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JIAN GHONESHI
PROCEEDINGS
AT
TRIAL
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BEFORE THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE W.B. HORKINS
on February 11, 2016 at TORONTO, Ontario
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APPEARANCES:
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N.
Callaghan and C.
N.
Henein, 0. Robitaille,
and S. Walker
Langdori
(i)
Table of Contents
TABLE
OF
CONTENTS
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SUBMISSIONS OF MR.
CALLAGHAN
SUBMISSIONS OF MS.
ROBITAILLE
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SUBMISSIONS OF MS.
HENEIN
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CALLAGHAN
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Transcript Ordered:
February 11,
2016
Transcript Completed:
February 17,
2016
February 17,
2016
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LEGEND
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1.
R. v. Jian Ghomeshi
Proceedings at Trial
THURSDAY,
FEBRUARY 11,
MR.
2016
CALLAGHAN:
submissions,
5
Your Honour,
before I
commence
house.
MS.
HENEIN:
MR.
CALLAGHAN:
Right.
.
with.
MS.
10
HENEIN:
Thank you.
filed.
Theyve been
Exhibits 47,
48,
been marked.
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and 49 is
They are
Its
we
HENEIN:
THE COURT:
20
MS.
HENEIN:
Okay.
.
Thanks.
My friends in agreement with
that.
THE COURT:
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Thanks.
MR.
CALLAGHAN:
MS.
HENEIN:
I am,
Your Honour.
So,
just
for my friends...
THE COURT:
30
MS.
HENEIN:
Appreciate it.
..
Thank you.
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theyre
2.
Proceedings at Trial
CALLAGHAN:
MR.
Your Honour,
with my submissions,
before I commence
there is an outstanding
brought by the
obviously,
I can
assesses its
looking at the
So,
Your Honour
evidence.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was gonna
Thank you.
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SUBMISSIONS OF MR.
MR.
CALLAGHAN
CALLAGHAN:
Your Honour,
society is
individual.
of every
And,
Your Honour,
To similar
Canada in R.
v.
Ogg-Moss,
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3.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
sorry,
and it is
at the outset,
Your Honour,
Im going
judge.
cases.
Chase.
v.
case that
(1)
which
one.
circumstances,
it occurred,
the act,
the
the words,
gestures accompanying
the conduct,
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4.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
would be
relevant.
So,
we turn,
then,
Might
In looking at the
Ewanchuk,
touching,
contact,
and
(ii)
(iii)
The
It
20
of his
or her behaviour.
Ewanchuk
goes on to state
Sexual assault is a crime of general intent.
Therefore,
25
Justice LHeureux-Dub,
stated
30
5.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
saying
yes.
In Chase,
the course
...
Moreover,
there are
So,
the allegations
The
Ms.
described her
Ghomeshi as flirty.
It
sensual
Ms.
DeCoutere describes
Ghomeshis
while at Mr.
Ghomeshis
The
Ms.
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described
6.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
that,
bench,
mouth,
breathing.
5
Ghomeshi on a park
What Im gonna
do now,
Your
assaults,
starting with s.
Ms.
met Mr.
Christmas party.
context.
by Mr.
15
Mr.
Ghomeshi
After
talking to some of
Ghomeshis friends.
Mr.
When
Mr.
was parked,
minutes.
and
Mr.
Ghomeshi
on her shirt.
She refused.
and Mr.
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Ghomeshi then
7.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
reached around behind her head and grabbed her
hair really,
really hard.
Ms.
seconds.
5
He pulled
Mr.
He didnt say
Mr.
hair.
Ms.
described
After he stopped
remembered that
She was
something that
Mr.
She kissed
him again,
and he had
Ms.
She saw
This taping
her friend,
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went
8.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
with her.
We heard from
home,
to be a snow storm.
friendly,
Mr.
was a
and Ms.
In fact,
Ghomeshi
they
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and
Ms.
Ms.
they
So,
and Ms.
Ms.
talking,
wanted a drink.
flirting,
Ms.
warning,
They were
at this point,
three times.
Without
She was
kissing as well.
asked if
25
as
though.
and Mr.
He
She
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and
Ill call
9.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
you a cab.
demeanour.
and dark.
He three
Ms.
was
Im now gonna
evidence of Ms.
10
Mr.
DeCoutere.
by
Ghomeshi.
turn to the
Ms.
DeCoutere met
flirtatious.
he
Their
It was very
DeCoutere
Halifax,
When Ms.
DeCoutere returned to
Ghorneshi,
and they
20
Mr.
Ms.
Ghomeshi,
Ghomeshi,
the Danforth.
2003.
After dinner,
Ghomeshis house.
her shoulder,
30
As
the house,
declined.
but she
they
10.
Submissions of Mr.
were outside the
house,
he went on a tour.
his closet,
she described,
CaJ.laghan
and he started
10
mark.
was pushed up
There
paused,
and
He used enough
She
seem rude.
Ms.
DeCoutere
So,
or
Ghomeshis
Ms.
and she
disappointing,
to
Ms.
After
knew of Mr.
as her
Ghomeshi
was involved in
11.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
Fruvos.
In 2003, Ms.
moved to Toronto.
the
Park.
th
15
to
th
20
And we know
of 2003.
They had
Mr.
Ms.
Mr.
dinner.
Ghomeshi
and Mr.
The next
Ghomeshi met,
they had
and
park.
This time,
Ms.
had
She
out of it.
all
She
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12.
Submissions, of Mr.
up,
getting in a cab,
Callaghan
and leaving.
Chomeshi for up to
assault,
If Your
a reasonable doubt,
In doing so,
Delayed
I want to be clear.
is not required.
An expert
Honour is aware,
as Your
The complainants
v.
D.D.
that it is
13.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
in that case,
particulary children,
In R.
v.
L.K.,
It
It is
Ms.
was concerned
Ms.
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14.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
Ms.
DeCoutere
She
Id like to
I would suggest,
Your Honour,
R.
v.
G. (A.),
In
stated
Our court has rejected the notion that
complainants in sexual assault cases have a
higher tendency than other complainants to
30
ulterior motives
15.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
v.
Williams,
Court of Ontario,
5
Rather,
There
Any rules,
In assessing the
the timing of
A delay in
v.
W. (R.),
stated
Finally,
25
30
a stereotype
16.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
In fact,
the
10
assault in Mr.
tears.
15
Ghomeshis home.
She was in
It was without
and Ms.
and nice.
Ghomeshi.
and funny,
So,
she wrote
her body.
This
Ghomeshi.
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Turning to
17.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
Ms.
DeCoutere,
assaulted by Mr.
She testified in
s.
Ghomeshi in the
bizarre.
But again,
when
the characterization of
DeCoutere.
Ms.
DeCoutere
of nowhere.
happened to her.
charming,
engaging person.
Ghomeshi again.
They worked
Ms.
at times,
They ran
DeCoutere described
25
She
She testified
go overboard to make
In Ms.
DeCouteres mind,
she had a
Ghomeshi.
things.
there
18.
Submissions of Mr. Cailaghan
Ms.
DeCoutere.
Lastly is Ms.
Ms.
her
a Canadian musician.
She told
Ms.
was
and Mr.
Ms.
had a
Gonna
It is well established
especially
Also,
To the extent
and
Canada,
To the extent that the credibility assessment
demands a search for confirmatory evidence for
the testimony of a complaint,
such evidence
however, be
19.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
complainants account.
So,
Your Honour
assault
case:
the witnesses.
These
20
In assessing
Your
consider,
1.
and Im gonna
2.
and
20.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
testimony.
as Your Honour is
than reliability.
none,
Looking
Accordingly,
And,
similarly,
employ,
Your Honour,
is to look first
there
Second,
an assessment
to kinship,
Third,
hostility,
or selfinterest.
their
testimony,
and,
fourth,
when
or highly improbable.
So,
looking at
21.
Submissions of Mr.
Cailaghan
If one looks
looking at
met Mr.
we know
episodes.
Play episode,
sexual assaults,
Its
Mr.
January 2003.
challenged Ms.
Mr.
20
the car.
Ms.
Henein
s recollection that
In
it was admitted as
However,
And so,
the
should really
22.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
abundance of detail that would make the
cOmplainants version suspicious or
questionable.
Ms.
She
and we have to
When looking at
there
And Im going to
the
its
would
may be unusual to
Looking
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And I
23.
Submissions of Mr. Cailaghan
would
I anticipate there
One
and two,
In response to my
it is the
provided an
sorry.
Excuse me
that there
Bringing back
It took time,
there is no
To start with,
and to be clear,
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24.
Submissions of Mr.
burden.
But
credibility,
but,
Callaghan
in assessing Ms.
a number of alleged
about
With
On a number of
theres been
therefore,
these should
testified to new
20
is it
that Ms.
sent to Mr.
Ghomeshi despite
However,
when
She was
Ghomeshi,
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25.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
explanation.
10
Ms.
Ghomeshi
evidence,
it
DeCoutere.
Im gonna
turn now to
television industry.
Mr.
30
DeCoutere and
Ghomeshi,
Ms.
DeCoutere and
Ms.
DeCoutere
4
t
h
Ghomeshi
to
26.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
during that time period.
Mr.
DeCoutere and
relationship.
assault,
5
Ms.
Ms.
Chomeshi would
Ms.
As Id indicated before,
the
Im going to suggest
Your
looking at the
25
In looking at
Ms.
Ms.
Ms.
Ghomeshi as a reason to
Ms.
Ghomeshi
Ms.
DeCoutere
27.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
testified consistently that her personality
abhorred awkwardness,
comfortable with Mr.
for her.
5
Mr.
Ms.
Ms.
DeCoutere explained,
Ghomneshi.
in her mind,
But,
as
the post
Ms.
Ghomeshis home
DeCouteres
Ghomeshi.
It is
were happening
suggest to you,
Im going to
28.
Submissions of Mr.
person.
Callaghan
They relied
Ghomeshi.
Given the
it is
Ms.
Henein,
in crossexamination,
Certainly,
the line of
Ms.
Dunsworths
extensively on her
Ms.
collusion or tainting.
20
Ms.
choked by Mr.
When
Ms.
analysis,
Mr.
Ghomeshi.
was in the
as
29.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
in
Ms.
We know that
performed at the
festival in Toronto.
dance
There certainly is a
We know
to August the
in Vancouver and,
10
th
15
Ms.
details.
Understandably,
examination in court,
But,
and
in her
Ms.
examination.
Despite this,
she clearly
Ms.
smothering her,
Given how candid
did recall,
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30.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
of the confirmatory evidence supporting her
account.
10
was
youll recall,
wasnt a reenactment;
Your Honour
rather,
that
And,
in
Your Honour,
similarly,
I would
Turning to
its
In terms of
with respect to
a number of alleged
occasions,
misquotes.
of
about
On a number of
31.
Submissions of Mr.
Callaghan
It is also
s credibility will
Its
Again,
Ms.
was crossexamined
Ms.
DeCoutere.
1,
Mr.
Ghomeshi,
and 2,
the
the
(ph),
Ghomeshi,
DeCoutere.
These
and it
32.
Submissions of Mr. CaJ.laghan
to vent,
to support,
They
they
experience.
And I think,
10
credibility,
submission.
Henein will
s late
park, Ms.
She initially
But I
Chomeshi.
Ms.
in
that explanation.
Your Honour,
of these proceedings,
in the course
33.
Submissions of Mr. Callaghan
about reliability and credibility of some of
the witnesses in the case.
of fact,
as the trier
shouldnt
5
But,
that
Your Honour
15
Ghomeshi sexually
assaulted
Lucy DeCoutere,
and
Ms.
Ghomeshi.
Ghomeshi
Ms.
Ghomeshi,
in the course of
Ms.
And
The evidence on
34.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
these key points
alleged
was steadfast.
Those are my
submissions,
Your Honour.
MS.
Your Honour,
HENEIN:
Im wondering if I
CALLAGHAN:
THE COURT:
Sure.
Well do that.
10
RECESS
UPON
RESUMING:
MS.
15
HENEIN:
Thank you,
Your Honour.
Just so
Im gonna
not.
So,
well proceed.
SUBMISSIONS OF MS.
MS.
30
Thank you.
ROBITAILLE
ROBITAILLE:
Your Honour,
thats how
there is a
Clerk.
Thank you.
ROBITAILLE:
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35.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
for Your Honour.
it in order or in detail,
And so,
I will
Ms.
The
that Ms.
Youll
gave a
And,
she
When speaking
Ghomeshi.
So,
And to be clear,
36.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
that they were not being intimate or anything.
When she spoke to police, Ms.
initially told a similar story of this reaching
over and hair pulling but,
5
she ultimately
Finally,
at
Ms.
at
she was
before or
So,
she
She
another inconsistency.
25
trial,
this?
pulling.
that it
she said
And so,
Your Honour.
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also,
not
37.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
insignificantly,
this
Do you like
She cannot
Those inconsistencies,
Your
And it also,
in my respectful submission,
1
s
t,
Ms.
At some point
and it
reversed this
this
30
38.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
complainant has counsel and has met with the
Crown Attorneys.
to
to the police
10
radio,
the police,
a head smash.
of
Your Honour,
story,
the
the CBC,
she told
on TV,
on the
from it but,
So,
again,
She resiled
only in crossexamination,
And when
indicated that,
20
she was
the quote
that explanation
and this
this
telling
that Ms.
while
was adamant
that she did not tell police that her hair was
pulled towards the back of the seat.
Ms.
39.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
described to police,
Ms.
significant
Ms.
Ms.
in
In terms of
she
and
somewhat unchallenged,
was
Ms.
Ultimately,
what she
And,
when Ms.
1-lenein put to
not remember,
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40.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
prong of the defence challenge to the
account of what happens in the car,
this
youll
witness stand
trial,
She
these inconsistencies,
it is appropriate,
respectful submission,
in my
She has
cetera.
And so,
Honour sometimes
25
Ghomeshis show,
the colleagues
the weather,
her clothing,
et
as Your
house.
Ms.
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41.
Submissions of Ms.
Robitaille
Your Honour.
for her,
her
In my
We know
The
the witness
And I ask
respect and care and she was not judged and the
process was a lot easier than she thought.
And so,
Ms.
were so significant,
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that every
42.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
time she heard Mr.
on the television,
turn it
And just
Your Honour,
the
just
the
S
It is not
What it
Honour
et cetera.
That
he had not
-
and Mr.
2 and 3,
sent to Mr.
that
Ghomeshi.
They were
Ghomeshi again,
him on TV,
indeed saw
police.
And so,
And what
Ghomeshi to
These are the
never disclosed to
when Your Honour looks at what
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the
the
43.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
significance aligns perfectly with the
witnesss own paradigm.
this event
that evidence
was false.
The witness,
explanation,
15
Your Honour.
Thats
And,
in my
this
anger.
Callaghan
Ms.
-
And then,
Henein
mail,
this
this
and Ms.
correct Ms.
when
e-mail, Ms.
30
in cross-examination,
I didnt say
I said it was an e
And let me
let me show
44.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
in Ms.
s evidence.
at page 50.
THE COURT:
5
MS.
Your
Got it.
ROBITAILLE:
Henein was
And,
if I could just
Yes.
I didnt remember.
Answer.
That.
Question.
did remember.
Answer.
No.
statement.
20
and I
and all
Ghomeshi to phone me so
that
The
Your
is evidence that
45.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
them.
She telegraphed
Callaghan,
corrected Ms.
Heriein at the
And so,
the
in fact,
the two
the two
of
Obviously,
Ghomeshi afterwards,
the
that she
as she told
trying
in my respectful submission,
And
should cause
especially the
In my respectful submission,
Ms.
s
If I can
Here
Youll recall
th
26
and
46.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
beginning of December.
Ms.
And,
in that period,
before
she is
We
DeCoutere,
case.
significantly,
And,
over the
the life
actually, a bit
from October 29 to
DeCoutere.
And
told
of their allegation.
yes,
in fact,
Ms.
they
their
spoke
the process of
They
urged Ms.
They shared a
47.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
publicist and they shared a lawyer.
Hnatiw was Ms.
met with Ms.
2015.
Ms.
Gillian
in the spring of
that she
s statement
Ghomeshi.
Honour,
10
expressed by Ms.
Your
Ghomeshi cooked,
These
Callaghan,
in his submissions,
and even
indicated
submission, Ms.
In my respectful
s description of the
And,
They are
she qualified
of the events.
They
By the time
48.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
she gets to the witness box,
Honour,
neck.
Your
of course,
seconds.
But when
what she
happened.
And,
in my respectful submission,
added that,
prior to
she was
Ghomeshi.
That
added at trial.
the following:
I dont really feel like theres anything to
press charges against,
you know?
Your Honour.
Honour,
with Mr.
of her allegations.
Ms.
30
So,
testified that,
in the park,
again,
Your
two things.
wanted to be in public.
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She
she
49.
Submissions of Ms. Robitai].le
police,
So,
and only
So,
Mr.
Ghomeshi,
and only
feeling unsafe,
to
examination.
as a professional email,
And she
Mr.
Ghomeshi.
And,
Your Honour,
sent February
after
th,
24
or a year
2004,
actually,
Ms.
addresses Mr.
Princess.
open,
Your Honour.
and
The
Ghomeshi as Hiya
50.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
the
In my
Ms.
fuck Ghomeshi,
et cetera.
And
months
Ghomeshi 7
him away.
15
evidence,
Your Honour,
respectful submission,
of Ms.
and
and,
in my
difference.
Ms.
explained to police
on
Ghomeshi,
third occasion,
Theyre electronic.
And
Your Honour.
to go
So,
51.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
over exactly what the dates were,
they go,
cetera.
And the
with me,
the witness,
where did
under oath,
And,
et
is
if you turn up
Exhibit 46,
which is the
Yeah,
ROBITAILLE:
chronology,
10
there.
So,
Thanks.
Ms.
If you go to
Right.
ROBITAILLE:
2015,
in May,
February
2
n
d,
in August,
2016,
in February of
in January,
and on
And,
for
or
that
Ms.
and that
And
February 2,
preparing to testify,
4
t
h,
revealing that,
police,
public,
that,
in fact,
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52.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
she took him home,
interaction,
her bed.
In my respectful submission,
that
So,
Ms.
But
she maintained for some period in her crossexamination the reason she didnt disclose it
was because they simply didnt ask the right
question.
20
and
ultimately,
with Mr.
And so,
Ms.
Your Honour,
again,
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here,
the
just as
the submission
53.
Submissions of Ms.
Robitaille
interaction.
10
She testified
15
I ask you,
Your Honour,
to
20
Ghomeshi.
And,
as a
25
Finally,
Ms.
IDeCoutere.
Ms.
Dunsworth,
Ms.
Dunsworths evidence
in relation to
Your Honour.
Her evidence
DeCouteres evidence.
And theres a
in her statement,
Dunsworths statement,
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54.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
she receives this disclosure from Ms.
DeCoutere
Dunsworths recollection of
and
Ms.
to it,
What
in the
she was.
of hearing
later exhibits,
10
Thats
And so,
Ms.
DeCoutere,
that Ms.
Your Honour.
Youll recall
examination,
of course,
And,
in cross
Ms.
Kuttner,
police,
st
31
on October
rolling.
And so,
even
And
reluctant,
Dude,
DeCoutere
in cross-examination.
Ms.
She
with my background,
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I literally feel
55.
Submissions of Ms.
Robitaille
no shit.
I invite the
media shit.
She expressed to Ms.
5
Ms.
DeCoutere too
And
But,
in chief,
kissing.
kissing
the house,
advances,
Ghomeshis
shes kissing
goodnight.
Your Honour,
you know,
And
Of course,
56.
Submissions of Ms.
house,
Robitaille
nothing stuck.
shirts by colour,
but she
that
the assault,
in chief,
25
In terms of the
submission,
in my respectful
she had a clear
two slaps,
a pause,
and a
This was
To police,
57.
Submissions of Ms. Robitail].e
jumbled and I quote I dont remember the
order of events.
and providing a
16 months
a flowing version.
there
Ghomeshi.
there was a
And,
-
Ms.
2016,
a
It was on
that
to the Crowns
statement of fact
contact.
about postincident
as with
statement.
And so,
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Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
the stand before Your Honour,
She told
and thats,
in fact,
And
So,
really,
you go
this
contact with
Mr.
Ghomeshi.
And then,
a series
and 15.
Your Honour,
but
In examination-in-chief and
Ms.
DeCoutere talked
14,
Ghomeshi
to the
59.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
Mr.
And youll
Exhibit 14
is an e-mail
you in my mind.
10
no,
no,
Mr.
Ghomeshi;
his show.
But,
watch
as youll see,
Ghomeshi is all
where Ms.
DeCoutere tells
And again,
here,
youll recall,
Your
no,
She
that,
she had
Ghomeshi.
And youll
In chief,
Ghomeshi in Banff in
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Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
she was scared he didnt have any friends there
arid didnt know anyone,
to feel badly.
emals,
5
So,
Exhibits 17 to 21,
Ghomeshi.
DeCoutere wanted to
even when he
DeCoutere wanted
Ghomeshi because,
What
she
and she
Honour,
Your
the witness
friendship.
And so,
that Ms.
Ghomeshi.
DeCoutere
That
And so,
I
the
DeCoutere,
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16
61.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
talks about the flowers and Banff.
But shes
she
35,
36,
and 37
and
were conflicted,
10
my respectful submission,
And,
in
this witness
And
Exhibits 35,
And also,
Your Honour,
And so,
if you
And Im nearing
Your Honour.
And
Ghomeshi.
paragraph is
I think you are magic,
30
you.
you,
I am realizing that,
61.
Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
rake.
And there,
And that is
Ms.
Mr.
And,
in my respectful
I think.
You challenge me
sometime,
Lucy DeCoutere.
Your Honour,
my respectful submission,
should be assessed.
that goes
4
t
h
And,
in
and that
non-consent.
Your Honour,
And
in
Ghomeshi,
but,
in fact,
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Submissions of Ms. Robitaille
And youll see a lot of that in the letter she
sends him as well.
exhibit,
37.
2003,
again
court.
Honour,
Your
your hands.
I love
pull it up.
THE COURT:
MS.
15
July
ROBITAILLE:
th,
9
2003,
This
this witness,
writes to Mr.
last paragraph,
Okay.
on
Shomeshi,
in the
of the assault,
I am sad we didnt spend the night together.
I could have been more open with you than in
20
I find
Lucy.
That is how she signs off her letter to
Mr.
25
Ghomeshi,
events.
wrote Mr.
Ms.
Your Honour,
DeCoutere
is
what is
on the question
sexual interest,
in
64.
Submissions of Ms.
Mr.
Ghomeshi.
Robitaille
Your Honour.
And Ms.
Henein
Okay.
HENEIN:
Thank you.
[Indiscernible]
Im in your
hands.
THE COURT:
Now,
15
if were
go straight through.
well
HENEIN:
THE COURT:
SUBMISSIONS OF MS.
20
I was gonna
MS.
Well be done.
Okay.
HENEIN
HENEIN:
book.
So,
principles that,
in my submission,
are relevant
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And
65.
Submissions of Ms.
Henein
Lifchus,
tab 10.
doubt.
5
the reason
At paragraph 13,
It
20
tragic errors.
with all
of criminal justice.
of course,
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Submissions of Ms.
on that,
Henein
my respectful submission,
in
DeCoutere.
and that is
insensible,
incapable of resistance.
that for you,
unconscious or
And,
And,
to highlight
in that judgment,
the provision is
So,
25
And similarly,
it is sidebarred,
is Tab 2,
Cook.
in this case,
the wall,
30
and
hands around
And so,
two slaps,
a stop,
67.
Submissions of Ms. Henein
another offence.
that the
So,
there is a distinction
this
even if believed,
witness insensible,
resistance.
unconscious or incapable of
in my respectful submission, my
So,
And we have
and Chase,
which is actually
which have
Im not gonna
in
doubt.
please,
to
68.
Submissions of Ms.
Ewanchuk at tab 4.
Henein
so,
evidence.
in her
place.
And then,
if the trial
established.
20
And so,
25
The accuseds
30
is not relevant.
mistaken belief.
69.
Submissions of Ms.
Henein
Im gonna
in this case,
come
There is no
Ghomeshi
as the
In our
as my friend fairly
Credibility in
And so,
as a general rule,
should be kept in
It is impermissible to assume
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Submissions of Ms.
that,
Henein
he or she is morelikely
A concocted statement
concocted.
for example,
that Ms.
says
But,
of course,
that
Then,
of
aha,
dealing with
and I apologize.
And so,
thats really
the
Thirdly,
30
the
contrary
the absence of
nor is
There is no
71.
Stibmissions of Ms.
Henein
in some cases,
So,
We see
So,
in my respectful
these facts,
on
These witnesses,
as
were able
And by dates,
I mean
testifying about.
friend.
And,
So,
is of no assistance because,
of course,
unless
But,
courts,
thats just
theyre unshaken
maintained,
in other words,
as they will,
understandably,
And so,
saying
that they
of course,
reliability of their
where does one look?
of these witnesses.
Well,
the extraordinary
So,
72.
Submissions of Ms.
Henein
do it because,
cases,
in my
from the court in
And they didnt
of explanations,
trial,
submission.
th
11
In this
hour before
in my respectful
15
evidence,
because,
apparent,
that
their own
independently,
truth on February
d
2
or
4
t
h
or at all.
hear the
You
explanations,
Mr.
Ms.
These
are
Callaghan
And,
of course,
relevance,
as
is a
73.
Submissions of Ms.
Henein
relevance of evidence
So,
this case,
5
It is,
that,
and 2,
We know
in certain
in
10
And,
That is
That is
Ms.
She puts it up as
the type of
in response to
We
DeCoutere.
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That
74
Submissions of Ms.
Henein
Ms.
was the
people to behave.
witness,
10
and the
The second
as a
which
It is perhaps
The
And,
their explanation
Now,
and it
The oath is
tell the
75.
Submissions of Ms.
truth.
Henein
So,
And it has
courtroom,
and lie
And,
as
perhaps most
as you will,
explanations provided,
Because,
at the
to rely on the
This
Our
and it
So,
on that,
which is a
And,
76.
Submissions of Ms.
sorry,
Your Honour.
THE COURT:
GOt it.
Henein
MS.
HENEIN:
Is
Thank you.
One
The ends
If a careless disregard
the
the law
it is
25
That is why
The credibility of a
And so,
to that
77.
Submissions of Ms.
M.G.
found at
tab 12,
Henein
your indulgence,
at paragraph 23,
please
whether on
expected.
This is
unlikely to be mistaken,
The
are relevant.
in my respectful submission,
this case.
In our courts,
that is so in
and
Testimony is judged on
whether
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Submissions of Ms.
Henein
and the
No witness enjoys a
still exist.
And,
and they
in my respectful submission,
So,
my respectful submission,
in
to ask this
My friend has
relevant,
for example,
behaviour,
on delayed disclosure.
All of that
It is not new,
25
and
But
1
s
t
our
As we know,
profoundly committed,
and the
such as
Justice LHeureux-Dub,
such as Justice
Chief
79.
Submissions of Ms. Henein
thoughtful way.
But,
as my friend conceded
and I agree,
My friend has
self-professed experts.
D.D.,
Neither Ms.
nor Ms.
nor Ms.
DeCoutere
with
no power
People
80.
Submissions of Ms.
police,
Henein
to the prosecutors,
There is
Now,
you may
Ms.
Ms.
Ghomeshi and
Ms.
did not
So,
this
If,
the
20
in my respectful
say Oh,
What
gee.
Thats
That type
Most troubling,
as we said at the
81.
Submissions of Ms.
Renein
and Ms.
the
DeCoutere
application.
admissible,
which
its
as in the
This is evidence
Now,
because nothing is
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Submissions of Ms.
Henein
Witnesses testify.
tested.
Sometimes,
it is not.
judge.
it.
it is believed.
Sometimes,
Now,
obviously,
Honour noted,
10
Their evidence is
as Your
But I guess
said this:
15
by their nature,
attract
In our society,
the
where
that
And,
it
It is so
Its our
Ghomeshi is not
83.
Submissions in Reply of Mr. Cailaghan
guilty and that he is entitled to an acquittal
on all counts.
Okay.
Thank you.
Callaghan?
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SUBMISSIONS IN REPLY OF MR.
MR.
CALLAGHAN
CALLAGHAN:
Obviously,
Your Honour,
but
Robitaille,
the actual
not having a
Ms.
Ms.
allegation
Ms.
she
the circumstance,
Ghomesh asked
84.
Submissions in Reply of Mr.
Callaghan
obviously,
DeCoutere.
So,
pieces of evidence.
and
In relation
Ms.
That is
allegations or
Ms.
in my
or collusion.
And I think
It
it rebuts the
if,
in fact,
But
Your Honour
or
Ms.
If Your
it buttresses
same event
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Submissions in Reply of Mr. Callaghan
to allege that somehow Ms.
Ms.
and
the statement to
Ms Dunsworth previously.
And I think it is
Brief indulgence,
Your Honour.
Well,
in a number of
Ms.
But I think
submit Ms.
Ghomeshis
and I would
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Submissions in Reply of Mr.
pulling,
pushing,
Callaghan
Chomeshi.
if any.
indulgence.
submissions.
10
THE COURT:
All right.
Well,
it wont come as
15
the
th
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MR.
CALLAGHAN:
this courtroom,
doing.
And I think
and I
And it is in
that time.
THE COURT:
20
March the
MR.
Right.
th
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CALLAGHAN:
MATTER
So,
we will reconvene on
for judgment,
then.
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