Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users
V 1.0.3

Arrange and build your orchestra with Vienna Ensemble - Presets!

The whole mix inside each section is done for you!
Chose between 3 different orchestra sizes / rooms!
VE - Percussion
VE - Brass
VE - Woodwinds

Content
Overview ....................................................................
What do you need the VE-Presets for?...............................
The Templates ....................................................................
How to install the presets....................................................
How to integrate the VE-Presets in a DAW.........................
How to expand the VE-Templates.......................................
Virtual Small Ensemble (Presets, Midi Channels)...............
Virtual Chamber Orchestra A (Presets, Midi Channels).....
Virtual Chamber Orchestra B (Presets, Midi Channels).....
Virtual Symphonic Orchestra A (Presets, Midi Channels)..
Virtual Symphonic Orchestra B (Presets, Midi Channels)..
Remarks about the Mixing-Concept....................................
- About Frequencies in the Orchestra
Remarks about the Mixing-Concept II.................................
- About Positions of the Instrument Sections
Remarks about the Mixing-Concept III................................
- About Positions of Instruments in an Audio-Mix
- The Optimized Mix with the VE-Presets

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VE - Strings

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Each section of instruments

is a Vienna Ensemble.
The presets contain all the
necessary Vienna Instruments
and the effects so that all
modules fit together.

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Have fun

MAC: VEPro 5 or higher

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Yours
Beat Kaufmann

*As long as the VE and all the samples

are on the same computer you can use
the presets with the free VE as well.

Virtual Stage

Solo

System Requirements
WIN/MAC:
Vienna Suite (1.3.1601or higher)
Samples of VSL with Vienna Instrument
or Vienna InstrumentPro.
WIN: VEPro4.1 or higher
VE 4.1* or higher (free Version)

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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

What do you need the VE-Presets for?

These templates allow you to build an orchestra of your taste.
Do you just use strings and woodwinds?
1. Load 2 VE-Instances
2. Choose between Small, Medium or Large
3. Load the corresponding presets... (woodwinds / strings)

Voil! The orchestra is ready, plays in the correct size and with a perfect mix!
Please keep in mind that the VE-Presets do not content any sample when you load it the first time.
Each VE is prepared with the SUITE EFFECTS, all the instruments are perfect routed, "EQed" and "panned".
Further, all of them pass through the correct depth to the output of the VE into your DAW.
That means: You need to insert all the samples into each single Vienna Instrument. If you take the idea of having
"Every-Time-A-Good-Starting-Point" you could produce a sort of Basic-Preset (sample content and keyswitches).
More information about "Basic-Presets": http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vibasicpresets/index.php

If you wish to exchange the depths within the Convolution Reverb:

- Do it in every VE so that all the instruments will play in the same room (with different depths, if possible).
- Use your own room presets.
- Use the Hybrid-Presets of http://www.beat-kaufmann.com
Further:
- Expand the VEs with new instruments, further articulations.
- Change the Midi-Channels for instruments.
- Insert further effects into the channels.
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The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

Some of you have prepared whole orchestra-templates. That's OK. Unfortunately you lose a lot of time while loading those templates
and you probably use a lot of RAM for them each time you are working with them.
Some of you don't have such templates. They do the mix - and lose time for this job - with every new piece.

The Templates
You will get the following VE-Presets:

Percussion
Chamber-Orchestra Version
Symphonic-Orchestra Version

Brass
Small Ensemble Version (best for Solo Brass Instruments)
Chamber-Orchestra Version (best for Solo Brass Instruments or Ensembles)
Symphonic-Orchestra Version (best for Brass Ensembles)

Woodwinds
Small Ensemble Version (best for Solo Woodwinds)
Chamber-Orchestra Version (best for Solo Woodwind or Ensembles)
Symphonic-Orchestra Version (best for Woodwind Ensembles)

Strings
Small Ensemble Version (best for Solo Strings)
Chamber-Orchestra Version (best for Chamber Strings)
Symphonic-Orchestra Version (best for Orchestra/Appassionata Strings)

The Advantages
- Put your currently needed orchestra together with the "modules" you see below
- All the instruments inside the VE are panned and routed through a correct depth.
- You are free to exchange instruments inside each VE
- You are free to expand the amount of instruments inside each VE
- You are free to change the depths/concert rooms at any time (use the Hybrid-Presets)
- You save a lot of time
- You get good points of start for many standard situations

All equal-VE-presets (Small, Chamber,...)

are using the same IR with the integrated
convolution reverb. So you only can get
the perfect room depths when you are
going to use the "equal" VE-Presets.
But, no problem to insert the depth
of the Symphonic Orchestra Strings
into the Depth of Small Ensemble Strings.

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VE - Percussion
Stage

VE - Brass
VE - Woodwinds
VE - Strings
Solo

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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

How to install the VE - Presets

1. Unzip the Preset file.
2. Copy the Presets into a folder you like.
That's it so far

How to install a VE - Preset within a Vienna Ensemble

1. Open a Vienna Ensemble
2. Click on "Open Project..." and search for the folder with the presets.
3. Choose one of the presets
That's it.
Make sure that all the computers with samples are connected by the Ethernet.

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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

How to integrate the VE in a DAW

1. Open the Server "Vienna Ensemble" - either 64Bit or 32Bit
2. Open your DAW for example with the music you would
like to play with samples.

Percussion-tracks
Brass-tracks
Woodwind-tracks
String-tracks

3. Open the first Vienna Ensemble and choose "Open Project...".

4. Search for a Preset you want to have (Small / Medium / Large). Further, you can choose between "Vienna-Instruments" or "Vienna Instruments Pro".
5. Choose one
6. The instrument section will be loaded now.
7. Connect now the section-tracks with this VE
8. Choose each Section-Track and assign the corresponding Midi-Channel (for example Violin1=Ch1, Violin2=Ch2,...) See each orchestra table (page 7 - page 11)
9. Repeat this procedure with each Instrument-Section.
Maybe you don't have Brass or Percussion, so don't open the VE for those missing instruments.
Important:
If you open the VE-Presets the very first time you can't find any integrated articulation! So it's up to you to prepare the VIs with samples*.
After you have done this job press "Save Project" within VE. If you will open this preset another time you will get the correct mix with the samples as well
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The for VEs for building a whole

Orchestra. All the Mix is done for you...
also with the corresponding depths.
VE-L-Strings

VE-L-Woodwinds

VE-L-Brass

VE-L-Percussion

* Try to make "Basic-Presets" (All instruments and articulations follow the same keyswitches for example) See:
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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

How to integrate the VE in a DAW

A VE-Preset contains all the necessary Suite-Effects for a fitting sound with all
the other VEs. If you are going to open all the presets of a "family" (S, M or L)
you will get the corresponding sound of the venue you have chosen.

Small: ideal for ensembles with a single instrument each section = small room
Medium: ideal for the size of chamber ensembles
Large: ideal for the size of symphonic orchestras
Advantage of the presets
Several things are done for You: the panning, the correct depth and also
the EQ settings. No need to change anything as long as you insert the corresponding instruments. Maybe you have to adjust the volumes a bit.
Exchange instruments within the preset
Let us assume you use a piano instead of the solo violin above.
No problem. The only thing you need to change is probably the EQ-settings
and of course the volume.

VE-Instrument-Tracks within the DAW

The VEs will use an instrument-Bus each
or something similar within your DAW.
Use the Shifters (Volume) to adjust a
correct balance between all the sections.
That's it.

An optimized Output Channel of the DAW

Route the VE-Channels to the Master-Output.
It makes sense, that you insert the VSL Exciter
for enhancing the high frequencies a bit and
a limiter followed by a Dither-PlugIn (if it
comes to make a mixdown for a
CD for example).

optimized
Master-Out

The Orchestra-Mixes out of the VEs are relatively "dry". So you can add a "reverb over all"
for getting an even more room feeling.
A little compression first followed by the
mentioned reverb above (algor.) and a bit of
stereo enhancing can increase the sound
even more!

Standard
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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

How to expand the VE - Presets

These Presets are a good starting point for several projects. Nevertheless, insert further tracks, exchange instruments, adjust EQs,
Panners and so on. Most time you need to adjust the volume of some instruments. This is as sure as eggs is eggs.
So...

I wish a lot of success

Yours

Depth 3

VE - Percussion
VE - Brass

Depth 2
Depth 1

VE - Woodwinds
VE - Strings
Solo

Virtual Stage

Insert further Instruments.

Adapt all the effects.
Insert further effects, such as Compressors, Exciters etc.
Use the VSL-Hybrid-Reverb Presets.
Insert the Hybrid-Reverb instead the Convolution.
Reverb and load one of the 12 Presets and with it
the corresponding depth into the Hybrid of each VE.
So you will get 12 more room-feelings.
The Orchestra plays then in a "church" for example.
- Create your own rooms and depths.

Insert one of the

12 Hybrid presets
into the VEs
(Depth 1 - 3)

Beat Kaufmann
Vienna Ensemble Presets V1.00, 2012

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Small

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

VE-S-Brass
Trumpet

Horn

Ch1

Ch3

Virtual Small Ensemble

VE-S-Woodwinds

Trombone
Ch4

Tuba
Ch5

Ctr Bassoon
Flute
Clarinet
Oboe1

Ch5

Ch1

Bassoon

Ch4

Ch1

Ch3

D-Bass
Ch5

Ch2

Harp
Ch6

VE-S-Strings

Trumpet 2

Cello

Viola

Harpsi.
Ch7

Ch4

Ch3

(free available)
Violin 1

Violin 2

Ch1

Soloist
Ch8

Ch2
Name of the Presets: VE-S-XXX(_VIPro)
Play a certain instrument with Midi-Channel ChX

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Medium

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

Virtual M Chamber Orchestra (A)

VE-M-Percussion
Timpani

Crash

Snare

Ch1

Ch2

Ch3

Triangle
(Tambourine etc.)
Ch8

Horn

Trumpet 1

Ch3

Ch1

VE-M-Woodwinds
Clarinet
(Oboe2)
Oboe1

Ch4

CtrBassoon
Flute Ch5
Bassoon
Ch1

Tuba
(Trbne 2) Trumpet 2
Ch2

Ch5

Ch4

Ch3

Ch2

Trombone 1

VE-M-Brass

D-Basses
Ch5

Harp
Ch6

Harpsi.
Ch7

VE-M-Strings-A

Violins 2

Violas

Ch2

Ch3

Violins 1

Cellos

Ch1

Soloist
Ch8

Ch4
Name of the Presets: VE-M-XXX(_VIPro)
Play a certain instrument with Midi-Channel ChX

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Medium

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

Virtual M Chamber Orchestra (B)

VE-M-Percussion
Timpani

Crash

Snare

Ch1

Ch2

Ch3

Triangle
(Tambourine etc.)
Ch8

Horn

Trumpet 1

Ch3

Ch1

VE-M-Woodwinds
Clarinet
(Oboe2)
Oboe1

Ch4

CtrBassoon
Flute Ch5
Bassoon
Ch1

Tuba
(Trbne 2) Trumpet 2
Ch2

Ch5

Ch4

Ch3

Ch2

Trombone 1

VE-M-Brass

D-Basses
Ch5

Harp
Ch6

Harpsi.
Ch7

VE-M-Strings
VE-M-Strings-B

Violas

Cellos

Ch3

Ch4

Violins 1

Violins 2

Ch1

Soloist
Ch8

Ch2
Name of the Presets: VE-M-XXX(_VIPro)
Play a certain instrument with Midi-Channel ChX

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Virtual L Symphonic Orchestra (A)

Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

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Large

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

VE-L-Percussion
Xyl/Marim Timpani
Snare(s)
Glockenspiel
Ch7
Ch1
Ch3
Ch6
Triangle
Cymbal
Bs Drum
Ch8
Ch4
Ch2
Tubular
Ch5

Horns

Trumpets 1

Ch3

Ch1

Ch4

VE-L-Woodwinds
Clarinets

Ch1

Trumpets 2
Tuba

Bassoons

Flutes

Ch3

Ch2

Ch5

Ch4

CtrBassoon
Ch5

Oboes
Ch2

Trombones

VE-L-Brass

D-Basses

Ch5

Harp
Ch6

VE-L-Strings-A

Violins 2

Violas

Ch2

Ch3

Violins 1

Cellos

Ch1

Ch4

Soloist
Name of the Presets: VE-L-XXX(_VIPro)
Play a certain instrument with Midi-Channel ChX

Ch8

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Large

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

VE-L-Percussion
Xyl/Marim Timpani
Snare(s)
Glockenspiel
Ch7
Ch1
Ch3
Ch6
Triangle
Cymbal
Bs Drum
Ch8
Ch4
Ch2
Tubular
Ch5

Horns

Trumpets 1

Ch3

Ch1

Ch4

VE-L-Woodwinds
Clarinets
Ch3

Ch1

Tuba

Bassoons

Flutes

Trumpets 2
Ch2

Ch5

Ch4

CtrBassoon
Ch5

Oboes
Ch2

Trombones

VE-L-Brass

D-Basses
Ch5

Harp
Ch6

VE-L-Strings-B

Violas

Cellos

Ch3

Ch4

Violins 1

Violins 2

Ch1

Soloist

Ch2
Name of the Presets: VE-L-XXX(_VIPro)
Play a certain instrument with Midi-Channel ChX

Ch8

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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

Remarks about the Mixing-Concept I

Even if we have some standards how orchestra players shall be placed, we also have to take into account that we will get a nice and
transparent mix in the end. From this point of view it isn't a good idea to place the second violin behind the first one...
The meaning of the colours

About frequencies in the orchestra

Let us observe the main frequencies of the instruments within an orchestra.
Trumpets 2 Horns
Trumpets 1
Trombones
Tuba
Flutes
Clarinets
Oboes
Bassoons
Violins 2
Violas
Cellos
Violins 1

D-Basses

Frequencies

High

Low

Seeing the upper distribution we know that it will be difficult to get a transparent mix this way. The high violins will cover the Flutes,
the trumpets and so on. For getting a transparent mix we should have positions as we can see below:
Trombones
Bassoons
Violins 1

Tuba
Oboes
Violas

Horns
Flutes
Cellos

Trumpets 1
Clarinets
D-Basses

Trumpets 2
Violins 2

Of course, we don't want to dissolve holy positions. Nevertheless, we can deviate a little bit within the audio mix.

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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

Remarks about the Mixing-Concept II

About Positions of the Instrument Sections
Let us observe a common arrangement of the sections:
Instrument Sections
in a Concert Hall

Trumpets 1
Flutes
Violins 1

Violins 2

Violas

Tuba
Bassoons
Cellos

D-Basses

Frequencies

High
Percussion
Trumpets 2 Horns
Trombones
Clarinets
Oboes

Low

Beside the frequencies we have another bad situation in a mix with the upper arrangement. Instrument sections are covered by
other sections. Though, we have this in practice, we could improve this situation for our mix as well:

Instrument Sections:
A possible ideal
(transparent mix)

Percussion
Trumpets 1 Horns
Trumpets 2 Trombones Tuba

Flutes Oboes Clarinets Bassoons

Violins 1

Violins 2

Violas

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Cellos

D-Basses

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Orchestra-Modules with the

Vienna Ensemble - Presets

Beat Kaufmann

Crealec

The Presets are for VE-Pro4 and higher

They are usable for WIN- and MAC-users

Remarks about the Mixing-Concept III

About Positions of Instruments in an Audio-Mix
Instruments with high energy sound pressures should be in the middle of both stereo channels:
Bass Drum Timpani etc.
Instrument Sections
Tuba
in a Concert Hall
Bassoons
Cellos D-Basses

Stereo - Signal

All these matters lead us to...

The Optimized Mix which comes with the VE-Presets

Putting all the ideals together and mix them to a moderate mix which takes all the "shoulds" and the "musts" into account we
get a following and possible solution:
Placement of the Instruments
(optimized for a transparent
Audio Mix)

Violins 1

Oboes

Clarinets
Violas

Horns
Flutes

Percussion
Trumpets 1 Trombones
Trumpets 2
Tuba
Bassoons
D-Basses

Cellos

Violins 2

Frequencies

High

Low

The Frequencies are panned from the left to the right, deep and the high energy signals come more from centre (even better solved with
the B-Versions) Further, the woodwinds are a bit turned to the left and the brass instruments more to the right which leads to an even
better transparency. Nevertheless, the mix follows more or less the common rules within the concert halls.
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