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•• Event: Interview
MEMORANDUM

with Fonner
FOR THE RECORD

FAA Special Ageni... -'

Type of event: Briefing, Interview

Date: August 18, 2003

Special Access Issues: None

Prepared by: John Raidt

Team Number: 7
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Location: Falmouth, MA :Z
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lerved as a Soecial Azent with the FAA in Bo~ton.l I

..... .....Isaid that problems at Logan and Boston were well known.

He indicated that-on April.2ih, 2001 Joe Lawless the Mas$p~~' Director of Public .S·~fety
wrote a memo to Massportabout terrorist organizations w,~h des to Logan, Airport.

~~~"",,!,,"- .... lq~1ieves\tQ.at th~\nemo included a recommendation that the airport assess
checkpoint security because ofthese terrorist links. ... .

I ~~dicate<l that there were two other documents; besides the Lawless memo
that the commission should obtain. "'Qne was a document produced by ACI discussing g
the existence of extremistIslamic organizations operating ;1n Boston. ,/,'

A second document dis~uss~ci"a,~n~'~n rerrorist who wqr~ed as a baggage handler at


Logan that the airport was unable-to fire because of civjlIiberty issues.] ..... .....
suggested that perhaps the indiv'iQ~~d"~,a~"CQ.~ducting SjUfveill!lCe,,~pe'rations .

...... .....Iindi<:.ated that Mr. Lawless'lIad'-'p'roposed Hoing-'~Dd~~cover work at Logan


particularly to assess·'the.c.l:l~.~~points.1 ~~ld ttJi,~,idea was "shot down" by
Jane Garvey and the FSD Steve-LUP~~?: \J
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• l.said they were afraid that State Police testing would show terrible problems
at the checkpoints. Apparently, Ms. Garvey was interviewed on this issue on PBS .

..... .....k~'dicated that there were people in positions of authority at FAA security
who did not have the necessary experience and qualifications, and that because of this
many "cases" were dropped because they weren't acted upon in a timel fashion. He
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_~~~_ .... '\i'~also believes that there is significant fiscal mismanagement at FAA
now TSA .

.....__ ~~hndicai~d that all the testing at Boston Logan was conducted in the first
quarter of the 'year to.get it out of the way. He agreed that the predictable tempo of the
testing led to complacency among screeners and managers for the remaining three-
quarters of the year. .,\".
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..... ~ugg'¢sted ih'~t the Commission review the Employee Attitude Survey at the
CASFO in Boston.and review the FOX 25 undercover report about Boston checkpoint
problems. .... \. \"\"


He also suggested""tha~"',,~et~,l~~ td ~t the Boston CASFO about
problems in that office .....
He suggests we ask her about the role of "customer service" in
regard to security op~raiipns .........
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He indicated the Mary'Carol T~i'~no was unqualified for her job and that this lack of
qualification and trainin'~ hU,~ se¢,\rity. !

Other aviation security probl~msl ..., Icited include:

--TSA spokespeople say toomuch ~bout the d~tails of our securit s stem that tells
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=Federal Air Marshals have a chat-room .... on the internet called a FAM BOARD. He says
the cite is publicly accessible and gi'ye's inforrnad:on about security that terrorists and
other criminals don't need to know. I t.vill provide the URL for us.
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2) WILLY GRIPPER, Directo·tQ,fOperations·'··' ..... ,,<::::: ..
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DOCUMENTS TO REVIEW

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lsuggest we obtain the following documents:

1) Quarterly Review and Status Report for the Northeast Division, including the
employee attitude study.
2) Carter Commission report Documents to obtain
3) "COMPREHENSIVE'INSPECTION SURVEY FOR 1998 and 1999;
4) LA WLESS MEMO ON ISLAMIC TERRORISTS IN BOSTON
5) LA WLESS MEMO ON UNDERCOVER SYSTEM ASSESSMENT
6) LIST OF DROPPED CASES AT BOSTON THAT WERE NEVER LOOKED
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7) An ACI document discussing extremist Islamic organizations operating in Boston.

~1..... ....Fd I discussed several ideas to improve aviation security including,

1) Independent Red Teams


2) Walk and talk teams (like they now have at Boston) who are trained in behaving
pattern assessment.
3) Congressional requirement that after every red team report TSA will describe


their remedial steps.
4) Measures to ensure that management doesn't "fear" red team reports as an
embarrassment, but rather as an important measurement tool.
5) Training and experience requirements for TSA managers (just like we have for
screen ers ).

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