancouver, Canada. W en we took delivery of a load of cocaine, on
almost all occasions we either took delivery irl Chicago, or took delivery elsewhere in the
United States and arranged to have the drugs
to Chicago, where we distributed
the drugs to our customers. We maintained several warehouses and "stash houses" in
Chicago and other cities where our crew un oaded shipments of drugs for delivery to
customers, and then in tum counted and pack ged money from payments for those drugs.
Generallv. we made deoosits ofmonev to our Mexican sources of in sunnlv in Chica!w or
Los
for drugs that we received in the inited States. I am aware"th;t these de;osits

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were then transported to Mexico, because in

instances, one of our workers would go
to stash houses belonging to our sources of
in Mexico to verify that the count of the
money was correct. For drugs that we
in Mexico, we generally made money
deposits in Mexico. Regardless of where we ..
the money, from my conversations
with our sources of supply, I am aware that
money was ultimately transported to our
Mexican sources of supply. I understood that of the money deposited to our sources of
supply that was collected from our customers
transported to Mexico was provided to our
trafficking activities.
sources of supply in order to perpetuate our

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2.

Unknown ("Alfredo" and -

- s

In approximately 2005, I met a man

1 know as Alfredo. I do not know Alfredo's
last name. I was introduced to Alfredo by a
that I know as
at a car dealership in Guadalajara. I do not
real name.
Chapo as a bodyguard and also performs
tasks. When
introduced me to
friend of Chapa's and was godfather to
Alfredo, Alfredo told me that he was a liJ...
Chapa's son Alfredillo. Alfredo told me that handled logistics for Chapa. Over time, I
learned from Alfredo that he oversaw the
on of cocaine for Chapa in several
the transportation of cocaine from
different ways. On behalf of Chapa, Alfredo
Colombia to Mexico in airplanes; was i
in the transportation of cocaine from
Colombia to Mexico in some sort of
used to evade law enforcement and the
military when moving cocaine across the
ocean; and facilitated the transportation of
cocaine in rail cars.
HJUI::.

Shortly after I met Alfredo, I also met

's last
wife . I believe that name is the same as Alfredo's, however, I do
know what it is. I have been shown Exhibit
,,..... ,)".,.,., closely with her husband in transporting
#6, which is a photograph of.
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both cocaine and cocaine proceeds. Together

transporting large shipments of bulk
transportation of payments made to Chapo by
to his sources of supply. In addition,
currency of one nation to another.

Alfredo handled the logistics of

drug proceeds, including the
customers and payments made by Chapo
and exchanged money from the
-

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I entered into an agreement with Alfredo

In late 2006 or early 2007, Margarita
and his wife to establish a series of
panies that would allow us to more easily
move cocaine throughout the United States. t this point, Margarita and I were moving
almost all of the cocaine that we distri
in semi-trucks and trailers with trap
compartments in the roof. 'While this system
very well for us, we wanted to have a
back-up plan or insurance policy to suppl ...lu'f'u the trucks. Alfredo had previously told
company in the 1990's with a person that
Margarita and I that he \Vas involved with a
I knew a s - . Due to Alfredo's prior
in dealing with the trains, Margarita
and I thought that he would be a good person approach regarding our idea to branch out
into train transportation. Margarito and I dec
to invest approximately $600,000 with
Alfredo and to set up an importing
and a logistics company. We understood
that the companies would be legitimate and
actually import and sell goods; however,
the real purpose for these companies was to
as a front that would allow us to transport
cocaine by train.
Margarita and I told Alfredo that we
willing to invest money and wished to use
not want to be responsible for running the
the trains to transport our cocaine, but we
businesses, so we allowed Alfredo and
decide what kind of companies to create.
We later learned that they decided to ...........
... a furniture importation company. We
agreed that, in addition to providing the $600,
in start up money, that we would also pay
Alfredo and a fee each time we used
train. On average, we paid Alfredo and
approximately $1000 per kilogram
cocaine that we moved by train. While
Margarito and I did not participate directly in
decisions for the businesses, Alfredo
and would occasionally ask us for our
and would let us know what was going
on with the companies. After the company
started we learned that Alfredo
had hired a man they referred to
I met this man several times, but I do not
his name. Margarita and I also knew three
who participated in setting up the
companies. The brothers' last name
While I met all three brothers at one point,
I knew
the best. I have been
Exhibit #7, which is a photograph of
brothers were in
ofloading and unloading the trains at
the warehouses near the train lines that AI
had set up. Once this operation
was up and running, we began using it to
cocaine from Los Angeles to Chicago in
the walls of rail cars. The first load that we
was in late 2007.
In approximateiy October or N

. 08, Margarita and I arranged to have 200

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kilograms of cocaine transported from Los

les to Chicago using the train system that
we set up with Alfredo and . On "'"''"''",.,'"krn
November 3, 2008, Alfredo, and others came to visit Margarita
at my house in Guadalajara. While Alfredo
was at my house, we discussed many things,
the load of cocaine that we were
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cocaine, which Alfredo organized, and an
load of cocaine Chapo was bringing
from Colombia in a submarine that Alfredo,
and I had all invested in. I recorded
this conversation by placing a digital
device in my pocket. I have had the
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Margarita and I
including a true and
recording of the conversation that
Alfredo,
Margarita, and I
on approximately November 3, 2008. I am
also aware that Margarita recorded a portion this conversation as well on a cell phone.

Approximately one week later, the train

in Chicago. I sent my workers to provide AI
ito place the 200 kilos of cocaine that already b
kilos that we had agreed to purchase from
Alfredo's workers loaded the Murano and
the kilos were ready to be picked up.
told him to meet Alfredo's workers at a ..." ....
time later, I talked to Cesar, who confirmed

house, the only cocaine that I was aware

belonging to Margarita and I. However,
he had placed an additional 76 kilograms
fredo told Margarita and me that he was
would be willing to purchase these 76
the cocaine if we cou1d agree to a price
of a profit from the cocaine to make it
asked Margarito and me what the
e told him that, at that time, it was between
I agreed to purchase the load of76 kilos
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the cocaine arrived at Alfredo's warehouse
's workers with a Nissan Murano in which
onged to Margarita and I, as well as the 76
Once the train arrived in Chicago,
called Margarita to tell him that
called our worker Cesar Perez and
located near 159th Street. A short
he picked up the 276 kilos.

During the same conversation on

to Margarito and me the specifics of how
cocaine from Central and South America to
talked to us about the airplane. Essentially,
aircraft that he used for this purpose. Alfredo
no seats in the body of the aircraft. Chapo
to Central or South America as part of a

November 3, Alfredo also explained

's airplane operation worked to transport
This was not the first time that Alfredo
explained that Chapo had multiple 747
lained that the 74 7s were cargo planes with
arn:mge to have a shipment of clothing sent
aid project. Once the planes landed

was in transit in the train was the 200

during our conversation, Alfredo informed me
of his own cocaine into the same train car.
running very short on money and asked if
kilograms. I told him that we would only
that would allow Margarita and me to make
worth taking on the risk of the extra kilos.
wholesale value of cocaine was in Chicago.
$30,000 and $30,500. Eventually, Margarita
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I
in Central or South America, the clothing wasiffloaded and up to 13 tons of cocaine was
loaded onto the plane for the return trip to Me ico. The planes would land at Mexico City
International Airport and Chapo would then u his contacts to have the cocaine offloaded
from the planes and get the cocaine out of the 'rport. Alfredo explained specifically about
the last few trips with the p!a..11e..Alfredo told " about occasions in whic.h he organized for
Chapo trips bringing back 1700, 7000, and 12, 00 kilos of cocaine.
In addition to. her involvement in the trai companies,also was involved in the
transportation of bulk currency from Chicago or Los
to Mexico. For a fee of
approximately 3 to 7 percent of the money tr nsported, would guarantee that she
would transport money safely from one locati n to another. From my conversations with
I know that she was aware that the rnone that she transported was proceeds from the
was transportin the money in order
the drug
sales of drugs and that conspiracy in which we were all involved. We m ved money through s transportation
system approximately dozens of times. The mo ey that she transported on our behalf ranged
from shipments of approximately $100,000 up o several millions dollars. - told me
that she transported the money by both cars an planes. When large sums of money were
being transported,
use private planes to move the money.

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Among other methods, I am

y aware that Chapo, Mayo, and their
organizations used 747 cargo planes to ........",...t ton-quantities of cocaine from Central and
South America to Mexico. I am also aware
Chapo, Mayo, and their organizations used
smaller airplanes, submarines, tractor
with trap compartments, container ships,
fishing vessels, go-fast boats, buses, trains,
personal automobiles to transport cocaine,
first from Central and South A_merica to
ico; and then from Mexico into the United
States.

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vi.

Closing Remarks

In total, since 1998, Margarito and I

responsible for the distribution ofthousands
ofkilograms of cocaine from Chicago and ..:P,lvn,prp supplied to us by our sources of supply
in Mexico. Other than the few shipments
cocaine and heroin that were seized by the
authorities or stolen, all ofthis cocaine was
'buted to our customers. Tn the spring of
2008, I realized that I vvould not be able to
t"lis kind of a life forever, I began the
process of my cooperation and have been
ever since. Although no promises
have been made to me regarding my
I am cooperating in hopes of receiving a
e been indicted on federal n arcotics charges.
reduced sentence in a federal case where I
............."' for any benefits received, the federal
In addition, altlwugh I am not cooperating
government has provided some assistance in ocating my family from M:exico to the United
States. With some assistance from the DEA
U.S. Attorney's Office, Margarito and I
moved our wives, our children, our brother
his wife and children, our two sisters and
their children, our father, our mother, and
mother of two of my children. I knew that
once the people I have talked about today
out I was cooperating, they would trj to kill
me and my famiiy. As far as I know, no
knows where my famiiy is living and I am
being kept in protective custody.

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This statement is an accurate and truthful summary to the best of my recollection. It

does not describe everything that I know about the events described or other events that are
not described.

Signed:

Pedro Flores

Dated: June 4, 2009

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[BACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS AND U/I CONVERSATION]

CI 2:

Have a seat.

CI 2:

[U/I]... Have a seat here.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]... So he wants it the same as his. Then, it would be the same. It would
be the same. Because [U/I] the difference.

CI:

But, you know what? That I still don't see the difference with mine.

ALFREDO:

There was more left, a little bit more for you [U/I] that, thats all.

CI:

Yeah, it will be better, that way it won't come here. Thats the best thing he
could do.

ALFREDO:

Because, if not [U/I].

CI:

It's the same.

ALFREDO:

It stayed the same.

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

He probably has about ten [10] people who receive [U/I], right?

CI 2:

[U/I]... You know what? Fuck. ..

CI:

You know I can't send it. If you want to ask him, and see if he can send it
[U/I]?

ALFREDO:

Yeah, he called me. [U/I] was arriving from the airport, I told him [U/I],
call them and tell them [U/I] with them. I was getting off the plane.

CI:

I remember sometimes he calls when we're busy and he says, "quick!"

ALFREDO:

Yeah, that's how he is.

CI:

Listen, and, where should we pick them up?

ALFREDO:

Huh?
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CI:

Where should we pick them up?

ALFREDO:

The stuff?

CI:

Yeah.

ALFREDO:

Not this week but the next.

CI:

I thought you had already told me [U/I].

ALFREDO:

They just left yesterday.

CI:

No, the man's. I thought when you said that you had some news, I thought
they were ready.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]... most likely only [U/I] first.

CI:

Honestly, and they keep coming. They have work.

ALFREDO:

Huh?

CI 2:

I'm telling you, they had been calling me.

CI:

[U/I] work.

CI 2:

They gave me they gave me fivefive hundred [500] the other

dayhow long ago was it...?. what day?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]... When it's going to arrive ...

CI 2:

Yeah, but Im missing a number. See if I can remember. [ASIDE: Pete,

you don't remember?]

CI:

Huh?

ALFREDO:

All I heard was he was going to give us a surprise. Thats all I heard over
a week ago.

CI:

He called

CI 2:

[U/I], right, man?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

[Laughs]

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

He called [U/I], he said

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CI 2:

"The surprise. Come over here. All of you. Come over here, all of you."

ALFREDO:

[I/I].

CI:

He said, like I told you that he right?, that he needed the number. We
gave it to him and he hasn't, he hasnt called.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]you guys?

CI:

No, no, no. I don't know what he wanted. He said that, that Alfredillo has
a, a Murcielago [Bat], right? A Lamborghini. What color?

ALFREDO:

Oh, yeah, I saw it. Remember I told you Id seen a fucking car outside.
[U/I]. Blackit looked black to me. It has to be either black or yellow,
there arent any other colors.

CI:

No, yeah, theres a shitload of colors.

ALFREDO:

And white, white.

CI:

White, blue... But I.., he was asking me for a white one.

ALFREDO:

We'll leave at around eleven thirty [11:30]?

CI:

He was asking me for a white one.

CI 2

But that's kind of fucked up...

ALFREDO:

The one that El Caminante had was yellow.

CI:

Yeah, he told me that El Caminantes was a Porsche GT that he also had

there. The one they have at Porsche. The G.T., that one, the one thats five
hundred [500] bucks.

CI 2

Its fucking cool. Yeah, yeah.

ALFREDO:

Well, I think Alex also had, from, from Mana, when they opened the De
Santos, it was a fucking Porsche like that one. Alex, the, the drummer from
Mana, when he opened his restaurant here, the De Santos, he also had a
fucking Porsche like that one. Fucking better than [U/I] had [U/I].

CI 2:

He aint driving that car right now!

CI:

Yeah, man, ask him.

ALFREDO:

I saw it.

CI:

He says that he isn't driving it right now. But I go, Yes! I mean, he just
bought it. He didn't buy it just to put it away, did he?

ALFREDO:

Dark color, black or blue, I dont know what color it was, but he was
driving around the circle and I was going home and he was turning like
this way [U/I] this way, going down.
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CI 2

But there are a few of them, there are about...

ALFREDO:

At night...

CI:

No, but I know he has one... He just bought one.

ALFREDO:

at night...

CI:

Hmm.

ALFREDO:

is when the motherfucker takes it out only. Who's going to drive around
in a Lamborghini at night, at eleven [11;00] or twelve [12:00] o'clock at
night?

CI:

Hmm-huh.

ALFREDO:

I drive it during the day, so it can be seen. Otherwise, what the fuck is it
for then? Am I right or not?
[BACKGROUND: RING TONE]

CI 2:

Also

CI :

This one only [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

I don't know, but it's still dangerous. Don't you think?

ALFREDO:

Yes, with a good car, yes. With that kind of car.

CI:

I mean, not just forI meanfor any person.

ALFREDO:

Yeah, fucking roads [U/I].

CI:

No, but Im saying for any person right now its [U/I].

CI 2:

I would not get on one of those right now. I would not get on, or before
either [U/I].

CI:

That's what Im saying, dangerous for any person who has cars like those
right now, especially the way things are.

ALFREDO:

[U/I] I took the Audi [U/I] take [U/I] the Maserati.

UM 2

A Maserati?

ALFREDO:

Fucking awesome. Two-door. Really fucking awesome. Brand new.

CI:

What color? White?

ALFREDO:

No, black.

UM 2

Black.
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ALFREDO:

No, black. [U/I]. Beautiful. When [U/I] one hundred and thirty thousand
[130,000] dollars, No. Take one car. So I took the Audi from him. But
the one I liked for myself I wanted to get the other one. No,
motherfucker! Theyll take it away from you, theyll get you out, theyll
kill you right there! Youre better off taking thethe Audi.

CI:

No, I mean, you know how even the cops will go and investigate you right
away.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

Which one? [U/I] and then they take you? [Laughs].

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 1:

Nah! The thing is that right now the way they are like with [U/I].

CI 2:

[U/I]... brother.

ALFREDO:

What?

CI 2:

[U/I] like what I told you that [U/I] his brother [U/I].

CI 1:

[ASIDE: Say hi, man.] You do know my nephew, right?

ALFREDO:

No, I mean, yeah [U/I]. What's up? [ASIDE: He's their other brother's son.]

UM 2:

How are you?

UM 3:

Fine.

ALFREDO:

[U/I], right?

UM 3:

Huh?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

He's seventeen [17] years old.

UM 3:

Huh?

CI:

I said he's seventeen [17] years old.

ALFREDO:

He looks like he's twenty-something. This motherfucker is too big. He

looks like a football player.
[LAUGHING]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] refrigerator.

CI:

[U/I].

ALFREDO:

So tell me then, they haven't called us or anything? Didnt they give us the
check? What happened?
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CI:

Yes.

ALFREDO:

[ASIDE: Hey you, sit over here (U/I).]

CI:

[U/I] the check.

ALFREDO:

Huh?

CI:

[U/I] the check.

[BACKGROUND: RING TONE]

ALFREDO:

You havent had a check?

CI:

Thats what Im saying. And I thought about you [U/I]. Earlier.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

[U/I] were waiting until tomorrow. [U/I] had something to do.

ALFREDO:

Huh?

CI:

I grabbed some work and I had to pay some money in Mexicali. Same
thing, I think it was one [1] week. And so I had to sell them for, for
twenty-two [22]. And he said, "Yes, Ill pay you right away over there in
Mexicali. Now hes saying that not until Thursday.

ALFREDO:

How much is the kilo going for in Chicago?

CI:

Were selling it at thirty [30]thirty and a half [30 !].

CI 2:

Right now at thirty [30]... thirty and a half [30 !].

ALFREDO:

This work should be arriving by by next Monday. Over there to [U/I].

CI:

Yes.

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ALFREDO:

In a week I think that Im going to put in [U/I]

UM 2:

If were lucky

ALFREDO:

If were lucky by Wednesday, once we are therebefore Friday. I sent

seventy-six [76]. Do you want to buy them?

CI:

Huh?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]-six kilos.

CI:

Oh, shit. How much are you asking?

ALFREDO:

How much do you pay? [U/I] to pay a lot of money.

CI:

Twenty-five [25].

CI 2:

Shit, man!

UM:

All lies.

CI:

Nah, I hate that [U/I].

CI 2:

What's your price? What do you want?

ALFREDO:

Offer the best that you can pay. What do you want me to say? I mean, I
dont have customers. And, if not, theyll stay there, Ill fucking throw
them away! Im gonna throw them away yeah, right! [Laughs]

CI 2:

On Saturday?

CI 2:

[U/I] the thing is [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
[BACKGROUND: BROADCAST PLAYING]

CI:

[U/I] arrives [U/I] arrives [U/I] a damn mess. This is not the good one.
Look, it's all used.

UM 4:

What do you mean used?

CI:

Look. I bought it new.

UM 4:

It was in storage.

CI:

Look.

UM 4:

Its new.
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CI:

Wheres the plastic?

UM 4:

[U/I].
[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

I want the friend to come and ask me for an apology, dude.

UM 4:

Huh?

CI:

I want the friend to come and ask me for an apology. No I buy from him
[U/I] two thousand five hundred [2,500], he asks me for the money and
once once you say yes, he keeps bugging you for the money. And he
comes right away and puts a...

UM 4:

[U/I] put [U/I] at my house for me?

CI:

Oh. No, no, I can put that for you. The thing is ... [ASIDE: Hey Jay, why
don't they have them here, the Aquos TV?]the thing is they only bring
two [2] every two [2] weeks.

UM 4:

Because you also buy them [U/I].

CI:

No [U/I] we have bought some. We've been going we send my nephew

every other day to see if they have arrived, to see if they have arrived. But
he putI bought HD...boxes, right? Two thousand five hundred [2,500]
each and he brought me a regular one because he had them [U/I]. I just
noticed [U/I]. [ASIDE: CI: Right, Jay? Remember I told you, right? UM
5: Mmm? CI: I paid HD boxes and he put a regular one in here. UM 5:
Who? CI: He got me. He thought I wasnt gonna notice. UM 5: [U/I]
whats a HD box? CI: HD, High Definition, better than the new one. UM
5: Oh.]

CI 2:

I'm telling you, dude, that's how Rafa is.

[BACKGROUND: LAUGHTER]

CI:

It wasn't Rafa. It was this guy So what should we do then?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

Its your call.

ALFREDO:

Well, tell me [U/I] more or less how muchhow much will you pay for
that?

CI 2:

About twenty-five [25].

ALFREDO:

Huh? [Laughs]. Thirty-five [35] in the U.S.

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CI:

Ill pay you about twenty-seven and half [27 ! ].

ALFREDO:

Man! No, no, [U/I]..

CI:

Okay, straight up, twenty-eight [28] is a good number for me to pay you.
That way I can make some money. Ill make I'm going to be making
about one thousand [1,000] dollars per

ALFREDO:

Twenty-nine [29]?

CI:

Twenty-nine [29] doesnt make sense.

ALFREDO:

[U/I] thrity [U/I].

CI:

How about my work? I'm making five [5] bucks off of mine. What
[ASIDE: hold on.]what you're offering me for twenty-eight [28], right?,
I think theyre too few.

ALFREDO:

Twenty-eight and half [28 !] and thats it.

CI:

Thats fine. [U/I]. And, and the check? Where do you want me toto?

ALFREDO:

Over there in Chicago. But right away fucker, because I need to pay my
[U/I].

CI:

[Laughs] Anything else, sir? [Laughs]

[BACKGROUND: LAUGHTER]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] work for you guys!

CI:

No, no, it's not that! No. Iwe want[U/I]its just thatyou know
what? Likeright now we thought, Shit, man! Thats a shitload of money
to.

CI 2:

thats a lot of money to invest to make

CI:

just a little bit

CI 2:

just a little bit

CI:

One thousand [1,000] bucks. I even think it's a lotI think its a lot[U/I]
because the thing is that the problem I have right now, man, is that I think,
"Man, five million [5,000,000] is one hundred fifty [150] kilos, man."
Over there, right now.

ALFREDO:

Where?

!"#$%&'%()*+,*((-.-&/0+12$34&5%&-67*-&89:$;%&''<(.<'6&=">$&'(&0?&@.&=">$A/&5%@(@B

CI:

Over there in Chicago.

CI 2:

Yes, five million [5,000,000] is one hundred and fifty [150].

CI:

So were risking too much money, man. It's too much.

ALFREDO:

How much, how much is the account?

CI:

At thirty [30].
[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

Look...

ALFREDO:

About four and a half [4 ! ] million.

CI:

Twenty- lets say twenty-nine [29]. It's about four million [4,000,000],
almost four and a half [4 ! ].
[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] Seventy-six [76].

CI:

Seventy-six [76]?

CI 2:

[U/I]

CI:

It's two million one sixty-six [2,166,000]. [Pause]. Okay, man, that's fine.
[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

No, he got confused. They, they got me confused [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

A friend of mine here, that I have here [U/I].

CI 2:

[U/I] like, Shit, man!

ALFREDO:

No, the thing is[U/I]came back again.

CI 2:

[U/I].

CI:

The other day we we saw, we saw [U/I].

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ALFREDO:

Yeah.

CI 2:

Listen, Im going to call right now, Im going to call right now. You know
what? [U/I]. What should we do anyway?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

Yes, if the man calls me Ill tell him, You know what, man? Stop fucking
around, I want my surprise! The one that you keep saying that [U/I].
Should I tell him?

ALFREDO:

Yeah.

CI 2:

[U/I]... The worst thing that can happen is that hell get mad and hell
laugh, huh?

ALFREDO:

He's going to laugh, "I have your surprise now.. He's really hurting for
money [U/I].

CI 2:

No, straight up, Im going to tell him this, "Hey, hey, your compadre
[buddy] is really bummed out, man.

ALFREDO:

No, no.

CI 2:

He sounded like really bummed out, like needy, Im gonna tell him.

ALFREDO:

No, its better if you dont tell him anything [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

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CI 2:

[U/I]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] or what, man?

CI 2:

Huh?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

No, [U/I] fifteen [15] days...

CI:

[U/I].

CI 2:

I don't know how many he wants to give each one of them. He told me
that [U/I] has money for twenty [20]. I gave him thirty [30] and he says
he's not done yetthe other one... [U/I] five hundred [500] [U/I], right? I
have one man... I have a man aloneI have a man alone whowho
movesI gave him sixty [60] and hes already done and even [U/I]. But I
want this man, my friend, to pick up work from this one, the money from
this one [U/I] and then [U/I] load it up and come here. I'm gonna call him
back.

ALFREDO:

And when they don't pay you guys, do you have someone to send for
collection [U/I]? Or how do you guys do it?

CI 2:

No, no, [U/I].

CI:

No, no, if they dont pay us [U/I] one day. They know.

CI 2:

And we havent had too much trouble.

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ALFREDO:

So then who is responsible [U/I]?

CI 2:

I mean, right now we havent had any trouble. But before ...

ALFREDO:

[U/I] fucking asshole [U/I].

CI 2:

[U/I] Before, before that would always happen. Before. [U/I] they hide or
they get lost. Theres, for real, there's people who would arrive to the
house, andnothing. The house would be empty.

ALFREDO:

Yeah. That's what Im saying...

CI 2:

And they would leave...

CI:

No, but you test them. I do test them. You test them little by little --five
[5]ten [10]. And so people who need the money want to keep going.

CI 2:

Since all who buy are, are around each of them, you understand what I
mean? It's like over here, like like a shitload of people know me.
Where the f you know what I mean?...

ALFREDO:

Yes.

CI 2:

Where am I going to go, if this is what I do? [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

But if you're going to do some business, you want to come through... And
these people [U/I], you know what I mean? Like, what they needed,
because[U/I] like with him... Didnt I send him eighty [80] and he lost
them? I told him, You keep fucking bugging me. I dont want to hear
anything. I'm going to give you the eighty [80], and Im not going to
deduct a single dollar. You're going to pay me at this number, and I dont
give a shit. I don't want to hear from you." "Yeah, fine, I dont give a shit!"
So then they deliver it to him, and the next day he got fucked. And I said,
"I didnt give a shit. Where's my money?"

CI 2:

We did squeeze

CI:

We squeezed Youyou were really goodwe squeezed about three

hundred [300], four hundred thousand [400,000] bucks out of him, [U/I]
for the check [U/I], but he paid us only with hundreds [100s]. But he did
have money to pay us...

CI 2:

But its his fault. No he doesn't set up offices to work. Hes really like...
he wants to do everything without expenses. He doesn't want to have an
office or anything. Nothing. He wants

ALFREDO:

He doesnt want to spend.

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CI 2:

He wants it like... you knowlike the old times.

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

For me, can you imagine?, I just paid sixty thousand [60,000] dollars
[U/I]

CI 2:

I pay, I think...

CI:

...in Los Angeles. Here it's forty [40]. In Chicago it's like one hundred
[100].

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI 2:

We pay like two-fifty [250] in total in offices.

CI:

No, [U/I].

ALFREDO:

They [U/I].
[BACKGROUND: MUSIC PLAYS]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] of nothing but fixed expenses.

CI:

Oh, no, [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

And he doesnt want to [U/I]we have workedI say, Hey, dude, there
are these two [2] houses, [U/I] one house [U/I] trip and the other one so
you can check them out. How much you think it would be to fix up two
rented houses and furnish them? How much would it be? Like two [2]
bucks?

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

Already furnished rent and everything.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]?

CI:

Over there.

ALFREDO:

Hey, dude, a house, say, really, really bad-ass [I/I].

CI:

Um if its really bad-ass [U/I] thousand.

ALFREDO:

Yeah? With and if they ask you for a one-month deposit?

CI:

[U/I]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] two thousand and five hundred [2,500].

CI:

I just like to bring it down, cheaper. Like from twelve hundred [1,200] to
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fifteen hundred [1,500]. Good ones, like, with a garage and everything.
ALFREDO:

[U/I] fifty thousand [50,000]?

CI:

I do spend that. You know why? Because we put everything in them -plates, curtains, [U/I], clothes, jackets, even photos.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

I, I put [U/I] jackets, [U/I] kids' room. I put likeeverything.

ALFREDO:

Everything, so it looks nice [U/I].

CI:

I hope so, man. When did you say the surprise would arrive? No, because I
thought you were saying, I think, in two [2]weeks. [ASIDE:

CI:

No, man, once that stuff arrives from down there, uff, man!, Im going to
buy myself a [U/I].

ALFREDO:

Huh?

CI:

I'll buy myself one of those cars.

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

Yeah, he told me. I heard him say that he had a shitload of problems.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]. Once [U/I] arrives, then [U/I].

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CI:

If [U/I] arrives [U/I] never [I/I].

CI 2:

[U/I]

CI:

[U/I] scare me, dude!, [U/I] dude.

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

Its fucked up, isnt it?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]...cant be. [U/I] send a seven forty-seven [747] [U/I].

CI:

But is it a personal plane or a [U/I] plane?

ALFREDO:

Cargo, big.

UM:

Cargo.

CI:

Seven, forty-seven [747]?

ALFREDO:

It doesnt have seats or anything. [U/I]...products from [U/I] Bogota.

CI:

But thats for having the money there and paying everybody, right?

ALFREDO:

Yeah, in fact I used it two [2] years ago [U/I].

CI :

But [U/I] down there? [U/I] the plane [U/I].

ALFREDO:

Nothing, [U/I]. I [U/I] the people, [U/I] the people [U/I] material.

CI :

And why didnt [U/I]?

ALFREDO:

Because [U/I].

CI :

A year and half ago, what do you mean no? I have ... Ive known [U/I] for
three [3] or four [4] years.

ALFREDO:

[U/I] Monterrey? No.

CI 2:

A year and half.

CI:

A year and a half? More!

ALFREDO:

Maybe youre right.

CI:

Weve been a year on this project.

CI 2:

Yeah, [U/I] more.

ALFREDO:

Moremoresoon itll be about two [2] years [U/I] so far no

CI 2:

I met you about three [3] years ago. I met

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ALFREDO:

Me, but [U/I] only a year ago. It was in November of last year. Yes,
because

CI:

An the company has been around for one [1] year.

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

You didnt even make enough for the expenses?

ALFREDO:

No, I did [U/I] there [U/I]. [U/I]...one thousand, seven hundred [1,700]...
On the second one, we put in seven thousand [7,000]. The second trip
[U/I]. On the third one, we put in like eleven thousand [11,000] or thirteen
thousand [13,000] [U/I] Bogota and thats when [U/I].

CI 2:

And how did he steal it?

CI:

cause of the little [U/I].

CI 2:

But how did he take them? Or were you going to sell them to him?

ALFREDO:

No, fucking Alfredo and his dad. This man from here and I can't even
remember his name he tells me, Hey, straight up...," he was going to
tell me something about the fucking plane, so I say, [U/I] it's going to be
eight hundred [800], right?" So he gives me the money and everything, the
plane leaves, I leave [U/I] and they deliver the following day. But the ones
they delivered belonged to my compadre [buddy]. Six hundred and twenty
[620] [U/I]. So I call [U/I] and he tells me, "No, they delivered six hundred
and twenty [620]. So I call the man and tell him, They delivered six
hundred and twenty [620]." No, it's eight hundred and twenty [820]!" So
he calls him but he no longer picks up. "Oh well!, thats all, the six
hundred and twenty [620], thats okay." So [U/I].

UM 2:

That was sneaky.

ALFREDO:

But when I arrive in Mexico, once [U/I] delivers [U/I] fuck [U/I].
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI 2:

But why [U/I]...?

ALFREDO:

So the whole fucking business was over.

CI 2:

But why [U/I]?

ALFREDO:

Huh?

CI:

Because hes saying that [U/I].

CI 2:

No, but why wasnt your buddy able to to give his support?
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ALFREDO:

I don't know if... I don't know... I dont know what fucking bullshit is
going on.

CI:

That's why sometimes I feel that... I feel that they are like into
themselveslike...

CI 2:

Nothing, but he didnt want any problems, and if he was telling you that,
"That is your problem, not mine." You know what I mean? Thats what
hes telling you. Right?

CI:

[U/I].

ALFREDO:

It would be like me saying, Oh, yeah, you may be my buddy but [U/I]
workers [U/I] and you [U/I] me.

CI 1:

You have to pay me. I dont like

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

But that's not cool if he used you.

ALFREDO:

Because after that [U/I].

CI 2:

Yeah, but, I mean thats not cool because you could no longer do fuck.

UM:

No, and the whole shit was over.

ALFREDO:

And all that fucking work was over. [U/I].

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

Who, the driver?

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

[U/I] the expenses?

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

Yeah, but how are things at the airport now?

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] I cant do any work without a check [U/I], right?

CI 2:

[ASIDE: CI 2: Did Greco leave? Yeah? And who gave that jerk
permission to leave?]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] I hope so.

CI 2:

[ASIDE: CI 2: Did they ring? UM: [U/I]. CI 2: So did the jerk leave?
UM: Yes, right now, he just left. I don't think he's coming back. CI 2:
Take your time. UM: No thats fine. CI 2: [U/I]. UM: (LAUGHS).]
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[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

UM:

[U/I]...right away?
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

UM:

Well, right now [U/I].

CI:

So were all set then.

ALFREDO:

[U/I] yes or no. If not, then [U/I].

CI:

Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Okay, let me call my buddy right now to see if he's
going to bring the check now. If not today then...

ALFREDO:

No, no, tomorrow... because the driver is going to be leaving.

CI:

If not, then Wednesday.

ALFREDO:

Because hes leaving for Chicago tonight to pick up [U/I].

CI:

[U/I]

CI 2:

He didn't call?

CI:

I talked to im in the morning and he said thathe told me around three

o'clock [3:00]. [U/I] three [3] hours.

CI 2:

[U/I]... Sixty [60]. [U/I]?

CI:

[U/I] whoa, whoa, whoa,[U/I] what time is it now?

CI 2:

Over there? It's two, forty-six [2:46].

CI:

[U/I]... no change.
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

So were all set with those. But if it arrives, for example, this one, if it
arrives, would you be willing to do the two [2] again?

ALFREDO:

What?

CI:

[U/I] ?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]. But there isnt enough time [U/I] ...five hundred [500], six hundred
[600], I dont know [U/I]...

CI:

[U/I]... you know, it arrives... you know it arrived.

CI 2:

[U/I]... Anyway, [U/I].

ALFREDO:

Huh?

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CI 2:

[U/I].

ALFREDO:

Well, maybe [U/I].

CI:

No, that's why...

CI 2:

No, the new one.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

No, but what Im saying is, if, if, if it does arrive [U/I], would you be
willing [I/I]?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

If you invite us, were in.

ALFREDO:

The thing is that [U/I]

CI 2:

[U/I].

CI:

[U/I] the thing I like about this the thing I like about this job is that
you'll know whether it arrived, and thats it; or whether it didnt arrive, and
that's it .

CI 2:

Yeah. In one day [U/I].

CI:

You know what I mean? [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

One day. Youre notfor a month, Hey, dude, what happened?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

Count me in for that one. Easy.

CI:

Id be game for that one.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2:

[U/I] Id be game with about four thousand [4,000].

ALFREDO:

[U/I]... Six hundred and twenty [620] [U/I].

CI:

At what price?

UM:

Huh?

CI:

Where?

ALFREDO:

Here, here.

CI:

Really? All the way here?

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ALFREDO:

[U/I]. How much would it be [U/I]-ninenine million dollars?

CI 2:

[U/I].

ALFREDO:

So [U/I] million dollars?

CI 2:

[U/I]... had told me that [U/I] was there with us and asked me whether I
[U/I] to pay [U/I] okay, what would you say if, he said [U/I] ended up
owing eight thousand [8,000]. And he will continue to owe that you, he
said [U/I] because [U/I] dough.

CI:

[U/I] was saying [U/I] a shitload of [U/I].

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

[U/I] house.

CI 2:

[U/I]..., where is it?

ALFREDO:

At your house.

CI 2:

[U/I]...your house, so the only [U/I] farther away, right? [U/I] your house
[U/I].

ALFREDO:

And I stay there at my house. I dont go out.

CI 2:

Okay. [U/I].

CI:

[U/I]. Yeah, man. I mean, thats what they do. When they dont work, they
steal [U/I].

CI 2:

[U/I]... a Cherokee.

ALFREDO:

Oh, a Cherokee?

CI:

Yeah, a Cherokee.

CI 2:

Gold color? [U/I] fucking car [U/I].

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

[ASIDE: Yo! Okay, cool. I'm just checking up. Okay... Just let me know,
okay? Make sure you give me enough time, okay? Yeah, alright, cool.]
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI:

[U/I] here in Mexico City they have them [U/I].

CI 2:

[U/I] I told you [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I] that Cherokee [U/I] someone who goes by Chino [Chinese/Curly

hair], someone who goes by Chino [Chinese/Curly hair] [U/I].

CI:

I saw him passing by with two [2] white cars and those [U/I] Cherokee,
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with dark windows. And he passed by with like three [3] small cars [U/I] .
ALFREDO:

No, my buddy [U/I].

CI 2:

Well, yes, but thats because they can, because they're fixed up. That's
why.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]...kind of strange [U/I]...nobody else.

CI:

That's what Im saying [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

I dont think so. Right now [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

Yes, butbut

CI 2:

But thats better for them. Let them look bad.

CI:

Listen, butbut the Chinos [Chinese/Curly hair guys]they're involved

with that guy.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

What did he say [U/I]?

CI 2:

I don't know. I'm gonna talk to him [U/I].

ALFREDO:

I want a dish. [U/I].

CI:

[U/I] It's...it'sIm going to tell you whyits because they changed the
antenna. Hey, hey, check why the channels are not working.
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

UM 6:

[U/I] cant be seen [U/I].

ALFREDO:

[U/I]. Hey, the dish you have at your house, is it legit or not?
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

UM 7:

Huh?

ALFREDO:

The dish [U/I].

UM 7:

[U/I] they get blocked [U/I].

ALFREDO:

Yeah, but its [U/I].

[B ACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS]
[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]
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CI 2

[ASIDE:

ALFREDO:

[ASIDE: Go ahead. Nothing. I'm just here talking. (U/I).]

CI 2:

You had it on [U/I]. What does it say?

CI:

Huh? [U/I] what about it?

CI 2:

[U/I]

CI:

I don't see it.

CI 2:

[U/I] just gave it to me right now.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

Say hi to him from me.

ALFREDO:

Okay.

CI 2:

[U/I], man.

ALFREDO:

So, what did we agree on? [U/I]

CI:

I dont know. Ill buy them from you at twenty-seven and half [27 ! ]?

ALFREDO:

Twenty-eight and half [28 !]. We agreed on twenty-eight and half [28 !],
right?

UM:

Hey, was it twenty-eight and a half [28 !]?

ALFREDO:

Yeah, they will call uscall mewhen the documents [U/I].

CI 2:

Are you already asking us to pay? [U/I]!

ALFREDO:

No, no!, thats for the stuff from here. The stuff from herefor the [U/I]!
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CI:

Oh, yes, yes! Yes, the [U/I]-hundred fifty [(U/I)-50].

ALFREDO:

Yeah. Not, not [U/I]

CI:

Anyway, there is no rush up there right now. They don't wantthe fuckers
don't want to work.

ALFREDO:

Who?

CI:

They're saying at forty [40], at forty [40].

ALFREDO:

In Canada?

CI:

Its you know, you know I just checked the other day you know
when its going for forty [40]? It's going for about thirty-one [31], eight
hundred [800].

ALFREDO:

In dollars?

CI:

In dollars. Thats bullshit!

ALFREDO:

[U/I] check. I need to know. If not, to pay [U/I].

CI:

No, no, it's fine.

ALFREDO:

I already saw several things.

CI:

In order to keep going, but it's going to have to get get better, right?

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

Would you do it, man?... Okay, no

ALFREDO:

No, no, no

CI:

no supposesuppose you didn't know me, would you? Would you

go [U/I] to Canada to make one hundred thousand [$100,000] bucks?

CI 2:

[U/I]

CI:

No, no, no... Any other way. No, no, we have that. Suppose we don't have
the freight or anything like that.

CI 2:

In Miami, man.

CI:

One hundred [$100] bucks, all the way up there... When you can go to
Atlanta and earn the check [U/I]?

CI 2:

Or also go all the way there. Id say yes. Yes, Im sure.

UM:

But, the thing is that the freight [U/I] is expensive.

ALFREDO:

Where does it go out faster? Who pays faster and everything? [U/I] faster
[U/I].
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UM:

It depends on whether [U/I].

CI:

[LAUGHS]. I have a pilot.

ALFREDO:

Huh?

CI:

I have a pilot.

ALFREDO:

A plane? And once inside the U.S. no one checks anything?

CI:

I have a buddy thatthat used to tell me thathe would laugh he

said was that he was so, so happy because things were going well.

ALFREDO:

[YAWNS] Uh-huh.

CI:

He said that if... Look, he said, I swear, I'd go to Los Angeles and
before [U/I] I would gather up to the last penny. To everybody [U/I]
thousand dollars. I thought it was so easy, he would say, because no
there are times when Id [U/I] fifteen thousand [15,000] dollars. [U/I]...
Fifteen thousand dollars [$15,000]. [U/I] Fifteen thousand dollars
[$15,000]. And guess what happened to him?

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

[LAUGHING] He crashed it!

CI 2:

No, but he said he already had it. He said that laterthat later he
investigated and that he already had it. That they had put one of those [U/I]
on the plane. I saw histhe whole story, and he says that when he was
over by, I dont know, by Ohio [U/I].
[BACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS]

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

Okay, in the beginning he would not [U/I] with anyone. Then he said that
he had always bought new parts but this time the mechanic convinced him
about a part that was re

CI 2:

refurbished.

CI:

refurbished. And then he says that [U/I].

ALFREDO:

Look, [U/I] at the airport...

UM:

Oh, thank you.

ALFREDO:

Cuando [U/I] at the airport [U/I] car.

CI:

Yes [U/I].

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UM:

[U/I] they're busy right now and whether you can call a little later.

ALFREDO:

Yeah, I mean [U/I] in Chicago [U/I] in Washington [U/I].

CI:

He saidthats what he said.

ALFREDO:

[U/I].

CI:

He said [U/I] he didn't want to take anyone with him. And I said, "Hey,
dude, you shouldve taken some shovels, I said, [U/I] to bury the work.
And wait, am I right or not?, to see if they would come and get it. But no,
he left the work there.

UM:

[U/I] one more [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI 2:
ALFREDO:

[U/I] dont know [U/I].

CI:

But he washe was a pilot. Thats why.

ALFREDO:

[U/I] normal [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

ALFREDO:

So then, when would you sayforfor the Vancouver stuff?

CI:

As soon as [U/I].

UM:

The good thing about Vancouver is that there you can [U/I].

ALFREDO:

Right, right, but

CI:

No, we are actually ready here. Once we have them there, I know were
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going to [U/I]. [U/I]... we're talking about other ones, like...you know what
I mean? Were talking about some that we dont have. Once we have them,
[U/I].
ALFREDO:

All right, then, you call me [U/I].

CI:

[U/I] my buddy, man.

ALFREDO:

I hope to god, fucker [LAUGHS].

CI:

Now Im going to Ill bet you anything that now that were here talking
he must have called.

ALFREDO:

Who?

CI:

My buddy.

ALFREDO:

Did he just call?

CI:

I imagine so, only because I dont have the phone.

ALFREDO:

[LAUGHS].

CI:

Or, if not, Im going to callIm going to tell Menor [Junior]Im going

to say, You know what? Fuck it, I cant be waiting around for you guys. I
cant be carrying the phone around wherever I go.

ALFREDO:

[LAUGHS] Of course. [U/I].

CI:

I'm going to [U/I] one right now.

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI:

[U/I].

UM:

[U/I] at [your/his] house.

CI:

Take care, alright?

ALFREDO:

[U/I]

CI 2

[U/I]... Ask Pete.[U/I]

[END OF RECORDING]

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