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ELECTRONICALLY RECORDED INTERVIEW OF

SARAH DUNSWORTH

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INTERVIEWED BY CORPORAL SARAH DRUMMOND

AT THE HALIFAX POLICE STATION
ON NOVEMBER 24, 2014

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CORPORAL DRUMMOND:

Here we go. Sorry, as I mentioned, its recording there.

SARAH DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

Umm, Im just going to do an audio back-up there, as well. Okay,

so todays date is the 24th of November, 2014, and it is 11:35 in the
morning, and we are in Halifax, at the Halifax police station. My
name is Corporal Sarah Drummond. Umm, we just

--

we have

talked on the phone a few times. We just met. Umm, just one sec
actually. I am just going to put my phone on silent. Im sorry
about that.

DUNSWORTH:

Thats okay.

DRUMMOND:

Umm, and as I mentioned, we are being reccrded right now-

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

--so thats up there, and then, as I said, this is an audio back-up.

Umm, so Sarah, I will just get you to start, can you just give me
your, umm, full name, and justyour age, not your date of birth.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah, its Sarah Elizabeth Dunsworth, and Im 38.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, umm, so as I mentioned, umm, we had spoken, umrn, that

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Toronto had asked

--

Toronto Police had asked that, urnm, I

interview you in regards to an investigation that they are doing.

Before we start, umm, its going to be a sworn statement.

DUNSWORTI-I:

Mrn-hmm.

DRUIvIMOND:

So I am just going to read you this and then, umm, Sergeant

Steinberg is going to come in just to swear

--

swear that

everything you are going to tell is the truth.

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

And then we will start with the interview, okay? So if you have
any questions about this, or you dont understand, just dont
hesitate to interrupt

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

Umm, or ask. Umm, I would ask that

--

that you acknowledge that

you understand that this statement is being video and audiotaped,

and that you consent to such a tape being made. Is that
understood?

DUNSWORTH:

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Yes.

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DRIJMMOND:

Okay, umm, you must understand that it is a criminal offence

under s.139 and 140 of the Criminal Code to obstruct justice, or to
commit public mischief by making a false statement to police
during an investigation. You must further understand that you
maybe a witness at a trial concerning the events you describe in
this statement, and if, at that time, you recant your statement or
claim it to be false, it can and will be used at that trial, and you
maybe liable to prosecution under s.137 of the Criminal Code for
fabricating evidence.

Finally, you must understand that you are not obliged to give this
statement, and if any person has, bywords, or acts, attempted to
persuade you to provide it, you are to disregard those words or
acts and only give the statement if you freely to choose to do so.

Do you understand your right to choose whether or not to make a

statement?

DUNSWORTH:

Yes.

DRUMMOND:

Do you understand the criminal consequences of making a false

statement?

DUNSWORTH:

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Yes.

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DRUMMOND:

Okay, do you understand the fact that this statement will be

videotaped?

DUNSWORTH:

Yes.

DRUMMOND:

Do you choose then to give a statement?

DUNSWORTH:

Yes. Yes, I do.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, umm, we are just going to get, umm, Sergeant Steinberg to

come in-

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

--just to

DUNSWORTH:

Well, whats the difference?

DRUMMOND:

Swearing is on a bible

DUNSWORTH:

Okay, to affirm.

DRUMMOND:

Yeah. And if you choose not to swear on the bible, its affirming.

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

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you can either swear or affirm, depending on what

--

--

Can you choose other things?

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DRUMMOND:

Thats just generally-- thats just

DUNSWORTH:

Its just either/or?

DRUMMOND:

Thats whats been offered [inaudible] Like thats what would be

--

offered in court.

DUNSWORTH:

Right.

DRUMMOND:

Yeah.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Hi, there.

DUNSWORTH:

Hi, how are you?

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Good thanks. Here we go. And you have a pen, dontyou?

DRUMMOND:

Yeah.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

All right, Im Sergeant Steinberg.

DUNSWORTH:

Hi, nice to meet you. Im Sarah Dunsworth.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Hi. Okay, I am also a Commissioner of Oaths for the Supreme

Court of Nova Scotia.

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DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

So, ahh, what Im here t do is

DUNSWORTH:

Mm-hmm.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

--in relation to similar what Sarah just explained. Umm, so the

--

is read an oath to you-

oath goes as follows: As the police have explained, your

statement to them is a very important part of their investigation.

Umm, you should understand that it is a serious criminal offence

to make a false statement to police to wrongly accuse someone of
a crime, or to cause the police to enter into an investigation of
another person.

DUNSWORTH:

[Nods affirmatively)

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Umm, you should also understand that it is a serious offence to

make an affidavit that is false.

DUNSWORTH:

Mm-hmm.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Umm, if you later give a sworn

--

if you later give sworn evidence

that it is different from what you, ahh, swear to today, that could
be an offence, another offence. Your statement today might be

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used against you if you ever change, or if you are ever charged
with one of these other offences. Do you understand this caution?

DUNSWORTH:

Yes.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Okay, can I borrow your pen for a second?

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

And your name is spelled with a

DUNSWORTH:

Im so sorry.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

No, no problem.

DUNSWORTH:

Its Sarah with an H, yeah, with an Fl.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Okay, Sarah with an H, okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Thats the real way to spell it

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

And how do you spell your last name?

DUNSWORTH:

Its Dunsworth, D-U-N-S-WO-R-T-H.

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COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

R-T-H, okay. So do you, Sarah Dunsworth, swear or solemnly

affirm

--

now, you can swear to the bible-

DUNSWORTH:

Oh.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

--or you can solemnly affirm.

DUNSWORTH:

Oh, Ill just affirm, thats fine, yeah.

COMMISSIONEROFOATHS:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

So you are going to solemnly affirm, so Im just going to cross out

swear. Im just crossing out two portions of this that I will get
you to initial after I-

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

--read it to you, but-- okay, so do you, Sarah Dunsworth, solemnly

affirm that the evidence that you shall give on this investigation
shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

DUNSWORTH:

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Yes, I do.

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COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Okay, and Im just going to get you to initial there where

DUNSWORTH:

Initial it--

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Its for the swearing of it, that were not going to do that. We are

--

just affirming.

DUNSWORTH:

Yet the bible is still very handy.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Yeah, exactly, it worked out well.

DUNSWORTH:

And then do I sign here?

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

No, thats

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

OF OATHS:
COMMISSIONER

--

thats for me to sign-

--and stamp, so Ill do that right here. So this is similar to getting

sworn in in court.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah, I understand.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Okay. And Im just going to put a date on this, too. Okay, and Ill
leave that with you.

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DRUMMOND:

Sure. Thank you.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

Here we go. Nice meeting you.

DUNSWORTH:

Nice to meet you, too. Thanks.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

And do you want that

DRUMMOND:

The pen.

COMMISSIONER OF OATHS:

The pen, great.

DRUMMOND:

Thank you. Okay, so, umm, so Ijust have a few questions for you.

DUNSWORTH:

Sure.

DRUMMOND:

Umm, so well just start off, ahh, do you know Lucy DeCoutere?

DUNSWORTH:

Yes.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, and, umm, just explain how long you know her, and how you

--

know her, and what your relationship is?

DUNSWORTH:

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I have known Lucy since I think around 2000.

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DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

We worked on a television show together, and we started working

together. Its like 99 or 2000, and thats-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--when we met.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, so its 14 years, and we have, umm, over the years, formed a
really close friendship that extends to not being just work-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--friends, but were friends outside of work, as well.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, so you have maintained a friendship with her?

DUNSWORTH:

A very close friendship, yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, umm, do you recall her telling you about an incident

involving Jian Ghomeshi?

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DUNSWORTH:

Yes, I do.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, so, umm, can you just sort of tell me about that, umm, when
you were told about it, and what you were told, to the best of your
recollection?

DUNSWORTH:

Itwas awhile ago. Ithinkitwas 2004.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

It was about 10 years ago. Umm, Lucy is not a big dater.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, she doesnt go out on a lot of dates, and usually if she does
go on a date, she will call me afterwards and tell me about it, or if
shes interested in someone, she will talk to me about it. And she
called me after she had gone on a date with, umm, jian. I think
she had gone on more than one, umm, and she had told me that
she was gonna go on these dates, and stuff, but did she call me

after one, like a few days afterwards. Umm, if you knew Lucy,
V

this would make sense. She started by laughing and going,

Is this normal?

DRUMMOND:

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Mm-hmm.

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DUNSWORTH:

And 1 said,
Oh, oh-oh, what happened?
And she described an incident in which she had gone to his house,
and that he had ended up puthng his hands on her neck and
choking her.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTI-{:

Umm, and I answered like,

No, thats

--

its really not normal.

And we talked about the fact that they hadnt discussed it

before-hand, or that it wasnt part of any kind of like, you know,
sex play, or anything, and she

--

I mean, I dont think she really

was asking if it was normal, but she was, you know, just reaching
out to a girlfriend.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

Like this is a weird thing to happen to me

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

And, umm, you know, and we just talked about it afterwards.

DRUMMOND:

Okay

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DUNSWORTH:

I dont know what else you need to know?

DRUMMOND:

Okay, I guess, just sort of go back on that phone call.

DUNSWORTH

Sure

DRUMMOND:

Or it was a phone call?

DUNSWORTH:

It was a phone call.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, where were you living at the time when you got the call?

DUNSWORTH:

Iwas-

DRUMMOND:

Or where were you when you got the call, I guess I should say?

DUNSWORTH:

Where was Tin 2004? Well, I live in the south shore-

DRUMMOND

Okay

DUNSWORTH:

--so Im definitely here in Nova Scotia, and she was in Toronto.

She was living in Toronto at the time.

DRUMMOND:

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Okay.

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DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, so, umm, you said that you imew previous that she was
going to be going out with --on a date of him?

DUNSWORTH:

She had mentioned itto me, yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, umm, and then this was after-

DUNSWORTH:

Afterwards, yes.

DRUMMOND:

So do you remember how long after the date

--

do you recall when

the incident was?

DUNSWORTH:

I dont remember. Like how long after the date that-

DRUMMOND:

Like was it months, or weeks, or days

DUNSWORTH:

That she told me?

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

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DUNSWORTH:

In my recollection-

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTI-I:

--it was not that long afterwards, like maybe a week.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Thats

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

But again, it was ten years ago.

DRUMMOND:

Yeah. Okay, right. So, umm, so you are having this phone

--

thats how I remember

--

conversation, and she said that they had gone

--

or had she

described the date previous to that?

DUNSWORTH:

She didnt

--

the only thing that I remember her telling me, just

because it made

--

you know, it makes an impression when your

friend tells you something weird like this-

DRUMMOND:

Yeah.

DUNSWORTI-I:

--is that she told me that she went to his house, and that he ended

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up choking her-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--and she was really not interested in it

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

And that was it really weird, and it freaked her out.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, okay, yeah, Did she talk about like, umm, what was going on

when she got-- when he choked her, or what the context of it was,
or what they were doing when it happened?

DIJNSWORTH:

The way

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

--because I asked that-

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

--right away, of course, 11mm, and she

--

well, she told me that they didnt sleep together-

Oh, where did this come from?

And she said,

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I said, like,

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It came from out of nowhere,

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

So that-- thats sort of all I remember.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

And we have discussed it since then obviously-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--so its

DRUMMOND:

Okay, umm, actually and then I will ask you that, so have you

--

yeah.

--

so

have you had any recent communication? So you said you guys
discussed it later in years or

DUNSWORTI-I:

We have

--

--

we have talked about it off and on over the last ten

years.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

We actually were interviewed by him together-

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DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--on his radio show. And we talked about it, of course, before that
happened-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--and it was really awkward, umm, but yeah, it has been an openits not like we dwell on it, or talk about it all the time, but if he
comes up in conversation

--

I mean he is a famous guy in Canada,

and we listen to his radio show, so if he comes up, you know, we

have

--

we have talked about it, not like a huge issue, but just like

its a fact of something that happened.

DRUMMOND:

Right, okay. So that is one of the questions that they wanted me to

ask. So have you

--

you have, and you were just saying, so it was

--

have you had contact with Ghomeshi yourself?

DUNSWORTH:

He inteMewed us on a radio show. I don t remember when it

was. It was after that incident, and

--

I dont know, ten years ago,

eight years ago maybe.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, but just professionally like that. I havent met him, umm,

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outside of that one incident. Oh, Im sure Ive seen him at like
Gemini awards, and stuff like that. I probably met him at the
Geminis one year, but were certainly not in any contact, okay.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

It would just be a professional, Hello.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, so I guess like the biggest contact you had is with-- doing an
interview radio

--

or a radio interview?

DUNSWORTH:

A radio interview, yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, and that-- you said that you think that that was a couple of
years after the incident?

DUNSWORTH:

Oh, my gosh, I honestly cant

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Itwas awhile ago, like 2006 maybe.

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DRUMMOND:

Okay, and it was you and Lucy getting interviewed that day?

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

And was that for the TV show?

DUNSWO RTR:

That s because, of Trailer Park, yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, okay. Umm, I guess we can explain that, too. So the TV

show you guys were on together was

DUNSWORTI-I:

We work on Trailer Park Boys together, yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

And we often

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

--

because our

--

we are friends on the show-

--like our characters are friends, and were sort of paired up

together.

DRUMMOND:

Mrn-hrnm.

DUNSWORTH:

So we often get asked to do publicity-

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DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--or go to different events together as

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

And also because were friends, and its more fun, thats the other

--

as a team.

part, yeah

DRUMMOND:

And thats the TV show that you met her on?

DUNSWORTH:

Thats where we met, yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay. Umm, so then well go back, and the question was, do you
have

--

have you had any recent communication with her, umm, to

discuss the original incident with

--

or the incident that she had

with Mr. Ghomeshi?

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, well obviously Ive talked to her because shes one of my

best friends-

DRUMMOND:

Right

DUNSWORTH:

--and I talk to her all the time.

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DRUMMOND:

Right.

DUNSWORTH:

And she is about to embark bn this huge thing. She told me about
this-

DRUMMOND:

Mm hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

--before she went public, umm, just to even sort of warn me.

DRUMMOND:

Right.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, I dont know in what detail we have discussed what

happened. I dont think we have really need

--

we didnt really

need to touch back on the details of what happened.

DRUMMOND:

Right.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, its just a fact-- you know, its a fact that as between two
friends that I know about the incident.

DRUMMOND:

Right. Right.

DUNSWORTH:

So it has been mentioned, but not discussed. Does that make

se?

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DRUMMOND:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Yeah. So I mean, yes, it is brought up that it happened, and then

when

--

I guess my understanding, so before she went public with

it, you had talked to her

--

DUNSWORTH:

She told me that she was going to

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, she told me that she was going to go

DRUMMOND:

Right

DUNSWORTH:

--and that she was doing an interview about

--

--

come forward-

--

or the incident that

had happened with her, and that if she was able to, she was
probably going to go press charges.

DRUMMOND:

Okay. All right Umm, and then in saying that, did you have an
independent recollection of the incident, umm, DeCoutere had
told you about before the recent contact with her?

DUNSWORTH:

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Yes, of course. Yeah.

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DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

So as soon as I heard about the allegations against Ghomeshi-

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTI-l:

--I was pretty sure that they were true because I had had this
previous imowledge about him.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

And when that all became public, Lucy and I, I think we probably
talked the day after.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, he got fired from CBC and we talked about, you imow, what
it could possibly-

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

--be about

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

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DUNSWORTH:

Butyeah, thats-- sorry, I have sort lost my train of thought

half-way through

DRUMMOND:

--

No, no, no, thats fine. Yeah, no, the question was, thatyour --your
memory of what she told you a long time ago, if that was
Cinaudible)

--

DUNSWORTH:

Oh, yeah, no, no, its just

DRUMMOND:

Any conversation

DUNSWORTH:

Its the thing I know about, yeah, no, it was

--

--

--

it hasnt

--

we

havent touched on it again.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

Yeah.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, umm, Ithinic thats --those are all my questions.

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

Umm, is there anything else important that you think, umm-

DUNSWORTH:

I dont think so, no.

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DRUMMOND:

--that I didnt ask you about, or anything?

DUNSWORTH:

Umm, I dont think so. No. I mean, unless you need to make any
is there anything that you can think ofthatl should

--

--

DRUMMOND:

No, no, no, no, thats fine.

DUNSWORTI-{:

Okay. Umm, its-- Imean, honestly the incident that Lucytold me

about, it stood out in my mind because

--

and the reason I have

always remembered it is because (a) its a really weird thing to do.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

Like that is a really weird and abrupt thing for a person to do on a

date, especially when they are not, you know

--

there is no

discussion of it.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm.

DUNSWOP.TH:

And also, and just like because Lucy being Lucy, she doesnt date a
whole lot, and she doesnt, umm

--

yeah, she doesnt go on many

dates. So its like of course I remember this as a

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DUNSWORTH:

--you know, it was a big event for her, I guess.

DRUMMOND:

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

DUNSWORTH:

11mm, because she doesnt see very many people.

DRUMMOND:

Right, right, okay. Umm, you had mentioned that you said that you
thought she went on

--

that she had gone on more than one date

with him?

DUNSWORTH:

Tm pretty sure she went on more than one date with him.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

11mm, I dont know how serious the dates were.

DRUMMOND:

Right.

DUNSWQRTH:

I think she went out-- she either went out with him once before it
happened, or once after it happened, and I cant-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

I cant remember which it was, but I think it was before, she-

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DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

---went on a date with him before, and they went out somewhere.
And then the second time she went over to his house-

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

--and this is where the incident happened.

DRUMMOND:

Okay, and she didnt tell you about anything else that happened on
the other dates?

DUNSWORTH:

Ahhh, all I remember is just like the sense that she wasnt really
that into him.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

And that she

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

You iniow, that that kind of sealed the deal-

DRUMMOND:

Right

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DUNSWORTH:

--is that he was like really arrogant. I think she described him as
arrogant.

DRUMMOND:

Okay. And-- and lam actually, Jam just thinking this now, too,

sorry. Umm, then when you guys

--

when you went and did the

radio show, you had mentioned you guys had talked about it. Did
it come up then, too?

DUNSWORTH:

Well, not with him.

DRUMMOND:

No, no. Clearly (inaudiblej.

DUNSWORTH:

No, that would be something. Umm, I think that we just touched

on the fact that they had gone on a date and that it was really like
bad and weird

DRUMMOND:

Right

DUNSWORTH:

--and that it was going to be awkward to be interviewed by him.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTF{:

And it was awkward,

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

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DUNSWORTH:

Itwas avery awkward interview. He was obviously like

extremely uncomfortable with us being there. And people who
didnt imow anything about what had gone between he and Lucy
actually listened to the radio show and they called me afterwards
and they were like
Why was that

DRUMMOND:

DUNSWORTH:

like why was he so rude to you guys

7

Oh, really?

And I was like, 1 dont imow, but...

DRUMMOND:

Okay, how did you find it rude or awkward? .Like do you

DUNSWORTH:

Oh, he was just really rude. He was really

obviously wasnt interested in interviewing us even slightly. He

--

he wasnt

--

--

he

didnt want us to be there.

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

I dontknowwhywe even--I dontknowwhywe agreedto do it

I dont know why we were asked to do it, and it was

DRUMMOND:

Okay.

DUNSWORTH:

it was really uncomfortable.

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those are all my questions.

DRUMMOND:

Okay. All right. Thats

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

Its abOut almost S to 12:00, I am just going to turn the audio off.

DUNSWORTH:

Okay.

DRUMMOND:

I am just-- Ill leave you here. I am just going to go turn the video

--

off though and Ill come back. Okay, just give me one second.

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CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIPT

I, Arlene Gorewicz, certify that this document is a true

and accurate transcript of the videotaped statement of

Sarah Dunsworth
on November 2Lt 2014
to the best of my skill and ability.

January28, 2016

Date

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