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These are the minutes of the

SPECIAL GENERAL MEETING
for Beneficiaries of Karangahape Marae
held on SATURDAY 13 FEBRUARY 2010
at Karangahape Marae commencing at 10.15 am.

Karakia: Kiwi Herewini

Mihi: Roger Kingi

In Attendance: Liarne McManus, William Hori, Steve Rau, Connor Rau,

Cavan Rush, Huia Rush, Joe Tua, Robert Rush, Atea Rush,
Moana Rush, Tarzan Hori, Mere Smith, Tahua Murray, Huhana
Ngawati, Netta Ropiha, Bella Urlich, Hugh McManus, Henry
Murray, Arthur Hori, Maria Hori, Rosalie Darlington, Cheryl
Rush, Rawiri Hemi, Naera Komene, Waiunupo Komene, Ray
Murray, Margaret Murray, Gay Murray, Tom McGauley,
Bradley Rush, Owen Kingi, Anarau Roberts, Audrey Leslie,
Aroha Bentson, Kiwi Herewini, Kana Pourewa, Roger Kingi,
Julie Pomana, Steven Rush, Poneke Poata, Julia Barber,
Angelique MacDowall, Wake Tua.
Visitor: John Atwell.

Apologies: Janice Roberts, Ned Pomana, Abraham Swanson, Henrietta Tuhi,

Houwawe Paapu, Mita Pomana, Morgan Pomana, Annie Pomana,
Willie Pomana, Peter Pomana, Hori Pomana, Waiheke Pomana,
Margaret Pomana, Te Whanau O Hunia Taniwha.

Motion: It was agreed that the apologies be accepted

Moved: Arthur Hori, Seconded: Hugh McManus Carried

1. New Marae Project

Roger – Briefly talked about the outcome of the Special General Meeting on
22 August 2009 in regards to the preferred site for a new marae complex,
and that Rakura had been chosen. After further discussions at our General
Meeting on 17 October 2009 it was agreed that elected Marae
Representatives would meet with the land owner John Atwell to discuss
options.
Anaru Roberts and Kana Pourewa met with John and discussed with him the
amount of land required and John stated he would get a ‘valuation’ done of
the land in question.
Roger then presented a valuation from Garton and Associates
totaling $305,000.00.
We are to decide today whether we are to accept or decline that offer. Initial
discussions among the Trustees is that we will not pay that amount of money
for 2 acres. There is no whenua in Matangirau worth $150,000 an acre.
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When Neville first put this site forward as an option, it was only worth
$30,000. If we do not go up the hill, where are we going to go. Personally I
would prefer to stay where we are. The other option is to go to the old
school, but there are underlying issues relating to that whenua. There is
plenty of whenua in this valley. Other than the Tatai whanau who donated 2
acres at Tutu, none of the other whanau have been forthcoming.
Liarne – scrolled up a map of Rakura.
Aroha – asked if the area could be clarified.
Roger – explained the area that was best suited to accommodate the marae
complex.
Henare – this is the first time I have seen this plan. The price is far too high,
we need to look at other options.
Owen – tautoko
Audrey – explained that there would be difficulties to access Rakura from
the main road.
Roger – reminded everyone that Rakura was an old Urupa and there is still
koiwi there. We are not sure why they were left there. He then stated that
another whanau had come today to offer another option.
Bru – asked that the Rakura option be dealt with and cleared up.
Gay – this is the first time I have heard about this option as well. Despite the
fact that the valuation is very high, we have to take into account that
properties are not selling, so a counter offer should be made to John.
Mere – recalled when Mick Atwell passed away and after having korero with
his whanau, stated that it is not only John that owns the whenua , Bill is there
as well. She was unsure of the involvement of the others.
Aroha – was not in favour of striking this option off as there were not enough
whanau present for a decision to be made and that further discussion with
John had not finished yet.
Bru – disagreed. This take has been discussed amongst our whanau now for
5 years. There is enough of our whanau here today to make a decision.
Aroha – made reference to the minutes dated 17 October 2009, page 6,
where Matua Wake stated we have to go with the majority, we have to
accept it.
Tarzan – talked about the huge amount of earthworks and preparation that
would be required to accommodate the new marae complex at Rakura.
Owen – reiterated that Rakura was a Wahi Tapu , mutu korero.
Kiwi – was uncomfortable about striking it off as well, but felt that the
decision as stated in the minutes, to be made by the Trustees.
Bru – stated that he has had discussions with his whanau and they have all
agreed to gift land from past Unaiki’s house leading up to the old school, as
another site option for the New Marae.We have absolute control of that
whenua, there are no raruraru’s associated with it.There will be some
conditions that will go with it. We would like to know today if our offer will be
accepted, if not it will be taken off the table. We are sick and tired of all the
korero “do we go here or do we go there”. We have a Trust that wants to
move us forward and our whanau wants to get on with it as well.
Kiwi – thanked Bru and the Rush whanau for their generous offer.
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Henare – acknowledged the whanau’s offer stating it is a wonderful gift

whether we accept it or not .
Owen – tautoko hoki
Tarzan – mihinui to Unaiki. He thanked the whanau for their offer as well.
Anaru – thanked all the Rush whanau also for their generous offer. As a
whanau, as a hapu we have to go through this process of discussions so that
we can arrive at the best possible solution. He agreed with Aroha saying that
we need to have a vote and the majority will have the final say. He also
stated that he was prepared to offer up whenua as well, but unfortunately his
whenua is on the inaccessible side of the river.
Bill – thanked the Rush whanau also, stating that the site that they were
proposing would accommodate the whole Marae Complex plus have ample
room for parking. The site would need to be filled which provides an
opportunity to implement a River Management Scheme as well whereby any
fill coming from the river can go on to the new site. Like Bru we are all
getting sick and tired of talking about this take, we need to move forward. In
terms of waiting for the whanau to have their say, ( he held up a newspaper
advertisement dated 21 January 2010 ) we spend hundreds of dollars
advertising our hui’s in all the major newspapers, it is a waste of money
because our whanau don’t come anyway.
Huia – I am one of the title holders to that whenua. I have had talks with
Papa about what we wish to do and he agrees. He said that is where it used
to be, it would be good to take it back there.
Arthur – tautoko the korero and thanked the Rush whanau. You don’t have
to be a rocket scientist to work out that we should drop Rakura as an option
because it is tapu land, there are koiwi still buried there and we don’t have
the putea.
Bru – as I mentioned earlier there will be conditions. If we can incorporate a
river management scheme as Bill suggested then the whole valley wins. We
would like to see the old school rejuvenated as well, that will be one of the
conditions.
Rawiri – mihinui ki te whanau Rush.
Waiunupo – mihinui ki te whanau o Unaiki. It is a good idea as it sets the
kawa for the future. Trustee’s have to think smart. No reira kia kaha..
Kiwi – I have to tender my apologies as I have to marry one of our
whanaunga from over the next valley. I just say, let us not be hasty hopefully
at the final hui we will know where the lines have been drawn. I have been
involved with the old school for some time now and I share your vision Bru.
There should be due processes, checks and balances.
Roger – Bru and I have spent a lot of time discussing this issue. Going back
to Bill’s korero in terms of notifying the whanau, the Trust is bound by the
rules as set down by the Maori Land Court to give due notice. We have done
that. If the whanau are not here to voice their opinions, then that has been
their choice.
As John Atwell had entered the wharenui, Roger welcomed him to
the meeting and asked if he would like to korero in regards to
Rakura
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John – talked about Rakura, the valuation and family issues that he was
presently experiencing.
Aroha – asked if he would clarify the costing.
John – stated that the valuation included survey costs, power to the
boundary, access, fencing and Council fee’s amounting to between $80 --
$100 K. After cost’s he would like to end up with $150 K in the hand.
Owen – there is historical evidence that Hunia Taniwha was the original
owner . You may own that whenua on paper , what gives you the right to sell
it ?
Tarzan – John is like us, a victim of circumstance. He thanked John for his
korero and said that this marae has had a long association with the Atwell
whanau and he was always welcome to attend our hui.
Anaru – tautoko and thanked John as well.
Kana – in terms of Owen’s korero, the Waitangi Tribunal will not look at land
in private owner ship.
Roger – welcomed Matua Wake to the meeting. He talked about John’s offer
and explained that he had now agreed to sell Rakura for $250,000. He then
explained the offer of land put on the floor by the Rush whanau. He then
referred to Matua’s korero of 17 October 2009, and asked him for his
whakaaro.
Wake – at that meeting the people chose to go up there. That’s the trouble
with this place ,if that is no longer acceptable someone should move a
resolution that way. He acknowledged the offer of land by his whanaunga.
Pari – thought that the decision to go up to Rakura was subject to a
feasibility study. I tautoko to stay here and lift this whare. It will cost us
about $30,000. Our whenua would be my second option. We are having
enough difficulty as it is with the Maori Land Court to include the Kaumatua
Flats with Reservation status, let alone transferring Reservation status from
the present marae site to a new site.
Aroha – Mihinui to the Rush whanau. She thanked them for their aroha for
their people. “I feel humbled” With your offer of whenua , we now have
another option. I would love to see the whenua. Going back to that meeting,
the general feeling was that we wanted to get out of the flood plain. If we
were to raise this whare, what about our cars, we would need to raise it as a
whole. A feasibility study needs to be done properly and a report brought
back to the people. As far as the taonga from the Rush whanau, we would be
fools to turn it down.
Tahua – stated we would not be in the position we are today if it wasn’t for
that flood we had in 2002. I feel we were pressured to vote on Rakura as we
did not have all the facts. We were led to believe that it had a low price
which may have influenced our decision. We are now faced with having to
make a decision today to accept the offer from the whanau or the offer will
be withdrawn.
Bru – clarified that their offer be accepted as an option only at this stage. He
would have preferred that discussions regarding Rakura be completed before
he presented this take.
Tahua – thanked Bru for explaining that. She also stated that since Rakura
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had been chosen she thought the other options had been taken off the table.
The fact is we do not have the putea even with a reduction in price by John.
She also stated that the Regional Council have already done an extensive
study on our river identifying the areas that need to be cleared.
Arthur – we have a good option on the floor. I have been here a number of
times where we have had to park on the road. This whanau has given us
another option where there is plenty of room for parking. That place up there
is a Wahi Tapu. Why do we want to trample on our Tupuna. Our Tupuna are
speaking to us. The other thing is we have no putea, look (he showed
everyone his empty pockets).
Owen – tautoko. If you don’t accept the ancient tikanga of our Tupuna, we
are going to get into trouble. For the benefit of our mokopuna, no more talk,
let us finish with it. Anyone who sells Maori land, your day is coming.
Aroha – there should be two motions.
Wake – tautoko.
Roger – asked for a show of hands.

Motion: It was agreed at this Special General Meeting of

Beneficiaries of Karangahape Marae dated 13 February 2010 that
the site known as Rakura be rejected as an option for the New
Marae complex.
Moved: Henare Murray, Seconded: Arthur Hori
Those for the motion 28
Those against 1
Carried

Motion: It was agreed at this Special General Meeting of

Beneficiaries of Karangahape Marae dated 13 February 2010 that
the offer of whenua from the Rush whanau be accepted as another
option for the New Marae complex.
Moved: Henare Murray, Seconded: Arthur Hori
Those for the motion 26
Those against 0
Those who abstained 1
Carried

Wake – we can’t accept their offer, we are still discussing it.

Roger – we have been discussing it. At this stage we have accepted it as
another option.
Kana – asked if the Trustees have been over to look at the whenua.
Roger – 4 of us have.
Kana – talked about flooding issues related to his whenua. He also stated
that those are my Tupuna still up on Rakura.
Audrey – asked the Secretary to read out the motions.
Bill – (read the motions out)
Huia – that hill always had the juiciest looking black berries but papa and
nana always warned us that place was tapu and we had to stay away from
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there.
Audrey – will this present site still be an option.
Roger – yes.
Audrey – what will happen to this whare if the Rush whenua is accepted.
Roger – that will be another take. He then did a mihi to the Rush whanau
thanking them again for their offer.
Mere – thanked the Rush whanau also for what they have done. Like you
Pari, I have many fond memories of this Whare Tupuna and would like to see
it standing for a long time yet.
Owen – mihi to the Rush whanau. 2010 is the year. Without the past, we
have no future. No reira tautoko, tautoko, tautoko.

Break for lunch:

1.00pm

Resumed: 1.45pm

Roger – welcomed Neville and Julia.

Neville – mihi ki te whare, ki nga mate. ki nga hau kainga. Mihi ki te whaea
O Te Huia, ki Michael hoki. Mihi ki nga kaumatua me nga kuia hoki.
When we were having our flooding problems, the call came for each one of
us to look for whenua. I recall coming outside this whare and looked for the
highest ground. I had talks with the owner and he was in agreeance, the
price back then was $30,000 for 2 acres. Since then we have learned that
whenua has a valuation of $305,000. I called in to see John on my way here
and he said he had been to the marae this morning. He mentioned that he
would talk to his accountant and if he could achieve a tax break by donating
that whenua to the marae then he would, provided the marae covers the
associated costs of the engineers report, survey, fencing etc. Since then I
have learned that the Rush whanau have offered land as well, so we want the
best option. We should go and have a look.
He then said a mihi to John, and sang a moteatea in remembrance of Violet.
Tarzan – acknowledged and thanked Neville for his korero in regards to
Violet. He then talked about the development costs associated with Rakura
and also the magnanimous offer put on the table by the Rush whanau. He
talked about the size of the whenua in relation to parking. This present site
will take at a maximum 50 cars and then we are out on the road. There will
still be flooding issues associated with it. I agree we need to go and have a
look at it.
Bru – thanked everyone for accepting his whanau’s offer as another option
for a new marae site.
Aroha – I would like us to consider the new information that Neville has just
given. If John decides to gift that whenua back we need to look at it, if not for
a marae site, then for an Urupa.
Everyone was in agreeance.

2. To amend the names ‘Karangahape Marae Trust’ and

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‘Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated’ to include the

word ‘Charitable’

Roger – new regulations now state that we have to include the word
‘charitable’ in the names of our two Trusts. He spoke about our Tupuna who
on 25 July 1948 agreed that the three hapu should work together as one. We
have since applied for and received Charitable status. We qualify because we
meet the three main requirements which are for relief of poverty ( Kaumatua
Flats), education,( the Ohanga Reo), and advancement of Religion ( the
Wharekarakia). The advantages of having Charitable status is that we are
tax free. We do not have to pay resident withholding tax, we are not taxed
on any interest earned i.e. the putea in our investment account, and we are
able to apply for funding where other organisations are no longer eligible.
Kana – if we put the word Charitable in the name of our Trust does that mean
we no longer come under the jurisdiction of the Maori Land Court. Will we
then come under the Registrar of Internal Affairs.
Roger – we will still come under the auspices of the Maori Land Court
system. Nothing will change, our accounts will still be audited in the same
way.
Pari – have you discussed this take with a lawyer.
Roger – we are dealing direct with the Charities Commission. He
acknowledged the work done by previous administrations and Trustees to get
us to this point.
Pari – I am suspicious of the Government as to why they have put this
pressure on us. I would like us to be cautious about this.
Kana – we have two committees, they must both go together.
Anaru – the other criteria is for the benefit of the Trust. I support this
kaupapa.
Aroha – are there any boundaries or restrictions.
Huia – it entitles us to funding that we will not otherwise get. There is putea
out there ring fenced specifically for our purposes i.e. marae, and that is why
sports clubs no longer qualify.
Roger – we were issued with Charitable status in 2008. The positive from
that is it has opened doors to us financially. Look what we have in our
kitchen. IRD scrutinise everything we do, we have had green lights from
them all the way. There is no putea that comes into this marae that is not
accounted for and is used specifically for the areas that it was targeted for.
Our duty is to leave something better for our mokopuna just as our Tupuna
did in their time.
Tarzan – thanked Roger and the Trustees for maintaining the principles as
set down by our Tupuna before us. He stated our security is indeed in our
mokopuna. He expressed concern as there was no structure set up to
integrate our rangatahi into the workings of the marae structure.
Roger – asked for a show of hands.

Motion: It was agreed at this Special General Meeting of

Beneficiaries of Karangahape Marae dated 13 February 2010 that
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the word ‘Charitable’ be included to both the names of the Trust

and the Association, to now read as:

1. Karangahape Marae Charitable Trust

2. Karangahape Marae Charitable Association Incorporated

Moved: Henare Murray, Seconded: Waiunupo Komene

Those for the motion 22
Those against 1
Carried

Wake – if you take that motion to court the Judge will throw it out. As for
your audit, it is not right.
Roger – stated that this concludes the Special General Meeting and thanked
the beneficiaries present. If anyone wishes to look at that whenua, you are
welcome to do so now. When we come back we will go straight into our
General Meeting.

Kaputi: 2.30pm
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KARANGAHAPE MARAE TRUST

These are the minutes of Karangahape Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae
Association Incorporated
GENERAL MEETING
held on SATURDAY 13 FEBRUARY 2010
at Karangahape Marae commencing at 3.00pm

Apologies: Robert Rush, Kiwi Herewini

Motion: That the apologies be accepted

Moved: Arthur Hori, Seconded: Hugh McManus Carried

Visitors: to arrive at 4.30pm Nikora Taipeti from Te Whare Wananga O Awanuiarangi

MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING dated 12 December 2009

Matters Arising

Roger – read through the minutes as they were scrolled up.

Aroha – have we enquired about an overdraft facility?
Liarne – No. She stated the balances in the minutes were incorrect as they
were taken from the wrong set of accounts which will show in the financial
report. There are some major renovations going on at the Kaumatua Flats at
present.
Roger – talked about the Investment Account and putea from Awanuiarangi
yet to come in. He explained correspondence in/out, and stated that there
will be a meeting with Maori Land Court on Wednesday 17 March in Kaikohe
in regards to, Re-defining the purpose for which the reservation is made, and
persons or class of persons for whose use or benefit the reservation is made.
At present the Council is charging us rates for the Kaumatua Flats and we
wish to have that removed.
The Tauranga Bay Family Day on New Years Day – the Tauranga Bay
Community Association offered this take to the marae, firstly to put us out
into the community, and secondly to raise putea for the new marae project.
From all accounts the day was very successful. It was a lot of mahi for those
few who participated. The expenditure was $3,500.00, however the returns
on that expenditure was only $600.00.
Liarne – there are funding agencies that we could have applied for putea to
fund this project but we did not have enough time to put an application in,
otherwise our returns could have been a lot higher. The $600 will go into the
building fund.
Rawiri – I participated in that. The biggest gain was the mana of the marae.
It was very well run and successful in that regard.
Roger – talked about the marae meeting dates, the Taiapo whanau
connections to Karangahape. He also talked about Aroha’s korero regarding
late delivery of minutes.
Bill – acknowledged Aroha’s concerns regarding the minutes and apologised
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for emailing them out to the Trustees at the last minute. After this set of
minutes I will step down from the Secretary’s role. Someone else will have to
step up. As a Trustee I can be just as effective with this next push for the
new marae.

Motion: It was agreed that the minutes of the General Meeting of

Karangahape Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae Association
Incorporated dated 12 December 2009 be accepted.
Moved: William Hori, Seconded: Liarne McManus

Carried

FINANCIAL REPORT
Liarne – scrolled them up onto the screen and explained.

CURRENT KAUMAT FUNDING BUILDING FISHERIES MEMB RMA DRINKIN

A/C UA A/C A/C A/C ER A/C G
FLATS SHIP WATER
A/C A/C A/C
O/Bal $7735.97 $5,953.9 $35.11 $ $720.67 $70.60 $111. $251.26
01.12. 2 10,982.24 27
09
Incom $15,705.0 $1,992.4 - $10,006. $ .30 $ . $ . -
e 0 2 93 03 05
Expen $15,544.0 $ - $ - - - -
ses 0 193.07 -
C/Bal $7,896.97 $7,753.2 $35.11 $20,989.1 $720.97 $70.63 $111. $251.26
31.01. 7 7 32
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TERM DEPOSIT
ANZ, KERIKERI

ACCOUNT NUMBER: 982000000304727

ACCOUNT NAME: Karangahape Marae
AMOUNT INVESTED: $192,538.35
INTEREST RATE: 4.60% for 120 Days
MATURITY DATE: 07 MARCH 2010
NET INTEREST: $

INCLUDES: $2000 from RMA Acct

$3000 from Fisheries Putea
$ 800 from Membership

ACCOUNTS FOR PAYMENT

CURRENT ACCOUNT
01.12.09 1129 Kaeo Laundromat $ 81.50
02.12.09 1130 Contact Energy $ 254.69
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04.12.09 1131 Kaeo Service Station (MTA Vouchers) $ 640.00

15.12.09 1133 R Kingi Builders (gala day sausages) $ 660.00
18.12.09 1134 Karangahape Marae Trust (Building Acc) $ 8,000.00
21.12.09 1135 Paper Plus (stationery gala day) $ 180.81
24.12.09 1136 Kleen pak (groceries gala day) $ 286.22
24.12.09 1137 New World (groceries gala day) $ 175.27
29.12.09 1130 Kaeo Farm & Fuel (gas gala day) $ 29.30
29.12.09 1139 L Civil (fish gala day) $ 270.00
31.12.09 1131 Bells Produce (steak gala day) $ 592.82
31.12.09 1134 Take note (paint gala day) $ 18.98
31.12.09 1132 Cash Float (gala day) $ 300.00
05.01.10 1135 Placemakers (safety barrier gala day) $ 65.37
05.01.10 1133 Woolworths (groceries gala day) $ 174.89
05.01.10 1138 IRD GST $ 1,166.60
07.01.10 1138 Kaeo 4 Square (groceries gala day) $ 47.00
07.01.10 1137 Contact Energy $ 302.45
15.01.10 1150 Kaeo Farm & Fuel (gas) $ 218.30
22.01.10 1153 Karangahape Marae Trust (building act $ 650.00
26.01.10 1152 Northland Insulated Panels (chiller gala) $ 100.00
26.01.10 1151 Kaeo Laundromat (linen wash) $ 120.00
27.01.10 1132 Bill Hori (reimbursement) $ 166.80
28.01.10 1139 Tauranga Bay Holiday Park (grocerygala $ 943.00

TOTAL EXPENSES $15,544.00

KAUMATUA FLATS ACCOUNT

15.12.09 1129 Small Job Van (F3 & 4 repairs) $ 193.07

TOTAL EXPENSES $ 193.07

BUILDING ACCOUNT
13.11.09 Transfer to Term Deposit $ 3,900.00

TOTAL EXPENSES $ 3,900.00

Matters Arising

Liarne - stated that whanau are still donating into the Building Account. Now
that we are a registered charity donations can be claimed back as a tax
rebate. She also stated that the length of the term deposit was 120 days and
that she was able to get the interest rate up to 4.5% from the standard rate
of 3.5%.
Aroha – when whanau use the marae, what happens to their koha?
Liarne – brought up details of the accounts and explained all koha is
recorded in the current account. If it is specifically targeted for the new
marae then it will be put into the Building Account.

Motion: It was agreed at this General Meeting of Karangahape

Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated
dated 13 February 2010 that the Financial Report and Accounts for
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Payment be accepted
Moved: Liarne McManus, Seconded: Anaru Roberts

Carried

CORRESPONDENCE IN
Roger – explained.

8 Dec 09 DOC re Wairakau, Ranfurly Bay

5 Jan 10 Four Winds re Accountability
12 Jan 10 Contact Energy re price increase
20 Jan 10 FNDC re Rates owing Kaumatua Flats
29 Jan 10 Southern Hospitality re credit note
January Tamaki Whanau re Waiata Wananga Report and
Accountability
Feb 10 Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi re BMM
Feb MLC re Panui
Feb ASB re Application Form
March MLC re Panui

CORESPONDENCE OUT
January NZ Herald x 2/ Bay Chronicle re Ad Special General
8 Jan Four Winds re Accountability Gas Oven
8 Jan Southern Trust re Accountability Platerator / Meat Slicer

Matters Arising:

Aroha – asked what the issue was with DOC regarding Wairakau.
Roger – opossum poisoning.
Aroha – was there an objection made.
Pari – yes, but we were too late.
Tahua – has Awanuiarangi been to the marae with regards to the Bachelor of
Matauranga Maori.
Roger – they will be here this afternoon. The Bachelor degree is the next
level. The next step is Masters, and the final stage is PhD. If we can get the
numbers it may be possible to base this programme at the new Kura at
Matauri. 90% of the mahi will be done on line.
Liarne – can we run a wananga to pay for our fees.
Roger – yes we can run a 5.1 programme the same as we are doing for Te
Paoro Hoori whanau.
Bella – what is the ratio that will qualify.
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Roger – 20.
Rawiri – how many have you got.
Roger – we have 5 or 6 from here. There could be the same number from
Matauri. The minimum age is 17 years. Laptops will have to be bought also.
Pari – what will it cost per student.
Roger - $800 for the course fee and $900 for a laptop.
Aroha – are there different symmesters.
Roger – he will tell you when he arrives.

Motion: It was agreed that the Correspondence In/ Out be accepted

Moved: Liarne McManus, Seconded: Anaru Roberts Carried

GENERAL BUSINESS:

1. Runanga
Pari - our
new CEO Cinnamon Whitlock has got the Runanga up and running.
- TROW AGM will be held on Monday 15 February
- Iwi Management Plan – still waiting on a draft to bring back to the
marae for discussion. The Council is making up a Community Plan and
the IMP will be put alongside theirs so that it can be looked at in
conjunction.
- Flooding Reduction Assessments – pertains only to Kaeo. The outlying
areas are allocated money for flood control i.e. $2,000.00 is allocated
for Matangirau. There have been feasibility studies done for the Kaeo
Flood Plain area.
- Te Ao Marama, which is governed by the Te Ukaipo arm of the
Runanga deals mainly with resource consent issues which will involve
consultation and discussion at marae level. We are still in the process
of drawing up the draft plans and getting the i’s dotted and the t’s
crossed. We have been trying to get the governance sorted out as
well. We have been in this position for 5 years now, it is grey hair
material.
Bella – who are the people involved.
Pari – Terry Smith, myself, Waitangi Wood, Pepe, and Waitai Tua. We are
trying to get everyone to do the Iwi Environmental Management
Course.
- The MAC’s programme which is run along similar lines as task force
green, there are 2 projects on the go at present. The Criteria for that
is that the projects are environmentally or community orientated.
Bella – does pest and weed eradication qualify.
Pari – yes
Bella – what about private enterprise
Pari – that could be different. You may be required to draw up a
Memorandum of Understanding whereby something in kind is given back to
the community. The application process will have to go through a recognized
Trust.
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Aroha – who is responsible for supplying the resources.

Pari – the person or organisation that the project belongs to will supply the
resources. The MAC’s programme will supply wages for labour only. TROW
is also asking for marae delegates to be re-affirmed.
Roger – thanked Pari for his informative korero.

Visitors from Awanuirangi arrived at 4.30pm – Nikora Taipeti and

partner.

Karakia: Henare Murray

Nga Mihi: Arthur Hori, Kana Pourewa

Nikora – mihinui ki te whare ki nga mate ki nga tangata whenua.

Roger – welcomed Nikora and partner and asked if he would explain his
kaupapa.
Nikora – all marae who have participated in the marae based learning
programmes from Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi are being asked to
submit students to take the next level by doing the Bachelor of Matauranga
Maori. I am here to facilitate those who wish to take this next step.
Henare – at what level of understanding of the Reo is the standard that
qualifies to do this programme.
Nikora – if you understood what was said in my mihi then that is the level of
understanding that you must have for this programme. The other is to be able
to write in Te Reo.
Aroha – what is the cut-off date.
Nikora – March 31st. We are in the first symmester now.
Kana – Toru tau, that’s a long time, surely that’s enough time for someone to
learn the Reo.
Nikora – we have been down that road before and it didn’t work. Those not
confident in the Reo can do levels 2 and 3.
Roger – we are still in the Pouhono stage. We have to complete 6
programmes before we can progress to the Bachelor of Matauranga Maori
level.
Tiniwa – so what you are saying is that if the tauira go through each stage,
they should learn the Reo along the way.
Roger – yes, it is up to you to decide if you have the abilities to attend this
programme.
Nikora – in 2003 our CEO Garry Hook from Taranaki invited Maori across the
Motu to attend a hui in Whakatane. Ngapuhi sent down 3 busloads. Everyone
agreed that they were experiencing the same problems in not being able to fill
both the kaikorero roles and the kaikaranga roles. Dr Hook came up with this
philosophy to help individuals to do their Karanga and tikanga on their own
marae.
Audrey – how do you conduct the test to determine if a student is eligible.
Nikora – it is an easy process. The student will be asked to translate a simple
English phrase into Te Reo and be able to write it.
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Kana – this is a good kaupapa as we need more of our people to fill those
seats.
Roger – thanked Nikora for his presentation and said that we will have a
break and those people who wish to enroll on this course to have a korero with
Nikora.

Kaputi 5.15pm

Resumed: 5.30pm

2. Kitchen Equipment
Roger – since our last hui we have bought a new oven and a meat slicer.
The accountability of those 2 items has already been done. The heat pump
that we applied for apparently never arrived at Southern Trust so we have
cancelled that application and will make a new one. The other equipment
that we will make an application for are a ‘dicer’ and a ‘flour mixer’ at
approximately $3,500.00 each.

Motion: It was agreed at this General Meeting of Karangahape

Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated
dated 13 February 2010 that an application for funding be made to
Southern Trust for the purchase of a heat pump.
Moved: Anaru Roberts, Seconded: Liarne McManus 1
against Carried

Motion: It was agreed at this General Meeting of Karangahape

Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated
dated 13 February 2010 that an application for funding be made to
Four Winds for the purchase of kitchen equipment.
Moved: Anaru Roberts, Seconded: Liarne McManus

Carried

3. Insurance
Roger – the value of our equipment that we have in our kitchen has almost
exceeded the value of the building. Because our whare is on a flood plain,
insurance companies will not insure it against flooding.
Aroha – can we insure it against fire.
Roger – yes. We have done some costings. Our premiums will be in the
vicinity of $3,000.00 per annum, excess for a marae is $400.00.
Liarne – we have looked at land owners insurance and home owners
insurance.
Aroha – if we raise the excess perhaps that will bring the cost down.
Bill – where will the money come from to pay for it.
Aroha – do we not have a general account.
Roger – yes. We will pay for it out of the general account. We will set up a
budget.
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Rawiri – does the insurance cover all of the kitchen equipment.

Roger – yes.
Aroha – where do funds for the marae come from.
Liarne – koha.
Bill – the general account has run out at times which means we have no
option but to draw putea from the Kaumatua Flats account to fill any short
falls.
Roger – asked Liarne to scroll up the accounts and explained that putea for
the building account is for that kaupapa only. He explained the returns from
the Awanuiarangi wananga programmes and stated who the core whanau
were who supported this kaupapa. When there is no money in the current
account some of us have to put their hands in their pockets.

Motion: It was agreed at this General Meeting of Karangahape

Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated
dated 13 February 2010 that Anaru Roberts be given the mandate
to approach insurance companies for a fire and contents insurance
for kitchen equipment at Karangahape marae.
Moved: Anaru Roberts Seconded: Aroha Bentson

Carried

Joe – the kitchen could do with more knives.

Aroha – we need more linen for the whare Tupuna.
Roger – the Komiti Wahine look after this area. Their chairperson is Mere
Smith.

4. Financial Books for Auditor

Liarne – our financial books are due to be sent away to our Auditors,
McCormack, Bray, & Dow on the 31st March.
Bella – are you happy with the Auditors.
Liarne – we are used to their systems and have no reason to change.

Motion: It was agreed at this General Meeting dated 13 February

2010 that the financial records for Karangahape Marae Trust and
Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated be presented to our
Auditors, McCormack, Bray, & Dow.
Moved: Liarne McManus, Seconded: William Hori

Carried

5. Rock Gas Provider

Liarne – stated we used to have a supplier from Mangonui but for whatever
reason he has not been able to get here. At Aunty Vi’s tangi we had to take a
bottle away to be filled.
Aroha – what was the cost.
Roger – diesel for my truck, back strain, and cost of gas was approximately
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$120 per bottle. Rock gas will fill it as we need it.

Liarne – the cost will depend on the size of the hui.
Joe – because these suppliers are doing it all the time just for sheer
expediency and efficiency is worth it.
Roger – explained that he does not ask for reimbursement for using his
vehicle to take the gas bottles to be re-filled. That cost comes out of my
pocket.
Bill – tautoko. A lot of the mahi that Trustees and others do for the marae is
done at a cost to themselves.

Motion: It was agreed at this General Meeting of Karangahape

Marae Trust and Karangahape Marae Association Incorporated
dated 13 February 2010 that Rock Gas be the provider of our gas for
the marae.
Moved: Liarne McManus, Seconded: Aroha Bentson

Carried

Roger – introduced his whanaunga Joe Tua.

6. Porter Whanau Unveiling New Years Eve

Aroha – acknowledged and thanked the whanau who made the marae
vacant for their hui. Our whanau was blown away by the equipment we now
have in the kitchen and they asked me to convey their thanks and
appreciation. However we could have done with a list of what was required
in regards to cleaning up the marae.
Roger - We had a list of do’s and don’ts up on the wall but one of our
whanaunga took offence to some of the rules on it and took it down.
Joe – can we suggest to remove those rules.
Roger – no. It will be put up as it was. That ropu will need to accept those
rules.
I was doing some spraying down by the river bank and noticed kina shells
thrown over the bank. What the whanau bring in, the whanau must take
away. We are now drawing our water from that awa and we need to look
after it.
Kana – in the past we have thrown our oyster and kina shells in the creek. It
used to feed our tuna. Manuhiri have said that the kai that comes out of our
kitchen is kei tino reka.

Karakia : Henare Murray

Meeting Closed: 5:30

pm