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Hie following article is another in a series of interviews
with- prominent public figures by a board of Copley
editors. This interview is with Gloria Stelnem, editor of
MS. magazine and feminist.
CopleyNews Service
Q. Let's start with an obvious question. Is the Equal
Rights Amendment dead or alive?
A. Very much alive; with problems of dealing with a
small, but very earnest and well-financed and well-
organized opposition. As you may know after the New
York and New Jersey referenda, Gallup took a poll and
discovered that the vast majority of the citizens of both
states, I think it was almost 70 per cent, supported the
Equal Rights Amendment.
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Clinically, we made a great error in not getting out the
vote in a real political form.
Q. Why is this opposition so well-organised and well-
financed? Where does the inspiration for it come from?
A. I would say that conservative political groups feel
that women are not equal; are not whole human beings.
To say so would upset the family structure, make too
drastic changes in society.
I think that leads into an economic problem, too,
because there is a generalized feeling among many
business people who don't necessarily say it out loud, but
who say it privately, that equality is just too expensive.
When they start considering how mucn it would cost
them to pay equallythe women who are already working,
much less to begin to payfor kinds of work that women do
that' s largely unpaid, it's quite stunning.
Q. Do you see anyinjustice arising in the form of
reverse discrimination when women are hired or ad-
vanced ahead of men for the sake of evening the score?
A.I have not yet seen one legitimate case of reverse
discrimination. By legitimate, I mean documented. I have
seen some kind of temporary cases of reverse
discrimination, which were themselves evidence of the
prejudice of the person doing the hiring.
Q. Is feminism probably the worst way to describe
what you're talking about?
A.No, I think it' s the best way. No, I suppose justice
would be the best way.
Q. You're really aiming for something more properly
described as equality, aren't you?
A. - No, I don't think so.
I think it's important to value feminism as a word and
not simply to say equality because equality is often per-
ceived as being imitative, you know, as wanting a piece of
the existing pie, instead of understanding that for women
there has to be a whole new pie.
It' s simply not possible within the current structure to
gain equality for all women.
And there have been equality movements in the past,
indeed the beginning of this women's movement was
reformist, rather than feminist.
It was looking for equality for just a few women, a few
professional women who found themselves living in the
suburbs and not using their college educations and
wanting to gel back into the job force and so on.
Great, I'm all for that. But that's not feminism.
Because feminism means literally all women and,
therefore, it means changing the sexual caste system and
overthrowing, if you want to use that word, or
humanizing, if you prefer to use that word, the patriarch.
Q. It' s interesting that you keep coming back to the
word equality without even wanting to. t
A. I do think it' s a bit of a mistake to use it because it
does give the feeling that women wish to imitate men and
that's not true at all. We need to change the very definition
of what a full human being is. And it' s beyond equality,
' really.
Q. Are you making striking progress in any one area?
I've seen the phraseology that you are talking about, like
chairperson creeping into the language, so you have a
semantic victory, I suppose. But where else are you
making progress?
A. I think probably the Supreme Court decision on
abortion might be most literallythe single most important
thing, because it has saved many lives.
I don't mean to say that abortion is now freely available
to women in this country, as it should be, we have a long
wayto go, but it has saved literally thousands of lives.
Q.Do you see yourself as a political candidate? >
A. Never. Iwouldn't dream of it. But I enjoy working
in other people's campaigns.
EDITOR of MS magazine, Gloria Steinem, says
that feminism goes beyond equality. The word
equality, she says, gives the feeling that women
wish to imitate men "and that's not true at all?"
Calendar
Author to speak to study group
TUESDAY
The Paradise Valley Parent Study Group will feature Dr.
Kenneth J. Olson who will speak at Shadow Mountain high
school at 7:30 p.m. His topic will be "The Healthy Family."/A
donation will be requested to defray expenses.
Dr. Olson is the author of the best selling book "The Art of
Hanging Loose in an Uptight World."
He received his BS degree in psychology from Arizona ,y
State College and also earned his doctorate degree in
counseling psychology there.
In the mid-60s he was director of adolescent services at the
Mental Health Center in Scottsdale and founded the Creative
Lining Foundation in Phoenix for the rehabilitation of drug
abusers. He also has served as educational consultant for
several Arizona schools and government agencies. He now is
on a speaking tour.
WEDNESDAY
Scottsdale Business and Professional Women's Club will
meet at 6:30 p.m. for no-host cocktails followed by a dinner
and business meeting at the Royal Fork restaurant. Pat
Belsey will speak on the BPW club foundation and give a
color slide presentation.
gold room at the church. The club will be making clothing
and equipment that can be used in hospitals, rest homes and
missions.
Arizona State Nurses' Association District 18 will meet at
the First Federal Bank building, 7201 E. McDowell Rd. at
7:30 p.m. The program will be presented by Kathy Mansky,
head of the nuclear medicine department of Scottsdale
Memorial Hospital.
Beta Psi chapter of Beta Sigma Phi sorority will meet at
7:30 p.m. at the home of Susan Winkler, 2930 E. Osborn Rd.
The group will entertain Alpha Rho chapter with a hobo
supper.
Members of Do-ers, a new circle at the Glass and Garden
Community Church, will meet from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. in the
Y lists winter classes
An open house-demonstration of the new modern dance
class, "Four Seasons" will be Tuesday at 7 p.m. at Scotts-
dale-Tempe YWCA. 4615 N. Granite Reef Rd. Trudy
Beaumont, instructor for both slimnastics and modern
dance, will introduce the dance for her students. The public is
invited to the demonstration.
Registration for modern dance is bymail or in the office
with classes Tuesdays and Thursdays from 7 to 8 p.m. The
fee is $16 for members.
Gentle gym for senior citizens opens at the YWCA Wed-
nesday at 9 a.m. for both men and women. Fee for the series
of eight sessions, twice weekly, is $10. Diet and exercise are
taught in the course. ^
Tennis classes at all levels are forming and YWCA tennis
instructors are available for private or semi-private lessons
as well. The YWCA tennis series consists of the basic eight
lessons, followed by beginning workshops and then tour-
nament play. Registration in tennis classes is limited, and
new sections may be added on demand.
Tai Chi Chih, a form of Chinese yoga, and natural cooking
with health foods are two activities that Scottsdale-Tempe
YWCA is offering this winter.
The Women's Search for Self group of the Scottsdale
branch of the American Association of University Women
will meet at 9:30 a.m. at the home of Mary Ann Fox, 7620 N.
Mockingbird Lane, Paradise Valley.
Kat Erlick.^in instructor in transactional analysis, will
present an introduction to the subject.
Beta Rho chapter of Epsilon Sigma Alpha international
sorority will meet at 8 p.m. in the home of Shirley Gulden,
6938 E. Diamond, for a birthday party social, celebrating the
chapter's fourth birthday. It was chartered by the Alpha
Omicron chapter of Scottsdale in January 1972.
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in local churches
HALI^-YOUNG
Janice Mary Hall and Roger Young were married at St.
Barnabas-on-the-Desert Episcopal Church in Paradise
Valley. The bride is the daughter of Mary Hall of Scott-
sdale and N.B. Hall of Downers Grove, 111. Young is the
son of Mr. and Mrs. P.H. Young of Valentine, Neb,
Barbie Rosenheim was maid of honor and Ed Mc-
Cluskey served as best man.
The bride is a graduate of Saguaro High School and
Arizona State University. She is continuing studies at
Colorado State University, Fort Collins. Young attended
the University of Wyoming, Laramie, and earned his BA
in agricultural management at ASU where he was
president of Alpha Gamma Rho fraternity.
The couple honeymooned in Florida and now resides in
Ft. Collins.
LONGANDERSON
Gina Colleen Long and Larry Glenn Anderson ex-
changed wedding vows at First Presbyterian Church of
Phoenix. The bride's parents are Mrs. George Alters and
Dr. David R. Long both of Scottsdale. Anderson is the son
of the Rev. and Mrs. Tommy Anderson of Glendale.
Mrs. Ronald Ault was matron of honor and Curtis Cluff
was best man.
The bride, a graduate of Saguaro High School, attended
Arizona State University and studied performing arts- in
Los Angeles while working as a model. Anderson was
graduated from Saguaro and from ASU and is working on
a master's degree in Biblical Studies.
The couple honeymooned in Pinetop and now resides in
Scottsdale.
Mrs. Roger Young
Mr. and Mrs. Larry Glenn Anderson
Dales concert to benefit Smith College
The Smith College Club of . Proceeds ( mt nt hps phr , i a , - c . hm . . . . . O -
The Smith College Club of
Phoenix scholarship benefit
will feature musical en-
tertainment at the Scottsdale
Center for the Arts.
The benefit, to be at 8 p.m.
Feb. 10, will offer the sounds
of the Richard Dales Chorale.
Progi
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aimed
at kids
Kindergym, a pre-school
movement education class at
the YMCA for children ages 3
to 6 will begin Tuesday.
Classes run 55 minutes for
eight weeks with 3 and 4 year
olds grouped together at
either 9:30 a.m. or 1:30 p.m.
The 5 and 6 year olds meet at
2:30 or 3:30 p.m. For further
information, contact the
Scottsdale YMCA. Class
enrollment is limited.
Proceeds go to the scholarship
fund for Smith College in
Northampton, Mass. Kay
Hartfelder of Scottsdale is the
Smith College Club president.
Since 1967 10 Phoenix-area
women have received more
than $60,000 in scholarships
from the school.
The thirty-two member
chorale, which will perform, is
directed byRichard Dales and
features some of the Valley's
singers. Included are Ann
McCaleb, Dorothy Lincoln,
Patricia, Strawbridge, Paul
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