DRM Petitioner Reply Brief Exibit - Jesse Gabriel Declaration

Case 2:17-cv-00218-RSM-JPD Document 35-11 Filed 02/16/17 Page 1 of 40
1 The Hon. James P. Donohue

Chief Magistrate Judge
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CASE NO. 2:17-CV-00218-RSM-JPD
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Daniel Ramirez Medina,
13 DECLARATION OF JESSE S.
Petitioner, GABRIEL IN SUPPORT OF
14 PETITIONERS RESPONSE BRIEF RE:
v. COURTS FEBRUARY 14, 2017, ORDER
15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND DIRECTING SERVICE, SETTING
SECURITY; JOHN KELLY, Secretary of STATUS CONFERENCE, AND
16 Homeland Security; NATHALIE ASHER, SETTING BRIEFING SCHEDULE
Director of the Seattle Field Office of U.S.
17 Immigration and Customs Enforcement,
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Gibson, Dunn & Declaration of J. Gabriel

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JESSE S. GABRIEL (CA SBN 263137), pro hac vice
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1 I, Jesse S. Gabriel, declare as follows:

2 1. I am an attorney admitted to practice law pro hac vice before this Court. I am an associate at
3 the law firm of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, and I am one of the attorneys responsible for the
4 representation of Daniel Ramirez Medina (Mr. Ramirez) in the above-captioned action. I
5 submit this declaration in support of Mr. Ramirezs Response to the Respondents Brief re:
6 Courts February 14, 2017, Order Directing Service, Setting Status Conference, and Setting
7 Briefing Schedule. The following facts are within my personal knowledge and, if called and
8 sworn as a witness, I would testify competently to these facts.
9 2. Attached hereto as Exhibit A is a true and correct copy of a tweet from KOMO News entitled
10 ICE Statement: Arrest of Daniel Ramirez-Medina, accessed on February 16, 2017 at
11 https://twitter.com/komonews/status/831705954584453121/photo/1.
12 3. Attached hereto as Exhibit B is a true and correct copy of an article from Reuters entitled
13 Mexican DREAMer nabbed in immigrant crackdown, accessed on February 16, 2017
14 from Westlaw.
15 4. Attached hereto as Exhibit C is a true and correct copy of the transcript from The First 100
16 Days, which aired on February 15, 2017. This was accessed on February 16, 2017 at
17 http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2017/02/15/chaffetz-want-inspector-general-to-
18 investigate-leaks-attorney-for-arrested/.
19 5. Attached hereto as Exhibit D is a true and correct copy of the CBS News article entitled
20 DREAMer protected under Obama detained in Seattle area, accessed on February 16, 2017
21 at http://www.cbsnews.com/news/daniel-ramirez-medina-dreamer-protected-under-obama-
22 detained-in-seattle/.
23 6. Attached hereto as Exhibit E is a true and correct copy of DHS Statement on Arrest of Alien
24 Gang Member in Washington, accessed on February 16, 2017 at
25 https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/02/15/dhs-statement-arrest-admitted-alien-gang-member-
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1 I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States and the State of
2 Washington that the foregoing is true and correct, and that I executed this Declaration on February
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Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Case 2:17-cv-00218-RSM-JPD
Mexican 'DREAMer' Document
nabbed in immigrant crackdown 35-11 Filed 02/16/17 Page 9 of 40
2/14/17 Reuters U.S. Top News 22:38:54
Reuters US Top News

Copyright (c) 2017 Thomson Reuters
February 14, 2017
Mexican 'DREAMer' nabbed in immigrant crackdown
Sue Horton
Kristina Cooke
Bill Rigby; Seattle
Dan Levine
Will Dunham
US-USA-TRUMP-IMMIGRATION-ARREST-EXCLUSIVE:Mexican 'DREAMer' nabbed in immigrant crackdown
2017-02-15 15:21:32 GMT+00:00
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - U.S. immigration authorities have detained a 23-year-old Mexican man who was brought
to the United States illegally as a child and given a work permit during the Obama administration, according to a lawsuit
challenging the detention in Seattle federal court.
The man's lawyers say this could be the first time under U.S. President Donald Trump that a person covered by
the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, has been taken into immigration custody. The program was
established in 2012 by Democratic President Barack Obama to allow those brought to the country while young to attend
school and work.
Ethan Dettmer, a partner in the law firm Gibson Dunn & Crutcher and one of the lawyers representing the man, Daniel
Ramirez Medina, said he is not aware of any other DACA recipient who has been arrested.
"We are hoping this detention was a mistake," he added.
Ramirez was a "self-admitted gang member," said Rose Richeson, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE), in a statement.
"ICE officers took Mr Ramirez into custody based on his admitted gang affiliation and risk to public safety."
Richeson declined to elaborate further on how ICE established the man was a member of a gang.
Dettmer said Ramirez "unequivocally denies" being in a gang.
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"While in custody, he was repeatedly pressured by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to falsely admit
affiliation," said Dettmer. "The statement issued tonight by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is not accurate."
Ramirez, who has no criminal record according to court papers filed in his case, was taken into custody last week at his
father's home in Seattle by ICE officers.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
In an interview with ABC News last month, Trump said his administration was devising a policy on how to deal with
people covered by DACA, without indicating any concrete plans.
"They are here illegally. They shouldn't be very worried. I do have a big heart. We're going to take care of everybody.
We're going to have a very strong border," Trump said at the time.
According to the lawsuit, which was filed by Harvard Law School Professor Laurence Tribe and other prominent
attorneys, officers went to the home to arrest the man's father. Court documents do not make clear why the father was
taken into custody.
Ramirez, now detained in Tacoma, Washington, was granted temporary permission to live and work in the United States
under DACA in about 2014, according to the lawsuit, and his status was renewed in 2016. Reuters viewed a document
attached to the lawsuit that appeared to confirm his DACA approval.
The program protects from deportation 750,000 people who were brought to the United States illegally as children,
sometimes called "dreamers."
Trump, a Republican who took office on Jan. 20, has promised a crackdown on the estimated 11 million illegal
immigrants in the United States, most of whom come from Mexico and other Latin American countries.
Although the reasons for Ramirez's arrest are in dispute, a move against DACA recipients would represent a significant
broadening of immigration enforcement under Trump.
Reuters could not independently confirm whether other DACA recipients have been detained since Trump took office.
Ramirez filed a challenge to his detention in Seattle federal court on Monday, arguing that the government violated his
constitutional rights because he had work authorization under the DACA program, his lawsuit said.
Ramirez was in custody and unavailable for comment.
A BROKEN PROMISE?
Another of Ramirez's lawyers, Mark Rosenbaum of the legal advocacy group Public Counsel, characterized the DACA
program as a promise from the federal government's executive branch that DACA recipients would not be targeted for
deportation and said he hoped that promise would not be broken.
Emily Langley, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office in Seattle, said the Justice Department is still reviewing
the case.

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Under 2014 guidance from the Obama administration, someone would be a deportation priority for gang activity only
if they had been convicted of an offence in connection with the gang, not for gang affiliation alone, although there was
room for discretion on the part of immigration officials. Reuters could not determine whether gang members who had
not committed crimes were deported during Obama's tenure.
U.S. immigration officers last week arrested more than 680 people in the country illegally. Department of Homeland
Security Secretary John Kelly said the operations, conducted in at least a dozen states, were routine and consistent with
regular operations.
But immigrant advocacy groups and Democrats have expressed concern that the Trump administration will escalate
immigration enforcement efforts in line with the president's tough stance toward illegal immigrants.
Ramirez in his lawsuit is seeking immediate release and an injunction forbidding the government from arresting him
again. A hearing in the case has been scheduled for Friday.
According to the lawsuit, Ramirez was asleep at his father's home last Friday morning when ICE agents arrived and
arrested the father. When they entered, they asked Ramirez if he was in the country legally, and Ramirez said he had
a work permit, the lawsuit stated.
ICE agents took Ramirez to a processing center in Seattle and he again disclosed his DACA work permit, the lawsuit
stated.
Ramirez was fingerprinted, booked and taken to a detention center in Tacoma where he remained on Tuesday, said
Rosenbaum.
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Exhibit C
2/16/2017 Chaffetz:WewantinspectorgeneraltoinvestigateleaksAttorneyforarrested'dreamer'speaksout|FoxNews
Meanwhile,aheadlineinTheNewYorkTimessaystheblameisonteamTrumpandtheirallegedrepeatedcontactswith
Russianintelligence.
Sowhileallthiswasplayingouttoday,NavyViceAdmiralRobertHarwardisnowthemanwhoisexpectedtobethenew
nationalsecurityadvisor.Hecouldreportforduty,wearetold,asearlyasFridayofthis.
CongressmanJasonChaffetzishereexclusivelytonighttoannounceanewinvestigationinthewakeofthisGeneralFlynn
story.Wewillgettothatinjustamoment.
But,first,weturntochiefintelligencecorrespondentCatherineHerridge.
Goodevening,Catherine.
CATHERINEHERRIDGE,FOXNEWSCHIEFINTELLIGENCECORRESPONDENT:Well,thankyou,Martha.Inthelast
10minutes,theRepublicanchairmanoftheSenateJudiciaryCommitteeChuckGrassleyandrankingDemocratSenator
DianneFeinsteinsendingthislettertotheattorneygeneralandFBIdirector,seekingthecontentoftheformernational
securityadvisorMikeFlynn'scommunicationwithRussianofficials.
TheJusticeDepartmentresponseaninformationaboutpotentialleaksofclassifiedinformationasthepresidenttoday
blamedpoliticsandthemediaforhisnationalsecurityadvisor'sexit.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
TRUMP:PeoplearetryingtocoverupforaterriblelossthattheDemocratshadunderHillaryClinton.Ithinkit'svery,very
unfairwhathashappenedtoGeneralFlynn,thewayhewastreatedandthedocumentsandpapersthatwereillegallyI
stressthatillegallyleaked.
(ENDVIDEOCLIP)
HERRIDGE:Alsolatetoday,theWhiteHousenamingthatformerNavySEALanddeputycommanderfortheMiddleEast
JohnHarwardasFlynn'sreplacement.TheTrumpadministrationclearlyhopingtheannouncementwillbluntfurther
questions.
Meantime,ahandfulofnamesarecirculatinghereinWashingtontonightbasedonaccesstothehighlyrestricted
intelligenceandleaker'smotivation.FoxNewsiscontactingformerintelligence,anObamaadministrationofficial
separatelyanddirectly.
Meantime,theWashingtonFreeBeaconreportsthatformerWhiteHouseaideBenRhodesatthecenteroftheIrandeal
andthescandaloverthe2012Benghaziterroristattackisthemaindriveroftheleaks.Therewasnoimmediatecomment
fromRhodestonight.
WritingonTwitterearlierthisweek,Rhodessaid,"Whencampaignchairmanandnationalsecurityadvisorbothresigned
overRussiaties,thereismore.PaulManafortandFlynnhadnothingincommon,exceptRussiaandTrump."
AgovernmentsourceconfirmedtoFoxNewsthattheFBIinvestigationdoesgobeyondFlynn.Andalsoincludescontacts
betweentheTrumpcampaignteamandRussianofficialsleadinguptotheelection.WearetoldatthispointtheFBIdoes
notseeevidencethatanylawswerebroken,Martha.
MACCALLUM:Thatisoneofthehighlightsthere.Catherine,thankyouverymuch.
HERRIDGE:You'rewelcome.
http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2017/02/15/chaffetzwantinspectorgeneraltoinvestigateleaksattorneyforarrested/print 2/19
MACCALLUM:SomynextguesthasbignewstoshareconcerningformernationalsecurityadviserGeneralMichael
Flynn,UtahCongressmanJasonChaffetz.HeischairmanoftheHouseOversightCommittee.
Congressman,goodtohaveyouherethisevening.
JASONCHAFFETZ(RUTAH),HOUSEOVERSIGHT&GOVERNMENTREFORMCOMMITTEE:Thanksalot.
MACCALLUM:Alotbuzzingthiseveningaboutinvestigations.Whatcanyoutellus?
CHAFFETZ:Well,whatwearegoingtodoissendalettertonighttotheinspectorgeneral.Mishandlingofclassified
informationissomethingwehavebeenkeenlyconcernedaboutinavarietyofsettings.Butnotonlythepresident
communications,thenationalsecurityadvisor,again,ithappenedbefore,potentiallyhappenedbeforethepresidentwas
actuallyswornin.Butyoucan'tmishandleclassifiedinformation.Andsowewanttheinspectorgeneraltodiveintothat
issue,ashecandowiththeDepartmentofJusticeandlookunderthehoodandfindthetruthbehindthis.
MACCALLUM:Allright.Sowhatareyoudigginginfor?YouaretryingtofigureoutwhetherornotGeneralFlynnwas
translatinganyconfidentialinformationtotheRussianspriortotheelection?
CHAFFETZ:Well,weaskedtheinspectorgeneraltoalsolookathowdoesthatinformationendupatthenewsmedia.
Youknow,ifyouhaveclassifiedinformation,sensitiveinformationlikethat,therearepoliciesandproceduresforhandling
that.
Thepresidenthasmadesomeveryseriousallegationsandconcerninhisdescriptionofthemovementofthisinformation.
Wewanttheinspectorgeneral,MichaelHorowitz,who'swidelyregardedonbothsidesoftheaisle,asapersonofgreat
integritytogetinthereandgofindthisout.
Becausenomatterwhereyouareinthepoliticalspectrum,youcannothaveclassifiedinformationmigratingoutintoanon
classifiedsetting.Andsoiftherehasbeensomethingthathasbeenmishandled,wewantthemtolookatit.
MACCALLUM:Sojusttobeclear,youarelookingatitonbothsidesoftheequation,becausealotofpeople,youknow,
theyseeyouandtheyequateyouwiththeHillaryClintoninvestigation.
Youwereveryconcernedthatclassifiedinformationmayhavepassedfromherhands,evendealingswithRussia,we
talkedaboutatthattime.SoyouwouldapplythatsamemeasuretoGeneralFlynnaswell?
CHAFFETZ:Well,yes.AndwealsosentaseparateletterconcernedtotheWhiteHouse,concernedaboutwhat,you
know,thevisualsthatwesawthepresidentinMaraLago,again,wasclassifiedinformation,mishandledthere.
Ithinkthestandardisstillthesame.Youhaveadutyandanobligation,becausebyitsverynature,iftheclassified
informationgetsoutthere,itcanharmsomebody.Itcankillsomebody.Thisisseriousstuff.
AndtherearesomequestionsandconcernsabouthowinFloridadidtheyhavethepropersecurityprotocolssetupin
placetodealwiththatclassifiedinformation.
SamewithHillaryClinton,samewithDonaldTrumpandsamewith,youknow,thoseintheintelligenceworldoratthe
DepartmentofJusticewhogettoseethisinformation.Theyjustcan'thandedoutlikecandyandfavorstothoseinthe
newsmedia.Theycan'tdothat.
MACCALLUM:WhataboutPresidentTrump'sassertionthathethinksthatit'sacriminalactintermsofthewaythatthis
information,andpotentiallysomeonelikeBenRhodeswhowejustmentionedinthatstory,heissomebodythatyouwould
liketotalkto?DoyouexpecttohavehearingsonthisandbringinpeopleformerpeoplefromtheObama
administration?
CHAFFETZ:Well,Ithinkthefairwaytodoit,tomakesurethatyougettothetruthinanyimpartialwayistomakesure
thattheinspectorgeneralisleadingoutonit.Theyhavetools.Theyhaveaccess.Itdoestogiveyouanidea,allof
federalgovernment,thereare72inspector'sgeneral.Buttheyhave13,000employees.TheDepartmentofJusticealone,
theyhaveroughly500peopleworkingattheDepartmentJusticeastheinspectorgeneraltogetinthereandgofindthe
truth.
MACCALLUM:Allright.Soyouwantthemtogofirst,andthenIwouldassumeyouwilllikelyfollowuplater.
CHAFFETZ:Yes,we'regoingtofollowupyes.
MACCALLUM:ChairmanChaffetz,thankyouverymuch.Goodtohaveyouheretonight.
CHAFFETZ:Thanks,Martha.Thankyou.
MACCALLUM:Sojoiningusnowwithmore,MarcThiessen,residentfellowattheAmericanEnterpriseInstituteandFox
Newscontributor.AustanGoolsbee,formerchiefeconomistunderPresidentObama.AndMaraLiasson,NPRpolitical
correspondentandFoxNewscontributor.
Welcometoallofyou.Goodtohaveyouheretonight.
(CROSSTALK)
Mara,letmestartwithyou.What'syourreactiontotheinspectorgeneralcallfromChairmanChaffetz?
MARALIASSON,NPRNATIONALPOLITICALCORRESPONDENT:Well,Ithinkit's,youknow,itisinteresting.Congress
isnowgoingtoinvestigatethis.Ijustwanttosay,thisisthefirsttimeonthisshowforme,I'mgladtobeherewithtwo
peopleIreallyrespectalotAustanandMarc.
MACCALLUM:Idon'tknowwhich.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
LIASSON:CongressCongressislookingintothis.Andtosomeextent,Republicansareinvestigatingthiseventhough
theydidn'treallywanttobeinvestigatingtheirownpresident.
Chaffetzislookingintooneaspectofit.TherearealotofinvestigationsnowthatarehappeningonCapitolHill.Ithinkit's
agoodthing.Ithinktherearesomanyquestionsaboutthiswholestorythatdon'tmakesense.
NPRhasfoundoutthatsofar,nobodyhasuncoveredevidenceofcriminalwrongdoing,so,thequestioniswhywould
FlynnlietoMikePenceormisleadhimaboutwhathesaid?Itdoesn'treallymakealotofsense.SoasfarasI'm
concerned,morelightthatcanbeshedonthisthebetter.
MACCALLUM:SoMarcThiessen,youknow,obviously,thesamemeasurethatwasappliedtoHillaryClintonneedstobe
appliedtothiscase,no?
MARCTHIESSEN,FOXNEWSCONTRIBUTOR:Oh,absolutely.But,Imean,let'spullbackandlookatthebigger
pictureherebesidesjusttheFlynnstory.Imean,inthelast25days,thinkabouttheleaksthatwe'vehadcomingoutof
theWhiteHouseandtheexecutivebranchinthelast25days.
We'vehadclassifiedtranscriptsofthreeconversationswiththreedifferentworldleaderstheprimeministerofAustralia,
presidentofMexico,presidentofRussia,allleaked.
We'vehadmorethanahalfdozendraftexecutiveorders,includingsomeofthemdealingwithhighlyclassifiedthingslike
terroristinterrogationsleakedtothepress.We'velearnedthatGeneralMattiswasconsideringinterdictinganIranianship.
AndnowwelearnedtodaythattheyareconsideringsendingtroopstoSyria.Allclassifiedinformationleakedtothepress.
We'vehadthefactthatoneofGeneralFlynn'sdeputieswasdeniedofsecurityclearance.Classifiedinformationleakedto
thepress.Soyou'vegotinadditiontotheFlynninformation,you'vegot
MACCALLUM:Absolutely.
THIESSEN:It'saseaofleaks,ofclassifiedinformationgoingtothepress.Andwhenpeoplesayweareworriedabout
DonaldTrumpcreatinganauthoritarianstate,I'mworriedabouttheauthoritarianimplicationofanational,membersofthe
nationalsecurityapparatusgoingafterpeopletheydon'tlike,whosepoliciestheypostbyleakingclassifiedinformationto
thepress.Thatputsthemonthepathoftotalitarianism.
MACCALLUM:Yes.That'sasuggestion,Austanthattheyaresayingyouknow,somesortofshadowyentityoutthere
thatistryingtorevealthesethings,phonecallsbetweenthepresidentandforeignleaders.Ifanymemberoftheformer
Obamaadministrationisinvolvedinsuchathing,doyouwantthosefeetheldtothefire?
AUSTANGOOLSBEE,ECONOMICADVISORTOHILLARYCLINTON:OK,let'stakeastepbackandjustrecognizethe
ironyandabsurdityofalotofthesecharges.
First,theirony.ForDonaldTrumptobesayingthathisbiggestobjectionisovertheillegalleaks,whenthroughoutthe
campaign,heistheguythataskedRussiatohackintoemailsandreleasethemforHillaryClintonandwantedtodo
nothingmorethantodiscusswhatwasinalloftheWikiLeaksdocuments.That'squiteironic.
THIESSEN:Whichwasnotclassified.
GOOLSBEE:Second,thefactthatyouareseeingleaksineveryaspectoftheWhiteHouse,fromnationalsecurityto
economicpolicytopersonnel,suggestsverystronglyit'snotonepersonwhoisdoingtheleaking.Thereischaostaking
place.
MACCALLUM:Whichispreciselythere'sthiscallforinspectorgeneraltolookatbothsidesoftheequation.Weneedto
knowwhatinformationthat'sgoingbackandforthfromany,oneoftheTrumpcamptoRussiaoranyoneintheformer
Obamacamptothepublic.Bothsides.
(CROSSTALK)
GOOLSBEE:AndIapplaudCongressmanChaffetzforinvestigatingwhytheyarehavingclassifiedbriefingsinthedining
hallatMarALago.
MACCALLUM:Ifthathappened.
GOOLSBEE:Withpeopletakingphotographsontheirphonesofit.Sotheyshouldinvestigateallofthose.ButDonald
Trumphasamoreseriousissue,whichiswhenthesmokealarmsaregoingoffandthereissmokecomingoutofthe
doors,hehasnotbeeninWashingtoncrisesbefore.
Heistakingaprivatesectorapproachtocrisismanagement,whichis,circlethewagons,releasenothing,don'tgivethem
anyinformation.Andtheproblemwiththatisifyoudon'treleaseeverythingyouhaverightnowtaxreturns,whotalkedto
whointhecampaignwithRussianintelligenceofficials,givingexplanations,ifyoudon'tdothat,it'sjustgoingtobedrip,
drip,justlikeHillary'semails.
(CROSSTALK)
MACCALLUM:Right.Andthesestoriesarenottheyarenever,evergoingtostopunlessthereissomekindofclarity
onbothsidesofthis.
Mara,thankyousomuch.Austan,thankyou.MarcThiessen,greattoseeyouall.Seeyousoon.
So,comingup,themediacomingtoextremelengthstocompareGeneralFlynn'sousterwithsomeofthiscountry's
darkestmomentsinhistory.Isthatfair?We'regoingtoshowyousomeofthereactionswhenBenShapiroandRichard
Fowlerjoinusinourmediaconflictsegment.
Plusthis,newdetailstonightaboutwhatleadimmigrationofficialstoarrestthisman,asocalleddreamerwhowasallowed
tostayintheUnitedStatesunderPresidentObama'sDACAprogram.Exclusivenewdetailsonhismorecompletestory,
straightahead.
AndPresidentTrumpandIsraeliPrimeMinisterBenjaminNetanyahusignaledarenewedrelationshipbetweenthetwo
countriesaftereightyearsoftensesituationsattheWhiteHouse.We'llcompareandcontrastandshowyousome
interestingmomentsfromtheirnewsconferencewhenwecomeback.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
TRUMP:Yourperseveranceinthefaceofhostility,youropendemocracyinthefaceofviolence,andyoursuccessinthe
faceoftalloddsistrulyinspirational.
(ENDVIDEOCLIP)
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MACCALLUM:NewcontroversytonightsurroundingsomeofthedramaticmediadeclarationsinthewakeoftheGeneral
Flynnouster.
AcolumninTheNewYorkTimesputitonparwithsomeofthemostdevastatingattacksinournation.Readinginpart,
quote,"WewereattackedonDecember7th,1941.WewereattackedonSeptember11th,2001.Andwewereattackedon
November8th,2016."
DanRatheraddedthis."Watergateisthebiggestpoliticalscandalofmylifetimeuntilmaybenow."
AndfinallythisfromChuckTodd.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
CHUCKTODD,MEETTHEPRESS:Oneofwhatisarguablythebiggestpresidentialscandalinvolvingaforeign
governmentsinceIranContra.Takeabreath,hyperboleaside,folks,hunkerdown'causethisisaclassfivepolitical
hurricanethat'shittingWashington.
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MACCALLUM:Aclassfivepoliticalhurricane.
BenShapiro,editorinchiefofTheDailyWire.ComandRichardFowler,nationallysyndicatedradiohostandFoxNews
contributor.
Gentlemen,Ihopeyouarehunkereddownbecausethisisbig,big,big.
Ben,whatdoyoumakeofallofthat?
BENSHAPIRO,EDITORINCHIEF,THEDAILYWIRE.COM:Imean,everybodysoundslikeausedcarsalesmantryingto
hawkanOldChevy.Wow.Thelevelofoutrageoversomethingthatwedon'tknowwhathappenedyet.
Imean,I'mstillconfusedastowhatFlynndidthatwassupposedtobetheworstthingthateverhappenedsincethe
Biblicalplagues.AndbetweenThomasFriedman,whoapparentlyhasthebrainpowerofanoverusedhairdryersandDan
Ratherthegodfatherofmodernmediafakenews,talkingabouthowthisisthegreatestcrisesthatwehaveeverseenin
modernpoliticalhistory.Again,whathappened?
It'sverysimple.Shouldweknowwhathappenedbeforewestarttofreakoutandloseourminds?
MACCALLUM:Yes.Imean,it'sanexcellentquestion,Richard.WhenyoudigintoTheNewYorkTimespiecetoday,
which,youknow,startedoffdeclaringthattherehadbeensomuchcontactbetweentheTrumpcampaignandRussiathat
itwasjust,youknow,sortofit'sdramaticinthenatureofitthattheyjusthadtodiganddig.Andthentheysaidbutwe
duganddugandsofarwehaven'tfoundanythingatallintermsofanefariousconnection.Theymay,butwedon'tknow
thatyet.
RICHARDFOWLER,FOXNEWSCONTRIBUTOR:Imean,Martha,youareright.Wedon'tknow.Wedon'tknowthat
thereisacrisis.IthinkthemediaisbeingalittleroughontheTrumpster.Buthere'swhy.Ithinkthereasonwhythe
mediaisbeingsoroughontheTrumpster,it'severythingtodowiththefactthatthey'vecircledthewagon,thatthey
haven'treleasedanyinformation.
AlittlebitofadvicefortheDonald,ifheiswatchingtonight,right,thefirstthingyoudoisyoureleasethesetranscriptsto
theintelligencecommittee.Theywillgetitclassified.Getitoverwithsoyoucouldmoveon.
He'sgoingtobepoliticalcapital
MACCALLUM:IrememberwhenthatargumentwasusedforHillaryClinton.
FOWLER:Yes.Andit'stherightargument.
MACCALLUM:Sheneverdidthat.
FOWLER:Justgetitalloutthere,right?Becauseremember,he'sgoingtoneedpoliticalcapitaltorolloutinfrastructure
package,youneedpoliticalcapitaltorollouthistaxreforms.Andrightnow,90percentofRepublicanslikehim.Butifthis
drip,drip,dripcontinues,Martha,itcouldcreatedoomfortheTrumpadministrationjust30daysin27daysin.
MACCALLUM:Putuptheseheadlinesthatwehave,becausethisstoryreallybrokeamonthago.Itwasoutthere.You
know,interceptedRussiancommunication,partofinquiryintoTrumpassociates.Andthatstorybackthen,aWashington
Poststorybackthenaswellsaidthattheydidn'tfindanythingnefarious.Theydidn'tfindanyconnectionbetweenthese
communicationsandtheelection.
Theyjustfoundthattherewasphonecallandtherewascontactthattheywereconcernedabout.Youknow,SallyYates
broughtthattotheattentionoftheWhiteHouse,aswell.
AndthenIwanttoremindeveryoneofthismomentwithPresidentObamaawhileback.Watchthis.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
BARACKOBAMA,FORMERPRESIDENTOFTHEUNITEDSTATES:Thisismylastelection.Andaftermyelection,I
havemoreflexibility.Yes?
UNIDENTIFIEDMALE:IwilltransferthisinformationtoVladimir.
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MACCALLUM:Iunderstand.Soaftertheelection,wemightbeabletotalkaboutthatissuethatisbotheringyou.Isthat
essentiallywhatwethinkGeneralFlynnmayhavesaidthen?
SHAPIRO:Ithinkthat'sbasicallytheidea.TheonlydifferencebeingthatPresidentObamawasinthemiddleofan
electioncycleandFlynnapparentlysaidalotofthesethingsaftertheelectioncyclewasover.Itwaslikethreeweeks
beforehewasappointedNSA.
Richard,youaregivingalotofadvicetoDonaldTrump,andIagreewithalotoftheadvicethatyouaresuggestingforthe
Trumpadministration.Butsomeadviceforthemedia.Guys,ifyouwantpeopletotakeyouseriously,youhavetostop
settingyourhaironfireandrunningintoplateglasswindowsbeforeyouevenknowwhatthehellisgoingon.
Imean,youarejumpingoneveryrakeina300mileradiusbeforeyouevenletallthefactsout.Wecan'ttakeyou
seriouslyunlessyoulayoutaseriesoffactsthatwecanbelieveinsteadofblowingupheadlinetheheadlineofTheNew
YorkTimespiececouldeasilyhavebeen"InvestigationshowsnocausallinksbetweenTrumpcampaignandRussians."
(CROSSTALK)
MACCALLUM:Andthetruthisthisinvestigationisit'saninvestigationthatisongoing.Youknow,whenyoustepona
rake,itcanhityouinthehead.
SHAPIRO:Yes.
MACCALLUM:Soonceyou'velaiddownthesemarkers,thatthisisWatergate,thisisPearlHarbor,this9/11,youbetter
becarefulwhatyouputoutthere.
FOWLER:Ithinkithaseverythingtodowith,Martha,thefactthatDonaldTrumphassortoftakehemadethemedia
enemy,right.Yougooutthereinyourpressconferenceandsay,well,yes,MikeFlynndidn'tresign,whichreallydid
happened.(INAUDIBLE),whatreallyhappenedandsayIblamethisallonfakenews.
Whatyoubegintodoisyouputthemedia'sbestreactionisimplicit.Here'sallthenews,here'sallthefactsastheyare
beingleakedout.AndIthinkDonaldshouldbemoreconcernedaboutleakersintheWhiteHouseandthroughoutthe
governmentthanhecanbeconcernaboutthemediaandquote,unquote"fakenews."
MACCALLUM:Allright.Goodpointsallaround.Thankyouverymuch,gentleman.Goodtoseeyoutonight.
FOWLER:Goodtoseeyou,Martha.
MACCALLUM:So,alsotonight,thereisnewfalloutfromthebreakingnewsthatPresidentTrump'slaborpickhasbowed
out.
Plus,abigstoryoutofSeattle,whereasocalleddreamerisunderarrest.Itisgettingatonofattentionacrossthecountry
thatadreamerhasbeentakingdownonthisimmigrationsituation.Hislawyerssayheisinnocent.Butwewantyouto
knowthefactsthatwearelearningnowinthiscase.
DavidWohlandFranciscoHernandezupnextonthis.
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UNIDENTIFIEDMALE:ContrarytowhatthisTrumpadministrationissaying,lotsoffolkswhodon'thaverecordsare
beingpickedup.Andwearesayingthatit'stearingfamiliesapart.
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MACCALLUM:Tonight,first,underthenewimmigrationpolicyofPresidentTrump,thearrestofasocalleddreamer.
DanielRamirezwasapprehendedFridaybyImmigrationandCustomsEnforcementagents.Despitebeingapproved
twiceunderPresidentObama'sDACAprogram,ICEofficialsclaimedthatheisaselfadmittedgangmember,representing
arisktothesafetyofthepublic.HisattorneysargueRamirezisbeingdetainedwithoutjustification,presentingnothreat
tothelargerpublic.Oneofthoseattorneys,EthanDettmer,isheretogoontherecordonthisforustonightandtellhis
sideofthestorybeforeattorneysDavidWohlandFranciscoHernandezdebate.
First,let'sgotoTraceGallagher,WestCoastnewsroom,andgetthebackgroundonallofthis.
Trace?
TRACEGALLAGHER,FOXNEWSCORRESPONDENT:Hi,Martha.
23yearoldDanielRamirezwasdetainedwhenimmigrationagentsshoweduptoarresthisfatherforadeportation
violation.ImmigrationandCustomsEnforcementorICEsaysRamirezwasarrestedbecausehe'sanadmittedgang
memberandwhenwepressthemonhowtheyknew,hewasinagang,theysaid,quotinghere,"Therewasadditional
evidenceincludingphotosandsocialmediacontentthatillustratehisgangaffiliationbeyondhisselfadmissionof
belongingtoone."
Ramirez'slawyerstelladifferentstory,saying,quote,"HewasrepeatedlypressuredbyImmigrationandCustoms
Enforcementtofalselyadmitgangaffiliation."
UndertheObamaadministration,guidanceforDACA,orDeferredActionforChildhoodArrivals,beinginagangdidnot
qualifyfordeportation.Youhadtocommitafelonyinconnectionwithagang.Although,evenunderPresidentObama,ICE
agentswereallowedtousediscretion.
TheWhiteHousehasyettocommentonthiscase.Butlastmonth,PresidentTrumptold"ABCNews"thathis
administrationwasdevisingapolicyonhowtodealwithpeoplecoveredbyDACA.
Thepresidentwentontosaytheyshouldn'tworrybecausehehasabigheart.DACAprotectsabout750,000socalled
dreamersfromdeportation.ThelawsuitonbehalfofDanielRamirezwasfiledbyHarvardlawprofessorLaurenceTribe
andotherprominentattorneywhoclaimedthe23yearold'sconstitutionalrightshadbeenviolatedandthathisarrests
representsasignificantbroadeningofimmigrationenforcementundertheTrumpadministration.
TheDepartmentofJusticeisreviewingthematter.AhearingisscheduledforthisFriday.
Martha?
MACCALLUM:Thankyou,Trace.
Sohereona"FoxNews"exclusive,EthanDettmer,attorneyforthedreamerinICEcustodyDanielRamirez.
GoodtohaveyouheretonightMr.Dettmer.Thankyouforbeinghere.
ETHANDETTMER,ATTORNEYFORDANIELRAMIREZ:Thankyou.Thankyouverymuchforhavingme.Iappreciate
it.
MACCALLUM:Soyourunderstanding,accordingtoyoujustsawthestatementthatcameinfromICE.Andtheysay
thatheadmittedbeingagangmember,whileincustody.Andthenalsowhentheylookedintohissocialmediaandhis
computer,itwasclearthathehadaconnectioninanumberofwaystoacriminalgang.
DETTMER:Well,IwillsayacoupleofthingsaboutDaniel.First,asIthinkyouknowandastheintroductionsaid,inorder
togetDACAstatus,youhavetogivealotofinformation,alotofpersonalinformationtothegovernment.Youhavetogive
yourfingerprintstothegovernment.AndDHSrunsabackgroundcheck.AndDanielRamirezwentthroughthattwice.
Andbothtimes,thegovernmentfound,DHSfoundafterallthatworkthathewasnotathreattothepublicsafety.Thathe
wasnotathreattonationalsecurity.Inthemostrecentsuchreview,itwasjustlessthanayearagoandnothinghas
changedsincethen.
Sothey'velookedatthistwicealready.ThesecondthingIwillsayiswetalkedtothegovernmentjustyesterdayandask
themwhatevidencetheyhadofhisgangmembership.Andthegovernmenttoldus,theydidn'tknowwhatinformation
theyhadsoallofthisseemstobecomingoutnow.Wedolookforwardtoseeingwhattheytellustomorrowmorning.We
aresupposedtogetanexplanationfromthemaswhytheyarekeepinghim.Wewillrespondtoitassoonasweseewhat
theyhavetosay.
MARTHAMACCALLUM,THEFIRST100DAYSHOST:Somestatementwithsomebackgroundfromfederalofficialsin
thedepartmentsayingthathehadadmitted.Asyoupointout,Imean,youknowitneedstobedeterminedwhattheactual
caseis.Itisinteresting,whentheywentintothehouse,theytookthefather,whotheywereoriginallytherefore,whowasa
felonwhowasbeendeportedandreturned,whichisclearlyunderthecategoryofthisexecutiveorder.Nowtheexecutive
ordersaystheysaytheywanttoremoverepeatcriminals,peoplewhohavecomebackintothecountry,deportedand
comebackin,andalsomembersofgangs.Thatisthegroupthatisincludedinthisorder.Theydidn'ttakehisbrother.It
ispossiblethattheydidn'ttakehisbrother,becausetheydidn'tfindthesameinformationorhedidn'tadmittobeingina
gang,perhaps,yourclientdid.
DETTMER:Well,Iwilltellyouthis.Firstofall,fromallthereportswehavehad,noneofthosequestionswereaskedof
thetimeofthearrest.Whatweunderstandhappenedatthetimeofthearrest,wasDanielandhisbrotherwereatthis
apartment,theyjusthappentobethere,andtherewasnowarrantforeitherofthem.Danielsaidthathehadawork
authorizationcard,whichisthecardyougetforhavingDACAstatus.
Wecan'texplain.Wedon'tknowwhyitisthattheICEagentstookDanielandnothisbrother,becausereally,theywerein
thesamecircumstance.TheyarebothMexicanAmericanyoungman,theybothhadDACAstatus.Neitheroneofthem
wasthesubjectofthisarrestwarrant.AndthatkindofarbitrarytreatmentisexactlywhattheDACApromisewasmeantto
avoid.Iwillsayonemorethingaboutthissupposedadmissiontogangmembership.DanielRamirezdeniesthat
completelyandinfact,whathehasbeenveryclearaboutwasafterhewastakentotheprocessingstation,theICEagents
pressuredhimtoadmittothat.Buthewouldn'tdoitbecauseitisnottrue.
MACCALLUM:Ok.Mr.Dettmer,thankyouverymuchforbeingheretonightandtellingyourclientssideofthestorytous.
Wehopethissituationisresolvedquicklyineitherway.Sojoiningmerightnow,withtheirtakeonthisDavidWohl,
attorneyandTrumpSupporterandFranciscoHernandezanimmigrationattorney,welcome,goodtohavebothofyou
here.
DAVIDWOHL,TRUMPSUPPORTER:HiMartha.
FRANCISCOHERNANDEZ,IMMIGRATIONATTORNEY:Thankyouforhavingme.
MACCALLUM:DavidWohl,youareaTrumpsupporter.Iunderstandthemotivationsoftheadministration.Ifthisperson
isnotamemberofthisgangandtheyarewrong,Iwouldimaginehe'dbereleasedquickly.
WOHL:Yesandtheyhavegottohavemorethanasimpleadmission,Martha.Ihaveworkedthesecasesformorethana
quartercentury.Generally,thelargelawenforcement'sagencies,likeICEtheyhavelargegangdatabases,theyhave
expertsthatworkinthis,theyhavelargedatabasesthatcontainwhetherthisgangmemberhasattacked,whetherhehas
gangaffiliations,whetherheisajuvenileconvictionsoradultconviction.Thismandoesn'thaveanyatallconvictionsbut
mayhavejuvenileconvictions.Wearen'tsure.Oneofthemajorwaystheycatchthemisthesocialmedia,especially
MySpace.IremembergangsweresooftennailedbypostingthingsonMySpace,communicatingwithothergang
members.Theymaynothaveknownthiswhentheyfirstarrestedthem.Theywereitmayhaveresearcheditafterthe
fact.Theygottohavesomethingmorethanasimpleadmission,becausesometimes,thesekidsdothisbywayof
braggadocio.Orjusttryingtoassociatesthemselvesorbecool.Myguessistheyhavealotmore.Iftheydo,heisnot
goingtobesavedbyDACA.Hewillbedeported.
MACCALLUM:Yes,Imeantherearetwoelementstothisstoryinmymind.Thereistheindividual,whoeveryonewants
tobetreatedfairly.Iknowweallagreeonthat.Then,thelargerpicture,wherethereisalmost,Ithink,andanticipation,
maybehopewastoostrongaword,thatpeoplewillbebroughtinwhodon'tdeservetobebroughtin.Andthatwillreflect
poorlyandfulfillthewishesofpeoplewhoareverymuchagainstthepresident.Mr.Hernandez,whatdoyouthink?
HERNANDEZ:No.Ithasnothingtodowithit.Ithaseverythingtodowiththeconstitution.Itiscalledthedueprocess
clauseoftheconstitution.WhatisamazingisthattheextremerightsargueforthelastfourorfiveyearsthatPresident
Obamadidnothavethelegalauthoritytoexecutethatexecutiveorder.Ifhedidnothavetheauthoritytoexecutethe
executiveorder,then,DACAisinvalid.Inordertogivethisyoungman,whetherheisguiltyornot,dueprocess,itmeans
theexecutiveorderwasvalid.Thatistheconstitution.
MACCALLUM:Nooneistalkingabouthavinghimandnothavingdueprocess.
WOHL:Thatisdueprocess.Heisgettingacourthearinginfrontofafederaljudgetodeterminewhetherornotheisa
documentedgangmember.Ifheisnot,then,thejudgewillprobablyreleasehim.Iseenoreasonwhynot.Butifheis
determinedtobeadocumentedgangmember,then,thefactthatheisadreamerwillnotsavehim.Thejudgewillfindthe
publicsafetypriorityandhewillbegone.
HERNANDEZ:Butthefactsdon'tmatter.JustthefactthatheisgettingtoprocessitshowsyouthatPresidentObama
hastheexecutiveconstitutionalauthoritytoexecutetheactionforlatearrivals.
MACCALLUM:Thatwholethingwasaboutprosecutorialdestructiongiventoahugenumberofpeopleatonce.Thatisa
completelydifferentsituation.Thequestionofwhetherornotthisperson,whohasbeenbroughtin,we'llgetdueprocess,
whichheappearstobegettingatthispoint,ifwefindoutthatisnotthecase,wewillmakeabsolutelysurethatwefollow
uponthat,butintermsofthat
HERNANDEZ:PresidentObamahadtheauthority.
WOHL:DonaldTrumpdoesnotwantinnocentpeoplebeingdeportedtofitundertheDACA.Hehasmadethatclear.
HERNANDEZ:Ihavetoagreewiththat.
MACCALLUM:Allright.Wewillleaveitthere.Thankyouverymuch,Mr.Wohl,Mr.Hernandez.
WOHL:ThankyouMartha.
HERNANDEZ:ThankyouMr.Wohl.
MACCALLUM:Alsotonight,theTrumpadministrationdeliversinanothercampaignpromise,asourdefensesecretary
travelsoverseasanddeliversaverybluntmessage.FormerWhiteHousePressSecretaryDanaPerinojoinsmeonwhy
thatwaslongoverdueandwhatthereactionisinEurope.Plus,PresidentTrumpopeningafreshchapterinU.S.Israeli
relationsaftereightyearsofsomeprettytensetimeswiththegentlemanontheleftvisitedtheWhiteHouse.Whenwe
comeback,StateAttorneyandfriendofJaredKushner,BenBrafmanhere'stotelluswhatitmeansgoingforward.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
BENJAMINNETANYAHU,ISRAELIPRIMEMINISTER:Israelstandswithyou.AndIstand.Mr.President,androlling
backmilitantIslam,wecanseeahistoricopportunity.
(ENDVIDEOCLIP)
(COMMERCIALBREAK)
MACCALLUM:PresidentTrumppostingIsraeliPrimeMinisterBenjaminNetanyahuattheWhiteHousetoday.Thereisa
picturewiththeirwives,basicallysignalingastrongrelationshipmovingforward.Thatisinstarkcontrasttothechilly
scenesthatweusedtosee.Thereisahandshake.Generally,therewassomecoldbodylanguagethatwentonbetween
PresidentObamaandBenjaminNetanyahuinthepast,thejudgereporthighlightingthedramaticshiftintonewiththis
headline."BibiSmilesAgainAtTheWhiteHouse."Soformore,let'sgotoWhiteHouseCorrespondentJohnRoberts,hi,
John.
JOHNROBERTS,CHIEFWHITEHOUSECORRESPONDENT:Martha,goodeveningtoyou.Reallyinterestingtowatch
thebodylanguagebetweenthetwo,itlikeoldfriendscomingtogetherasopposedtotheadversarialrelationshipthatthere
appearedtobeduringtheObamaadministrationwithIsrael,butthebigheadlineouttodaywasthatPresidentTrump
appearedtodropdecadesofU.S.policydroppingtheinsistenceofatwostatesolutiontofindapeacedealintheMiddle
East.Thepresidentdidsaythathewasgoingtodoeverythingpossiblycouldtotrytobringthetwosidestogether.The
WhiteHousepositionisthatthepresidentdoesn'tthinkheshouldimposetheconditionsforapeacedealuponIsraeland
thePalestinians.Theyreallyneedtofindthepathtopeacethemselves.Hedidsaythough,thathewouldtrytothebest
ofhisabilitytofacilitatesomesortofpeace.Listenhere.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
TRUMP:IamlookingatthetwostateandonestateandIliketheone,thatthatbothpartieslike.I'mveryhappywiththe
onethatbothpartieslike.Icanlivewitheitherone.Ithoughtforawhilethetwostatelooklikeitmaybetheeasierofthe
two.Buthonestly,ifBibiandifthePalestinians,ifIsraelandthePalestiniansarehappy,Iamhappywiththeonetheylike
thebest.
(ENDVIDEOCLIP)
ROBERTS:Youcantelltherelationshipbetweenthetwomenthatisgoingtobefardifferentthanthepasteightyears
havebeen.Infact,PrimeMinisterBenjaminNetanyahutoldtheIsraelipressafterhismeetings,"Ihavemetmany
presidents.IcansaythatweneverhadabetterfriendforIsraelthanTrump."Buttherewasanextraordinarymoment
whenthepresidentlaydownamarkertohisoldfriend.Watchhere.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
TRUMP:Asfarassettlements,Iwouldliketoseeyouholdbackonsettlementsforalittlebit.We'llworksomethingout.
NETANYAHU:Doesn'tsoundtoooptimistic.
TRUMP:Goodnegotiator.
NETANYAHU:Thatistheartofthedeal.
(ENDVIDEOCLIP)
ROBERTS:AndjustaquickheadlinehereMartha,towrapupourproducershere,Gomezconfirmingjustaminuteago,
fourcandidatestopotentiallyreplaceAndrewPuzderasanomineeforLaborSecretary,CatherineTempleton,Joseph
Guzman,PeterCourson,andAlexanderAcosta.ThetwoHispanicsandawomanonthatlist,notable,butsofarthereare
noHispanicsinthispresident'scabinet,whichhegotsomecriticismforacoupleofweeksago.Sowewillseewherethis
goes,butthosearethefournamesasweunderstanditnow,Martha.
MACCALLUM:John,thankyousomuch.Herenowwithmore,BenBrafman,aprominenttrialattorneyandIsrael
advocate.Goodtohaveyouheretonight,Ben.
BENBRAFMAN,ISRAELADVOCATETRIALATTORNEY:Thankyou.
MACCALLUM:WhatdidyouthinkofthoseexchangesattheWhiteHousetoday?
BRAFMAN:IthinkforthoseofuswhosupportIsraelandheradvocatesonbehalfofIsrael,itislikeabreathoffreshair
aftereightyearsofafrostyrelationship.Thiswasencouraging.IthinkbothPresidentTrumpandPrimeMinister
Netanyahuacquittedthemselvesverywelltoday.
MACCALLUM:Whatdidyouthinkofthesortofdroppingofthetwostatesolutionidea,IsraeliStateandthePalestinian
Stateandperhapsopeningthedoortoaonestatesolution?Whatwouldthatlooklike?
BRAFMAN:IthinkwhatPresidentTrumpsaidisthathewouldallowthepartiestoagreehowthisshouldberesolved,
ratherthanimposetheUnitedStateswilloftheparties,whichiswhatPresidentObamatriedtodounsuccessfullyformany
years.Whetheritisaoneortwostatesolutionortwostatesolutionstheimpedimenttopeacehasalwaysbeenthefactof
thePalestiniansrefusedtoacceptIsrael'srighttoexistasaJewishstate.Fordecades,theviolenceandterroristactsby
thePalestinianshavecreatedahostileenvironmentthathasmadeitimpossibleforIsraeltoofferpeace.
MACCALLUM:Wesawintheroom,JaredKushner,thesoninlawtoPresidentTrump,marriedtoIvankatrunk,andthe
frontrow.HehasbeenpointedoutassomeonethatPresidentTrump,hesaidhimself,hesaid,youknow,mysoninlaw
willsolvetheMiddleEastpeaceproblems.Ishequalifiedtodothat?
BRAFMAN:Ithinkheisveryqualified.IknowJaredwell.Heisabrilliantyoungman,heissoftspokenbutbrilliant.
Sometimesthatistwoverygoodqualitieswhenyouwanttomakepeace,tobesoftspokenbutsmart.Healsohasstrong
tiestoIsrael.Heunderstandstheconditionsontheground.Ithinkheisgoingtobeverycreative,becauseheisavery
creativeyoungman.Idon'tthinkagehasanythingtodowiththisissue.Olderpeoplehavetriedforthepast50yearsto
resolvethisandhavefailedmiserably.IthinkYoungbloodwhohaverespectedtheissuesontheground,isagooditis
likebreathoffreshair.
MACCALLUM:Yes.Itisagreatpoint.Thankyou,Ben,goodtoseeyoutonight.
BRAFMAN:Goodtoseeyou,thankyou.
MACCALLUM:Sotonight,thedefensesecretarydeliveredaverysternmessagetoouralliesabouttheirNATO
commitmentswhenhewasinBrussels.GeneralMattistellsNATOtheydidtopaytheirfairshareorbepreparedtoseeus
takeastepback.Howdoesthatwork?DanaPerinoonwhatitallmeanswhenwecomeback.
(COMMERCIALBREAK)
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
TRUMP:IthinkNATOisobsolete.DadowasdoneatatimeyouhadtheSovietUnion,I'mnotsayingRussiaisnota
threat,butwehaveotherthreats.Wehavethethreatofterrorism.AndNATOdoesn'tdiscussterrorism.NATOisnot
meantforterrorism.NATOdoesn'thavetherightcountriesandit'sforterrorism."
(ENDVIDEOCLIP)
MACCALLUM:ThatwascandidateDonaldTrumpspeakingout,astarkpositionwithregardtoNATO.Nowlessthanone
yearlater,hisDefenseSecretaryGeneralJamesMattisfacetofaceinBrusselswiththeEuropeanallies,theforceful
ultimatumonmilitaryobligationsofallthosecountries.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
JAMESMATTIS,DEFENSESECRETARYGENERAL:Itisafairdemandthatallwhobenefitfromthebestdefenseinthe
worldcarrytheirproportionateshareofthenecessarycosttodefendfreedom.
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MACCALLUM:ThewarningsurprisinglywellreceivedbyNATOsecretarygeneral.Whoacknowledgedunfairspending
burden.Watchthis.
(BEGINVIDEOCLIP)
JENSSTOLTENBERG,SECRETARYGENERALOFNATO:Conveyingaveryfirmmessagetous.Thatmessageis
abouttheimportanceoffairerburdensharing.ItreflectsapoliticalrealityintheUnitedStates.AndIthinkthatwillbe
appreciatedbytheministers.
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MACCALLUM:Bigcrowdofthenewsconference.IamjoinedherebyDanaPerino,cohostofTheFiveformerWhite
HousePressSecretaryunderGeorgeW.Bush,Danagoodtoseeyoutonight.Thanksforbeinghere.
DANAPERINO,FORMERWHITEHOUSEPRESSSECRETARY:Thankforhavingme.
MACCALLUM:Itjustreallystrikesme,wouldyoulookatbothofthose,whenhesaidNATOwasobsolete,thehairwason
fire.Now,GeneralMattisgoestherewiththatstrongmessage,andtheGermansalsoside,itmakessense,wedidsaywe
weregoingtopaythisamount,weshould.
PERINO:Also,oneoftheexceptionsthatpeopletooktothecommentthatPresidentTrumpasacandidate,theyhadn't
thoughtterrorism.AlloftheNATOcountriesdidsendtroopstofightterrorismespeciallyinAfghanistan,whofought
bravely.However,threethingshappen.OurpoliticschangedhereinAmerica.Thepoliticsofthosecountriesare
changingquitedramaticallyandelectionsarehappening.Andathreathasincreased.Inallofthosecountries,thethreat
ofRadicalIslamicTerrorismhasincreasedandsoastheRussianthreat.TheotherthingisIthinkthemilitariesofallof
thosecountriesverymuchwouldhavelikedmoreresources.Now,becauseofthesepoliticalchangesinthefactthatyou
haveapresidenthereintheUnitedStateswhoissaying,Iamseriousthistime.Theywerelike,ok,fine,wewillmeetour
obligations.Ithinkitwasawinwinforeverybody.
MACCALLUM:TheymayberelievedthatIhavesomebodygivingthemthebackingtheyneedtobulkuptheirmilitary,
especiallywhentheyseeRussiabarkingattheirdoor.
PERINO:Absolutely.
MACCALLUM:Also,ICEiscreatingproblems.Itisinteresting.Thereisthisbattleoverhardwareandsoftware,cyber,
drones,thingsthatareneededmorenecessarilyforthefightagainstIslamicterrorism.AndwhenyouhavePutinadding
tanks,addingplanes,theygottodothat,tooright.
PERINO:Notonlythat,thecybersecuritythreatfromRussia,asweknowverywell.Yestherearemultiplethreatsall
acrosstheboard.AndIthinkNATOisverymuchnotobsolete.IthinkDonaldTrumpmaybehadsaidthatinawaythat
pushedthem.IthinktherealstarofthedayintermsofthisstoryisGeneralMattis.Heisforceful.Healsounderstands
becausehewasageneralworkingwiththeseothercountriesinAfghanistan,Iraq.Heknowsthemverywell.Heknows
whatisneeded.Andheknowstoaskthemforthingsthattheycando,partoftheproblem,especiallyinGermany,these
rulesofengagementforGermansoldiersweresodifferentfromeverybodyelse.Youcan'taskthemtochangethat.
Couldyouaskthemformoremoney?Absolutely,sowegotwhatwewanted.
MACCALLUM:AllrightbeforeIletyougo,Igot20seconds,bigcommunicationmessagefortheTrumpfolksattheWhite
House,havingbeenthereyourself.
PERINO:Today?
MACCALLUM:Yes.
PERINO:Itisoktosay"Idon'tknow,"becauseifyourtimelineisinfactsomebodyelse'stimeline,youhavetogooverit
andover.Justtapthebrakesandwaitaminute.ThatImakeitundertime?
MACCALLUM:Absolutely.Thanks,Dana.Goodtoseeyouasalways.Sostraightaheadheretonight,PresidentTrump's
pickforlaborsecretary,surprisinglydroppingoutjusthoursago.EdHenryherewithbreakingnewsonthat,whenwe
comeback.
(COMMERCIALBREAK)
MACCALLUM:Breakingtonight,AndrewPuzder,PresidentTrump'spickforlaborsecretaryisnomore.Hehasofficially
withdrawnhisnominationafteralotofbuzzthisafternoon.Breakingnewsonpossiblereplacements,hereisChief
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Exhibit D
2/16/2017 DanielRamirezMedina,"DREAMer"protectedunderObama,detainedinSeattleareaCBSNews
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SEATTLEAmanwhowasbroughttotheU.S.illegallyasachildbutwasprotectedfrom
deportationbytheObamaadministrationhasbeentakenintocustodyintheSeattleareain
whatcouldbethefirstcaseofitskindinthecountry.
DanielRamirezMedina,23,wasdetainedFridaybyU.S.ImmigrationandCustoms
EnforcementagentswhowenttothesuburbanSeattlehome,inTacoma,toarrestthemans
father.ICEspokeswomanRoseRichesonsaidinastatementthatagentsweretheretargetinga
priordeportedfelon.
Medinaissuingthefederalgovernmentoverhisarrestanddetention.
RamirezwasbroughttotheU.S.fromMexicowhenhewas7andhasaworkpermit
underObamasDeferredActionforChildhoodArrivalsprogram.Healsohasajob,ayoungson
andnocriminalrecord,NorthwestImmigrantsRightsProjectLegalDirectorMattAdamssaid.
RamirezisbeingheldinTacoma.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/danielramirezmedinadreamerprotectedunderobamadetainedinseattle/ 1/4
ImmigrationofficialssaidtheytookDanielRamirezMedinaintocustodybasedonhisadmitted
gangaffiliationandrisktopublicsafety,CBSaffiliateKIROreports.
Mr.RamirezaselfadmittedgangmemberwasencounteredataresidenceinDesMoines,
Washington,duringanoperationtargetingapriordeportedfelon,U.S.Immigrationand
CustomsEnforcementspokeswomanRoseRichesonsaidinastatement.
AnICEofficialtoldCBSNewsthatthereiscorroboratingevidencetosupportRamirezisina
gang.
RichesonsaidRamireztoldagentshewasagangmemberandbasedonthosestatementsand
beingarisktopublicsafety,hewastakenintocustody.
ButMarkRosenbaum,oneofRamirezs
lawyers,respondedlaterTuesdaythat
Ramirezunequivocallydeniesbeingina
gangandthatthestatementfrom
Richesonisinaccurate.
Whileincustody,hewasrepeatedly
pressuredbyU.S.Immigrationand
CustomsEnforcementagentstofalsely
admitafiliation,Rosenbaumsaid.
RamirezsonlycourtrecordinWashington
Play VIDEO isaspeedingticketfrom2016inwhicha
PresidentTrumpdefendsarrestsof StatePatroltroopersaidRamirezwent5
immigrants milesoverthespeedlimitinThurston
County,KIROreports.Hepaidthe$150fineandthecasewasdeferred,accordingtocourt
records.
AdamssaidRamirezisthefirstpersonheknowsofwithDACAstatuswhohasbeendetained.
Thisappearstobeacompleteoneoff.Wecertainlyhaventseenthiswithourotherhundreds
ofclientswhohaveDACAstatusaswell.
AnICEofficialtoldCBSNewsthatwhileitisnotcommon,DACArecipientshavepreviously
beenarrestedduringenforcementoperationsinthepast.Thosedetained,bytheircriminal
convictionsoraffiliation,fallintoICEenforcementprioritiesincludingthreatstonational
securityorpublicsafety,theofficialsaid.
AttorneysforRamirezchallengedhisdetentioninfederalcourtinSeattleMonday,arguingthe
arrestviolateshisconstitutionalrightstoliveandworkinthiscountrywithoutthefearofarrest
anddeportationsolongashesatisfiesDACArequirements.
TrustinourgovernmentdependsupontheExecutiveBranchkeepingitsword,Ramirez
attorneyMarkRosenbaum,directorofPublicCounselsOpportunityUnderLawProject,saidin
astatement.Baitandswitchsulliestheintegrityofournationscorevalues.
EmilyLangley,aspokeswomanfortheUSattorneysofficeinSeattle,saidTuesdayafternoonit
wouldbeprematuretocommentonthelawsuit.Ahearinginthecasehasbeenscheduledfor
FridayinfederalcourtinSeattle.
RecentsweepsbyU.S.immigrationagentsacrossmultiplestateshavenettedsomeimmigrants
withnocriminalrecords,adeparturefromenforcementactionsinthelastdecade.Underthe
Obamaadministration,agentsfocusedmorenarrowlyonindividualswhoposedasecurityor
publicsafetythreat.
PresidentTrumpmadeillegalimmigrationacornerstoneofhiscampaign,sayinghewillbuilda
wallalongtheMexicanborderanddeportmillionsofpeople,althoughactualplanshaveyetto
berevealed.Hehassaidhewantstofocusonpeoplewhohavecommittedcrimes.
DuringaninterviewwithTimemagazinelatelastyear,Mr.Trumpexpressedsympathyforthe
morethan740,000peopleintheDACAprogram,whichstartedin2012.
Weregoingtoworksomethingoutthatsgoingtomakepeoplehappyandproud,hetoldthe
magazine.
Mr.Trumpcanwithdrawthepromisedprotectionrightawaythroughanoperationalmemo
becauseObamaimplementeditthroughone,WilliamStock,presidentoftheAmerican
ImmigrationLawyersAssociation,saidpreviously.
AdamssaidhebelievesRamirezwasapprehendedbymistake.
IdontthinkthishastodowithanychangeinpolicyIjustthinkitwasanenforcement
proceduregonewrong,Adamssaid.Hopefultheyregoingtocometotheirsenses.
2017CBSInteractiveInc.AllRightsReserved.Thismaterialmaynotbepublished,broadcast,rewritten,orredistributed.
TheAssociatedPresscontributedtothisreport.
Exhibit E
DHS Statement on Arrest of Alien Gang Member in Washington | Home... https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/02/15/dhs-statement-arrest-admitted-ali...
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Case 2:17-cv-00218-RSM-JPD Document 35-11 Filed 02/16/17 Page 1 of 40

1 The Hon. James P. Donohue

8 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

Gibson, Dunn & Declaration of J. Gabriel

1 Attorneys for Petitioner

10 GIBSON, DUNN & CRUTCHER LLP

1 ELIZABETH HAWKINS (SBN 43187)

12 NORTHWEST IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS PROJECT

Gibson, Dunn & Declaration of J. Gabriel

1 I, Jesse S. Gabriel, declare as follows:

Gibson, Dunn & Declaration of J. Gabriel

5 /s/ Jesse S. Gabriel

Gibson, Dunn & Declaration of J. Gabriel

2/14/17 Reuters U.S. Top News 22:38:54

Reuters US Top News

February 14, 2017

Mexican 'DREAMer' nabbed in immigrant crackdown

Bill Rigby; Seattle

US-USA-TRUMP-IMMIGRATION-ARREST-EXCLUSIVE:Mexican 'DREAMer' nabbed in immigrant crackdown

2017-02-15 15:21:32 GMT+00:00

"We are hoping this detention was a mistake," he added.

Dettmer said Ramirez "unequivocally denies" being in a gang.

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Ramirez was in custody and unavailable for comment.

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Word Count: 910

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