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Below are the abstracts of three papers that provide the basis for combining glutathione and
hydroxocobalamin.
The idea is that glutathione reacts with hydroxocobalamin to form glutathionylcobalamin. This
protects the hydroxocobalamin so that it can be used to form its coenzyme forms, adenosylcobalamin
and methylcobalamin, rather than reacting with toxins.
This normally happens inside the cells of the body, but when glutathione is depleted, as in CFS, toxins
build up because the detoxication system is not working well (Glutathione is responsible for one of the
Phase II detox pathways, as well as handling hydrogen peroxide that is produced from superoxide,
which in turn is produced by the Phase I CYP450 enzymes. So when glutathione becomes depleted, the
detox system does not function well, and toxins build up.) Then, because the concentration of
glutathione is low, while the concentrations of the toxins have been allowed to rise, the toxins are able
to compete successfully with glutathione to react with the hydroxocobalamin. The hydroxocobalamin
is thus not available to be converted to its coenzyme forms. That's why I say that vitamin B12 is
"hijacked" in CFS.
The ratio of 4 to 1 in mixing hydroxocobalamin with glutathione comes from the facts that these
substances react in a 1 to 1 mole ratio, but the molecular weight of hydroxocobalamin is 1346.37, while
the molecular weight of glutathione is 307.33. The ratio of these two numbers is 4.38. If you mix
these two substances at a ratio of 4 to 1, you will have excess glutathione with respect to
hydroxocobalamin, so that all the hydroxocobalamin will react with glutathione, and there will be some
glutathione left over.
I first heard about nebulizing glutathione together with hydroxocobalamin from Jim Seymour, a
pharmacist from Key Pharmacy in Kent, Washington, in a talk he gave to the Multiple Chemical
Sensitivity (MCS) workshop that was held at the DoubleTree Hotel in Burlingame, CA, near the San
Francisco airport, on August 4-6, 2006. He reported that Dr. Grace Ziem had been giving glutathione
and hydroxocobalamin separately by nebulizer as part of the protocol she and Prof. Martin Pall had
developed for MCS, and she decided to mix them together to speed up the process. She found that
when she did this, her patients experienced more benefit, so she continued to do it. [RIVKA'S NOTE: I
CALLED KEY PHARMACY AND THEY SELL THE B12 AND GLUTATHIONE NEEDED TO
DO THIS NEBULIZING. THO THEIR GLUTATHIONE IS VERY PRICEY, AS THEY SEND IT
OVERNIGHT ON ICE. INSTEAD, SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE TO USE THE "REDUCED L-
GLUTATHOINE WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE" POWDER THAT COMES IN CAPSULES
FROM THE COMPANY CALLED THERANATURALS. NO PRESCRIPTION NEEDED. MUCH
CHEAPER. NOW BACK TO RICH'S EMAIL...]
I was curious about this, dug into the literature, and found these papers. I concluded that mixing the
two together was protecting the hydroxocobalamin from toxins.
Please feel free to forward this email to your pharmacist, Dr., the CFS-Yasko group, and to whomever
else you think might be interested.
Best regards,
Rich
Chem Res Toxicol. 2004 Dec;17(12):1562-7.Links
A new role for glutathione: protection of vitamin B12 from depletion by xenobiotics.
Watson WP, Munter T, Golding BT.
Syngenta Central Toxicology Laboratory, Alderley Park, Cheshire, SK10 4TJ, United Kingdom.
william.watson@syngenta.com
NADPH in microsomes reduces the hydroxocob(III)alamin form of vitamin B12 to cob(II)alamin and
the supernucleophilic cob(I)alamin, which are both highly reactive toward xenobiotic epoxides formed
by mammalian metabolism of dienes such as the industrially important chemicals chloroprene and 1,3-
butadiene. With styrene, the metabolically formed styrene oxide is reactive toward cob(I)alamin but not
cob(II)alamin. Such reactions in humans could lead to vitamin B12 deficiency, which is implicated in
pernicious anemia, cancer, and degenerative diseases. However, glutathione inhibits the reduction of
hydroxocob(III)alamin by formation of the 1:1 complex glutathionylcobalamin. This blocks reactions
of the cobalamins with metabolically formed epoxides. The interaction between glutathione and
vitamin B12 could protect against diseases related to vitamin B12 depletion.
Inorg Chem. 2004 Oct 18;43(21):6848-57.Links
Here is info on a ratio of B12 and glutathione and some info re: nebulizer….This one has an additional
mouthpiece (purchased separately, that closes the valve when you are not breathing, saving medication.
THIS IS A STARTING POINT - Please search the archives for more recent posts but this is where it
stand at this point in time (March 2009)
Message #7735 of 7747
April 27, 2008
Exact dose of GSH and HB12 to form glutathionylB12
Hi muralimanoharam,
I have made my numbers, and for maintaining the rate 1:1 moles in the
reaction: GSH+HB12=glutathionylB12, for each 10 mg of HydroxyB12 you
have to add 2.18 mg of GSH, so if you take 4 mg of HB12, you have only
to add 0.87 mg of GSH!!! this is a good news, since it is very cheaper!!
Sergio
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They sell for a big range of prices for the same thing but after
searching through MANY pages on Google found this one for $42.95 at
http://www.bpimedicalsupply.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BP&Product_Code=PRP86F83LCPLUS&Category_Code=Ne
bulizers . The extra sprint nebulizer was $10. Some places want a
prescription for nebulizers, most don't. This one didn't. It you want
to get the Pari, be sure to order the II as it is newer and much
lighter. They also offer a smaller and lighte one for travelling but
it is much more expensive. Hope this is useful.
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Message #11001 Author: normaharman (Susan)
P.S. This was about the best rated nebulizer in the Journal of
Respiratory Therapy. The price you pay for it varies hugely. I hunted
down to about page 7 on the google listings and found a pharmacy that
sells it for much less, as they have volume sales. Here is a link:
http://www.bpimedicalsupply.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BP&Product_Code=PRP86F83LCPLUS&Category_Code=Ne
bulizers It came with a different nebulizer (the thing you actually
put in your mouth) but they let me add the Sprint for just $10. I
think the price has gone up a bit since I ordered, though this is
still a good price.
Susan
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This message is from Jason after verifying with Rich regarding the ratio….