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GEORGE LUCAS,
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Lucasfilm?
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do you
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recruiting or hiring?
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development company.
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I got it.
Now, when did you sell your -- your interest in
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called Pixar?
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with Pixar?
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the fact that ILM, Industrial Light & Magic, which the
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probably 30 percent.
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was ILM, because the top talent in the other areas are
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you want, come back, but, you know, we can't afford that.
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recruiting efforts?
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about that.
Did you think as part of what you needed to
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that right?
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investigation?
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do a better job.
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know -- and, you know, a lot of the people that work for
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hiring?
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basically the people who had formerly worked for you that
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the head of, like, ILM, and say, hey, this person is
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come back and forth, back and forth, and then they go
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soliciting talent."
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which takes, you know, a year, and then -- you know, and
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April 9, 2013.
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ROSALIE A. KRAMM
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KRAMM COURT REPORTING
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