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Diemticone 350???
Notapor lapepeta 02 Jun 2009 10:07
Hola a tod@s, queria saber si alguno habeis usado alguna vez Diemticone 350. En Guinama me han comentado que es u
esencias bastante efetivo, pero queria saber antes de comprarlo, si lo habeis probado. Graciasss
Notapor moreno 02 Jun 2009 11:43
Hola:
Algunos fijadores de facil acceso para aromas que se pueden usar (Ref: Manual prctico de aceites esenciales, aromas y
M. F. Ortuo) seran:
glicerina
- extracto de corteza de ctricos: hervir las cortezas en agua hasta concentrar, filtrar y dejar enfriar. Si se ha concentrado
suficiente, solidifica una masa compuesta por pectidos, de caracter fijador.
Notapor GENTYLEZZA 02 Jun 2009 15:43
Hola Moreno: justamente como ha dicho, ac puedes encontrar la Pectina en polvos y sirve como conservante natural pa
mermeladas. De echo s que la sacan de las manzanas , lo que no s si servir como conservante para los jabones .
Notapor moreno 03 Jun 2009 12:06
Hola:
La peptina, que yo sepa, tiene como misin fundamental la gelificacin de las mermeladas, vamos, que eptese y no sea
Notapor lofer 04 Jun 2009 21:22
Moreno, tengo una duda, para conseguir esa concentracion se usa solo la parte amarilla (caso de los limones) o toda la c
gracias. Saludos
Notapor mendru 06 Jun 2009 18:49
Das ms tarde sigo dndole vueltas a esto.
Entiendo que un fijador aromtico es una sustancia que puede actuar de varias maneras.
La ms sencilla es reduciendo la volatilidad de la sustancia aromtica y por tanto haciendo que esta dure ms. Es el cas
glicerina, creo.
Otra es combinndose aromticamente (y esto no se como es) potenciando el olor a fijar. Caso de esencias como el snd
Se supone que la pectina tiene el efecto del primer caso?
Notapor moreno 08 Jun 2009 12:19
Buenas:
La receta de la pectina (en un post puse peptina) se me ha colado en otro post, pero la resumo aqu:
- corteza de 2-3 limones
- 50 ml agua
reducir por ebullicin a la mitad. Para usar en colonias, diluir al 50% en etanol de 96.
Los fijadores de este tipo actan efectivamente de dos formas sinergicas, vamos que se ayudan:
Por una parte se unen con los compuestos aromticos mediante "puentes de hidrgeno", que son una especie de enlace
que se dan sin necesidad de que exista reaccin, pero que proporcionan una unin ms o menos estable entre dos espe
qumicas. Esto se debe a sus grupos -OH.
Por otra parte, como la glicerina y la pectina tienen altos puntos de ebullicin, retienen a los compuestos a los que se un
no se volatilicen tan facilmente, y adems hacen que la mezcla alcohlica total, en el caso de las colonias, se evaporen
que ayuda adems la adicin de agua a la mezcla.
En el caso de ae o extractos usados para fijacin, contienen compuestos de altos pesos moleculares, con altos puntos de
muy baja volatilidad. Suelen ser esencias para las que se emplean largos tiempos de arrastre de vapor en su obtencin,
normalmente la extraccin con disolventes. Solo actan en la composicin si han interaccionado antes con los compues
voltiles , y por eso es tan importante el proceso de maduracin. En este caso, adems de la formacin de los puentes d
es comn la reaccin entre compuestos de los distintos ae, por lo que la mezcla no es solo la suma de los olores las esen
utilizadas, y se requiere este periodo para que sea una mezcla quimicamente estable.
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The hardest part of making soap is often waiting to unmold it to see the finished product. Luckily, t
Derived from the natural fermentation of sugars found in corn and beets, sodium lactate is the sod
When making cold process soap, sodium lactate is added to cooled lye water. Lye water can reach
The usage rate for sodium lactate is 1 tsp. per pound of oils. Simply measure out the sodiu
Below are two batches of soap created with the Basic Quick Mix. The only difference between the t
Below are the two batches cut in the center. Because soap B is still soft, the knife stuck to the soa
Sodium lactate is especially useful when creating soap that is palm free, or contains a high amount
Sodium lactate can also be used in lotions to create a thicker, more hydrating product. In the Fresh
In addition to hydration, sodium lactate cuts down on the stickiness sometimes found in lotion with
s? I use sodium lactate in almost every cold process recipe, I love cutting down on wait time!
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1. Crystal says
I am going to make the palm free vertical twist soap and I want to add SL. Should I still add the salt
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Kelsey says
Either one would work fine! You can use salt water or sodium lactate. Both help harden the soap up
Crystal says
Kelsey says
Using both salt water and sodium lactate may make the soap brittle or crumbly. I would recommen
Im making an all natural/vegan line of soaps. Does using sodium lactate make it NOT? Ive been d
Many Thanks!
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Kelsey says
Natural is a term that isnt regulated. That means it can mean different things to different people
This Natural vs. Organic post has great information on the subject: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath
It may help you narrow down your definition of natural!
hi
Ds is my first time of hearing about sodium lactate.can I use salt instead of SL and is sodium sulph
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Kelsey says
You can use a salt water solution to help harden your soap if you like! To make the solution, dissolv
Also, sodium lactate is derived from the natural fermentation of sugars found in corn and beets. I d
4. maria says
Last time I used SL I failed. I didnt discount it from the water and I added it with the oils instead of
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Kelsey says
When we use sodium lactate, we dont discount our water. We consider it an additive! Weve had th
Kelsey says
You can use a salt water solution to help harden your soap! To make the solution, dissolve 4 teaspo
michelle says
Kelsey says
Hi, I am from Barbados, I have made quite a bit of soap andi am happy that I have found this site, t
Thank you
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Kelsey says
I have a quick question, please. Up to now I have used liquid SL with no problems, at 3% of oil weig
Also, could I just add the powder to my lye water if i use 3% powder?
Thanks, I hope this is not confusing.
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Kelsey says
We havent worked with sodium lactate powder, so Im not too familiar with it! However, I did a qui
Then, add that mixture in at light to medium trace.
Also, contacting the manufacturer may help! They may have a better idea of how to add that produ
Kelsey says
I love sodium lactate in lotions! I find it to be a wonderful humectant that offers moisturizing prope
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Kelsey says
I find that a water discount also helps to make a harder bar of soap. With my soap cupcakes, the fir
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Kelsey says
Hi Kelsey, I just read your reply to Fuchia that this product has no GMO in it. As Corn could be non-G
I did buy it too to try in my CP soaps. I do try to make my products GMO-free, since I dont make it
Thank you
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Kelsey says
One of the best things about making your own bath and body products is the ability to choose whic
Nice write up, but I wish you wouldnt use teaspoons for measurements Ive heard generally its 1
Iryna B. says
Weve found that teaspoons give us the most accurate and consistent results. If youd prefer, you c
Kelsey says
You can definitely add sodium lactate to your goat milk recipe and use the same amount as you wo
Also, 65-70 is a fine temperature to add your sodium lactate. You can add it when your lye water is
I use sodium lactate in every batch of CP I make, it really does help. However I also notice that I se
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Kelsey says
I add my SL after the cook! I will add between 3-5%. It makes such a smooth batter, and adds to th
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Kelsey says
Just tried sodium lactate in my hot process-oven process. It was beautifully creamy and smooth wh
What did I do wrong? Too much sodium lactate? Under-cooked? Over-cooked? I used 9 grams of sod
Any advice would be much appreciated. . .
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Kelsey says
Jane says
I used 1.6 oz of Christmas Forest, but I dont think the fragrance oils can be blamed, since I adde
I used 0.22 oz citric acid, which represented 1% of oils (for chelation purposes), mixed with 4 table
Water was 8.3 oz. Lye 3.25 oz; 3.12 oz of that was for the base oils (without the sweet almond oil) a
It was absolutely gorgeous while mixing and tracing and after the first part of the cook. . .until I too
I put it in the mold and hoped for the best. When I took it out this morning it seemed normal excep
The irony is that in spite of the air pockets and the ruined swirls from the weird texture after the co
But its hideous to look at. Im not sure the performance is worth the appearance. Ideas? Id like to
Thanks so much for any help you can give!
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Kelsey says
I think heat may be the issue. Typically, you dont want your soap to get any hotter than 200F. If it
You may want to get a temperature gauge for your oven to check and see how hot its getting. If it
Some soapers also use a crockpot to help regulate the temperature while theyre soaping.
Hope this helps!
-Kelsey with Bramble Berry
Can sodium lactate be added after the lye has been poured into the oils? I sometimes forget to add
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Kelsey says
Im not sure! I dont believe the sodium lactate would mix in well with the oils. I would recommend
I have been using SL for a short time and have yet to try it with the lye. May have to do that. I have
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18. OR says
Kelsey says
From a quick internet search, it sounds like you weigh out sodium lactate powder to your desired le
You may also want to contact the vendor to find out their recommendations.
I have just purchased the sodium lactate and have tried it in 3 different batches of soap. The bars a
Thanks
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Heather says
I had that problem too. I havent been happy with SL yet, but everybody else seems to love it so Im
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Kelsey says
We havent really found thats happened in our soaps with sodium lactate. However, there are seve
To get rid of those, pour your lye water down the shaft of your stick blender before blending. Then,
It may also be bits of Titanium Dioxide. To get rid of those, you can blend your color in a coffee grin
Jill says
Thanks for the info. I may try the trick with the lye/water and stick blender. But I feel like everythin
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Kelsey says
Another trick is to mix your sodium lactate in well with your cooled lye water. That way its disperse
When using Sodium Lactate for CP soap, is it ok to do a water discount, or do you need to use full w
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Kelsey says
When we use sodium lactate in our recipes, we use the full amount of water. You can water discoun
Heather says
I tried a batch 2 days ago with the 1 tsp SL PPO and tried to unmold after 48 hours, but the soap is
Any ideas what Im doing wrong? I made two batches back to back with the same recipe, colors, EO
Thanks!
Heather
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Kelsey says
Are you adding the sodium lactate to your cooled lye water? Also, do you mind if I ask whats in yo
-Kelsey with Bramble berry
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21. Lynn says
I have a question about Sodium Lactate. Can it be used in a hard bubble bath bar recipe? Since the
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Kelsey says
After a year and a half of testing, we found that recipe works well, so adding an extra ingredient m
If youd like your bars a little drier, you can cut back on all the liquid ingredients slightly.
Hey, Ann Marie! Sodium lactate is great for hot process, because it keeps your soap so much smoo
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Kristn says
Do you add the sodium lactate into the lye water at any time, in the same amount? I only hot proce
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I add my SL after the cook! I will add between 3-5%. It makes such a smooth batter, and adds to th
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Kelsey says
Kelsey says
Fuchia says
Kelsey says
Kelly says
Kelsey says
We cant give out vendor information, but we have several documents on the product, including th
-Kelsey with Bramble Berry
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24. Dawn says
Kelsey says
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um Lactate
e finished product. Luckily, there is an easy way to cut down the wait time. Sodium lactate is a liquid salt that
s, sodium lactate is the sodium salt of lactic acid. Naturally a liquid product, sodium lactate is also available
water. Lye water can reach temperatures up to 200F. For soap making, its recommended to wait until the ly
mply measure out the sodium lactate, and stir into the cool lye water. Be careful not to use too much; using t
ly difference between the two is soap A was made with sodium lactate, while soap B was not. After 24 ho
ft, the knife stuck to the soap. Soap A is harder in the center, and the knife was able to make a clean cut al
, or contains a high amount of soft oils. In the Palm Free in the Pot Swirltutorial, adding sodium lactate would
rating product. In the Fresh Face Oil Free Lavender Lotionand Argan and Shea Lotion recipes, sodium lactate
metimes found in lotion with a high glycerin content. In lotion recipes, a little sodium lactate goes a long way.
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SL. Should I still add the salt water that the recipe calls for?
oth help harden the soap up and release faster from the mold.
orials/cold-process-soap/palm-free-vertical-twist-tutorial/
crumbly. I would recommend using either the salt water solution or sodium lactate, not both.
e make it NOT? Ive been doing some research and I keep reading 2 sides of the ingredient! Which one is it?
nt things to different people! For instance, it is derived from the fermentation of sugars found in corn and bee
://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/natural-vs-organic/
o make the solution, dissolve 4 teaspoons of regular table salt into 4 ounces of distilled water. Then, combine
found in corn and beets. I did a quick internet search and it looks like sodium sulphate is derived from sulfur
ed it with the oils instead of the water. Im making 50/50 milk soap so I dont have to freeze the milk. I wanna
it an additive! Weve had the best luck with adding 1 tsp. of sodium lactate per pound of oils to our cooled ly
e solution, dissolve 4 teaspoons of regular table salt into 4 ounces of distilled water. Then, combine this with
problems, at 3% of oil weight. Im not able to get the liquid form this time around, but only the powdered ve
with it! However, I did a quick internet search, and one soaper recommends using the powder at 2% of your
at offers moisturizing properties without the stickiness one finds in glycerin. It can also be great for acne, so
h my soap cupcakes, the first try wasnt great, my silicone liners were sticking and pulling away the soap ev
in it. As Corn could be non-GMO, I have hard time to believe that beets are clean also. All beets in USA ura ge
O-free, since I dont make it for sale but rather for my family and friends.
t has no GMOs.
is the ability to choose which ingredients go into your recipes. While sodium lactate helps create a harder, lo
Ive heard generally its 1-3% PPO, or per pounds of oils. Teaspoons vary too much
y other milk) soap? You use at same amount? We usually mix in an ice bath so temperature rarely gets above
he same amount as you would with distilled water. It will help harden that bar up and release earlier from th
wever I also notice that I seem to get more soda ash too so i try to keep my soap sprayed with alcohol during
mooth batter, and adds to the fluidity of it for swirling! Its amazing!
ully creamy and smooth when I checked on it after 35 minutes in the oven at 180F, but not quite gelled yet,
oked? I used 9 grams of sodium lactate, after measuring out a teaspoon, seeing that 1 tsp was 6.8 grams, an
an be blamed, since I added that after the cook, when the soap was already weird. Recipe was 6.5 oz coconu
rposes), mixed with 4 tablespoons of water, which I whisked in at thin trace. After adding the citric acid, I spl
hout the sweet almond oil) at 2% superfat, and 0.13 oz of that was to react with the citric acid so it would con
part of the cook. . .until I took it out the second time after another 18 minutes in the oven. Then it was oily an
ng it seemed normal except that it was rather oily all over the outside of the loaf, and I could see little pin-pr
e weird texture after the cook, it lathers up nicer than anything else Ive made, and it feels lovely on the skin
pearance. Ideas? Id like to keep using the sodium lactate, but I dont think I can if it separates on me and pr
ng just right.
t any hotter than 200F. If it does, the water inside can start to evaporate and create air pockets. It may also c
ee how hot its getting. If its 200F or warmer, you may want to leave your oven open to let some of that hot
le theyre soaping.
nd-body-tutorials/cold-process-soap/hot-process-series-crock-pot-camo/
s? I sometimes forget to add it and remember when Im about to stick blend the mixture.
May have to do that. I have had no issues with incorporating it with my oils/lye mixture. Just make sure to m
AMOUNT
e powder to your desired level, and then multiply the amount by 5 to figure out how much water to use. The
batches of soap. The bars are definitely harder, which I like, but each batch has little white dots everywhere
y else seems to love it so Im trying to figure out what Im doing wrong. So far it has not worked well for me.
te. However, there are several other causes of spots, including air bubbles.
nder before blending. Then, after your soap is in the mold, give it some good taps on your counter.
der. But I feel like everything is blended very well and I always tap it on the counter multiple times. I have no
water. That way its dispersed evenly and you avoid white dots.
water. You can water discount if youd like your soap harder though.
er 48 hours, but the soap is stuck in the mold. Any ideas how to get it out without damaging the loaf?
the same recipe, colors, EOs, etc, with one with the SL and one with 1 TSP salt PPO, and it came out of the
nmolds faster.
e bath bar recipe? Since there is so much glycerin in the recipe it seems my bars never fully harden and whe
gredients slightly.
ps your soap so much smoother when its time to pour! The difference is amazing! I think the Soap Queen lab
me amount? I only hot process (just started) and am doing a lot of trial and error right now.
mooth batter, and adds to the fluidity of it for swirling! Its amazing!
ss its organic, pretty much all corn and beet sugars found in the USA are GMO right now.
on the product, including the MSDS. Id be more than happy to email those to you! You can contact me at sm
atch without and it is sticky and cut really badlyI will be using this product in futureagain thanks
m lactate is a liquid salt that can be added to cooled lye water in order to speed up unmolding time. Using so
um lactate is also available in powder form. Sodium lactate is commonly used in food products as a preservat
mmended to wait until the lye water has reached temperatures of 130 F or below. Once the lye has reached
not to use too much; using too much sodium lactate will result in a hard, crumbly bar of soap.
oap B was not. After 24 hours, both soaps were removed from the mold. Soap B is much softer than soap
able to make a clean cut all the way through the soap.
adding sodium lactate would assist in unmolding. This is especially true for the Castile Cubes Tutorial, which i
tion recipes, sodium lactate is used to create a creamier texture. The humectant properties of sodium lactate
um lactate goes a long way. Typically, the sodium lactate is used at 1-3% of the total lotion recipe.
e, not both.
ugars found in corn and beets. You may consider that natural, while others dont!
stilled water. Then, combine the salt water with the rest of the water in your soap recipe. Add your lye and st
phate is derived from sulfuric acid, meaning it is not the same as sodium lactate. We havent tested that in so
e to freeze the milk. I wanna use SL so I dont have to wait too long And have a good one. when I discount the
ound of oils to our cooled lye water. That creates a harder bar that releases from the mold faster!
er. Then, combine this with the rest of the water in your recipe, add your lye and stir well. We used salt water
d, but only the powdered version. My question is, if i used this at a rate of 3% of oil weight, must I make the p
g the powder at 2% of your batch weight (that includes oils, lye and water). Then, multiply that by 5 to figure
n also be great for acne, so its a great addition for someone like me with oily, acne prone skin. Thanks for wr
nd pulling away the soap even after 3 days! I tried just sodium lactate in the recipe, and it helped a bit. Took
also. All beets in USA ura genetically modified, unless grown in your own or organic garden.
ate helps create a harder, longer-lasting bar, it is not necessary to add to your recipes.
mperature rarely gets above 65-70. Would you add it then? Are there still the advantages of using SL?
F, but not quite gelled yet, so I cooked it another 20 minutes. When I took it back out, it was an oily, separat
hat 1 tsp was 6.8 grams, and multiplying that by 1.375 (I had 22 ounces of oil).
d. Recipe was 6.5 oz coconut oil, 6.5 oz palm oil, 7 oz olive oil, 1 oz castor oil (these ratios are my standard b
adding the citric acid, I split the batch in half, added the color to one half, and stick blended both halves to
he citric acid so it would convert to sodium citrate without consuming any of the lye needed for saponificatio
he oven. Then it was oily and separated and truly revolting. Have you ever heard of this happening due to un
, and I could see little pin-pricks of oil in the soap when I cut it in half, although that seems to be absorbing/d
nd it feels lovely on the skin, very conditioning. It tested at 9.5 on my pH strips. No zap or anything.
f it separates on me and prevents me from doing swirls!
how much water to use. Then, subtract the water total from your recipe, mix it with the powder and add it ba
ittle white dots everywhere. Its not completely a bad thing but it takes away from the swirling that I have do
on your counter.
er multiple times. I have not had Titanium Dioxide in any of my batches so its not that. Hmm
PPO, and it came out of the mold no problem, but the SL batch is sticky and stuck. This is a tried and true rec
never fully harden and when I cut down on the glycerin the bars get crumbly and do not want to hold their sh
! I think the Soap Queen lab needs a crockpot, or at least someone who knows about hot process. I feel like w
right now.
ureagain thanks
p unmolding time. Using sodium lactateproduces harder, longer-lasting bars of cold process soap.
ood products as a preservative. Its also an extremely effective humectant, helping to strengthen the skin mo
w. Once the lye has reached optimal soap making temperature, the sodium lactate can be added.
bar of soap.
B is much softer than soap A, and stuck to the mold while removing. Soap A is much firmer, and came ou
astile Cubes Tutorial, which is created with 100% olive oil. Castile soap isnotoriously soft and requires a long
recipe. Add your lye and stir well. We used salt water in the Palm Free Vertical Twist recipe with great results
We havent tested that in soap, so Im not sure how it would react. I would recommend contacting the manuf
ood one. when I discount the SL. Do I discount it by poo or ppo with the 50% milk?
stir well. We used salt water in the Palm Free Vertical Twist recipe with great results: http://www.soapqueen.co
oil weight, must I make the powder 3% before I make the solution, or is the actual finished solution (40/60) th
multiply that by 5 to figure out how much distilled water you need. Make sure to subtract that water from th
e, and it helped a bit. Took a bit less time to harden up before un-molding. But once I added a water discoun
nic garden.
out, it was an oily, separated mess! I stirred, whisked, and even stick blended, which seemed to help a little
se ratios are my standard base recipe), with 1 oz sweet almond oil added w/ the FO after the cook. Superfat
ick blended both halves to thick trace before putting them in the oven.
ye needed for saponification. I added the 9 grams (0.32 oz) of sodium lactate to the cooled lye water (about
of this happening due to under or over cooking?
at seems to be absorbing/drying. There are lots of small air pockets, presumably because in my distress I for
No zap or anything.
m the swirling that I have done. Is there a trick to not getting this effect?
t that. Hmm
This is a tried and true recipe that never gives me any problems. Ive tried SL several times with all disastro
bout hot process. I feel like we are the ignored minority! Thanks for all the awesome tutorials and info!
e can be added.
sly soft and requires a long cure time. Using sodium lactate makes these soap easier to unmold, which speed
ts: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/cold-process-soap/palm-free-vertical-twist-tutorial/
finished solution (40/60) the 3% of oil weight, since I am making my own solution?
subtract that water from the water used in your lye so your soap isnt too soft.
ce I added a water discount on top of that, the soap came out of the mold no problems at all!
hich seemed to help a little, but my in-the-pot swirl (working with 2 colors) didnt go very well due, to the ru
FO after the cook. Superfat was 6.1%; 4.1% of that was from the sweet almond oil after the cook, 2% was fro
the cooled lye water (about 120F) before mixing the lye water with the oils.
veral times with all disastrous results. What am I doing wrong? Salt H2O works fine, but not SL.
cold-process-soap/palm-free-vertical-twist-tutorial/
ee-vertical-twist-tutorial/
blems at all!
go very well due, to the runny, slippery consistency of the soap. It literally slithered out of the pot when I po