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Water Captains: How to Be Effective Advocates in the Regional Water Planning Process
Water Planning in Region L (South Central Texas Regional Water Planning Group)
Saturday, May 16, 2015 - 9 AM - 3 PM
William R. Sinkin Eco Centro (1802 North Main Avenue, San Antonio, Texas 78212)
9:15 AM: Check-in, networking with coffee & juice
10:00 AM: Welcome followed by:
Water in Our God-Drenched Universe - Linda Gibler, O.P., Ph.D., Assistant Professor
of Science and Religion & Associate Academic Dean, Oblate School of Theology
Opportunities and Innovations in Water Conservation - Calvin R. Finch, Ph.D.,
Horticulturist and Urban Water Program Director, Texas A&M Institute of Renewable
Natural Resources
Waterways - Kamala Platt, Ph.D., M.F.A., educator & author
Conserving Land Conserves Water: What Happens on the Land Has Everything to
Do with Our Future Water Supply - Charlie Flatten, Water Policy Program Manager,
Hill Country Alliance
Discussion
12:15 PM: Lunch & Presentation:
Water Planning in Texas: How Did We Get Here? - Norman Boyd, Region L
Member, San Antonio Bay Ecosystem Leader, Texas Parks & Wildlife
How Does the Regional Water Planning Process Work - John Kight, Region L
Member, former Kendall County Commissioner
Water Planning: Exclusion, Socializing Costs, and Unequal Influence: A Critical
Review - Carol Mendoza Fisher, Technical Director, Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
Fracking and Water Planning - Meredith Miller, Senior Program Coordinator, The
Meadows Center for Water and the Environment
How Can Citizens Get Involved in the Water Planning Process - Sonia Jimenez,
Ximenes & Associates
2:45 PM: Next Steps and Adjourn
Join us on Thursday, May 21, 2015 at William R. Sinkin Eco Centro (1802 North
Main Avenue, San Antonio, Texas 78212) to draft a white paper & citizen's guide to
water planning in Region L at one of the following times. Please RSVP to Diane
Duesterhoeft at dduesterhoeft@gmail.com or 210-254-0245:
11 AM - 1 PM (lunch provided)
7 PM - 9 PM
Post follow up comments at https://www.facebook.com/events/461266597363418/
Region L: http://www.regionltexas.org/
o 2016 Initially Prepared (Draft) Region L Plan:
Vol I: http://www.regionltexas.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2016-Region-L-IPP-Vol-I.pdf
Vol II: http://www.regionltexas.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2016-Region-L-IPP-Vol-II.pdf
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Psalm 19
The heavens are telling the glory of God;
and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours forth speech,
and night to night declares knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words;
their voice is not heard;
yet their voice goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.
John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world
that he gave his only Son,
so that everyone who believes in him
may not perish but have eternal life.
Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world
to condemn the world,
but in order that the
world might be saved
through him.
Thomas Aquinas, OP
(1225 - 1274)
It is evident that the opinion is false of those
who asserted that it made no difference to the
truth of the faith what anyone holds about
creatures, so long as one thinks rightly about
God, For error concerning creatures, spills
over into false opinion about God.
Summa Contra Gentiles II:3:6
Augustine of Hippo
(354 - 430)
Some people, in order to discover God, read books.
But there is a great book: the very appearance of
created things. Look above you! Look below you!
Note it. Read it. God, whom you want to discover,
never wrote that book with ink. Instead He set
before your eyes the things that He had made. Can
you ask for a louder voice than that? Why, heaven
and earth shout to you: "God made me!"
De Civit. Dei, Book XVI
Hydrogen Nuclei
13.8 Billion Years ago
Oxygen Formation
~1 Million Years ATB
Water Formation
~100 Million Years ATB
Stellar Nursery
Solar System
5 Billion Years Ago
Earth
4.6 Billion Years Ago
Comets
Out gassing
Oceans
4 Billion Years Ago
Early Life
3.8 Billion Years Ago
Waters Recede
Animals to Land
~430 Million Years Ago
Amphibian Eggs
~370 Million Years Ago
Reptilian Eggs
~313 Million Years Ago
Flowers
~235 Million Years Ago
Mammalian Eggs
~216 Million Years Ago
Hominids
~3.9 Million Years Ago
Homo sapiens
~150 Thousand Years Ago
Internal Oceans
Aqua sapiens
Baptism
New Birth
Cleanses
Sustains
One River
Comprehensive Compassion
Global Impact
6 years ago
The Anthropocene Named
It is estimated that:
one-third of all reef-building corals,
a third of all fresh-water mollusks,
a third of sharks and rays,
a quarter of all mammals,
a fifth of all reptiles, and
a sixth of all birds
are headed toward oblivion."
Elizabeth Kolbert, The Sixth Extinction
Hosea 4:1-3
Hear the word of the Lord, O people of Israel;
for the Lord has an indictment against
the inhabitants of the land.
There is no faithfulness or loyalty,
and no knowledge of God in the land.
Swearing, lying, and murder,
and stealing and adultery break out;
bloodshed follows bloodshed.
Therefore the land mourns,
and all who live in it languish;
together with the wild animals
and the birds of the air,
even the fish of the sea are perishing.
Hieroglyphic Stairway
It's 3:23 in the morning,
and I'm awake
because my great, great, grandchildren
won't -let -me -sleep.
My great, great, grandchildren
ask me in dreams
what did you do,
while the planet was plundered?
What did you do,
when the Earth was unravelling?
Surely you did something
when the seasons started failing
as the mammals, reptiles, and birds
were all dying?
What did you do
once
you
knew?
Drew Dellinger Planetize the Movement
Why Advocate
for
Because:
Water Reveals a God-Drenched Universe
Gods presence flows in water
God Loves the World
Blessing of People and Creation are
interwoven
Humans are part of Earths salvation
We are called to love what God loves
Drought Survivability
Horticultural Industry overestimates the
minimum water needs of landscape plants
Many Plants survive well on 30% of potential
evaporation rather than 60% or more currently
recommended
If it is True,
Water purveyors can reduce estimates of water
needed for landscapes if they convince (educate)
or regulate their constituents
Retail nurseries can market based on more
accurate water need data
Landscape plans can be developed with specific
reduced water needs reflected
Drought management rules can be imposed in
emergencies with more confidence and lower
landscape water allowances
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Graywater Definitions
Graywater used water from the clothes washer,
shower, and bathroom sink 40 gallons/day person
Blackwater used water from toilet, kitchen sink and
washing machine if you wash diapers
Reuse water treated wastewater that is recycled for
use on landscapes, in manufacturing, and even for
potable water
Graywater Use
Simplest hose end moved around lawn
Mitchell Lake Demonstration Drip irrigation on raised beds
Depression areas use mulch to fill depression where water is
deposited.
Graywater Handouts
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Lost Water
Also called non-revenue water
Difference between water treated or pumped and
what is actually sold.
Classic loss is from leaks in pipes.
Just as likelymeters inaccurate, unmetered water
Other causesbad bookkeeping, stolen water, fires
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Lost Water
Common 25% lost
Good 10% Lost
Remedies
Full metering and regular replacement
Leak Detection and repair
Accurate record keeping
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Hint
Not This
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Wheres the
Conservation?
Residential peak demand will rise without changes
Homes with
irrigation
systems use
51% more water
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Program Focus:
Landscape Literacy
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Conservation
Consultations
Our best resource is our people
Free to any SAWS water customer
Gives customers the confidence to make landscape changes
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Benefits of Program
Our mantraGet our hands on the controller
Estimated average saving 4000 gals a month per consult
Recent review shows savings to hold over several years in
residential (not so much in commercial)
Customers now on the Conservation Team
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Irrigation Systems
For improvements or removals
Pay $450 for the removal of irrigation in homes
Currently under review for larger rebates
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Focus on Starter
Gardeners
Increase Landscape Literacy
Provides bed plans and limited plant choices
200 sf of turf removed15 plants to addirrigation capped in bed
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Contact Information
Calvin.finch@tamu.edu
210 277- 0292 Ext 103 cell 210 382 4455
Website: wctc.tamu.edu
Includes archives of environmentally appropriate
gardening and water conservation articles
Website: plantanswers.com
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Opportunity to perform the 50 hours of volunteer service over 20 weeks at 2 hrs/week plus 10
hours for team meetings and reviews
Part of an important Texas A&M study is to determine the minimum water requirements of 100
popular landscape plants
Work with Dr. Calvin Finch and the rest of the research team (Amy Truong, Forrest Cobb, Troy
Luepke) in topics of plant physiology, water conservation, horticulture, drop irrigation, and
sensor technology.
Work with a team of 20 or more volunteers with similar interests.
Facebook site and Communications are available.
Data Collection:
Appearance RatingEvery week each plant will be rated by 3 members of the data collection team in
terms of appearance. There are five categories of appearance (1) lush (2) stable (3) wilt (4) leaf drop and
(5) dead. The definitions are attached as an appendix.
Appearance ratings will be made every Friday at 9AM beginning June 5 and continuing through October
30, 2015. A data collection note book will be provided.
There will be a team of 16 appearance raters. Fifteen of the volunteers will be assigned responsibility for
1 row of test subjects in each treatment. It is estimated that the rating will require 2 hours to complete
each week. The 16th team member will coordinate and serve as a temporary replacement as needed.
Training will be provided and a regular meeting with the research team will be available.
Sensor Data CollectionAn important part of the study result will be to relate soil moisture levels and
infrared foliar temperatures to changes in appearance due to water stress.
A team of five (5) volunteers will form the sensor data collection team. They will use soil meter sensors
and infrared temperature detecting instruments to record soil moisture levels and foliar temperatures
every week.
This data collection team will record data for 2 hours every Friday beginning in May and proceeding until
the end of October.
Site Maintenance TeamThe DSS is a one (1) acre site with 15,000 sq ft in the treatment area.
Tasks include spreading mulch, pulling weeds, string mowing, applying herbicide with a wick
applicator or a back pack sprayer, pruning and other tasks.
Generally completed on a once per month work day from 8:30-noon on a Saturday.
Volunteers will perform the tasks they prefer and which they are physically able.
Up to 20 volunteers can be utilized
DSS Products
Attachment A
Appearance Ratings
Goal To determine what the response of 100 different ornamental plants is to 4 levels of irrigation
treatments by recording appearance characteristics once/week as the study progresses for 20 weeks.
The tentative appearance characteristics are:
Lush, Stable, Wilt, Leaf drop, Defoliated, dead
Definitions:
Lush The plant has the look of adequate moisture and new growth is occurring
Stable The plant does not have the look of high amounts of moisture but there is no wilting or new
growth
Wilt New growth or mature foliage is showing symptoms of flaccidity but no leaf drop has occurred
temporary leaf color change may be visible
Leaf Drop Leaves have started to drop and/or permanent color change appears on stems or leaves.
Stems are still alive.
Defoliated- Over 90% of the leaves have dropped but the stems are alive.
Dead Denotes the plant has died and will not have the capability to refoliate from existing stems.
Attachment B
Dear Volunteer,
5-14-15
You expressed an interest in the Drought Survivability Study and helped us with the planting. By way of
a progress report, we had a crew of 9 on May 9th and we finished half of the weeding. The research
team (Calvin, Amy, Troy and Forrest) will work to complete the weeding on the mornings of May 15 and
May 19. You are certainly welcome to join us (call me at 382 4455 to verify arrangements). The real
target of this message is, however, to invite you join us on Saturday, May 30th to spread the mulch. We
will begin at 8:30 am and end at noon. Please join us at the site if you can. Remember the address is
1302 Mauermann. My cell phone is 210-382-4455. Also attached is the information on the data
collection opportunities. Data collection begins on June 5. Look it over and commit to a role if it looks
like something you would enjoy. Until then like us on Facebook at The Drought Survivability Study
page.
Hope to see you on the 30th!
Calvin Finch and the D.S.S research team
Water
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Land
Better land
development
practices
Conserve
Land
Better land
Stewardship
practices
Vast majority
of the land is outside of
a city or town
Norman Boyd
Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
Port OConnor
http://www.tceq.state.tx.us/permitting/water_supply/water_rights/eflows/group.html
1904
Recognized in 1904 by Texas Supreme
Court in finding that the movement of
groundwater was so secret, occult, and
concealed that an attempt to administer any
set of legal rules would be involved in
hopeless uncertainty and would, therefore, be
practically impossible.
(Houston & Texas City Railway Company vs. East (81 S.W. 279 [Tex., 1904])
75th Legislature
Senate Bill 1 (1997):
The state water plan shall provide for the
orderly development, management, and
conservation of water resources and preparation
for and response to drought conditions, in order
that sufficient water will be available at a
reasonable cost to ensure public health, safety,
and welfare; further economic development;
and protect the agricultural and natural
resources of the entire state.
Results of SB1
Created the regional water planning
process and
Transformed water planning in Texas
from a state-directed process to one
guided by community-based decisionmaking
16 Regional Water Planning Groups
established
Groups assess and predict water needs
in their regions during drought-of-record
conditions and develop a Regional
Water Plan
Interests:
Municipalities
Industries
Agriculture
Counties
River Authorities
Small Businesses
Environmental
Public
Water Districts
Water Utilities
Electric
Generating
Utilities
Regional
Planning
Process
SB 2
Texas Instream
Flow Program
2001
The Texas Legislature directed TPWD,
TWDB and TCEQ to:
Establish a data collection and evaluation
program
Determine flow conditions necessary to
support a sound ecological environment
in Texas rivers and streams
SB 3/HB 3
80th Texas Legislature
Environmental Flows
2007
Senate Bill 3 and House Bill 3 set out a new
regulatory system for protecting
environmental flows; consensus-based
regional approach involving a balanced
representation of stakeholders.
Environmental
Flows
Watersheds
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source during drought-of-record conditions regardless of whether or not the supply is physically or legally
available for use. It doesnt make sense to count that as a source of dependable water to meet your needs
during a repeat of drought-of-record conditions. Existing water supply is the maximum amount of water
available from existing sources for use during drought-of-record conditions that is physically and legally
available for use.
Public involvement can become very intense in the planning process in determining a reasonably accurate
method of projecting future population growth since these population figures also determine future water
demand needs. This is important since if the future population figure estimates are incorrect then the
particular region of concern may wind up with an excess amount of water or wind up with a water
shortage. This issue, and rightly so, can become a hot topic in the public involvement arena.
As mentioned previously, there are a number of interest groups vying for existing and future water
supplies. Each one is competing to have its water needs recognized and addressed as a project in the
regional water plan and then approved in the overall State Water Plan. Without a project being included
in the approved State Water Plan there can be no State or Federal funding available to proceed with the
project completion. Everything rotates around money. The voters passed a $2 billion bill recently to
kick-start the identification of high priority projects for development. The public needs to know the real
need and effectiveness of each project to determine just where in the order of project priority it needs to
be placed for funding.
Projects that identify needs starting 30 or 40 years down the road dont have the urgency of projects
showing needs that need to be met now. Problems also exist where two or more projects needing future
water supplies identify the same water supply source. One or the other will go without meeting their
needs.
Other problems exist where the major water users, like SAWS, want water from mostly rural counties.
Several issues are involved. The residents of those targeted counties dont want to lose the water which
could stymie their future growth and economy. In some cases the Groundwater Conservation Districts
indicate that the amount of water targeted is not in existence based on computer modeling or the District
does not want to permit the total amount requested.
The third issue is in areas where no groundwater district exist then the rule of capture prevails with no
pumping limits. The large water users will find landowners willing to sell or lease land for well fields to
transport water to the major users without any restrictions. The only protection from this is through
groundwater conservation districts with the ability to manage and protect groundwater resources.
Unregulated rule of capture users will indiscriminately lower the water level in an area and dry up wells
and springs. The water these major users are obtaining not only comes from properties where the well
fields are located, but also from all the other properties in the area. The major users call it voluntary
redistribution. The only ones voluntarily giving up their water rights are the one being paid for it, the rest
are losing their water without compensation. STOLEN
Currently SAWS has underway a $3.4 billion, 142 mile pipeline project bringing in water from counties
east of San Antonio. SAWS has secured the water rights from 3,400 lease holders to bring in 16.3 billion
gallons annually. The construction of this facility is projected to be completed by the year 2020.
Where are the funds coming from to pay for this project? Of course the SAWS rate payers will pay their
fair share. But, SAWS doesnt need but a portion of the total amount now or in the near future. They will
be able to reduce their dependence on Edwards Aquifer water currently being relied on which is good.
In order to pay for this project SAWS needs to find interim buyers of the water not needed by SAWS
now. So they will sell the surplus water to cities and developers along the pipe line in order to pass off
the cost to help pay for the project.
My question is has SAWS grossly over-designed the water demands required by SAWSs customers in
order to have enough surplus water to sell off to others so that SAWSs rate-payers wont have to absorb
the whole cost of the pipeline project? Does this unnecessarily deplete an aquifer for monetary purposes?
What if someday SAWS needs the water contracted out to others along the pipeline? And finally what if
the long-term estimate for the sustainability of this aquifer falls short? WITHOUT WATER YOU HAVE
NOTHING.
There are issues with surface water also. Surface water (rain) is the property of the landowner until it
runs into a defined creek, stream or river at which time it becomes waters of the State of Texas under the
control of TCEQ. Withdrawal water rights are issued by TCEQ for a set amount of Acre Feet annually
with provisions to reduce permitted withdrawal amounts based on drought conditions. Persons who
established their water rights many years ago are known as senior water rights holders while the more
recent water rights holders are known as junior water rights holders. During drought conditions with low
flow in the rivers the junior water rights holders allocation for withdrawal will be reduced or even
eliminated. Senior water rights holders will continue to receive their full allocation until no water
remains.
The above water rights issue is causing some consternation among municipalities holding junior water
rights permits. They feel that since their permits deal with public water supplies their junior water rights
should take precedence over senior water rights holders. The courts have held that the senior water rights
permits stand.
There are several proposals under consideration to increase the firm yield of surface water supplies. One
proposal is when river flow rates exceed permitted demands and consistent with environmental flow rates
then the excess flow can be diverted into off channel reservoirs stored for future use to supplement low
flow rates.
Another proposal is to divert excess stream flows into aquifer storage and recovery facilities. Storing
water underground for future use eliminates large losses due to evaporation experienced by surface water
reservoirs. Water must be treated to drinking water standards before being stored.
Another proposal is the recycling of waste water. This is already being done now for non-potable uses,
but in the future it needs to be a source of potable water also. DIRECT REUSE. Since we have a limited
supply of water period, we need to figure out a way to increase our available supply of water through
reusing what we already have. By reusing what water we have we could multiply our available supply by
two or three times. This is already happening in parts of West Texas.
The largest and most cost effective method to increase our available water supply is through proven water
conservation methods.
Lets digress for a moment and see whats happening today. There is H.B. 3298 known as the water grid
bill that wants to control and move water statewide from areas that have water to areas that are short of
water generally from east to west. Will the state take over once more and be the bureaucratic ruler of all
the water in the State? That would pretty well destroy the years of efforts of the Regional Water Planning
Groups. We would be back under the government knows best authority.
The other fallacy in these plans whether it be the regional plans or the desired future condition
agreements, there is no enforcement mechanism to monitor or control the stated planning goals. Since the
thousands of domestic and livestock wells are not currently metered how would one know how much
water is being used. The only way to establish some reasonable control and over site in the management
and protection of groundwater is by way of a local groundwater conservation district. They do have
authority to manage groundwater withdrawals and fine abusers.
All of these water issues are very complex with some rules inconsistent with other rules. It is a very
serious subject with disastrous consequences if not done wisely and correctly.
At our rural home we have no well or other public source of water to our home. We have the most
reliable and sustainable source of quality water known thru rainwater harvesting. A properly designed
system will provide an adequate supply of domestic water through drought-of-record conditions.
In summary, I hope I have given you a thumbnail sketch of the water planning process and some of the
issues to be considered and flushed out. All of these issues will affect you either by way of water cost or
availability. Face it, future water is going to cost more. The major water purveyors have a huge financial
interest in the water planning process and tend to rule the roost. Unless the public gets involved the 800
pound gorilla with their lawyers and lobbyist will walk all over you. Attend the Regional Planning
Meetings and public meetings in June to review the proposed 2016 Initially Prepared Plan for Region L.
June 8, 2015 at 6:00 P.M.
SAWS Customer Service Building, Room CRC145
2800 US Highway 281 North San Antonio, Texas
Water Planning
Exclusion, socializing costs, and unequal influenceA critical review
Process is politicized
Regulatory agencies
Economics and
externalities
Circumventing public
Exclusion- example of
Contested Case Hearings
and SB1907/HB3298
Non-transparency
Placating
Region L demographics
Ethical Action
Education of congregations
Awareness of systemic racism
Campaigning for awareness, for political
change and against specific issues
Participatory budgeting and planning
Paradigm shift
Thank you
The right to dream is not among the 30 human
rights the UN proclaimed in 1948, but if it wasn
t for the right to dream and the waters it gives
to drink all the other rights would die thirsty.
- Eduardo Galeano
Water Captains
How to Be Effective Advocates in the Regional Water
Planning Process
Water Planning Process in Region L Workshop
Fracking & Water Planning
Meredith Miller,
The Meadows Center for Water and the Environment
Notable Headlines
What is Fracking?
Frack: frak/ (verb)
To inject liquid into (a subterranean rock formation, borehole, etc.) at high pressure so
as to force open existing fissures and extract oil or gas.
What is Fracking?
Hydraulic fracturing is a technique designed to recover gas and oil from shale rock.
Water, sand and chemicals are injected into drilled wells at high pressure, allow gas
to flow out to the head of the well.
The process is carried out vertically or, more commonly, by drilling horizontally to
the rock layer.
Flowback contains minerals, oil, salt and chemicals that must be removed
before reuse.
Environmental Impacts
Air quality impacted by methane, PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons).
Land deposition of chemicals contributes to nonpoint source pollution of
surface waters.
Economic Impacts
Gas bills dropped $13 billion per year (2007 to 2013) as a result of increased fracking,
equaling $200 per year for gas-consuming households.
Fracking in Texas
Eagle Ford Shale the south of Texas and the states coastline, 3000 sq. miles.
Estimated to have 20.81 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 3.351 billion
barrels of oil.
More than 50,000 disposal wells in Texas service more than 216,000 active
drilling wells.
U.S. Energy Information Administration, TX Railroad Commission
http://www.texastribune.org/tribpedia/environmental-problems-and-policies/?page=5
Texas Commission of Environmental Quality - air quality and emissions, offsite impacts and depth of steel casing and cement drilling for wells.
USEPA Clean Water Act (only for disposal of flowback into surface
waters) and Safe Drinking Water Act (power limited by Energy Policy Act of
2005)
Fracking in Region L
~ 80% of Eagle Ford Shale activity
For the Carrizo-Wilcox Aquifer, the project yield is set to zero because of the
lack of groundwater availability. As an alternative and if one assumes there is
groundwater availability in the Carrizo-Wilcox, Table 5.2.7-6 provides a project
yield, annual cost, and unit cost for all the users in this category.
Resources
Fractracker.org
Fracfocus.org
Energy.usgs.gov/OilGas/UnconventionalOilGas/HydraulicFracturing.aspx
Frack.mixplex.com/fracking
Earthworks.org
Regionltexas.org
Thank you!
Sonia Jimenez, JD
Ximenes & Associates, Inc.
Public Hearings
Monday, June 8
San Antonio Water
System
Customer Service Building, CR
C145
2800 US Hwy 281 N
San Antonio, Texas 78212
Wednesday, June 10
City of San Marcos
Thursday, June 11
City of Victoria
Presentation
Citizens to be Heard
Written/Verbal Comments
Public Comment
Public Participation
Region L Quarterly Planning Meetings
S September 3, 2015
S November 5, 2015
Public Participation
S White Paper and Citizens Guide To Water Planning in Region L
S Thursday, May 21, 2015 at William R. Sinkin Eco Centro
S
11 AM - 1 PM (lunch provided)
7 PM - 9 PM
210-254-0245
dduesterhoeft@gmail.com
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