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willll162904
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So im trying to pick out loop parts for my dream win your rig contest and since this would be my first loop ever im having a little bit of trouble. Obviously the chances of me getting this is slim but it's more to help me understand the whole market of loop parts for when i do make my first in a couple years, at most. So i really am in love with the corsair 600T White case but with it's limited rad capacity without modding plus the unnecessary IMO fan controller i've decided against it. I really do like the 750D so that;s what i will be going with. I'm looking to cool at least my cpu, with the rest of the money i have to reach 2500. I've used 2,133.00. I don't have too much left but i can definately set up a solid cpu only loop with that price, and maybe a gpu too. I will never really be going dual gpu i think, but then if i do this case has the mounting. I've heard a good rule of thumb is 120mm for every component being cooled + 120 = how many mm of rad you will need. Technically if i was going cpu only i would need a 360, but thats weak ;p. I would prefer to be able to add a gpu into this loop eventually, and only have to buy fittings and a block. So the rad mounts for this case is as follows: top: 360mm rad, or 280mm bottom: 240mm front: 240mm or 280mm back: 120mm or 140mm So my first question would be. What would be the best place to start as a rad for just cpu? I was thinking 360 on top, and a 280 in the front. Would that be crazy overkill for gpu and cpu? Would i be fine with just running a 360mm and a 140mm on the back, then just filling all the other slots with fans? or should i go 360mm + 240mm to be safe? i want a good balance of performance, but preferably keeping the price down. I could go all out and get the best rad(s), and the best cpu block and just run a cpu loop for the money. Also one more question. How come in most loops people run from rad to component, to componenet, (maybe one more) then to rad. Wouldn't it be better to dissipate the heat in the water directly after it hits the first component? Like if it was just a cpu and gpu loop wouldn't going res, pump, rad, cpu, rad, gpu, rad. Is there something about performance that doesnt make it work well or is it to save money? Because wouldn't it be bad to have water go to the cpu the heat up then to the gpu where you want it to cool? or does it take in the same amount of heat to where it doesnt matter? Since most loops ive seen have gone cpu, gpu, rad. Thanks!
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JackNaylorPE
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For a CPU ... calculate the TDP by overclocking ya CPU here .... input voltage and speed to get ya wattage. http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp Let's say 145 watts for a 4770k
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11/2/13 at 8:52pm
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Your water is getting pumped really quickly through the loop, so there is not much difference in heat between component and rad no matter how the loop is organized. It delivers heat out of the system pretty efficiently, so it does not matter much whether your rads are all together, inbetween components or on either side. Now, for CPU you can as well use two 120mm rads (or one 240mm). For one CPU and one GPU you would do three 120mm rads or one 360, and that would be enough to keep you safe. Adding much more would make little difference, but if you are seriously thinking about filling up your rad space, you could put the 360mm on top and 140mm on the back. For 1cpu+1gpu that would be a total overkill, but hey, you could get some nice OC on that if you delid the chips.
Keep your intake in the bottom and do not rely on the front very much as an intake if you have hdds there, because they will both break the air flow and heat the air up.
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willll162904
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Quote: Originally Posted by KYKYLLIKA Your water is getting pumped really quickly through the loop, so there is not much difference in heat between component and rad no matter how the loop is organized. It delivers heat out of the system pretty efficiently, so it does not matter much whether your rads are all together, inbetween components or on either side. Now, for CPU you can as well use two 120mm rads (or one 240mm). For one CPU and one GPU you would do three 120mm rads or one 360, and that would be enough to keep you safe. Adding much more would make little difference, but if you are seriously thinking about filling up your rad space, you could put the 360mm on top and 140mm on the back. For 1cpu+1gpu that would be a total overkill, but hey, you could get some nice OC on that if you delid the chips. Keep your intake in the bottom and do not rely on the front very much as an intake if you have hdds there, because they will both break the air flow and heat the air up. So i would be totally fine running cpu and gpu under a 360 rad? Any specific recs on what rad? Ive heard that xspc makes the best atm. Also, do you think i could get parts for cpu and gpu for my budget? or better off getting the best of the best just running cpu. And one more question ;p where is the best place to mount the pump in that case, preferably out of sight, and also do i need a pump top if i went mcp
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11/3/13 at 6:53am
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KYKYLLIKA
Quote: Originally Posted by willll162904 So i would be totally fine running cpu and gpu under a 360 rad? Any specific recs on what rad? Ive heard that xspc makes the best atm. Also, do you think i could get parts for cpu and gpu for my budget? or better off getting the best of the best just running cpu. And one more question ;p where is the best place to mount the pump in that case, preferably out of sight, and also do i need a pump top if i went mcp
I honestly have no first-hand experience with MCP, but I do not expect them to require a top. I do not think they are different from any of the commonplace pumps in that you just put tubing on the nozzles and they start moving water from one side to another. With only one gpu in the 600T there should be plenty of room anywhere to put a pump. You can even mount it with Velcro strips on the bottom floor. It is generally a good idea to keep your pump low and the
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JackNaylorPE
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Quote: Originally Posted by willll162904 So i would be totally fine running cpu and gpu under a 360 rad? Any specific recs on what rad? Ive heard that xspc makes the best atm. Also, do you think i could get parts for cpu and gpu for my budget? or better off getting the best of the best just running cpu. And one more question ;p where is the best place to mount the pump in that case, preferably out of sight, and also do i need a pump top if i went mcp
Best is hard to define .... performance, pricing, aesthetics...... what is important to you ? I chose Alphacool NexXxoS rads in my build for the following reasons -One of the few all copper rads -7 connection points: (2) Top, (2) Bottom, (2) side, (1) opposite side -Screw Protectors (so ya can't damage fins connecting fans) -Wide Range of sizes ....120, 240, 360, 480, 140, 280, 420, 560mm -Wide Range of thicknesses .... 30, 45, 60, 80 mm -6 sets of copper screws provided -5 copper plugs provided -Suitable for low speed fans -Very reasonably priced -Tops charts over at martinsliquidlab.org from 1,000 - 2,200 rpm http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/12/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-360-radiator/ As to the rest .... 1. what GPU ? Makes a huge difference whether we're talking a stock 760 @ 170 watts or say a OC'd 290x @ well over 300 watts 2. What fan rpm ? More speed = more performance = more noise..... I prefer 1250 rpm..... might do 1800 rpm in extreme performance session. What speed / noise are you comfortable with 3. Fans in push pull or just one (< 1500 rpm pull / > 1500 rpm push) Again this is related to above..... I estimated from martins archive site that P/P adds about 21% performance to a single fan .... so a 2nd fan is more important than rad thickness which is tops 5% (@ 2200 rpm) and usually 2-3% at 1250 rpm 4. What thickness can you accommodate ? A UT60 is 60 mm thick add 25mm for each fan and you're at 110mm in P/P ... does that fit ? You only lose 5 watts going to a UT45 from a UT60 according to martins site. Let's assume a single overclocked GTX 780 @ 290 watts (230 stock) Take ya 145 watts from the CPU, add 290 watts..... (Assuming nothing else being water cooled (no MoBo, no memory) and add say 15 watts for the pump and ya at 450 watts The UT60 x 360 @ 1800 rpm provides 269 watts of cooling (XSPC is 13 % less at 235) with a delta T (difference between water temp in loop and ambient) of 10C which will dissipate 60% of ya heat load (269 / 450) which isn't bad at all. Remember Martin tests only the radiator's dissipation..... additional heat is dissipated thru the radiator shroud on the sides, tubing, fittings and the components themselves to the air inside the case. Remember also that 10C is designated as a "high end" WC system.....20C is mid range. At 15C, you'd be half way between mid and high range and that would be about 400 watts of cooling. But.... since if as you said, you are talking a couple of years off ..... everything we have discussed here, other than general concepts, is out the window cause: 1. All the wattages of components will have changed. 2. Radiators and case from factors are likely to undergo changes.... Enthoo chassis and other new ides will change how things happen going forward. If you are looking to win a contest BTW, that's the case Id be using.
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willll162904
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Quote: Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE Best is hard to define .... performance, pricing, aesthetics...... what is important to you ? I chose Alphacool NexXxoS rads in my build for the following reasons
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-One of the few all copper rads -7 connection points: (2) Top, (2) Bottom, (2) side, (1) opposite side -Screw Protectors (so ya can't damage fins connecting fans) -Wide Range of sizes ....120, 240, 360, 480, 140, 280, 420, 560mm -Wide Range of thicknesses .... 30, 45, 60, 80 mm -6 sets of copper screws provided -5 copper plugs provided -Suitable for low speed fans -Very reasonably priced -Tops charts over at martinsliquidlab.org from 1,000 - 2,200 rpm http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/12/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-360-radiator/ As to the rest .... 1. what GPU ? Makes a huge difference whether we're talking a stock 760 @ 170 watts or say a OC'd 290x @ well over 300 watts 2. What fan rpm ? More speed = more performance = more noise..... I prefer 1250 rpm..... might do 1800 rpm in extreme performance session. What speed / noise are you comfortable with 3. Fans in push pull or just one (< 1500 rpm pull / > 1500 rpm push) Again this is related to above..... I estimated from martins archive site that P/P adds about 21% performance to a single fan .... so a 2nd fan is more important than rad thickness which is tops 5% (@ 2200 rpm) and usually 2-3% at 1250 rpm 4. What thickness can you accommodate ? A UT60 is 60 mm thick add 25mm for each fan and you're at 110mm in P/P ... does that fit ? You only lose 5 watts going to a UT45 from a UT60 according to martins site. Let's assume a single overclocked GTX 780 @ 290 watts (230 stock) Take ya 145 watts from the CPU, add 290 watts..... (Assuming nothing else being water cooled (no MoBo, no memory) and add say 15 watts for the pump and ya at 450 watts The UT60 x 360 @ 1800 rpm provides 269 watts of cooling (XSPC is 13 % less at 235) with a delta T (difference between water temp in loop and ambient) of 10C which will dissipate 60% of ya heat load (269 / 450) which isn't bad at all. Remember Martin tests only the radiator's dissipation..... additional heat is dissipated thru the radiator shroud on the sides, tubing, fittings and the components themselves to the air inside the case. Remember also that 10C is designated as a "high end" WC system.....20C is mid range. At 15C, you'd be half way between mid and high range and that would be about 400 watts of cooling. But.... since if as you said, you are talking a couple of years off ..... everything we have discussed here, other than general concepts, is out the window cause: 1. All the wattages of components will have changed. 2. Radiators and case from factors are likely to undergo changes.... Enthoo chassis and other new ides will change how things happen going forward. If you are looking to win a contest BTW, that's the case Id be using. ok il do a lot of research on martins lab stuff when the time comes. I just want to get the main stuff down so when that time comes i know what im doing ;p. Whats the biggest difference with rad thickenss? and what really is the reasons you cant accomodate the thickest rad. obviously space but are they much more expensive? It seems if i get a good thick 360 rad il be good for cpu and gpu. For reference the gpu i would win if i was to win the contest atm is a 780 dual acx classified. I would overclock it as far as possible pretty much on stock volts, then over time over volt it probably when i want a little more performance. cpu i would pretty much try to max my oc on aswell with an i7 4770K. For ocing im not talking 5+ ghz but anywhere over 4.2-3 would be great. 4.5 would be ideal anywhere higher would be gravy. For fans i would be running either a pull config since it seems to be good and linus tech tips made videos on why he likes that, or push pull if it makes a large difference. Of course my case would have positive pressure so with that case the intakes (though blocked partially by hdds) would be the dual 140mm in the front and maybe some fans intaking from the bottom, exhausting from the back and top. or maybe just the top.
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