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Hello chaps
I'm on a 737NG course busy with FFS at this stage and i'd like some tips about the raw data ILS approach.Do you actually
need to follow the settings like at flaps 5 60% N1 and pitch 6 degrees up?if u're able to maintain speed for the selecting flap
won't your N1 be in the neighborhood of 60% and so forth for flaps 15 and 30.Secondly in anticipation of the Engine failure
after v1 or 2 that we'll practice tomorrow what are the tips to remain on course without drifting away more than 5 degrees
after you lift-off from the ground?any help is appreciated
STBYRUD
Hey there, those rule of thumb-thrust settings (fifties for Flaps 30, sixties for Flaps 40) are good to check if youre in the right
region, generally you'll be alright speedwise if you stick to them, the rest is stick and rudder skills, same with the engine
failure - the 737 is a lot tamer than a piston trainer, use the same skills - failure shortly after rotation: bank the aircraft onto
the failed engine, 'lean' over the runway and keep the track line in the middle, then slowly reduce the bank while giving
more and more rudder. Trim as soon as you can to at least five units to prevent your legs from shuddering ;) You'll be
fine... after all its a course, there should be an instructor to help you along if you encounter problems - good luck!
Low-bypass
Thank u very much STBYRUD i will try and follow your advises as much as i can do i'm sure this will help me tremendously.I
appreciate
chemicalbrother
06/04/13
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can get away with murder, but in a jet you'll do aerobatics, so smoothly does it.
as STDBYRUD says, talk to all your instructors about it - they'll have different points of view, you'll work out which way of
thinking about things makes sense to you.
like most aspects of a type rating course, its the fact that time is very limited and precious in a sim which piles the pressure
on. you can never practice something as many times as you'd ideally like to in order to really nail it down.
good luck with it
misd-agin
Low bypass - IMO there was excellent, and fairly consistent, advice given in a previous thread about 747 V1 engine failures.
The techniques are the same for most jet airliners http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/445486-747-v1-cut-advice.html
greenslopes
For a single engine approach with Fl 15, check the weight of aircraft via FMC , this will give you a rough figure for N1 setting.
I.e weight 55t so set N1 55%, this aint perfect but gives you an idea where you should be.
Good Luck
BOAC
what are the tips to remain on course without drifting away more than 5 degrees after you lift-off from the ground? - err,
how about change heading 5 degrees?
A37575
bank the aircraft onto the failed engine, 'lean' over the runway and keep the track line in the middle, then slowly reduce the
bank while giving more and more rudder. Trim as soon as you can to at least five units to prevent your legs from
shuddering
Not a recommended Boeing technique. See FC TM words: "If engine failure occurs at or after lift off, apply rudder and aileron
to control heading and keep the wings level
There is no hurry to adjust the rudder trim as it is quite easy to hold the yaw with appropriate rudder pressure.
Checkboard
Remember you must pass the sim first - so don't worry too much about "real life flying" - if you can pass the sim, you earn
the fun of finding out real life ;) The point is, the sim does fly a little differently (a lot differently, if you have an old one) but that is the game you are judged on, that is the game you play.
In that sense - quite a few sim instructors get excited about learning "target values" like 58.5% for this, and 2.3 for that and that is because they sit in the back on exercise after exercise in the same sim, at the same landing weight, at the same
wind. :rolleyes:
Yes - the real world is a bit different every time. Yes - in the real world, you set whatever power gives you the performance
you want (and I don't even LOOK at the gages.) BUT remember - you aren't IN the real world.
Your job now is the "OIC " method of learning... When the sim instructor says "Fly the single engine approach at 5.2 and
56.5%, you say "Oh! I see ..." fly the numbers given, pass the sim, and go on knowing that trying to remember THAT level
of accuracy is totally unnecessary (and counter-productive) in the "real" world. :)
... it's not all rubbish, though. 60% power and 6 of pitch will get you out of most situations. :)
737 single engine handling tip - think of the thrust levers as your feet. Right thrust lever up by 10% (of available travel) =
right foot forward on the rudder pedals by 10% (of available travel). That'll keep you pretty much straight on the single
engine flying bit. :ok:
sycamore
I would beware of anyone who suggests you`` bank the aircraft onto the failed engine`...!!!!!
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