Pages From C147216-02X - March 15th, 2011 - Navy Tried To Get Dosimeters For All Sailors On USS Ronald Reagan After Fukushima Disaster

Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
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Japan's Fukushima Daiichi PMT State Interface Audio Files
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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
JAPAN'S FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI PMT STATE INTERFACE AUDIO FILES
TUESDAY, MARCH 15, 2011
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2 1 2 3 4 5 0%CS53% 03865094 (CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED) AUTOMATED ANNOUNCEMENT: Welcome. You
have reached the audio conferencing system.
After the
tone, enter your conference pass code followed by the pound key. Thank you. MALE PARTICIPANT: Rich (phonetic), unless
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you've heard something different than that, that's the only thing that I know of that we're sending in.
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RICH: policy discussions,
No.
I mean,
there are some ongoing
Julie,
about how we would refine
to a specific request for medical countermeasures from Japan, but nothing per se about dosimeters or dosimetry. And in fact, in I don't believe we have
I mean,
terms of external dosimeters, although I can't
in the Strategic National Stockpile, say that with absolute certainty. CINDY JONES: Okay.
Hi, this is Cindy Jones
with the NRC just joining you. JULIE BENTZ: have you here. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: Hi, Yes. Julie. Yes. Cindy, great, wonderful to
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capability for our own, I've kind of defined it
the U.S.
folks that are --
and
as the responder,
the folks who
are going into the problem set. So you know, right now we've got people flying over the areas in search and rescue, you know. Those
are the kind of things we need to be certain that we're

capturing
--
CINDY JONES:
JULIE BENTZ:
Right.
-what the doses are.
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CINDY JONES:
It's
my understanding that
the DOE RAP Team, the 32-person team has dosimeters with them. They have also KI as do the people that we sent
over, the total of eight that are over there have dosimeters and KI. The discussion this morning with Naval
Reactors and crew talked about the request that came out of this morning's briefing with the White House and the Chairman regarding, I think it was the Ronald Reagan had indicated that Admiral, that they wanted to make
sure that they had dosimetry for the people that were employed on the ship. They just have some dosimeters.
We got a report back that they have 50 dosimeters on ship with 300 on the way, this morning. and it was only an hour away
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4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 to monitor all the people on the ship, not just a few. And right now they're having to estimate what individual doses are. CDC for the So you know, KI. One we provided information for of the largest producers or
manufacturers and suppliers of TLD's is Landauer in the country here. They can get, you know,
emergency supply shipments of 100s and 1,000s when you need it. JULIEBENTZ: Okay. So before we drill down
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on the actual, what we need to do, I just wanted to kind of go around the horn and figure out who's in-country that we need to be thinking about. said that there were eight. more than that. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: sent forward. Yes. But you've got eight that were already? So NRC, Cindy, you
I think you actually have
I think you have two there, Right.
CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ:
And one on the way.
And all
of them -- everybody who's sending it

--
has the dosimetry
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CINDY JONES: and KI. That's correct. JULIE BENTZ: DAVID BOWMAN:
Right,
they have dosimetry
Okay.
Great. so
DOE? we've
David? got 35
Okay,
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5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 monitors, surveying correct? personnel. One of those people is working with the DART The other 34 are responders and
team at the Embassy.
they all have dosimetry with them. JULIE BENTZ: how about over to -All right, good. Let's see,
USAID, on your DART team, anybody do any of those have
other than the RAP or NRC folks, dosimeters or do you deem it
necessary for them to? I'm going to turn you
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
over to our Urban Search and Rescue Team colleague, Jerome (phonetic), who can tell JEROME: us what the USAR teams have. Good afternoon. We have 10
Canberras, andthen the standardPPE level (indiscernible) that (indiscernible) teams, both California and Fairfax are carrying. CINDY JONES: Those are survey instruments,
Those are not TLDs. JULIE BENTZ: No, yes. Do they have any
kind of like thermoluminescent dosimeter or any kind of badge that captures the dose if they're in a radiation field, that you're aware of? RICH: No, the USARs, I believe, are active
and our safety and security officer has a instrument, an ADM-300 survey instrument.
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6 1 2 3 4 5 dosimeters? RICH: Yes. Okay. evening we're going to and they show an accumulation, or an accumulated exposure amount on those. JULIE BENTZ: Okay, so they have some pen
JULIE BENTZ: 7 8 RICH:
And this
re-validate who's using what. JULIE BENTZ: And one of the things I would
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also like to get off of this phone conversation is that, you know, if you've got the pen dosimeters, it doesn't
necessarily mean that the USAR teams know how to use them. But we have specialists out there that perhaps if
they can link up and get some fast training on it needed. Okay. RICH: use on our side. JULIE BENTZ: would be considered that. CINDY JONES:
I'm notawareofanypassive dosimetry
Your pen dosimeter I think
I think it would be important,
Julie, and for the rest of the folks, that whenever someone is either in an area that they have at least a person or
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7 1 2 the question will come back later, I was in an area and I got exposed and there is JULIE 4 5 BENTZ: no record of dose. Right. And that is, for
everyone on the phone,
that is
what we want to avoid.
CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ:
Exactly. No record of dose. Okay, so
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Cindy, we have a direct reading dosimeter, have the thermoluminescent dosimeter. CINDY JONES: Right.
and then we
And of the two you
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want to have a TLD, thermoluminescent dosimeter because that can stay on just like a badge, the radiation dose wherever you go. exchanged out every month. So you can get a monthly dose, or if you Or and it will record usually
And it's
have a team going out one person could have that. if
you're short-handed on that there could be one in
an area posted in an office or in a room that would be characteristic of all the people that are in that room would receive about that same dose. But it should be
representative of the area where the people are working and interacting. JULIE BENTZ: Great. Now before we go to DoD. Has
the next point, the one person I'm missing is DoD joined? Joint Staff? LEE SMITH (phonetic): This is
Lee Smith
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8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 in the Naval Reactors. JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH:. I can provide some -Ah, perfect. No, no, I'm sorry, Lee. I won't
that's okay.
necessarily present myself to represent DoD, but I can share what information I have. JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: Please do. For perspective, there's about
130,000people, DoD folks includingactive duty, civilians and dependents in the region. So when you're talking
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about providing dosimetry for personnel over there, do you mean all responders that you anticipate will approach within a certain distance from the reactor plant? JULIE BENTZ: good point. So by responder you raise a
Is a person who lives next to the reactor, And that's how I want to make characterizing who
is he or she a responder?
sure I understand how everyone is the responder is.
Because there's also 160,000 American and we can't badge all of them. and this is how we do it here at
citizens over there, So it's more an idea,
the states is,
you know, those people who we are asking deemed risky that we put a
to go into an area that is dosimeter on them. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ:
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9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 question? LEE SMITH: Yes. And I can provide some face it. as, you know, they know when they're in and whether they evacuate or shelter in place or do what is So it's necessary.
not that we are going to put a dosimeter on That would just be a monstrosity. But we
everybody.
want to understand that are we at least putting dosimetry on all those who are going into a radioactive area to do their mission. So I'm not even certain The White House is
--
well,
and let's the
not going to tell
departments and agencies how to do their own dosimetry because you already have the protocols and legal
authorities in place to do it. We just want to understand how you plan to and, you know, whether or not as an interagency, if there are certain, you know, ideaspeople arehavingthatthey've never tried before, like putting a badge on every person on the Reagan, than perhaps, if that's a necessary requirement rather for every deck on the ship or what's
you know,
depending on the missions that they go out on, the more useful idea for that.
Again not stepping into
what DoD says that they should be doing. So Lee, does that kind of answer your
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10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 2 24 25 JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: Okay. Please do.
And what we have in the region.
There's approximately ten ships in the region, including two aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers being nuclear
powered obviously have the most inherent capabilities. We have a little thousand SRPDs, over 2,000 TLDs available and several or self-reading pocket dosimeters, and
about 150 electronic pocket dosimeters. JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: How many? 1-5-0. Okay. All of our nuclear-trained
personnel wear TLDs all the time, anyway, so you're running somewhere around 500 to 550 personnel that are
automatically being monitored.
Any personnel that are
flying or performing flight ops within 100 miles of the reactor plants are being monitored with TLDs and
electronic pocket dosimeters. The smaller ships in the region supplying (indiscernible) all have self-reading pocket dosimeters. About half of them have TLDs, TLDs to the rest of them. as well. We're pushing by
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11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We don't believe the ships that are sitting outside of the plume areas need to have TLDs. All of
the personnel on board, we believe we will have enough of a representative dose record of those people that remain on board to be able to (indiscernible, possibly "time-dose those that") have not left the ship. We have
a number of folks on the ground, both the shipyard and Navy personnel, TLDs and (indiscernible) As are being far as
provided for them as well. additional region or
monitoring capability that is either in the is being sent to the region, we have
(indiscernible) uraniumdetector able toperformisotopic analysis that's currently being utilized. We have a
Spectral 1000 which will also perform isotopic analysis that's being shipped to the Ronald Reagan. We also have
two Canberra Accuscan whole-body monitors that are being shipped over there. arrival time. As far as dose management or exposure And I don't have an ETA on their
management for our people that are performing flight ops, our current game plan is to limit those people to
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12 1 2 millirems, and if they need to exceed a thousand millirems that will only be performed after a consultation with our emergency responders on the ground and (indiscernible) 4 5 at what we call the NAC, which is our emergency control center there, which they will discuss with us what their plans are if 7 8 1,000. Our guidance also includes if they need to they think they need to go greater than
go the (indiscernible, possibly ten rem) for equipment, 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thank you. STUGREEN (phonetic): Yes, this is StuGreen saving vital equipment for higher than that for
life-saving measures, that's allowed further discretion. And then the, I believe, the discussion, we're running parallel conference calls here at 1400. I have someone
else that's on the other conference call that should be sharing similar information regarding the dosimetry availability of different reading. JULIEBENTZ: Right. No that sounds perfect.
at DHS with just has one quick question, 300 millirems, what was the time frame for that? LEE SMITH: Right now, in a given day to
be reassessed following that day. STU GREEN: JULIE BENTZ: Okay. So that's per day. important for that
And it's
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13 1 2 3 4 5 number to know that that would be occupational dose. That is not a dose that we would think would be acceptable for the public at this point? LEE SMITH: JULIE BENTZ: Yes, copy.
Okay. Good afternoon. This
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is Alexander KosyakfromUSAID, Office of Foreign Disaster Systems. in place There was a comment made about having protocols for dealing with radiation exposure.
Unfortunately, we don't have anything like that on hand. Is there anyone who could send out a very
quick, clean-and-dirty and short policies and procedures of how we should handle the 150 persons that we have in Japan already, and see the best way to protect them? JULIE BENTZ: about the DART members? ALEXANDER KOSYAK: MALE Search and Rescue. CINDY JONES: Can I ask that the Urban Search PARTICIPANT: That's correct. DART including Urban And by 150, are you talking
and Rescue normally, at least in this country, they would be equipped with TLDs or radiation monitors. verify that? ALEXANDER KOSYAK: Yes, I think earlier one Can you
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14 1 2 3 4 5 those with them. TEDMCGUIRE (phonetic): JULIE BENTZ: TEDMCGUIRE: Okay, Julie, TedMcGuire.
Mac (phonetic).
The FEMAtask forces, the guys
that are over there from Cal-2 and Fairfax, they carry standard 50 Canberra UltraRadiacs with them.
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JULIEBENTZ: TED MCGUIRE: yes. JULIE BENTZ: TED MCGUIRE: (indiscernible) type? JULIE BENTZ:
But aRadiac's not a dosimeter. A Radiac is a radiation
Right, but you need
--
But you're just talking about
No,
there's a dosimeter that
-- actually, Cindy, why don't you explain what dosimeter is? CINDY JONES: Okay. A dosimeter is a very
small thing, smaller than the end of an eraser on your pencil, like about two centimeters square, very thin,
that captures any, device,
and records on a thermoluminescent radiation
looks like a small piece of glass,
dosimetry for that person that's wearing it. The entire TLD is only about one inch long byahalf-an-inchthick. lapel. It clipsonjustlikeamicrophone
And that's what we're looking to have these people
that are in areas where they are doing rescue work-related
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TED MCGUIRE:
Yes,
I mean,
the badge type
CINDY JONES:
Yes. -- (indiscernible) techwears
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TEDMCGUIRE:
CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: TED MCGUIRE:
Yes. Right. Okay. Exactly. I'm with you. But the
USAR task force, FEMA's task forces, the only thing they have is type. JULIE BENTZ: So the UltraRadiacs, and the UltraRadiacs. They don't have the badge
I'm wrong, I'm assuming that's a detector looking at it, right? But it's It will it will tell them
a person is
when to turn around, TED radioactivity, detector itself.
not keeping a -alert them to
MCGUIRE:
but it
also retains a life dose in the
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it
remains to be seen
how long that information will be kept by that detector. It will respond just like a GM detector, and most of you
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So I think the point that Julie was making earlier regarding making sure that people who are in these situations for emergency response have TLDs, go back to the question that USAID had. people. How many of those people are I
They have 150 involved with
emergency search and rescue?
And if they are, they should
be badged and get dosimetry from nearby people. JULIE BENTZ: So here's the next question
I think that we as a community need to think through and that is, I'm going to assume that the folks on the
searchandrescue teams aren'tpartofadosimetryprogram. There's not any records managers for them on their dose, like we have in the military or NRC or DOE. if that's a correct
And the question is,
assumption, how do we kind of manage them into something like that? Thoughts? MALE PARTICIPANT: I think we want to --
we'll confer with the safety and security officer out there, and share with them this evening. And again,
re-validate what we have in use and have a dialogue with themtoevaluatewhetherwewanttoestablishaTLDprogram. JULIE BENTZ: So if you look at, down into
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17 1 2 3 4 5 some of the questions I sent out in the emails, you know, there's this real tight management of the dose. And
I think what these active monitors give you are the turn-back rates. But then there's also the additional
requirement that there's a long-term management where we follow through with these folks over the long term
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on, you know, how much dose has accumulated per different activity, right? So that the DoD can in fact say, yes you
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got 300 millirem today. yesterday.
You know, you got 300 millirem you know, we're going to abeyance for a
At 600 millirems,
take you off the line and hold you in week. Or, you know, if
there's a management stuff at And there
real time that you can do with this information. the question for the search and rescue team, anybody there that does that piece? MALE PARTICIPANT: MALE PARTICIPANT: JULIE BENTZ: and Security Officer. MALE PARTICIPANT: CINDY JONES: or No. Okay. is
Not that I'm aware of. Not that I know of. That's not the Safety
Is there an Incident Commander And is this team
a person in charge of this team?
by any chance within 30 kilometers of the nuclear power plants? Or are these teams primarily in an area outside
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you know, we've got, you know,
the DART is where the DOE RAP team is going to be located, 7 8 as is the NRC folks. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: 10 11 12 13 14 15
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Yes. So it's not that we don't have
experts who can assist, as well as we could find some dosimeters and add them to the group. for kind of -to a process. But how is that
that seems to me kind of as a Band-aid And I just want to figure out from the
operator'sperspective, youknow, someideasandthoughts. C.J.:

this is
The other thing I would like to add

C.J.
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C.J.: -is if
Yes.
anybody on the call has the
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legal frame of reference that we would need to determine, not only what is prudent from a radiological perspective, but what is government. prudent from a legal perspective for the
I don't know that we have anybody on the But if there is someone,
call that has that expertise. please speak up. CINDY JONES:
This is Cindy Jones from the
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19 1 2 NRC. I'm not a legal person, but I will tell you that
there are requirements under OSHA for personnel doing work that involves exposure to radiation and for being
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monitoring.
If their work and work duties require them they need to be monitored.
to be in a radiation area,
They can be monitored with one person having 7 8 a dose that is reasonable or that is being recorded for, say, two or threepeople if onlyone dosimeter's available. But if their job functions are to go out and to do search 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 2 I think it's, and rescue into a radiation area, them to have dosimetry. C.J.: Yes, I agree, but the question is OSHA would require
whetherwe're ina case where they're going into a radiation area or not. CINDY JONES: C.J.: Yes. So for the search and rescue, we've already seen that some Well that would be --
JULIE BENTZ: you know,
of the folks that have come back from some of these -well, C.J., answer me this was. Was the helicopter that was contaminated, was that coming back from a search and rescue mission? Or was that -I think it was, wasn't it? rather than me make the
assumption it
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--
But they flew through.
But some of the helos that
JULIE BENTZ: C.J.:
Right.
-- been on search and rescue missions -Right.
have been contaminated, JULIE BENTZ: C.J.:

--
and that seems to be a continuing
So the Navy piece,
of have that licked. the ground.
I'm worried about the folks on
JULIE BENTZ:
But that's what I'm saying. I think we can probably
And so the search and rescue,
assume that they could be asked to be going into -- well, if it's up by the reactors, obviously, if it's down in that
Okinawa that's going to be different, area we might as well assume it. And the legal piece, it's
but up in
interesting.
was talking with our legal and the question I had was on the, you know, who are haves and have-nots, versus the you know, those And
responders
non-responders.
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21 1 2 go into, you know, a place that could have a radiation So then the question is, If it's it's a team
field, we're obligated.
not necessary for us to badge everybody. 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
of six and I put a badge on one, I've taken care of that. CINDY JONES: JULIEBENTZ: Exactly. But if we have search and rescue
folks going out and there's no one on there that has a badge, that's probably what we should look into. C.J.: All right, I agree. Is there any
agency that feels like they have the capacity both in the TLD realm, but also with the footprint on the ground to maybe take the lead on getting the AID workers that are not badged and don't have anybody in each little
group with a TLD that could sort of take that role? MALE PARTICIPANT: for interrupting. Hey, Julie, I apologize
Richard and I both have to take off. We'll get
Our team has a briefing with the Secretary. back with you after this call. JULIE BENTZ: Fantastic. Thanks, This is Thanks.
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Julie. Chris Leonardo Team.
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22 1 2 ourpoint of view for our teams again, we have 157 personnel currently on the ground. And when you add in the planned
responders who are going to be part of the DART team 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 contractors. ffrom Department of Energy, from HHS and NRC, we're looking at a total of 209 people. USAID offices, From folks who are under the
we have a variety of different hiring so we're not just talking about hires. We have various
mechanisms for folks, U.S. Government
direct
contractors.
Our USAR,
Urban Search and Rescue folks
are under a cooperative agreement. And then we also have personal services
So we also want to make sure that any
distinctions, if there are any distinctions between those different hiring mechanisms. JULIE BENTZ: So my understanding of the we ask anyone to go into
way we work here in America, if
a radiation field their dose rate needs to be monitored. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: That's correct. That's for anybody. If that's
part of their working duties, it doesn't matter the hiring mechanism. CINDY JONES: DON DAIGLER: that's correct, a little late. That's correct. This is Don Daigler. I think
and I'm sorry for getting on the call I had a problem --
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DON DAIGLER:
That's all right.

-back at the -but you're
bringing in some great issues that we hadn't even thought 4 5 about. Once we're done here, I'm going to go downstairs there has been
and talk to our USAR leadership to see if
any thought given to monitoring the does of these folks 7 8 that's over there, and let's think about how we can get
them the appropriate coverage. JOHN HOLLAND: This is John Holland, again,
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with the DART.
I think some key distinctions need to
be made that I believe our DART team and the USAR reps are utilizing their survey instruments and to determine whether our side is clear to operate in or not. And
any kind of exposure levels be occupationally exposed, to that area.
that would deem them to
then they wouldn't go into
Neither would the DART team. Right. So I mean if we start
JULIE BENTZ: JOHN categorizing exposure, warranted. limit is HOLLAND:
the entire team as having occupational
then I would agree that the program would be And I think the occupational rate or exposure one-and-a-quarter rems per quarter on a
whole-body dose. JULIEBENTZ: Sohere's theuniquepart about is that you could put your
what we're up against here,
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or Tokai or any of these other places that have these reactors, and they will So it's have no reading on their
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measurements.
safe,
right?
But then the reactors are quite fragile, so if one goes up while they're out searching, it's you've
put them kind of in --
kind of an unexpected dose.
But the reason we're up there is it is a earthquake/tsunami response, but you're in an environment. So that's just
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my personal opinion.
That's not White House opinion. What are your thoughts
I don't know how -- maybe Cindy? about that? CINDY JONES:
Well, I think that search and they
rescue teams should have a dosimeter with them if are, say, within 50 kilometers of the plant. it's
And I think
for the reasons that Julie said, in case there is
an accident or a burp of radioactive material or of steam that could be slightly radioactive at this point, that's what we know. But they should not be part of a team It's very easy.
that doesn't have any TLDs with them. It'sveryquick.
They're overnightFedExedfromLandauer
or another manufacturer of TLDs, and they can be easily put in the hands of these people at AID, or wherever
the DART members are. So I think it's very easy to do. It's not
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the opportunity also to request from the interagency for some support, don't you? I mean, isn't it, if you
guys go out, OFDA goes out and they need to pull in people to take over, agencies? MALE PARTICIPANT: We have the ability and Again if we have the can you also request equipment from other
resources to establish a program. down log and it's with the RMT,
determined from the DART and new dialogue I think we can move forward with it.
JULIE BENTZ: be thinking about that.
Right.
And perhaps we should I'm
But for the time being,
wondering whether or not, you know, you're going to have --
again like I said,
out of the 209 members on your
DART I know 46 of them are going to be very highly trained nuclear folks who understand TLDs and dose records, and can assist you with that. know, throw some TLDs And whether or not we, that are interoperable it you or
compatible with what those guys have, a little bit easier.
might make it
So that's only kind of a thinking
outside the box. The other thing I want to go back to, Cindy's about, you know, if you're going within 50
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of incident and that changes per Japanese,
discussion or what you're hearing across from the, you know, from this side of the ocean, changes, it might become larger, obviously, you want you know, where that it might become more to take that into
definitive,
consideration. So it's not a absolute, oh, if It's you're going based on,
within 50 kilometers of those plants.
you know, where the exclusion zones or where the zones are being figured out at the moment. CINDY JONES: 20 kilometers, Right. And right now it's And it's
or 12 miles for evacuation.
30 kilometers for sheltering. if
I just used 50 as a --
you're getting that close, and you have a team with that team have a TLD,
you and none of those people in
you need to get one so that you can have a record of dose for that team. C.J.: The other option, and I don't know,
I would be interested in say, is
what the DART folks have to
if we could, sort of self-select into areas for self-select out of those warranted. What until
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or does that constrict you in any way? CHRIS LEONARDO: You're talking about making
sure that our teams are not operating within a 50 kilometer radius of a reactor? C.J.: Of the reactors of concern, yes.
7 8 Our team is
CHRIS LEONARDO:
The reactors of concern?
not operating within 50 kilometers of a But they are within that radius not a reactor of concern. assigned to work -Just to let you know, Onagawa what, two days ago? So in
reactor of concern. 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it. of Onagawa, which is
terms of where the team is CINDY JONES: was a reactor of concern, C.J.: It
could be already and us not know
CINDY JONES: to interrupt you, Chris.
I'm so sorry.
I didn't mean
CHRIS LEONARDO:
That's okay.
I'm sorry.
I guess mypointbeingthat the team is assignedalocation by the Minister of Foreign Affairs in Japan. been assigned a location. So we've
So I honestly don't know what We have which is led
the feasibility of changing location. established a joint base of operations, by the Chinese,
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really know if we could change that at this point.
got all our equipment and, you know, been assigned that piece of the grid. So it wouldn't be easy. Chris, I would think that this Dave Bowman and kind of an easy probably
JULIE BENTZ:
not be a bad time for us to look at -Cindy, tell me if I'm wrong. right? It's This is
problem to solve,
150 members,
not all of them needing TLDs, just the, you know, there's a portion of that, that can be taken under the wing of
either the NRC or DOE teams heading in that direction. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: Right. Is that a useful way to think
about this problem right now? CINDY JONES: Yes. It's just a function
that NRC team or a member of the DART team needs the same area as whatever the DART function
to be in is
for that day. JULIE BENTZ: Right, but also I was thinking
DART was able to get some more TLDs and slap can DOE and NRC give
on their USAR folks, you know,

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29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 CINDY JONES: Absolutely. And what does,
just so everyone is aware, you don't read the TLDs there. They get sent back to the supplier, read, overnight or in get mailed back. JULIEBENTZ: Sothen, Cindy, with that idea, a 48-hour period. and they can be They actually
you've got these TLDs that give you kind of a delayed understanding of dose. And you've got people, you know
-- howdotheydotheir, you know, real timedoseassessment? 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 Bowman. JULIE BENTZ: Yes. CINDY JONES: Well, they'll have someone
that has a meter, either a Radiac or a GM or a Celumidide (phonetic) that will be with them that will measure the ambient radiation air effluence, to know if radiation -then if and they'll be able
they're at low radiation area or what the or no radiation area, for example. And
the radiation area does increase,
those people
will have dosimeters. to know if hour, it's,
But they'll certainly be able so many microSieverts per
you know, is,
or whatever it
so that they can monitor how excuse me,
much their daily intake or exposure rate, should be for that period of time. JULIE BENTZ: DAVE BOWMAN: Okay. Hey, Julie,
this
is
Dave
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NRC said they could support this.
to say, and I'm not the decision-maker, 4 5
but our people
have a big job to do over there, and we didn't resource having to provide training on dosimetry counts. I mean, if that's the priority obviously,
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youknow, youguys intheWhiteHousewillmakethedecisions. But not knowing how far away the USAR teams are, could become a big strain on our DOE team. this
So I mean,
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if
NRC's willing to do that here,
we certainly would
appreciate that fromthe Department of Energyperspective. JULIE BENTZ: So the only thing I can tell that, the one
you about the White House perspective is
thing that almost got Dennis (phonetic) out of his chair was when PACOM commander said that they were concerned about dosimetry. So I think this is a really big deal. I
don't think anybody here wants to put any of our responders at risk. So I would say it probably is a big deal, and
I know you're not resourced for the mission. NRC's not resourced for the mission.
I know But you
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when you get back, if
your Radiac meter gives you any kind of information you may have been exposed, hand this to point-of-contact gets back for
x, and then we just have to make sure it 7 8 However, 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 point,
being read while some more TLDs are handed forward. I don't think this is a high amount of work. I do get your point that everybody's going
over there with an incredible task in MALE PARTICIPANT: Julie,
front of them. on a separate
are there any teams or personnel being staged that we should just account for now
right now to go in
so that we don't get them to tail-chase on any more people? JULIE BENTZ: Yes. So we've got the CCMRF So you
that is being racked and stacked to go forward. know,
there's the 20-person planning team that they're
pulling up, maybe being there and, what, trying to see three, 24, 36 hours? Is that what I heard -Right. this morning? And then
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32 1 2 CINDY JONES: have dosimetry? JULIE BENTZ: 4 5 CINDY JONES: Yes. Is it possible when they leave And those people, Julie, will
or when they go they can bring dosimetry with them, extra dosimetry?
7 8 them,
JULIE BENTZ: given the mission.
Well,
we can certainly give
I think what would be nice, just make
and maybe Don Daigler you can do that, or is 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 a mission request, right?
Can you guys do that? Don went down to talk
MALE PARTICIPANT: to the USAR folks,
Julie, but I can pass that along. Right, because the USAR folks right? they're working
JULIE BENTZ:
kind of belong out of your pocket, MALE PARTICIPANT:
Well,
under USAID right now, but yes, they're part of theNational Urban Search and Rescue crew. JULIE BENTZ: Right. And it might be that forward just
FEMA just builds out a program, and throws dosimeters in really, it, you know,
and pushes it It's
their direction.
unless you get a manager going with
we're going to have to ask somebody over there to And I know within program managers
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MAJOR MATTHEWS: 4 5 Joint Staff. JULIE BENTZ:
Hey,
Jimmy.
MAJOR MATTHEWS: 7 8 the military dosimeters handed, I'm not sure if
The military, I don't know, are
IM-93 or whichever ones
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in the same way --
JULIE BENTZ:
Right.
-unless they're in a
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radiation dosimeters at the, if
type
job
normally.
It's
just
that
the
(indiscernible) to the people that are read and I'm not sure
really at the company level,
that's going to cut it
for a civilian dosimetry as
far as your OSHA standards fall. JULIE BENTZ: Correct. So we're not
actually asking for the dosimeters from DoD,
but more
along just a person who understands the requirements for, you know, the management of the stuff and just sending it is back. Like I said, it looks like DOE Japan. NRC
going to be doing it
while they're in
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you know,
We just have to figure Is
kind of where the gap is.
going to be in somebody there understanding what to
do with the dosimeters. CHRIS LEONARDO: again. JULIE BENTZ: Yes. I think because the USAR This is Chris Leonardo from
CHRIS LEONARDO:
teams are deployed under out cooperative agreement that it would fall to -- we would be responsible for developing this, not FEMA because they're not under a FEMA assignment right now. JULIE BENTZ: Fair enough. Fair enough.
You're more than welcome to develop the procedures for this deployment. I was just thinking, as Don said before
he shot downstairs, that FEMA should develop this across the USARprogram so that, you know, when people are deployed like this, there's already a process in place like you get with DOE and NRC and DoD. HAL COHEN: Yes, this is Hal Cohen with USAID as we described,
Perhaps what we could do is
our DART will consist of, in addition to our own personnel, the USAR teams, the 32, 39 member DOE team as well as
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this evening be speaking with our DART in the field that 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 2 24 25 include the Safety and Security officer who is from FOH to get input, as well. And with that, I think we'll if anything,
have a much better understanding of what, beyond that is
required at least with respect to the
folks we have deployed. JULIE BENTZ: Brilliant. So really what
I think I would be very, very interested in having come out of this teleconference is exactly as you said. or whatever you call it is two things. One, Hal,
The USAID's program, or protocols for how you're going to manage
the dose information from the responders that are coming in. I think that's the first one. The second
one is stone.
the DoD plan, and you guys already have that in So you just have to lead me to the right DoD
directive, or whatever it is that shows the process that you guys use. I'm not so much concerned about DoD, only
because I came out of that community.

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questions that we started with JULIE BENTZ: C.J.: the Navy guys. JULIE BENTZ: CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: identified that we've got, Right. -Okay.
for the other folks outside of
So
--
Julie? -- the question is that we've you know, C.J., 209 DART. is it We've
identified the Navy response. or is it non-military? C.J.: It's
non-Navy,
non-Navy, Okay.
right?
JULIE BENTZ: C.J.:
The other folks that are there that and rescue, if DoD sees a
might be used for search
requirement or has plan to put dosimetry on the other folks. JULIE BENTZ: Got it. So I do know that will have
those that are coming forward from the U.S. dosimetry.
So the CCMRF has dosimetry, but if they call
other military from around the region of the, like the U.S. Forces Japan -C.J.: That's right.
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might make the determination that based on where they are and where they're going to use them
--
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JULIE BENTZ:
C.J.: -it's
Right.
not required. But Major
you have anything on that? MAJOR MATTHEWS: No decision's been made. or ground forces, should
All deployable Army Forces,
have dosimetry in their CMPCO unless there's some, like, agency type that pulled out, you should have some sort of dosimetry or a way to get to get to it.
CINDY JONES: the Cindy from the NRC, If I could just add -this
again --
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Your conference
has been extended an additional 25 minutes. JULIE BENTZ: CINDY JONES: Hello? Go ahead. KI should be case the
That's okay.
also made available or at least have on hand in it's needed. That was raised this morning on
conference call with federal agencies, TLDs in case it deployed in is
in addition to
needed to be used by people who are
that area.
JULIE BENTZ: Okay. So again --
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Lee Smith.
If
I could
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Yes.
sit in for a second.
5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 2 24 25 taking KI,
JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH:
Yes. Cindy, can you provide
perspective on how you would expect these field teams to know when they should take their KI? CINDY JONES: Well, as is happening now,
we have protective measures out to 20 and 30 kilometers, 20 to evacuate and 30 to shelter. were to get measurably higher, If the radiation doses there would be also an I think
indication that children should be taking KI.
the Japanese government has indicated that children are receiving KI right now. be a much higher dose. as well. As faras adults, itwould
But there is guidelines for that, It's 5 rem for for
And that would be 5 and 25. and 25 rem doses for
evacuation,
thyroid
administration of iodide.
JULIE BENTZ: And --
CINDY JONES:
So it's
quite high, but it's
just a precaution to have it JULIE BENTZ:
available~if need be.
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39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 2 24 25 in on how, distance, CINDY JONES: Just those within a certain only for children. But
and right now it's
the people that have come out from DOE, and I know that all the people from NRC, in addition to TLDs have a supply of potassium iodide for themselves. LEE SMITH: for example, So do you have any perspective
the DART teams would understand
whether or not they are encountering a boom that would require them to take KI? going to assess the In other words, thresholds for how are they taking KI
(indiscernible)? CINDYJONES: Well, this goes backto Julie's
original comment about having a protocol in place for managing the does information for individuals. see that people are receiving in If you
excess of a certain
level, for example, we heard earlier that the Navy control level was 300 millirem for a day, and then beyond that they would evaluate it. That incident commander or health physicist charge of those personnel dosimeter would provide and it would be
that information to the individuals,
certainly announcedwidespread as an emergency news-radio media, so forth, that it's advisable to take KI because for example.
the doses are in excess of x rem, So that's why it's
very important to have
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protection, the folks that we have that will be approaching within 100 miles will also be taking KI. CINDY JONES: They do not need to take KI important. Nobody's
at this point, not even with-- it's required to take KI right now if LEE SMITH: Okay.
you're an adult.
The guidance that we're
giving to our responders 100 miles. CINDY JONES:
that are approaching within
Yes.
There's
not
requirement to do that. LEE SMITH: We are issuing guidance for our
me that's what you're doing? LEE SMITH: JULIE BENTZ: Yes. Yes.
And who is this speaking right
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hand-in-hand with exposure monitoring
for the people So the
being maintained at less than 300 millirems. 4 5
TLDs and the Radiacs employed in the region, only monitors can report the whole-body gamma field that they're in, that doesn't give you a complete picture as to the
7 8
radioiodine exposure that they're going to receive. JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: Right. So an important component is
10 11 12 1
takingKI in order toprevent the thyroiddose frombecoming a limiting dose for these people. have, you know -it's And since they don't
impossible to deploy monitors
on the flight crews with them that could assess that we're issuing KI before -JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: miles. JULIE BENTZ: is a one-time dose? And am I right in saying KI's -Sure. they're going within 100
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CINDY JONES: LEE SMITH: day. JULIE BENTZ:
One pill
Okay.
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there that could do a bioassay if
needed?
Forthoseofyouwhodon't knowwhatabioassay after you've been exposed to a, you know, to
a significant dose there is a -- they take a urine sample for analysis for a dose rate, or a whole-body dose. And I don't -- please speak up loud and vociferously if you
don't believe we need totalkabout this in this situation. Cindy or Dave? CINDY JONES: prepared for that. Well, I think you need to be but
We're not at that stage yet,
there should be an ability to that. (Crosstalk) JULIE BENTZ: Okay, okay. I've got a lot Maybe I
of people talking on this phone, can help us out if what is it? Is it
right now.
those folks who are not -- maybe use, Pound 6 that puts you on mute or I Star 6 will get you back. what is it that you wanted to
think it's
Pound 6.
But Dave Bowman,
Let me ask a more specific question.
just collecting the samples, or are you asking if someone could do an analysis as well? JULIE BENTZ: No. Just collect the samples
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and send it
back. DAVE BOWMAN: JULIE BENTZ: Okay. And FEMA, Don, were you trying
to say something? DON DAIGLER: No, I was just going to say
that the DOE's out there and they might have that capacity. 7 8 Dave's the right guy to answer that question. JULIE BENTZ: CINDY JONES: 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with, Julie, is CDC is, Okay. And the other thing to check is the agency So
in this country,
required for population monitoring after an event.
they may have a stockpile or a facility that can send a lot samples to an area, a lot of specimen containers to be collected and then sent back. at CDC is that point of contact. JULIE BENTZ: Right, and I had Nicky Dr. Charles Miller
(phonetic) Lurie tellme that, you know, there isabioassay piece to this. the phone, see just, And unfortunately, HHS had to jump off
but we'll pick that back up with them and again, have it in the back of our minds. you know,
Hopefully we will not have to use that but,
better for us to have the discussion today than in the after impact where everybody's yelling at us where are bioassays capability is. WARREN STERN: Hi, Julie. It's Warren.
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biodosimetry and then there's a bioassay urine as you're suggesting, to find out if someone's been contaminated.
4 5
And I think we actually ought to start thinking about both, andwhat are the networks that exist and capabilities that exist for, again, both cytogenetic biodosimetry,
7 8
which is,
I believe, a blood sample and measures damage And then
to chromosomes directly and indirectly dosed. there's the bioassay, which is, materials, again, what if is
you consume your body's
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somehow
radioactive
examination like? CINDY JONES: for doses above 10 rad. Cytogenetic is typically used That would be 10,000 millirad, Bioassay is done for routine
which we're not there yet.
determination of inhalation or ingestion event. JULIEBENTZ: Okay. So what would be useful
is for some group of folks, or maybe one or two individuals to start with some protocols that look at, who gets dosimetry? you know, I
Who should be using dosimetry?
think we've already defined that, you know, any responder that goes into the area of concern should have some, there should be some method that we can record the dose. It doesn't have to be on the person, but if he's in grab one
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45 1 2 3 4 5 in for I'm hearing folks say. We should look at when is potassium iodide, you know, it that you put about
thoughts
bioassays and then thoughts about a dosimetry manager, just for this specific. And really, the person that
probably needs to start this is going to be, Chris, it's 7 8 going to be you guys with your USAID hat to figure out how you guys want to do that. I will tell 10 11 12 1 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you know, fleshing it a little you, we've got some absolute
brains on this phone call who can assist with that, Dave Bowman, Cindy Jones, Don Daigler. I'm going to ask the
DoD folks to do something similar for them to send to me, just so that I can clarify to the upper management
here how the U.S. Government is taking care of our folks that we're pushing out there. And it doesn't have to be anything elaborate, a couple bullet points for us. But then a
out so that your operations over there have
bit better understanding of the requirements.
Does that make sense? CINDY JONES: Yes. Yes. This is Chris. It
CHRIS LEONARDO: makes sense, and it's We have some,
something we've been thinking about. place,
obviously we have protocols in
already for the USAR teams.
But again, we're going to
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46 1 2 get together with our, we have colleagues here from NRC, DOE and HHS who are working with us on the Response Management Team, 4 5 it and we'll put something together. Thatwouldbegreat. Andwould even
JULIEBENTZ: possible, you guys,
to just send me something,
if it's 7 8 Julie. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that? Kozal.
really draft and just a 60 percent solution sometime Is that doable? Yes, we can send you something,
before 6:00 p.m.?
CINDY JONES:
JULIE BENTZ: JASON KOZAL: I take it
Okay. Hey, Cindy Jones, this is Jason
you're available to consult on this? I'm sorry? Can you repeat
CINDY JONES:
JASON KOZAL:
I say,
this is
Jason Kozal.
I'm down here with the USAID folks. CINDY JONES: JASON KOZAL: on this? CINDY JONES: Yes, I'm going to have the Yes. You're available to consult
PMT put up a couple bullets on that. JASON KOZAL: CINDY JONES: C.J.: Very good.. Thank you. And we'll send it to Julie.
And will the Joint Staff be sending
in the consolidated input for -- the Naval Reactors talk NEALR. GROSS
47 1 2 3 4
5
quite a bit on the phone call.
Are you guys sending
in everything for both the air assets off the ships in the Navy and the forces that are already deployed there, that are stationed there,
JULIE BENTZ:
I should say?
Jimmy, can you --
6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as we speak. I'll
MAJOR MATTHEWS:
We'll get in
touch with
you on that in detail to get you guys what you're after. C.J.: Okay. That wouldbe great. So Jimmy, to
JULIEBENTZ:
just expect something from JCS, You'll pull it MAJOR MATTHEWS: JULIE BENTZ: CINDY JONES:
Joint Staff,
come my way?
all together? Roger. awesome, awesome.
Awesome, Hey,
Julie.
You can help us
out on a little
different thing. We're still
I have to leave in
about five minutes.
urgently needing those We have
Qs and As that were mentioned this morning. a lot of calls in
from the public on who's notifying Do you know when
people on the West Coast about doses.
those can be shaken loose and given to our Public Affairs and us? JULIE BENTZ: We're shaking them loose even
I've been seeing a lot of that stuff going So also, Cindy, you
across my email back-and-forth.
guys have developed quite a few Qs and As yourselves
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48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 1 20 21 22 2
--
that I'm hoping that you put on your website. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: guys probably gave us, I will check that.
Have you?
Check on that, because you if not the bulk you
you know,
gave us quite a bit of what we're passing around. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: from the above, out yesterday. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: Yes. Good. All right, 6:00 p.m. as well, Right. Yes. We're being pushed up
so we're hoping to get that
did I say 6:00 p.m. tonight? CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: To you, Okay, yes. to me. If anybody
doesn't know how to get ahold of folks on this phone call, first off I don't think I have all of your email I do have your Ops Centers if that's helpful, just send me a quick email, jbentz,
addresses. but
otherwise
j-b-e-n-t-z at nss dot eop dot gov. me a quick email just saying, hey, call,
If you want to send I was on the phone but I have no Unless, Chris,
and I offered to do such-and-so,
way to get in contact with Chris Leonardo. you want to give us your phone number. CHRIS LEONARDO:
24
25
Phone number is 20 -- it's 202-712-0039.
the Response Management Team number, NEAL R. GROSS
49 CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: Okay, Okay. I got to run, Thanks Cindy. Julie. You'll
know how to get ahold of Chris. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ: Thank you. Okay, bye. Yes. Bye.
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

Japan's Fukushima Daiichi PMT State Interface Audio Files

March 15, 2011

Work Order No.:

1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

JAPAN'S FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI PMT STATE INTERFACE AUDIO FILES

TUESDAY, MARCH 15, 2011

2 1 2 3 4 5 0%CS53% 03865094 (CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED) AUTOMATED ANNOUNCEMENT: Welcome. You

have reached the audio conferencing system.

RICH: policy discussions,

there are some ongoing

about how we would refine

terms of external dosimeters, although I can't

Hi, this is Cindy Jones

So just so that we're

capability for our own, I've kind of defined it

folks that are --

the folks who

are the kind of things we need to be certain that we're

I think you actually have

I think you have two there, Right.

CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ:

And one on the way.

of them -- everybody who's sending it

has the dosimetry

they have dosimetry

team at the Embassy.

USAID, on your DART team, anybody do any of those have

other than the RAP or NRC folks, dosimeters or do you deem it

necessary for them to? I'm going to turn you

And then with regard -pen dosimeters in

I think he's got some personal

the cache as well that can be read NEAL R.GROSS

JULIE BENTZ: 7 8 RICH:

I'm notawareofanypassive dosimetry

Your pen dosimeter I think

I think it would be important,

that has a recordable thermoluminescent dosimeter,

everyone on the phone,

what we want to avoid.

CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ:

Exactly. No record of dose. Okay, so

And of the two you

have a team going out one person could have that. if

you're short-handed on that there could be one in

sure I understand how everyone is the responder is.

citizens over there, So it's more an idea,

the states is,

to go into an area that is dosimeter on them. CINDY JONES: JULIE BENTZ:

That's correct. If they are caught in the plume,

and let's the

not going to tell

Again not stepping into

perspective on what we are currently doing. NEAL R.GROSS

10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 2 24 25 JULIE BENTZ: LEE SMITH: Okay. Please do.

And what we have in the region.

automatically being monitored.

Any personnel that are

I expect by the time --

provided for them as well. additional region or

Okay. Good afternoon. This

The FEMAtask forces, the guys

But aRadiac's not a dosimeter. A Radiac is a radiation