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Functions
by Total Gadha - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 10:33 AM

In a CAT classroom or on the


internet, there are two kinds of
students- those who study and those
who believe that they are studying but
are actually not. Every time I start
taking a fresh batch, it hardly takes
one or two classes to identify both
types of students. And it has nothing
to do with intelligence or background.
It has to do with attitude and fighting
spirit. Every time I throw a problem in the class or post it in the
forums, the students who are studying would be trying hard to solve
the problem. They would arrive at an answer, whether right or wrong.
On the other hand, the students are who are just striking a pose of
studying would be waiting for me to give the answers and the
solutions. They would be acting as if they are thinking hard but in
reality would not be thinking at all. On the internet, I frequently see
students who waste time in idle chit chat when they should be busy

solving problems. They feel satisfied that they have done


something for their CAT by looking at problem or talking about CAT
to others but in essence they have done nothing and wasted one
more day. Students like these, as I tell my serious students, are
going to fill up the CAT form to give you your 99 percentile. One
thing I have learnt from my past experiences is that you can never
teach attitude to students. Either they have it or they dont. Whereas
winners focus on completing their tasks, whiners have excuses and
ways of work avoidance. In TathaGat, we have a strict rule for
students to submit one book review per week. And sometimes we
see the book review either copied from the net or written after
hearing about the content from their friends. We even have strict rule
for submission of quant or DI assignments. And many students turn
in their assignments half-attempted. The serious students, on the
other hand, finish their assignments before time and would
frequently come to me with Sir aur material mil sakta hai kya?
There is a world of difference between the two attitudes. Where I
constantly hear from the whiners Sir aap solve kar dijiye, I also
constantly hear from the winners Sir abhi answer mat batayiye,
solve karne dijiye. The only sane advice for the instructors in this
field, who sometimes feel as frustrated as I do, is- spend 80% of
your time with your winners. And winners are not the ones who
score at the top. They are the ones who are fighting the hardest,
whether they are weak or strong in the subject does not matter. And
for students on the internet who want to do idle chit chat in the
forums or engage in socializing, you would find TotalGadha.com too
boring a place. We are serious about studies here.
For our students on TG.com, we would like to share one of our
endeavors in CAT CBT Club- Video lessons. Dagny and I have
been tinkering with our camera and trying to make some good video
lessons for our CBT Club students. We have uploaded one such
video- Divisors of a number- for our TG junta. Do have a look and
give us your feedback. Unfortunately, to watch the rest of the
lessons that we are making, you will have to become a member of
our exclusive club.

Re: Functions
by Rohit Ghosh - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 01:31 PM

Nice article TG, as usual supreme quality.

Re: Functions
by abhik chakraborty - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 04:12 PM

tg sir,
i am puzzled of what category i am till now. but one thing i know for
sure what i should try to be or at least try to do. and the article on
function is incredible.
thank you.

Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 04:38 PM

Hi Abhik,
I really do not know about that but I think you (and everyone else)
should read thishttp://totalgadha.com/tgtown/amitkumar/2009/05/16/are-u-reallypreparing/
Total Gadha

Re: Functions
by Veena Binya - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 04:35 PM

Hi TG..
The range of the function 1/1+root(x) has been given as [0,1]
Should it not be (0,1] ?
Because it can only tend to 0, but can never become 0....
Regards
Veena

Re: Functions
by Nikhil Rajagopalan - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 06:00 PM

nice one

Re: Functions
by CATching CAT - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 06:24 PM

Lesson is as usual excellent.


But the sentence that stole the show is
Students like these, as I tell my serious students, are
going to fill up the CAT form to give you your 99 percentile.
A wake-up call .

Re: Functions

by SHEKHAR SHARMA - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 07:56 PM

hi tg sir......
really this article abt to know urself that in which catagory i am, is
really inspirable.........n also basic knowledge abt function is very
good.
thank you sir

Re: Functions
by William Wallace - Friday, 3 July 2009, 02:07 PM

Awesome article as usual but i dont know when to calculate


f(x+1) and when to f(1-x) or f(x-1) so as to get a relation
between two sequence.
for example in question
f(1)=3600 and f(1) + f(2) + ....f(n)=n^2f(n)
u have calculated f(n+1) to simplify but in question
f(x)=9^x/(9^x + 3)
u have calculated f(1-x).
I guess this decision comes with practise but still i want to ask you
any tips on how to decide which value to calculate.
Please suggest

Re: Functions
by ayush roy - Friday, 3 July 2009, 03:56 PM

sir

it is a vry nice article....


sir m an engineering student,have passed out this year only,a vry
serious follower of this site,n a big fan of ur articles.....
wen i was preparin for IIT JEE,the most serious prb which i was
facin was to sketch the graphs, i always wanted to do that,coz it
helped a lot in physics also.
sir what ever u hav explained ovr here is abt analyzin a
function,which m vry gud at,but it has nvr helpd me in sketchin d
graphs....i was nvr able to correlate both analyzin and sketchin.
plz tell me how i can do that vry easily,without puttin values into a
function.
thank you

Re: Functions
by shiva chepuri - Friday, 3 July 2009, 06:58 PM

it is a wonderful article !!!


please discuss types of function if possible
sir
Sqrt(4-x2)
range should be (-infinity , 2]
because sqrt(x) outcome is R

Doubt In Functions
by A B C - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 01:43 PM

HI TG...
I have a doubt here..

f(x) = odd and g(x) = even then f(g(x)) = odd..


now consider f(x) = x^3 and g(x) = x^2 than
f(g(x)) = x^6..which is an even function and hence contradicts
the statement...
Am i missing some concept here ..?

Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 06:18 PM

Hi Shiva,
Give me one example when it is more than 2.
Total Gadha

Re: Doubt In Functions


by Total Gadha - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 06:20 PM

Hi Shailendra,
I don't see the statement you have mentioned. The case you are
mentioning, I have specified that it is an even function. Where is the
contradiction?
Total Gadha

Re: Doubt In Functions


by manjushaa srinivasan - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 11:02 PM

Hi TG
i found your article very thought-provoking and clear cut.Himanshu's
blog was also very inspirational.In my opinion any serious CAT
aspirant who reads your article would become more dedicated
towards his/her CAT preparation.Your explanation of functions was
also very useful.I just want 1 advice from you.I'm not natural with
quant.Even though i've been practising all along,i'm not sure if i can
think as analytically as most of the other aspirants who are strong in
quant .so far i've tried to cover all chapters but i would like to know if
i'd be able to crack the quant section if i'm well versed with number
system,geometry,averages,percentages,alligations,profit and
loss,interest,functions,set
theory,progressions,probability,logarithms,surds and
indices.although i'm practising problems from P&C,Mensuration but i
get stuck when the sum is slightly twisted.this is worrying me.
Regards
manjushaa

Re: Doubt In Functions


by manjushaa srinivasan - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 11:05 PM

I also have a problem visualising 3 D figures especially cubes which


is hampering my speed and accuracy in mensuration to a great
extent.What exactly should i do about this?

Re: Functions
by Mohit Sharma - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 01:40 AM

Nice Article...Tg

Re: Doubt In Functions


by Total Gadha - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 04:31 AM

Hi Manjusha,
The trick to get good at quant is to try and solve a lot of problems on
your own. Try to solve them in any which manner that you can- by
putting values, by generalizing, by longer methods or by using
theorems etc. But solve as much as you can. You will get good at
this as you go along.
Total Gadha

Re: Doubt In Functions


by Veena Binya - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 09:46 AM

Hi TG..
The range of the function 1/1+root(x) has been given as [0,1]
Should it not be (0,1] ?
Because it can only tend to 0, but can never become 0....
Regards
Veena

Re: Doubt In Functions


by manjushaa srinivasan - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 02:34 PM

hi TG
Thanks for the reply.
previously when cat was CBT,it was feasible to leave few tough topics like P&
etc if we were strong with number
system,geometry,P&L,percentages,functions,averages,alligations,progressi
the new pattern do we have cover the entire syllabus?how is it possible to so
computer screen especially the ones which involve tables where we need to
rankings etc?Since skimming and scanning of RCs,skillful selection of sitter
redundant now,what should be our new strategy?

Re: Doubt In Functions


by amit jain - Monday, 6 July 2009, 10:45 PM

can some one explain the question, area between the coordinate
axis and fff(x). I am nt getting it.

Re: Functions
by Prakash jain - Wednesday, 8 July 2009, 07:48 AM

sir you have realy openend my eyes, i belong to the 1st category, i
have been pretending to prepare for CAT since 2 year but today i
have realised that my previous efforts were not true, now I promise
you that i will seriously prepare for this exam,and will perform
well,thank you so much for such a wonderful article...

Re: Functions
by Dipanjan Biswas - Wednesday, 8 July 2009, 12:18 PM

At first I want to give you thanks for writing such a helluva article..It
helped me to find my loopholes regarding one of the most important
sections of quant.
I would like to draw your attention on a few typo errors..
(1)How to draw a graph of F(x): Point number three..Latter one
should be for maximum..
(2)f(x)=x^3(x+2) the second derivative of this function is positive..
Sir,
I find it hard to draw any rectangular hyperbola graph..Can you
elucidate it further..
TG Rockzzz\m/

Re: Functions
by dishant dhokia - Thursday, 9 July 2009, 11:58 AM

For how many values of x is f(f(f(x))) = 19?


In this sum
f(f(f(x))) = 19
The next step is f(f(x)) = 38.
I am not able to deduce this..
Please someone elaborate???????????

Re: Functions
by Dipanjan Biswas - Friday, 10 July 2009, 08:21 AM

Hi Dishant,
Look at the function..
See f(x) = x/2 if x is even
= x+1 if x is odd
In other way
x=2f(x) if f(x) is either even or odd
x=f(x)-1 if f(x) is even
As f(x)=19=odd
so x=38
likewise f(x)=38
x=76 or 37
likewise f(x)=76
x=152 or 75
for f(x)=37
x=74
so {x}=>{74,75,152}
Hope it helps

Cheers!!

Got a doubt
by Varun Agrawal - Friday, 10 July 2009, 03:01 PM

Please discuss types of function if possible


sir
Sqrt(4-x2)
range should be [-2 , 2]
because sqrt(x) of a number gives 2 values. Positive and negative.
Can you please elucidate how it is [0,2]
Thanks

Re: Got a doubt


by Dipanjan Biswas - Saturday, 11 July 2009, 01:38 PM

Varun please do go back to the question..


It does not want the range of x rather the range of f(x).
Max of f(x)=2 when x=0
Min of f(x)=0 when x=+-2
So f(x) [0,2]
Please don't be in haste before raising your doubts. TG family takes
utmost care before publishing these lessons..
Hope you have accepted my comment on a positive note!!
All the best!!

Re: Functions

by shiva chepuri - Saturday, 11 July 2009, 08:00 PM

yes sir
got it
but it should be [-2,2]
if i am wrong
plz correct

Re: Functions
by Varun Goenka - Sunday, 12 July 2009, 10:22 PM

the func. is basically y=sqrt(4-x^2)


i.e. y^2=4-x^2
this is equation of a circle...x^2 + y^2 = 4...with origin as centre and 2
as radius...
but the given f(x) is just the upper half of the circle..
y=sqrt(4 - x^2)...is for upper half of the circle...
y= -sqrt(4 - x^2)...is for lower half of the circle...
our question is related to upper half of the circle...so range is [0,2]
and domain is [-2,2]..
I think this should help...
Regards,
Varun Goenka

Re: Functions

by Siddharth sahoo - Monday, 13 July 2009, 03:36 PM

@sahil, As discussed by you, x^2 * x^3 will be x^5. X^m * x^n =


x(m+n).x5 is an odd function.

Re: Doubt In Functions


by soumen paul - Tuesday, 14 July 2009, 06:59 PM

f(x)=x^3 is not a odd function if x=2,4,6........


g(x)=x^2 is not a even function if x=3,5,7........
f(x)=2x+1 is a odd function for 0,1,2.....
g(x)=2x+2 is a even function for 0,1,2......
so here f[g(x)]=4x+5 is a odd function

Re: Functions
by Ashish Kumar - Thursday, 16 July 2009, 12:23 AM

lol PATAKKA article....but what i loved more is those who are


whiners and are reading this can actually do something still coz there
is still time but even after this if they cannot do anything then trust me
they are helping the winners more n more lol ROFL !!!

Re: Functions
by A S - Thursday, 16 July 2009, 04:19 AM

Hi TG,

Simply superb article...I think I have fallen in love with functions...can


you please add more problems on functions? or may be one set of
problems? or may be some book....anything will do....

Re: Functions
by A S - Thursday, 16 July 2009, 04:24 AM

hi dishant,
take it this way...can f(x) ever be odd?
when x is odd, f(x)=x+1...so it will always give you even f(x)..
when x is even, f(x)=x/2; this is only chance when you can get odd
f(x)..
here f(m) [m=f(f(x)) ] is odd.....so m must be even...
that means m/2=38
so, m=76 i.e. f(f(x))=76..
hope it helps

Re: Functions
by piyush dixit - Friday, 17 July 2009, 09:39 PM

HI TG,
I am a frequent reader of your post, and following this site almost
since its inception. I am an adherent fan of yours, BUT I am very
disappointed with this article of yours, and hence writing to you for
the first time. I guess, you started this whole exercise of
totalgadha.com to ridicule the jargon taught by famous coaching
classes in their curriculum to show their superiority among the
students community, TG i belive you started the exercise to change
the way education system works at this level. But it seems you are
getting infected by the same BUG.

I am sorry, if i have misunderstood you.


Hats off for all your other posts, which I have been through.
PIYUSH

Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Sunday, 19 July 2009, 10:49 PM

Hi Piyush,
I am infected by what I do, down to my last nail. My opinion
should hardly matter to you. Take what is good and ignore
everything else.
Total Gadha

Re: Functions
by Surinder Pal Singh - Saturday, 25 July 2009, 09:43 AM

Hi TG Sir,
Excellent article.
But the link above is infected with a Trojan Horse.
Kindly verify its integrity as I was just saved by my firewall.
Keep up the good work
Regards
Surinder

Re: Functions
by gaurav kaushal - Sunday, 26 July 2009, 11:35 PM

hi tg sir ,
thx for this gr8 article.....
now dat i v read this whole article ...where can i get some questions
related to this article...so dat i can just make the concepts more
clear
thanks a lot..sir

Re: Functions
by vivek ghiria - Monday, 27 July 2009, 10:09 AM

Hi TG
I have few doubts in Functions.
If the first derivative f'(x) is positive, then the function f(x) is
increasing.
If the first derivative f'(x) is negative, then the function f(x) is
decreasing.
For f(x) = x^3-4x^2+1
f'(x) = 3x^2-8x ....(1)
Now how to know whether expression (1) is +ve or -ve to determine
increasing or decreasing charactersitic?
Also I recall there is some way to determine whether f(x) is
continuous or not from first derivative of f(x).
Please explain that rule also.
Thanks Vivek

Re: Doubt In Functions


by dilip rathore - Tuesday, 4 August 2009, 04:12 PM

g(x) is calculated for some x and some value is obtained. later "this
value" is put into f(x). so f(g(x)) is not actually x^6.
e.g. for x= 2, g(x) = g(2) = 4
so f(g(x)) = f(4) = 4^3.
now (4)^3 and (-4)^3 are not same right :P

Re: Functions
by dilip rathore - Tuesday, 4 August 2009, 04:34 PM

hi vivek,
i think we check f''(x) to determine if the function is increasing or
decreasing.
for your example f(x) = x^3-4x^2+1
f'(x) = 3x2 - 8x
f''(x) = 6x-8
for x > 4/3 , function is increasing and for less than 4/3 , its
decreasing (slope).
pls let me know if i am wrong

Re: Functions
by himanshu gupta - Saturday, 8 August 2009, 07:28 PM

thank u sir 4 such a good article.sir is thr any oter approach to solve
th last 2 ques??

Re: Functions
by abhishek tripathi - Sunday, 9 August 2009, 04:14 AM

well sir i am a new user over here i found dis site preety useful but
regarding first question to find out the range can u exactly tell me
how do we aarive at 38 when (fx)=19 since it is odd and according 2
function definaion in da question it should be x+1=20 me will b very
glad if u tell me how 2 solve dese type of questions.

Re: Functions
by Jiggs Sanyal - Monday, 17 August 2009, 10:03 AM

Hello TG Sir,
I am a hardcore fan of your articles and of the TG website.
It is the first website that I open everyday. But for the last few weeks,
I have been sort of disappointed coming here, because you have
completely stopped writing articles for people like me who are not a
part of the CAT CBT club. In one of the discussion forums, I had
seen you mention that TG is for those who have the zeal to make
their dreams come true. I have the requisite zeal but then TG now
seems to have become more and more commercialised. I am not
against commercialisation but you should keep in mind those who
have the zeal but not the bulky pockets to pay.
Sorry If I hurt you in any way. you are the ideal motivator to me.

Re: Functions
by Jai Prakash - Saturday, 22 August 2009, 07:39 PM

Thanks TG. I've been a guy mentioned by you. but now i


promise that i'll work hard and..... whatever directed by you and
necessary for excelling. It's my 1st post. TG had been rocking but
this time it made rhe rivers of truth flow from eyes. I never posted
on TG as i have been getting the answers of my questions from
orher's posts. I've made the sentence of TG Sir " YOU ARE NEVER
LATE" the ultimate source of inspiration. Thanks a ton for showing
me the mittor. Hope the other guys too will correct themselves.
Sir due to time constraints i'm not posting some querries. Will do it
later on.........
"ITS BETTER TO FAIL IN DOING SOMETHING THAN TO EXCEL
IN DOING NOTHING."

Re: Functions
by Vivek .. - Saturday, 5 September 2009, 01:30 PM

hi,, i m a regular visitor of totalgadha.com & i really appreciate ur


work..
all i want to know is,,if sum1 starts prep now for cat,,does he has any
chance of clearing it. i m clear wid 50 % of the concepts pof all the 3
subs. but prob is i m never able to get marks or %ile upto my
satistfaction or wat is reqd.,,so i m confused of whther wil i b able to
do it or nt?
in the last 3 mocks of tathagat i scored 24,25 & 15 marks & i m very
ashamed of this score. It wud be helpful if u give me ur sincere
advice of shud i stop following the dream or nt? thank you.

Re: Functions
by saurabh chauhan - Saturday, 5 September 2009, 11:27 PM

Hi Jay...
nice quote...
"ITS BETTER TO FAIL IN DOING SOMETHING THAN TO EXCEL

IN DOING NOTHING."
i'll make this my driving factor rom today...and many thanks to
TG..the article.."Are u really prepaing?" inspired me a lot...nw i'll
really pepare and get through......my prep. starts now.................3 2
1......go....
saurabh

Re: Functions
by Vivek .. - Sunday, 6 September 2009, 09:19 AM

INFACT U CAN SAY THAT I WAS A 2ND TYPE OF STUDENT


UPTIL NOW BUT YOUR ARTICLE HAS REALLY OPENED NOT
ONLY MY EYES BUT MY VIEW & I M SERIOUSLY SERIOUS
NOW. JZ TEL ME THAT CAN SUM1 OR HAS HAS1 CLEARED
CAT WITH PREPARATION IN SUCH A SHORT SPAN.??
ANXIOUSLY WAITIN FOR YOUR REPLY.

Re: Functions
by Jai Prakash - Monday, 7 September 2009, 04:51 PM

Dear vivek saini


it seems (perhaps) you haven't rushed through the various posts of
TG. What TG sir say to such question is "YOU ARE NEVER LATE".
Work honestly and yu will make it....
Best wishes...
Jai Praqas

Re: Functions

by hbk Not joining IIML - Monday, 14 September 2009, 05:36 PM

Forget function guys, this guy(TG) can inject attitude in U. A really


serious one. Hats off.
****************I'm gonna get back soon************************

Re: Functions
by subhadip mahalanabish - Wednesday, 16 September 2009,
01:45 PM

Dear TG sir,
consider the function y=x/(x^2+1). We have to find the range of this
function. If we directly put x=0, we will get y=0, then if we put x=1
then y=1/2, for x=3, y = 3/10, for y=4, x=4/17 and so on, so the
maximum value of the function is 1/2 at x=1 and then the function
decreases as x increases, same is true for negative values of x, in
the negative side minimum value of y is -1/2(at x= -1) and then y
increases as x decreases. so range of the function should be -1/2
<= y <= +1/2 including y = 0.
But if we calulate in this way,
y = x/x^2 + 1
=> x^y -x + y= 0
=> x = {1+-sqrt(1-4y^2)}/2*y.
Hence range will be, -1/2<=y<=+1/2 excluding y = 0.
Here we are seeing that y cant be equal to zero.
But previously we already saw that y can be 0 for x= 0.
How can we remove the confusion of which result is to be used?
regards,
Subhadip.

Re: Functions
by subhadip mahalanabish - Wednesday, 16 September 2009,
03:45 PM

hi all,
On giving a second look I found myself that the function is
discontinuous at x=0.Probably this is the reason why y=0 is not to be
considered in the range of the the function.
regards,
Subhadip.

Re: Functions
by hbk Not joining IIML - Saturday, 19 September 2009, 06:18 PM

@subhadip
In your approach we are considering the eqn (x^2)y -x+y as a
quadratic in x having coft of y. By defn of quadratic eqn coeft of x^2
can't be zero hence with this approach we may not get y=0 as a
feasible. It has to checked separately.

thanx.....
by raghav sharma - Sunday, 27 September 2009, 03:34 PM

sir...
your adomitable aproach towards conspt has really given a lot of helf
to me solve my probs....
thanx a ton...

Re: Doubt In Functions


by Kishan Kumar - Thursday, 12 November 2009, 12:09 AM

f(x) = odd and g(x) = even then "f(g(x)) = odd.."


you went wrong at this part

it is not odd its even

Re: Doubt In Functions


by Subhash Medhi - Saturday, 22 May 2010, 05:45 PM

Dear TG sir,
I have a doubt in the solution to the question,
Let f(x) be a function with domain 0<=x<=1 defined as
2x if 0<=x<=1/2
f(x) = {
-2x + 2 if 1/2<=x<=1
Find the area of the curve y = f(f(f(x))) and the coordinate axis.
in the second line,
0 <= f(f(f(x))) <= 1 --> 1/2 <= f(f(x)) <= 1 --> 1/4 <= f(x) <= 1/2 -->1/8<=x<=1/4
The doubt is that if 1/2 <= f(f(x)) <= 1 then shouldn't it imply that
1/2 <= -2f(x) + 2 <= 1 which would imply 1/2 <= f(x) <= 3/4 ? Since
f(f(x)) lies in the interval [1/2,1], shouldn't we be using the second
part of the definition of f(x) ?.Kindly clarify my doubt.
I am having very similar doubts in the subsequent lines of the
solution.Kindly help me out.
Regards,
Subhash

Re: Doubt In Functions


by shail mishra - Thursday, 10 June 2010, 07:44 PM

Hello TG
I also couldn't understand the above mentioned question. Kindly
explain it.

Regards
SM

Re: Doubt In binomials


by Ankur Bansal - Friday, 2 July 2010, 08:17 AM

Hello TG Sir and hi to ALL


Can anyone help me with binomial theorems and help me in
finding out the coefficients.
For ex. Find the coefficient of x in (1+2x+3x^2)^15(1+x)^5 ?
And i am really interested in knowing the concept for these type of
problems???
And TG Sir, if you can then pls come up with one good article on
Binomial Theorems.
Thanks in advance.
Ankur

Re: Doubt In binomials


by amit kheterpal - Friday, 2 July 2010, 11:52 AM

Find the coefficient of x in (1+2x+3x^2)^15(1+x)^5 ?


2x+3x^2=a
(1+a)^15=1+5c1*a+15c2*a^2+...........15c15*a15

(1+x)^5=1+15c1*x+5c2*x^2+.......5c5*x^5

now,(1+15c1*a+15c2*a^2+...........15c15*a15)*(1+5c1*x+5c2*x^2+.......5c5*x^

putting the value of a


so coffecient of x will be 5c1+(15c1)*2
=35

Re: Doubt In binomials


by Ankur Bansal - Friday, 2 July 2010, 12:57 PM

Hi Amit,
Thanks for reply
And for the same problem if we have to find the coefficient of
x^4 then how we will proceed?
Thanks in advance!!!!!

Re: Functions
by G D - Tuesday, 6 July 2010, 05:27 PM

Nice one,

Re: Functions
by Tasmai Merchant - Monday, 26 July 2010, 05:14 PM

Hey Guys .....I wanna kno if buying books from Tg like number
system, or geometry wud be of any help....nd i can't find any book
on algebra...can u plz suggest me some options of buying one..

Re: Doubt In Functions


by Ritesh Raman - Thursday, 5 August 2010, 03:25 AM

TG Sir,
Thanks a lot for your out of the world kind of materials.
I am just giving some lines on find the area of f(F(f(x)))...ques.
OOOPS late to reply but may be useful for guys who look from now
on.
First we will find f(f(x))
It should come as
4x ; 0x1/4
-4x + 2 ; 1/4x1/2
4x - 2 ; 1/2x3/4
-4x + 4 ; 3/4x1
Then find f(f(f(x))).This shuld be
8x ; 0x1/8
-8x + 2 ; 1/8x1/4
8x - 2 ; 1/4x3/8
-8x + 4 ; 3/8x1/2
8x - 4 ; 1/2x5/8
-8x + 6 ; 5/8x3/4
8x - 6 ; 3/4x7/8
-8x + 8 ; 7/8x1
Now the min value of each funct(straight line ) is 0 and max is 1.
You can verify it by sub. values
This gives us the graph that TG sir provided.
Hence area = 8 * (1/2*1/8*1) = 1/2 sq unit.
I hope there is no mistake.
Is it correct Sir???

Re: Functions
by Deepak Kumar - Thursday, 5 August 2010, 12:26 PM

Hi TG Sir,
Its always feel nice to read your articals.
For the last problem for calculating f(94), I approached this way.
As f(x)+ f(x-1)=x^2...........(1)
on replacing x with x+1;
f(x+1)+f(x)=(x+1)^2........(2)
Now subtracting (1) from (2)
f(x+1)-f(x-1)=2x+1..........(3)
On putting values of x as 93,89........19 will give LHS as
f(94)-f(18).
f(18) can be easily calculated from (1) when f(19) is given.
This approach will reduce RHS to an easy airthmatic progression.
thanks a lot for your help sir.

Re: Functions
by himanshu jha - Thursday, 5 August 2010, 06:40 PM

hi tg sir,
i know this is not the place to contact you..but i couldnt find any
other way...try to reach u thrgh ur admin mail but dat too in vain...i ve
just got one query i want to join cbt club..i want to pay thrgh demand
draft but in it "payable at" option is given..so what to fill in dat new
delhi r something else....if any other person knows it then please let
me know or any other way to contact tg sir...
thanxs in advance...

Re: Functions
by wishy wishy - Friday, 5 August 2011, 05:28 PM

Please correct me if I am wrong:

In the last question,f(x) + f(x-1) = x^2 then f(1) = 1, f(2) = 3 , f(3) = 6,


f(4) = 10 i.e, f(n) = n(n+1)/2 => f(19) = 190 and hence f(94)= 4565

Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Friday, 5 August 2011, 10:02 PM

hi himanshu.
it should be New Delhi

Re: Functions
by Gregory Matchado - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 05:39 PM

Hi TG..
Thank you so much for all the articles.. !!!
And let me also tell you that you're videos on divisors, remainders
and co primes are just tooooooo brilliant...
Thanks a lot..

Re: Functions
by abhinay dutta - Thursday, 8 September 2011, 06:50 PM

hi,
i have calculated the last question in post and arrived at 4181.
guys please chk , and correct me if i m wrong....

Re: Functions
by nitin sharma - Friday, 16 September 2011, 11:58 AM

Hi TG sir
i didnot get the explanation of d 1st quest of f(f(f(x)))) where domain
of x was 0<x<1..som1 plz help me..i men how did u draw the graph..

Re: Functions
by IIM gadha - Friday, 16 September 2011, 12:26 PM

@TG sir,
The graph drawn for f(f(f(x))) is incorrect. Till 0<x<1/2, the graph is of
2x but from 1/2<x<1 the graph should be of -2X + 2 i.e the one with
negative slope not positive as shown in your graph. Though, the
area remains unaffected but the graph is wrong. Please correct me
or yourself.

Re: Functions
by TG Team - Friday, 16 September 2011, 04:47 PM

Vibha
Function given is for f(x) but the area is asked for f(f(f(x))).
Please check before posting.
Kamal Lohia

Re: Functions

by IIM gadha - Friday, 16 September 2011, 04:57 PM

@Kamal sir
Apologies!

Re: Functions
by ketav sharma - Saturday, 17 September 2011, 06:49 PM

hanji dutta sahib its 4181

Re: Functions
by Rahul Sharma - Tuesday, 11 October 2011, 08:13 PM

HI TG,
the below mentioned link that u shared is net getting opened, could
you please help me with it.
http://totalgadha.com/tgtown/amitkumar/2009/05/16/are-u-reallypreparing/
Rahul Sharma

Re: Functions
by Kamal Joshi - Friday, 14 October 2011, 09:07 PM

Dear TG sir,
The links such as these return a fatal error through out the site.

Kindly resolve the issue. can't afford to miss the Gyan from you.
http://totalgadha.com/tgtown/amitkumar/2009/05/16/are-u-reallypreparing/
Thanks to you, Kamal sir, Dagny ma'm and rest of the awesome
team!

Re: Functions
by vasu r - Tuesday, 18 October 2011, 01:03 PM

how to sketch t graph in t question of f(f(fx)))? y divide into 8 parts??


cud u pl explain ?

Re: Functions
by TG Team - Tuesday, 18 October 2011, 01:32 PM

Hi Vasu
Just don't look at the solution and only try to see/analyse the
question and thge function given.
See if f(x) is some linear function what about the degree of
f(f(x))????
It'll also remain a linear function as you are just replacing 'x' in f(x) by
f(x). So degree of f(f(x)) is not changing.
Similarly f(f(f(x))) is also a linear function. But as f(x) was a different
function in deferent periods, so is the case with f(f(f(x))) also. Now it
will be better that you try yourself to findout period and then graph of
new function.
Kamal Lohia

Re: Functions
by Ravi Kumar - Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 02:43 PM

Re: Functions
by IIM gadha - Friday, 16 September 2011, 12:26 PM
@TG sir,
The graph drawn for f(f(f(x))) is incorrect. Till 0<x<1/2, the graph is of
2x but from 1/2<x<1 the graph should be of -2X + 2 i.e the one with
negative slope not positive as shown in your graph. Though, the
area remains unaffected but the graph is wrong. Please correct me
or yourself.

yepp, the function f(f(f(x))) wont be a sawtooth-wave but a triangular


wave with 4 peaks at 1/8, 3/8, 5/8 & 7/8 respectively, and will be
zero at 0, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 & 1.
y-axis
|
|
| /\
/\
/\
/\
| / \ / \ / \ / \
|/ \ / \ / \ / \
__|/______\/______\/______\/______\______ x axis
0
1/4 1/2 3/4
1
answer = 4 . (1/2 . 1/4 . 1) = 4. 1/8 = 1/2 remains the same
though...

Re: Functions
by King Casanov - Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 02:29 PM

@ TG Sir and Kamal Saar...would this suffice the need of CAT'11


Function part of QA or anything more req.? If so please inform/
provide a link to..

Thanks in advance...
The KING

Re: Functions
by TG Team - Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 04:11 PM

Ravi
Thanks for the correction. It'll be updated in the article soon.
Kamal Lohia

Re: Functions
by ayush lakhotia - Monday, 7 November 2011, 06:29 PM

Kamal Sir,
f(a+b)=F(a)+F(b) and f(5)=12. Find F(12)
Please help me in solving this.

Re: Functions
by TG Team - Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 02:42 PM

Hi Ayush
Given is: f(a + b) = f(a) + f(b)
For a = b, we have: f(2a) = 2f(a)
Similarly if we put b = 2a in given equation, we get: f(3a) = 3f(a)

using second equation also.


So in general, f(na) = nf(a).
Now given is: f(5) = 12.
So f(12) = f((12/5)5) = (12/5)f(5) = (12/5)12 = 144/5.
Kamal Lohia

Re: Functions
by ashutosh kumar - Thursday, 14 June 2012, 10:25 AM

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Re: Functions
by ashutosh kumar - Thursday, 14 June 2012, 10:26 AM

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