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PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaSunday,17August2008,11:13AM
Dagnyhasbeentellingmesmuglythatit'snowmyturntowriteanarticle.SoIdecidedtowriteoneas
soonaspossibleandpassthebuckbacktoher.Webothknowthatittakesalotofpaintoresearchforan
articleandwritethetextsowebothtrytoavoiditforaslongaspossible.Ontheotherhand,sinceweboth
enjoywritingandliketopublishawellfinishedchapter,webothundertakethetaskeagerlyoncetheballis
inourcourt.Writingthesechaptershavemademerealizehowtrueisthemaxim"ifyouwanttolearn
somethingwell,teachit."IcancitealotoftopicswhichIlearntwhileteachingintheclassoranswering
students'questions.Theseyearsofteachinghavemadesomanytopicsseemprettychildishtomewhich
werenightmarestomebefore.Butknowingatopicwellandteachingitaretwodifferentballgames.Manya
times,IhavefoundmyselfstrugglingintheclasstomakeastudentunderstandsomethingwhichIhave
foundobvioustounderstand!Thefaultisnotonthestudent'spart.Threeorfouryearsago,Iwouldhave
beenstuckonthesamepoint!EverytimeIencounterasituationlikethis,myonlymeasureistostopatthat
point,retracemystepswiththestudentsandslowlyunravelthedifficultyhe'sfacing.Itworksmostofthe
times.Butsometimes,thestudentisinsomuchawewiththetopicthathismindgetsfrozen.Ihaveseen
thishappeningmanyatimes.Topicssuchastime,speedanddistance,PermutationandCombination,
geometryetc.inspiresomuchfearamongthestudentsthatsometimessimpleprinciples,whichtheywouldhaveotherwiseunderstooddo
notstrikethemassimple.Igetincessantqueriessuchas"Sir,timespeeddistancechhodsaktehain?,""Sir,permutationcombinationna
kareintochalega?"frommystudentsallthetime.Andthesadpartis,thatthelevelofCATinthesetopicsisverysimple.Theyaredoable.
Inthepresentchapter,IamtryingtopresentoneofthesedreadedchaptersasIunderstandit.Ihopemystudentsunderstandittoo.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvamsikrishnaSunday,17August2008,12:23PM
Sir,
TatzaGEMOFANARTICLE
thnkz,
VaMsI
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byAmitASunday,17August2008,05:22PM
Nowwhatdoisayotherthan"THANKSALOTTG!!!"
urock ....
Amit
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byAmitKumarSunday,17August2008,06:14PM
VeryVeryusefularticle..
Thanks
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byLeonidasSSunday,17August2008,06:20PM
HiTG,
Afabulousarticle.IthinkthereisamistakeinthesolutionofProb3ofthe4friendsproblem.
Itsays"Thetotalnumberofwaysinwhich4friendscanstaytogetheris
104"Ithinkitshouldbe10000asyoufoundoutearlier.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitKumarSunday,17August2008,09:40PM
HiTG,
Answerto'GoodBoyBadBoy'moviequestion:
Sincethesetwocoupleswanttosittogetherateitherend.Now,we'lltiethemtogether.Hence,totalnumberofstudentswillbe7outofwhich6
studentscansitin6x5x4x3x2x1=720ways.andthecouplecansitateitherends(i.e2ways)andthecouplescansitin2waysamongthemselves
andfinally,ineachcouple,boyandgirlcansitin2ways(BGandGB)(Total=2x2ways).Hence,Numberofwaysallcansitwillbe:
720x2x2x2x2=11520(Answer)
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byManikaTandonSunday,17August2008,10:41PM
heyTG...
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awesomepieceofwritingdude...ratherthanxdagnyforgivinghimapushtowriteit...:D
bothofuallrock..
cheers,
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byAsHwInDrmzSunday,17August2008,11:02PM
hi....Tg....
G8article...thkusomuchforawonderfularticle,actuallyiwasworriedasuwerenotwritingarticlesforcat08students....butnwmsogladand
confidentdatmyallworrieswillvanish.Tgcanuplzwriteanarticleonprobabilitytoo....
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAshwinAMonday,18August2008,07:51AM
TGSir!
SimplyFantabulous!!JustwantedtoknowdouhaveaBookhavingalltopicsofQuant...IhavethebookonNumbertheorywhichinitself,isvery
good.!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDagnyTaggartMonday,18August2008,09:17AM
HeyManika,
TGplayedsmartthistime.Iaskedhimtowriteanarticlethreedaysbackhewrote,editedanduploadeditwithintwodays.Nowtheballisbackin
mycourt.
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byDiwakarBhaskarMonday,18August2008,09:47AM
ThnksalotTG...........
idonthavewordtosayanythingmore...................
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byvamsikrishnaMonday,18August2008,11:13AM
HeyAmit,
PlRecheck
Shudn'tAnsbe720x2x2x2
1..sixstudentscanbearrangedin6!=720
2..The2couplescansitateitheroftheendsin2ways
3..andtheneachcoupleoneithersidecanexchangetheirseats..in2wayssotwocouplescandotatin2X2ways
regards,
VaMsI
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byKrushangShahMonday,18August2008,11:36AM
TG!!!
THANKSALOT
itsawonderfularticle.....
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byamitkumarMonday,18August2008,01:44PM
ThanksTG
AwesomeArticle.......
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bynikhilkhandelwalMonday,18August2008,04:58PM
ThanksalotTG
Doingagreatjob
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byrajdeepchoudhuriMonday,18August2008,05:46PM
HiTG,
Thearticleissimplymindblowing!!!PlzzzzzzzzpostanexerciseonPermutationandCombinationproblems.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bybryancoleTuesday,19August2008,12:59AM
Istheanswertoa+2b+3c.....totalnumberofelementsis36?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaTuesday,19August2008,03:37AM
HiRajdeep,
Abouttheexercise,haveyouseenthearticlecompletely?
TotalGadha
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byrajdeepchoudhuriTuesday,19August2008,04:22PM
Yes .ButifeelitwillbelotmorehelpfulifyoucangiveusanexerciseliketheoneonNumberSystemproblems,Imeanplentymoreproblemsto
solve.Alsowherecanigettheanswerstotheseproblems???
AnywysTGrocks!!!!
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byRiyazIqbalWednesday,20August2008,11:03PM
HiTG,
Excellentarticle,asusual.I'veaquestionaboutthe'countingfunctions'problem.Theno.offunctionsfroma5elementsetto7elementsetshould
belessthan7^5,right?7^5simplyrepresentsthenumberoforderedpairs(x,y)fromfirstsettothesecond.Severalofthemmaycorrespondtoa
singlefunction.eg:(1,1)(2,2),...(5,5)arefivedistinctorderedpairsbutasinglefunctionvizy=x.AmImissingsomething?
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byandsandsThursday,21August2008,07:22AM
ash,hiI'vejuststartedwiththeNumsystembutamfindingtheareavast,enomouslyhugeandthetopicsnotconcentratedfromaparticular
source.FromyourpostIseethatthereissomeconsolidatedresourcefortheNumsystemyoutalkinaboutoristhetheebookbyTGppl.Canyoupost
onthenamehere.ItwouldbesurehelpifIamtofindthebookandthecontentssatisfying.Thanks.....!!!!
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byTotalGadhaThursday,21August2008,01:18PM
HiRiyaz,
Thereare75arrangements,andeveryarrangement,mapping5elementsofset1to7elementsofset2wouldbecountedasasinglefunctiononly.
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byShaliniBThursday,21August2008,02:45PM
HiTG,
IhaveregisteredforyourCopycatexamsbypayingthroughcreditcardbutIamfacingproblemswhiletryingtowritetheexamonline.Ihavemailed
youlongbackaboutthis(tothecopycatemailIDandalsotoadminemailID).ButIhavenotreceivedanyanswerforthat.AndIcouldnotfindany
contactnumbertooonthissitewhereIcouldcallupandreportmyproblem.Pleaserespond.
ContentfrommypreviousmaildatedJuly30th2008toyoubelow:
MyproblemisthatwhenItriedtakingcopycat2thesitewasunresponsiveanddidnotnavigatetothenextpageatall.Itriedtakingtheexambut
whenIstartedwithitandenteredmyoptionsforthefirstpageandclickedontheNextbutton,thesitebecameveryslowanddidnotshowthenext
pageatall.Itriedseveraltimesbutitwasofnouse.Icheckedthebrowsercompatibilitytestanditsaidmysystemisfinefortakingthetestand
myinternetconnectionisgoodandallotherwebsitesareworkingfine.Iammightydisappointed.PleaselookintothisproblemASAP
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bymanoj1123Thursday,21August2008,04:06PM
HiTG,
ThoughIfeelnotoktowritehere,Iamalsofacingthesameproblem,notabletobrowsetonextpage.maybeifthepageremainsopenforsome
timetheconnectiontourserverbreaks.
PleasesendthepdffortheCOPYCATstomymailbeforehand.
SothatIcantakeprintandappearthetest..
Plzfindasolutionforus.
Thanks.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byLeonidasSFriday,22August2008,10:33PM
HiTG,
Thatwasanexcellentarticle
Canyoupleasepostsomearticlesonfunctions,logarithmsandprobability
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byrakeshojhaSunday,24August2008,08:02PM
hidear
Firstofall..thnxalotforsuchanicecollectionsofquestionswhichhashelpedtobuildthefundamentalsofthistopic...
ijusthaveonedoubtinoneoftheexamples..abovewherewearegettingnumberof7didgitnumbers...inbinary.....thatpartisok...
butwhenthenumberisconvertedtodecimalbase....therewillbeotherconditionsaprtfromlast3digitsaszeros........sayabinarynowhen
convetedtodecimalandbecomes24...thatisdivisbleby8....
maybeimwrongsomewherebutplztellmewhyonlyyouhavetakentheconditionoflast3didgitsas0fordibisiblityby8...whynotother
conditions....
thnx
rakesh
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byTotalGadhaSunday,24August2008,10:12PM
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Convert24tobinaryplease?
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byamitkumarMonday,25August2008,01:31AM
HIALL,
question.>thereare10studentsoutofwhichthreeareboysandsevenaregirls,inhowmanydifferentwayscanthestudentsbepairedsuchthatno
pairconsistsoftwoboys?
Unabletosolvethis.Pleasehelpwidproperexplanation
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byIRONMANAMonday,25August2008,11:57AM
Thanksamillion forthebeautifularticleTG.
Ihaveasmalldoubt.Plzdoexplainme.
"Thereare6tasks&6persons.Task1cannotbeassignedeithertoperson1ortoperson2task2mustbeassignedeithertoperson3
orperson4.Everypersonmustbeassignedonetask.Inhowmanywayscantheassignmentbedone(CAT2006)?"
What'sthewronginmyprocedure....
Firstperson:Astask1&task2cannotbeassignedanyoftheother4taskscanbeassignedtohim4ways
SecondPerson:Astask1&task2cannotbeassigned,andonealreadyassigendtoPerson1,anyoftheother3taskscanbeassignedtohim3
ways
ThirdPerson&Fourthperson:oneofthesegetTask2.Theothergetsanyoftheother3.(oneoftasks1,3,4,5,6(leavingthetasksassignedto
Persons1&2)3ways
Fourth&FifthPersons:other2taskscanbeassignedin2ways.
total=4*3*3*2=72
Plzdoanswerme..thanksinadvance
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byarpisinMonday,25August2008,12:20PM
TG/Dagny
Wonderfulwork!!!
Iwasgoingthroughthenumbersystemquiz,andhaveadoubtinaquestion.WherecanIpostmyquery?
Regards
Arpita
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySurendranChandravathananMonday,25August2008,09:43PM
HiAmit,
Here'smytry...
1stApproach
1boycanpairupwid7girlsin7ways...Sofor3boys,totalno.ofwaysis21..And1girlcanpairupwid6othergirlsinn(n1)/2,ie,(7x6)/2=21
ways..(or)Just7C2=21willcedeutheanswer.
Sothefinalansis21+21=42ways..
[[OR]]
2ndApproach
Shouldthisproblembesolvedlikebelow....???
Toselect2pplfrom10,wecandoin10C2=45ways..Andarrangingtheminpairscanbedonein45x2=90ways..(or)juzwehavetoarrange2
placesoutof10whichcanbedonein10P2=90ways..
Andthen,3boyscanbepairedupin6ways..
Soisthefinalans906=84ways??????
Iamperplexed..
Whichansiscorrect,TG?????Appreciateurcomments.........
BestRgds,
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bySurendranChandravathananMonday,25August2008,09:58PM
TGGGGGG,
Urartofsolving&simplifyingtheproblemsleavesmeinawebutitinvitesmoreconfusions.....
Iwudsaydatthebelowproblemcanbesolvedeasilybutusaiditisnotso..
Inhowmanywayscanfourpersonsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsonfourdifferentseats?
Nowsee,totallythrare8pplwherethey'vetobeseatedin4seats..
Sowon'tthenormalpermutationformulado???????
ie,8P4=1680ways....
Plzelucidatethefactforbreakingtheproblem&considering4casesinurapproach....
Thanksinadvance,
BestRgds,
Suren
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byBlackiMonday,25August2008,11:38PM
HiTG,
Itisregardingthe'7digitbinarynodiv.by8whenconvertedtodecimalno'question.
Howcanonedecidethatthelast4bits,ifareequaltozerothenthenoisdivisibleby8whenconvertedtodecimal?
Supposethesamequestionasksaboutoctalnoinsteadofbinary,howshouldonedecideaboutit?
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byamitkumarTuesday,26August2008,10:21PM
Hi
Answeris630.giveanothertry.
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byHarishBansalThursday,28August2008,12:51PM
HiTG,
Gr8article....
Plzpostthesolutionsoftheproblemsthatyouhavementionedinurartical...
Wewanttomatchouranswersandapproach.
AndplzcanupostsomethingonprobabilitypriortoCAT2008.
Eagrlywaitingforareply.........
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byTuhinBanerjeeTuesday,2September2008,05:14PM
HiTG,it'srealyamindblowingarticleonpermutationandcombination.
Ihavequestiononthesametopicandhavetwodifferentapproaches,kindlytellmewhichonecorrect:
Question:Tenstudentshavebeenshortlistedtoformtwoteamsofsixstudentseach,suchthatthereareexactlythreecommon
betweenthetwoteams,Inhowmanywayscantheteamsbeformed.
Ans:
1stapproach:
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Threecommonstuedntswecantakeoutof10students= 10C3ways ,
Weneedtobuildeachgrouphaving6students,forthe1stGR.restofthe3studentswecantakeoutof7students= 7C3ways
So,1stGRcomplete,forthe2ndGRwecantakerestofthe3studentsoutofthe4studentsin= 4C3ways.
10C * 7C * 4C =16800
Total= 3 3 3
2ndApproach:
From10students,3studentscommonbetweenthetwoteamscanbeselectedin= 10C3ways.
since7studentsarestillleftandforeachteamweneed6students,Nowselectthestudent
willfindaplaceinneitherteamanditcanbedonein= 7C1ways.
Nowremaining6studentshavetodividedintotwogroupsof3eachanditcanbedonein
= 6C3/2
pleasetellmewhereIammissingtheconcepts
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byrudrasamalTuesday,2September2008,10:01PM
HiTG,
Intheexamplewhereuasked:
Howmanyarrangementsrdereofsix0's,five1'sandfour2's,where
(i)first0precedesfirst1?
shudnttheansbe343980andnot349380?....andthere'saneasierwayaswell.Itgoeslikethis:
totalarrangements=(15!/(4!*5!*6!))
soanswillbe=totalarrangements*(p/q)
whereq=allpossiblarrngmntsofthe1sand0s
p=arrngmntswhere0occupies1stposition
so,
q=11!/(6!*5!)
p=10!/(5!*5!)
ans=343980
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaWednesday,3September2008,10:49AM
HiRudra,
Correctedthetypingerror.Andgoodwaytosolvethequestion.
TotalGadha
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byTotalGadhaWednesday,3September2008,10:51AM
HiTuhin,
Thesecondsolutioniscorrect.Firsthasrepetition.Pleasecheckthequestionof"threestateswiththreestudentsfromeachstate...."
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bybhageerathnWednesday,3September2008,10:30PM
hi
i'mhereforthefirsttime..thiswasprettyhelpful..howdoicrosscheckifigottherightanswers??willthesolutionsbeavailableforthequestions??
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bybhageerathnWednesday,3September2008,11:04PM
HiTG,
forthequestion
Inhowmanywayscanfourpersonsbeseatedoutoffiveboysandthreegirlson4differentseats?
shouldwetakethosecasesasmentionedbyyou??
whycantwedoitlikethis?
thereare8peopleinall..selectfourofthemin8c4ways(70ways).Nowyoucanarrangethesefourin4!ways(24ways).Sototalwaysis70*24=
1680.
isthereanythingwrongwiththisapproach??
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bySydSThursday,4September2008,01:58PM
kudosforanotherbrilliantlystructuredandeditedarticle,,,!!!!
wasjustwonderingguysboutdisprob,,,
"inhowmanydiffwayscanthefacesofacubebepaintedin6diffcolors?"
shudntthenoofwaysbe6X5x3!,,
asthefirstfacecanbepaintedin6ways,,
ratherthanonly1way,,
juswanted2knw,,yisit5X3!ratherthan6X5x3!
thnx
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bybrijeshgogiaSaturday,6September2008,07:12PM
ThankYouforthisveryusefularticle.
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byganeshpSunday,7September2008,08:41AM
ThatUVerymuchsir ..........asexpectedmysearchforthebestarticleonpermutationandcombinationdidendhere..
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bykladadasdaSunday,7September2008,08:44PM
justbeingcurious.areuvamseekrishnafromCSEIITKGP,class2006??
Ifyouarekindlyreplyback,itwouldbenicetoknowonemorefamiliarfaceatTG
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byManishKashyapTuesday,9September2008,07:56PM
HiTG,
MySolutionsare
1)a
2)c
3)b
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4)
5)c
6)
7)c
8)c
9)a
10)b
11)b
12)c
13)b
14)b
15)
16)
17)b
19)d
20)
21)c
22)16725
23)24
24)840
25)120
26)680
27)26!/2
28)45
29)21
30)35
31)5
32)7c2
33)33600
IwasnotabletosolvesomequestionsforwhichIhadnotputanyanswers.Canyoupleaseverifymyanswers
andtellmethesolutionsofwhicharewrongorwhichIwasnotabletosolve.
ThanksandRegards,
Manish
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byAnkitAroraWednesday,10September2008,05:27PM
HiTG,
Ihaven'tsolvedallthequestionstillnow...justwanttoconfirmtheanswersoffirst5ques..
1(a)
2(b)
3(d)
4.Imgetting(26^3)*220asmyanswer
5(c)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byManishKashyapThursday,11September2008,03:09PM
HiTGSir,
Pleasecheckthesolutionspleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.Iamwaitingforsolutions.
ThanksandRegards,
Manish
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvamsikrishnaFriday,12September2008,04:25PM
Frns
Check/discussanswersforaboveproblems@
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VaMsI
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySaurabhShekharFriday,26September2008,09:59AM
HiTG,
CouldyoupleasepostthecompletesolutiontotheExercise.
Wearealleagerlywaitingforit.
Saurabh
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byVenkkatesanRSaturday,27September2008,04:44AM
Hisuren,
Ithinkthequestioninvolvesjusttheselection.Hencethearrangementisnotrequired.Hence10c23c2=453=42istheanswer.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byarvindjenamaniSaturday,4October2008,09:19PM
HiTGsir,
Thelinkisfabulous.Incombinationpartthereisaquestion"Inhowmanyways5boys,3girlscanbesittedin4seats?"
Therewedon'tneedtosegregateintopartslikeyoumentioned.
8C4wayswecanselect4people(withoutconsideringboy,girlcombination)
4!waystoarrangethem.so,8C4*4!=8P4=1680
whichmatchalsoyouranswer.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitTrivediSaturday,11October2008,10:31PM
HiTGsir,
Thelessonisreallygreat.ihaveadoubtforoneoftheexamples.
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theexampleinwhich5boysand5girlsgotowatchthecinemaspiderman3.
yougavetwoarrangementforthewishoftheboys"everyboywantstositwithagirl"andnotwogirlssit
together
ithinkotherarrangementoftheformarepossible
GBBGBGBGBG
GBGBBGBGBG
GBGBGBBGBG
GBGBGBGBBG
Intheabovearrangementseveryboyissittingwithagirlandnotwogirlsaresittingtogether
clarifymydoubt,letmeknowwhereiammakingmistakeinreasoning.
WarmRegards,
Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitTrivediSaturday,11October2008,11:57PM
ifthecouplesaresitingattheends
thearangementsare2X2X2x6!
Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymeenakSaturday,18October2008,04:24AM
hi,
forthestatesquestioncan'twesolvelikethisfrom3states3studentseachsoselecting5frm9=9c5
thensubtracting6c5(casewhereall5studentsareselectedfrmtwostates)
ie:9c56c5.plstellmewheretheproblmis
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynoelsandeshMonday,3November2008,03:40PM
HiTG,
Thisisinregardtoanexampleproblem(No.of7digitbinarynumbersthataredivisibleby8whenconvertedtobase10).iwaswonderingastoy
the3rddigitfromthelastcannotbe1or0.You'vementionedthatthelast3digitsshouldbe0.Butifthelast3digitsare100thenitsbase10
equivalentwillbe400whichisdivisibleby8....I'mreallybadatPnCbutican'tfigureoutthelogicalflawinmythought...Canuhelpmeouton
this?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrajeshkambampatiThursday,6November2008,12:36AM
Yaiagreewithyousandesh,itoogotthisdoubt.Andithinkwearecorrect.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaFriday,7November2008,12:49AM
(100) 2=4(indecimal)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byCompleteGadhaFriday,7November2008,08:03PM
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HiTGSir,
ThisisthebestmaterialihaveevercomeacrossforPermutationandCombination.
Ihavebeengoingthroughthematerialintheforum.allofthemrsoamazingthatiamactuallygainingtheconfidencetocrack
theCATthoughihavenotbeendoingsogoodinthemockcat.Thanksalot..!!
HatsoffToU...!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBheemeshKWednesday,12November2008,01:40AM
HiTG,
Ihadadoubtinthefirstproblem(i.e10speakersproblem)solvedinthepermutationsection.
Isolveditinthismanner.youtiethePM,MPandMLAintoasinglepersonandthencalculatethewaystoarrangethem.
wudn`titbe8!thenthatwehaveother7speakersand1groupofPM,MPandMLAtoarrange?
Ifindyourwayalsologicalbutamnotabletounderstanddifferencebetweenmyapproachandyourapproach.kindlycanyouexplainwhereIam
missingthelogic?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalWednesday,4February2009,08:51AM
HiTG,
Ihavesomeprobleminunderstandingtheconceptofpartitionproblem..
of5ballsasstatedbeyou.
let'stake*****theseas5similarballs
nowdividingtheminto3grps..
icandoitbyplacing2sticks..forthatihavetotalof
|*|*|*|*|*|>|denoteschoices
6choices..
soselecting2spacesoutof6canbedonein
6C2=15ways..
telmewatsgoinwronginthisapproach..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalThursday,12February2009,09:41PM
hiTG,
theproblemihadabove,i'ddoneamistake
actuallythrwudbe30ways...
for1ststick6ways
for2ndstick5
sototal6*5=30.
ifyoucudclarifythisthingitwudbenice
Regards,
sumit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,12February2009,11:09PM
HiSumit,
Inyoursolution,youcan'tplacestickslikethisforexample
||*****
Thiswoulddenotea005casewhichyoucannotcover.Youcanonlycover050casebyplacingthesticksinthismanner:|*****|
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Thewayyouareplacingthesticksyoucanneverplacetwostickssidebysidebecauseyouaretakingittobeonespaceonly.
TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalFriday,13February2009,12:16AM
hisir,
sirthat'sfine..btifiamntconsideringthiscase..thenyismyanswercomintobearnd30..whrasustatedit's21.
ithinkthrmightbesomekindofrepeatition...
andasutold
||*****ntincludedso,
nowsupposeiplace1ststick
thenarrangementwudbelike..
|*****
nowtoincludeurcasefor2ndstickthrare6casesasicanplace
stickbetweenstarsandbeside1ststick
inthiscasetotalcasescomeouttobe36 stillmorethan21
abitconfusedashowtogetcorrectresultbyusingthisstickmethod.
regards,
sumit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaFriday,13February2009,09:32AM
HiSumit,
Therepetitionisbecauseyouaretakingpartitionstobedifferentwhereastherehavetobetakenassimilar.Forexample,taketwosimplecases:
*P1***P2*and*P2***P1*whereP1andP2denotethepartitions.Boththesecasewouldyieldthesameresult,i.e.131butyouare
countingthemasdifferent.
IfIdothisbyyourmethodIwilldoitlikethis:
ForthefirstpartitionIhave6places.
**|***
ForthesecondpartitionIhave7places.Thereforetotalnumberofways=67=42.Aseachcaseisbeingrepeatedonce,thetotalnumberof
cases=42/2=21.
TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalFriday,13February2009,05:07PM
hiTG,
thanks ,thatwaswatithinking....
gr8work..
Regards,
sumit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAbhinavKumarFriday,22May2009,01:38PM
Thatsreallyabeautifulone.
Madesuchadifficulttasksosimplewiththeexamplesofsuchavariety.
ThanksaLot
Abnv
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byronyroyFriday,22May2009,02:33PM
hiTG,
whatwastheanswertothequestionthatgoes.....
howmanyarrangementsofsix0sfive1sandfour2sarethereinwhich
ii)thefirst0precedesthefirst1,(and)precedesthefirst2.
myanswercomesouttobeamassive:504504
replysoon...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakTuesday,26May2009,12:29PM
hitg..1stofallthanksatonforthissimplyawesomepost..iwsntgettinganygudmaterialonP&CnProbabilitynwasworried...thanksagain..
..regardingtheProblem::thereare10speakerswhorsupposed2address.OneconstraintisPMshudaddressbeforeMPandMPbeforeMLA.
Mysoln::LetPM=PMP=QMLA=R
theordershudbePQR..soitukPQRas1blockandsototalpeople2barrangedbecomes(7+1)=8...andnowarrangingthemweget
Ans=8!.
Pleasetellwhereamimakingthemistake?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPriyeshTungareWednesday,27May2009,02:59PM
HiTG,
Thanksforthearticle.
Ihaveonedoubt.
Inthequestion,Howmany3digitnumbersareevenandwithnorepeateddigits,inthesecondcasefornumbernotendingin0,youhavemultiplied
8*8*4.
Canyouexplainwhywearemultiplying4here?
Thismaybesimplequestionforothers,btibelieveinsaying..whenindoubtask....
Thanks,
PriyeshTungare
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,28May2009,02:06PM
HiRandeep,
'Before'mightnotalwaysmean'justbefore,'asyouhaveassumedbytakingthemtogether.TherecanbeotherpersonsbetweenP,QandR.
TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,28May2009,02:08PM
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HiPriyesh,
Therearefour4evendigitsafterremovingzero2,4,6and8.Thenumberwouldendinoneofthese.
TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakThursday,28May2009,10:21PM
ohyeah,,goshishudhavthotdat..thanksalotforclearingthedoubt...
TGsiritwillbagr8helpifucudpostsomegudtext,likedis,forProbablityalso..datsanotherarea,whichifindtough..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakFriday,29May2009,10:09AM
hitg..fromwherecanifindtheanswers2theaboveexercise..itsvimp2chkwhetherihavunderstudurconceptsprnt.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byanirbanbharSunday,31May2009,12:34PM
hitg,
imabitconfsedwidthesolutiontothepaintcubeproblem............
thefirstfacewichwechoosecnbpaintedin6ways,.........yhaventuconsideredthat....plzzzenlighten
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAvishekChakrabortyThursday,11June2009,07:39PM
HeyguysIhaveaquestionrelatedtothistopic,couldusolvethis?Hereitgoes...
Q.4boyzn4girlsarearrangedinarowsothatno2girlsaretogether.Watistheprobabilitythatany2boyzaretogether?
waitingforurresponse...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakThursday,11June2009,08:27PM
dude..thisisPnCthreadnuaskingProbability..jstkidding..anywaysidntknowprobabilitysocanthelp@thismoment..TGsirwillbepostinga
textonProbsoon...waitingforthat...ATBmate
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykukluxklanThursday,18June2009,07:18PM
thereare4friendsand10hotelrooms
q)inhowmanywayscanatleasttwofriendsstaytogether
myanswertothisisasfollows,whichisleadingmetothewronganswer,willbeverygratefulifsomeonecanpointoutthefallacyinthis
1case)2friendsstaytogether
c(4,2)*10*9*8
2ndcase)threefriendsstaytogether
c(4,3)*10*9
3rdcase)allfourstaytogether
10
addingupallthesecasesiamgetting4690,whichiswrong....pleasetellmethemistakeinthis
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrohankaushalSaturday,20June2009,09:03AM
hi,
Q.howmanythreedigitnumbersaretherewhichareevenandhavenorepeateddigits????
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can'titbethisway???
___
the3rdplace5choices,(i.e0,2,4,6,8)sonoofwaysare5
1stplacehave8choices(excluding0andthe3rdplace'snumber)
&2ndplacehaveagaineightchoices....
andthatcomesouttobe8*8*5=320..
couldyouplzhelpme.......
thanxalot!!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitjainSunday,21June2009,12:37PM
@Rohan,
Whenyouwilluse0fortheunit'splacethenforthehundredsplaceyouwillhave9choices(1....9)and1othplace8choices.
Ihopenowyouknowwhereyouaregettingitwrong
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysrinivasanraviSunday,12July2009,10:51AM
hisir,
canuplsexplainmetheproblemjustbeforecicularcombinations..icantunderstanditclearly..plshelp..thanks..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysmrutypanigrahiMonday,13July2009,11:10AM
Hii,
Thisisarathersimplelookingproblembuthasbeenpesteringmeandamunabletosolve.Plchechitoutandhelpmeguys.
YouhavetofindoutthenumberofwaystoreachfromAtoB.
Extremelysorry4thepoorqualityoffig.Iain'tthatgoodwithcomputers.
Plzgiveadetailedsolution.
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Thanxinadvance.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byaryanrajMonday,13July2009,03:03PM
hi
sir
thisfileissogoodforcatexamsoiwantsolutionoftheallprob
soplzsandmethesolutiononmyemail
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitMegotiaTuesday,28July2009,11:13AM
heysmruty,
byanychancedoyouknowtheanswertoyourquestion?
itscomingouttobe72.
ifitscorrectiwilltellyoutheprocedure.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byJaideepDasTuesday,28July2009,10:44PM
Cansomebodyprovidemetheanswersfor(ii)and(iii)partsofthequestionfor60's,51'sans42's?
Igottheanswersas15840for(ii)and378738for(iii)
Aretheseanswerscorrect?Pleasereply
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byGowthamMuthukkumaranThirunavukkarasuMonday,3August2009,11:20PM
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Yourright.
Thesolutiongivenhere,isbasedonaassumptionthatthethreespeekinorder,whichisnotthecase.Yoursolutionisperfectiguess.
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Re:PermutationandCombinationtoBheemeshK
byGowthamMuthukkumaranThirunavukkarasuMonday,3August2009,11:22PM
Yourright.
Thesolutiongivenhere,isbasedonaassumptionthatthethreespeekinorder,whichisnotthecase.Yoursolutionisperfectiguess.
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Re:PermutationandCombinationTOsmrutypanigrahi
byGowthamMuthukkumaranThirunavukkarasuTuesday,4August2009,12:31AM
Fromthefigureyouhavegivenihaveworkedoutandgottheanswertobe30.Juzcheckifyoualreadyknowtheanswerandifitiswrongpleaselet
meknow.Ihaveattachedthefilehere.
MoreoverIhaveassumedthatonecantravelthroughapathonlyonce.ForexampleyoucannotgothroughEDandagaincomebacktoE.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAvishekChakrabortyWednesday,5August2009,03:31PM
Firstlyimustsaythearticleisawesome!
Pleasepardonmeifmyquestionseemschildish!
There'sonequestionrelatedtodice,inhowmanywayssumof8canbeobtainedbyrolling2diceifthetheyaredistinguishable...
nowmyquestionisaswearerightlyconsidering(3,5)and(5,3)asdifferentcases,whyarewenottakingtwocasesfor(4,4)?Thoughthe
denominationsaresamebutthedicearedistinguishable.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bycatchampSaturday,8August2009,04:11PM
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idontthinkitwillbetakenabhishek..as(4,4)ismakingthediceindistinguishable..
btw..verygoodworktgsir..thebestarticletilldateihavefoundonp&c..andiwillbepostingthesolnssoon..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byanimeshchandanSaturday,15August2009,10:57PM
hiTG
ihavproblem
Q:thereare7menand5womenwehavetoselect4menand3womenbutifmrsAwillgothenmrsBwillnotgo.inhowmanywaysvcanselect
them?
myapproachis7menwillbeselectedin7C4ways
andthereare3cases
case1:wefirstselectmrsAthemautomaticallymrsbwillnotbeselectedthenwecanselectremainingwomenin3C2ways,
thatis7C4*3C2=105.
case2:weselectmrsBthenautomaticallymrsAwillnotbeselectedthenvecanselectremainingwomenin3C2ways,
thatis7C4*3C2=105,
case3:ifbothofthemarenotselectedthenwewillhave3C3waystoselectwomen
thatis7C4*3C3=35
thatmeanstotalnoofways=105+105+35=245
plZZZtelmeisittherightapproach?????
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnoopMaithaniThursday,20August2009,10:30AM
HiTG..
Amazingarticle..waitingeagerlyforanarticleonProbability..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBellTheCAT...Thursday,20August2009,07:18PM
HiTG,
Areallyhelpfularticle,forithelpedmereviseP&C.thanksalot.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeepsinSaturday,5September2009,01:59PM
@kukluxklan
Youareforgettingtotakeonecaseintocalculation
Thecaseis:2stayinsamehotelandremaining2alsostaysinsamehotel.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPallavJainThursday,17September2009,07:03PM
HiAll,
Canyouplztellmethesolution?
Usingoneormoreofthedigits1,2,3,4,5,6and7,howmany7digitnumberscanbeformedwhicharedivisibleby7?
Options:
A)75+74+73+72+7C)476
B)475D)76E)676
Thanks
PallavJain
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyaramrajFriday,18September2009,04:00PM
HiTG,
Ihaveadoubtinthearticlethatuhaveposted.Togetasumof8withdistinguishabledices,wonttheoccurrenceof(4,4)bedifferentbecauseitis
distinguishable???shudntweconsideritas2cases..Plsclarify...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byROHITKFriday,18September2009,05:05PM
Hipriya,
Justogivitatry..
Togetasumof8withdistinguishabledices,wonttheoccurrenceof(4,4)bedifferentbecauseitisdistinguishable???shudntweconsideritas2cases
..
(2,1)and(1,2)aredifferentindistinguishabledice(whichisnotthecaseinsamekindofdice).
Say,youhavearedandabluedie
Case:(1,2)and(2,1)
1.Red>1Blue>2
2.Red>2Blue>1
Youcandistinguishthetwonotonlybytheircolorbutalsobythedifferenceintheirnumericalvalue.
Case2:(4,4)
1.Blue>4Red>4
2.Red>4Blue>4
Aren'ttheybothsame??
Ifyes,thenweneednotconsiderittwocases.
Inshort,sincethenumericalvalueissame,wecannotdistinguishthecasethoughthetwodicearedistinguishable.
Hopethishelps.
Rohit
P.Sifyoustilldidn'tunderstand...TGtohai..!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyaramrajFriday,18September2009,05:31PM
HiRohit,
goingbyurexample,Watiunderstandfromthearticleisthat
coloristhedistinguishingfactorandnotthenumber...Ifweremovethecoloraspectfromtheargumentonlythenthedistinguishingproperty
vanishes...hopeiamnotwrong..anyways..Thanksfortheapproach
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byROHITKSaturday,19September2009,02:17PM
Hipriya,
Coloristhedistinguishingfactorandnotthenumber...
Ifweremovethecoloraspectfromtheargumentonlythenthedistinguishingpropertyvanishes...
Idonotcompletelyagreewithyourconclusion..
Thedicehadtwodifferentcolorsviz.redandblue..(Ididnotremovethem)
But,stillyoucouldnotdistinguish<4,4>fromeachother..!!(howcouldyouiftheyarethesameones?)
Thereasonwasnotcolorbutsamenumericalvalue..
Ifyouhadchangedthenumberto<1,2>thenyouwouldhavedistinguisheditfrom<2,1>occurrence.
ifyoucancheckmyexplanationagainafterreadingthishopeitwouldbemoreclear..
1.Ifcolorsofdicearesame(i.eindistinguishabledice)thenoccurrenceof<1,2>or<2,1>orforthatmatteranypairofvaluesandviceversacannot
bedistinguished..(veryobvious)(indistinguishablebecauseofcolor)
2.Ifcolorsofdicearedifferentthen
a.<1,2>canbedistinguishedfromoccurrenceof<2,1>(distinguishablebecauseofcolorofthedice)
b.<4,4>orforthatmatteranysamevalueonbothdicecannotbedistinguishedfromviceversavalue(whichisactuallythesameoccurrenceasthe
previous..)(indistinguishablebecauseofsamevalueonthedice)
Hence,theconclusioncanbedrawnthatthedistinguishingfactorinthediceofdifferentcolorsisthecoloraspect,onlywhennumbersappearingon
thedicearedifferent.Ifthenumberbecomessame(indistinguishable)thenyoucannotdistinguishtheoccurrence.
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Hopethishelps..
Rohit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySureshSMonday,21September2009,11:11AM
Hisir..
itsreallysuperb....thanksforurarticle.....
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byROHITKTuesday,22September2009,12:36PM
HiTG..!!
Thanksforsuchanicearticle.
Ihadonequestionregarding:
Inhowmanywayscan4personsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsin4differentseats?
WhileexplainingyousaiditisnotthesimpleformulabasedP&Cproblem.
Though,Ithinkthatitcouldbesolvedinverysimpletermswithoutbreakingdowntheproblemintocases(thewayyoualreadysuggestedasthe
concept).
Twoaspectstothisproblem:
1.Selecting4personsfrom8persons(5boys+3girls)whichcanbedonein8C4ways
2.Arrangingthe4personson4differentseatsforeachselectionwhichcanbedonein4!ways
Sototalnumberofways=8C4*4!=70*24=1680(sameas8P4)
Pleaseletmeknowifthisisnottherightwaytoapproachtheproblem.
Ineedyourinsightintothis.
ThanksandRegards
Rohit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRohanSTuesday,29September2009,11:49AM
TGSTANDSFORTRUEGUIDE........
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysharmishthaGuptaFriday,9October2009,01:13PM
Hi,
superbarticle.
ihaveadoubtthough,
inthequeswhereuhv10collegestudents,5boysand5girlsanduhavetomakesurethatnotwogirlssittogether,
canwefirstmaketheboyssitin5!ways
_B_B_B_B_B_
now,forthegirlstosit,wehavetochoose5ofthe6placesavailablesothatnotwogirlssittogether,thiscanbedonein6waysandthegirlscan
thenbeseatedin6*5!ways.
Therefore,thenoofwaysinwhichtheycansitaccordingtothegivenconditionthencomesouttobe
6*5!*5!.
Pleasecorrectmeifiamwrong.
Thanx
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAsHwInDrmzSaturday,10October2009,01:32AM
hiSharmista,
Youaremissingoutsomehighere.Say1stweseatalltheboys..in5!ways.
Thenwehave6placeswhere5girlshavetobeseated.Now,1stgirlcanbeseatedinanyofthe6availableplaces,2ndgirlcanbeseatedinthe
remaining5avaialbleplaces,3rdgirlcanbeseatedinremaining4availableplaces....etc
ie6x5x4x3x2.
sototalarrangementsboilsdownto:2*5!*(6x5x4x3x2)
Hopeitsclearnow.
Ashwin
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysharmishthaGuptaSaturday,10October2009,10:03PM
Thanxashwin.
Umightthinkmetobeadudbutkindlyexplainhowugotthe
2in2*5!*(6*5*4*3*2).
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAsHwInDrmzSaturday,10October2009,10:59PM
hey..
dontthinklikedat..Weareallheretolearnfromeachothernooneisperfect.Soneverunderestimateurself...Comingtothequestion,seetherewill
be2cases:1stcasewhenuseatalltheboys1stin5placesthenarrangethegirls.2ndcaseyoucanseatthegirls1stthenarrangetheboysamong
them.
hencewetake2*
Hopeitsclearnow.
Ashwin
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySaravanarBWednesday,21October2009,01:24PM
Hi TG Sir,
Thanks a lot for your article and I don't have any words to describe ur work sir...
I owe a lot... Great job sir... I have a great respect for you sir and long live TG family
1. Four friends go to a city in which there are 10 hotels. In how many ways can they stay ?
Sol :
(approach 1) : The first friend can stay in 10 ways, the second friend can stay in 10 ways, similarly the
third and fourth..
so the ans is 10*10*10*10 = 10000
(approach 2) : The first hotel can accomodate 4 friends or 3 friends or 2 friends or 1 friend or 0(zero). So
nu of ways the 1st hotel can accomodate is 1+2+3+4 = 10 ( i have added 1,2,3,4 as it is either "OR" case)
Same goes for 2nd hotel, 3rd hotel and 4th hotel...
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Sol :
( approach 1 ) The first letter can be posted in 4 ways, similarly the second,third....tenth.
So the ans is : 4*4*4...*4 = 4^10 = 1048576
(approach 2 ) : The first letter box can get '1' or '2' or '3' ..... '10' letters.So nu of ways
the 1st letter can accomodate is 1+2+3+4+..+10 = 55
Same goes for 2nd letter 3rd letter and 4th letter
Doubt : I couldn't figure out what is wrong with my second approach.. Kindly explain me sir.. Also tell me
given a question when to apply which approach...
My prob is I never get satisfied with one approach sir.. I always try out different approach..
Thanks
Saran
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaWednesday,21October2009,09:42PM
HiSaravanar,
Iffirstletterboxpostseven1letteror2lettersetc.thesecondletterboxdoesnothave10ways.
TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byskyskiers44Monday,26October2009,02:55AM
Hello,
mnotsureifthisistherightsectiontopostpermutationproblem,butanywayspleasehelpmeoutwiththefollowing
Inhowmanywayscan10soldiersstandin2rowssuchthatthereare5soldiersineachrow?
Istheanswer7257600or7257600/2?
Puneet
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNabanshuBhattacharjeeTuesday,27October2009,01:33AM
HiTG
Thanksagain,
WantedtosharetheprobabilisticapproachtodearrangementproblemwiththeTGites.
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56592.html
Aquery:IfyougothroughtheproofinthelinkIhavegiven,youcanseethattheyareconsidering4outof5lettersplacedinthecorrectenvelope.
Howcomethereresultmatcheswiththeonegiveninthisthread?ImeanicouldnotfindwhereIamgoingwrong.Pleasehelp!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySaravanarBFriday,30October2009,12:26AM
HiTG,
Thanksforyourreply...
Yesigotit...thesecondletterboxneednothavetenways...
Isthereawaytosolvethisquestionintheletterboxperspective(approach2)??Itriedtosolvebutcouldn'tgettheansaswellasthe
approach..
Saran
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byswethachinthareddyMonday,2November2009,03:35PM
6Ballsofdifferentcoloursaretobedistributedamong2boys.Whatistheprobabilitythateachboygetssamenumberofballs?
a)5/16
b)15/64
c)1/2
d)3/8
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynishchainevrekarWednesday,4November2009,05:58PM
Hi,
Iwouldliketopointoutthethatthesolutiontothe5BOY,5GIRLMOVIEmovieproblemwithnogirlssittingtogetherisalittleflawed...
Itdoesnttakeintoconsiderationthisarrangement
GBGBGBBGBGnmanyotherslikthis....
sothesolntothishastobeconsideredbykeepingobjects(orpeopleforthisproblem)whoarenotsupposedtobetogetherasdynamic
andothersasstatic...
hereboyshavetobestaticngirlsdynamic...asshownbelow
_B_B_B_B_B_
sogirlsonlyhavesixpositionstogointoandalsotheywillneverbetogetheraswelimitingthembyprovidingonlyoneslotbtwboys.
Hencerefertothemasdynamicastheycantake6positions.
so,6P5=6x120
whileboyswhocanbetogetherarestaticcausetheycanonlytake5positions.
5P5=120
so,totalnoways=120x120x6=14400x6
Hopethiswashelpful...
Also,PleasecorrectmeifIamwrong:D
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaFriday,6November2009,01:46PM
HiNishchal,
Youforgottheconditionmentionedinthequestioneveryboywantstositwithagirl.
TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysaurabhprabhudessaiFriday,6November2009,03:42PM
intheconditionmentionedbynischaieveryboyhasatleastonegalonhisside!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynishchainevrekarFriday,6November2009,03:59PM
inthesetypesofarrangements GBGBBGBGBG
Hereeveryboyissittingwithonegirl....ittheconditionwas
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"everyboywantstositinbetween2girls"theniwouldbeadiffcasealtogether.
Ifnotthenplztemme...ythesecasesarenottobeconsidered...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvineetjainTuesday,17November2009,12:41AM
HiTG!!
superbarticle
IhaveaquestionwhichhasbeenaskedbyRohitalso.iamusingsamelanguageashim
"Inhowmanywayscan4personsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsin4differentseats?
WhileexplainingyousaiditisnotthesimpleformulabasedP&Cproblem.
Though,Ithinkthatitcouldbesolvedinverysimpletermswithoutbreakingdowntheproblemintocases(thewayyoualreadysuggestedasthe
concept).
Twoaspectstothisproblem:
1.Selecting4personsfrom8persons(5boys+3girls)whichcanbedonein8C4ways
2.Arrangingthe4personson4differentseatsforeachselectionwhichcanbedonein4!ways
Sototalnumberofways=8C4*4!=70*24=1680(sameas8P4)"
pleasecorrectmeifiamdoingitwrong
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySHAUNAKATuesday,24November2009,08:16PM
HelloTGsir,
That'sCATlikearticleonPermCom......simplicityexemplified...
ThanxSir...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byHarishAWednesday,25November2009,09:32PM
HiTG,
ThisisMyfirstpostinthisisforum.
ItisgreatdisappointmentIwouldlikesay,evenaftergoingthroughtheLessonsmultipletimes,Iamunabletosolveevenasingleproblem.Itisnot
becauseofthewayyouexplainthings,butitismyability.
Iamsurewiththesegivensetofskills,IamillequippedtotackleCAT.
ItmaybeofgreathelpifyoucanletmewherethesolutionsarepresentIcanjustreadthemforpurposeoflearning.
Thanks,
Harish.A
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byaritreyeechaudhuriWednesday,2December2009,08:50PM
HiTG
Ilovedthisarticle..thanksalotforurefforts ..thishelpedmerecollectmanyoftheconceptslearntearlier..
butiamnotclearaboutthe'paintingfacesofacube'problem..twootherguysSydSandAnirbanBharhavealsoaskedthesamequestionthatiam
goingtotypenow..
Whenwefixthecolorofonesideofacube..wehave6possibilities(astherearesixcolors)..andinthatcasetheoppositesidewillhave5
possibilities..fortheremainingwecanusethecircularperrmutationrule..sotheremainingsidescanbepaintedin(41)!ways..
Soshouldntthenumberofwaysinwhichthecubecanbepainted,be6x5x3!?
Canupleaseclarifythis?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bygurtezsinghThursday,11February2010,05:56PM
niceworksir...........
ihveaprob...
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~thererfoursectionsofapaperwidamax.marksf45freachsection&toqualify1havegetmin.90markstheninhwmanywayshecnqualify
daexam??????????????
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvijayshreemenonMonday,5April2010,10:05PM
Hi,
Canany1explainmethis
Intheabovepost,TGsircitedaneg
@anelectionmeeting100ppladdressrally.OrderfollowedPMthenMPfollowedbyMLA
Solutiongiven:LetPM=PMPdenotedasQandMLAasR.10speakersadddressrallyin10!ways.thisincludesPQRPRQQPRQRPRPQRQP.Now
SinceneedonlyPQRwedivide10!by6.
Ihaveagenuineprobhere.FirstofallitsdecidedtatPQRwillbetheorderwhichmeansweneedtokeepPQRfixedandonlycounttheremaining7
pplarrangement.Ycantitbeso???IknowIwrongwhereamImakingthemistake....
Imarealdumbonetohavesuchdoubts...butwanttomakeitclear....
PlsTGsirorDagnyMamorwhoevercamamswerthisq
PlshelpPls...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAspirendAchieveMonday,10May2010,02:27PM
HiTGSir,
canyoupleaseexplainthesolutionforproblem3
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circularlineraquery
byrobincatchFriday,25June2010,03:41PM
DEARTG..helpmeonthis??
thenumberofwaysthat4girlsand5boyscansit
aroundatablestnotwogirlssittogether?
isthereageneralformula??
whatwouldbethesolutionforalineartable,ie4girls
and5boys(no2girlssittogether)??
whatwouldbethesolnhad2girlsbeenalwaystogether,
(case1:aroundaroundtable
case2:inalineararrangement)???
thnxinadvance,highlyappreciateforquickreply
imlovinmath
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Answers
byRamitGoyalMonday,28June2010,11:04PM
1a
2b
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3d
4c
5c
6a
7d
8c
9c
10b
11b
12c
13
14a
15
16
17b
18d
19a
20c
Pleasereviewandnotifymeforunattemptedquestionsandwronganswers
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysonalipawarThursday,8July2010,03:12PM
HiTG,
Asusualbeautifularticle!!!!
Justonedoubt......
InthepartofDistributionintheproblemof5ballsand3boxescaseIVi.ewhenallballsandboxesaredissimilar,fordistribution113and122usay
thenoofdistributionsare3!.Shouldn'titbe3!/2!=3asthereare2groupswithsamenumberofthings?
Pleasecorrectmeifmwrong!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,8July2010,05:32PM
HiSonali
Though in 113 and 122 distribution there are two groups with same number of things but still they are different
groupsbecauseofdifferentballs.That'swhyitis3!inplaceof3!/2!
Hopeitisclear.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNamanMirchandaniTuesday,20July2010,04:29PM
Sir,
Ihaveoneconfusion:
Inhowmanywayscan5similarballsbe
distributedin3differentboxes?
Ans:(bymethodgivenhere)21
Butthereisonebasicquestioninyou
article(likeinhowmanycanonepost10letters
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in4letterboxes:4*4*4.....10times:
4^10....).....
Soifweapplytheabovemethodconsidering
similarlettersanddifferentletterboxes
.....answerwillcome:13C3?
Haveweconsideredalllettersdissimilartoget
4^10?(canitbegeneralisedwherenothingis
mentionedaboutsimilarityordissimilarity?)
Plshelp???????????....
Naman
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySiddharthKhannaSaturday,7August2010,09:36PM
HiTGSir,
inthesetypesofarrangements GBGBBGBGBG
Hereeveryboyissittingwithonegirl....ittheconditionwas
"everyboywantstositinbetween2girls"theniwouldbeadiffcasealtogether.
Ifnotthenplztemme...ythesecasesarenottobeconsidered...
)
EvenIhavethesamedoubtasmentionedbynishchai.
Cantweconsiderthisarrangement.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byravibaranwalSunday,8August2010,03:32AM
agreewidsiddharthnnischai.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykesavsinghWednesday,11August2010,11:01PM
hieveryone!
cananybodyhelpmeinbelowquestion?
howmanydifferentsumscanbeformedwiththefollowingcoins
5rupee,1rupee,50paise,25paise,10paise,3paisa,2paisa&1paise?
plzeleborate
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRaviMathurTuesday,17August2010,09:16PM
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Thereare10stepsinastaircaseandapersonhastotakethosesteps.Ateverystepthepersonhasgotachoiceoftaking1stepor2stepsor3
steps.Thenumberofwaysinwhchpersoncantakethosestepsis??
Cananyonepleasehelpmewiththisstaircaseproblem.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvershajhunjhunwalaSunday,29August2010,12:05AM
Outof21ticketsmarkedwithnumbersfrom1to21,threearedrawnatrandom,findtheprobabilitythatthethreenumbersonthemareinA.P
canupleaseexplainthecompletemethod?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNITINNIGAMTuesday,31August2010,07:57AM
HiVersha...myapproachisasfollows:
from1to21findtheno.ofAP'sthatucangetandtherewillbecasesaccordingly:
1.APwithd=1,wehave21nos.Amongthese21nos.wecanchoose3nos.whichareinAPas1,2,3or2,3,4or3,4,5andsoon...hencetotalno.
ofcaseswillbe19herewithlastcaseendingat19,20,21
2.APwithd=2,wehavetwoserieshere
a)1,3,5,7......21=11nos.
hencenos.canbechosenas1,3,5or3,5,7andsoon..sohereTOTALCASES=9
b)2,4,6,8......20=10nos.
hencenos.canbechosenas2,4,6or4,6,8andsoon..sohereTOTALCASES=8
3.APwithd=3,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,4,7,10,13,16,19>totalcases=5
b)2,5,8,11,14,17,20>totalcases=5
c)3,6,9,12,15,18,21>totalcases=5
4.APwithd=4,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,5,9,13,17,21>totalcases=4
b)2,6,10,14,18>totalcases=3
c)3,7,11,15,19>totalcases=3
d)4,8,12,16,20>totalcases=3
5.APwithd=5,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,6,11,16,21>Totalcases=3
b)2,7,12,17>Totalcases=2
c)3,8,13,18>Totalcases=2
d)4,9,14,19>Totalcases=2
e)5,10,15,20>Totalcases=2
6.APwithd=6,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,7,13,19>Totalcases=2
b)2,8,14,20>Totalcases=2
c)3,9,15,21>Totalcases=2
d)4,10,16>Totalcases=1
e)5,11,17>Totalcases=1
f )6,12,18>Totalcases=1
7.APwithd=7,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,8,15>Totalcases=1
b)2,9,16>Totalcases=1
c)3,10,17>Totalcases=1
d)4,11,18>Totalcases=1
e)5,12,19>Totalcases=1
f )6,13,20>Totalcases=1
g)7,14,21>Totalcases=1
8.APwithd=8,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,9,17>Totalcases=1
b)2,10,18>Totalcases=1
c)3,11,19>Totalcases=1
d)4,12,20>Totalcases=1
e)5,13,21>Totalcases=1
9.APwithd=9,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,10,19>Totalcases=1
b)2,11,20>Totalcases=1
c)3,12,21>Totalcases=1
10APwithd=10,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,11,21>Totalcases=1
nowtotalno.ofAP'scasesthatyoucanhavefromthesenos.is
19+17+15+13+11+9+7+5+3+1=100
nowtotalno.ofwaysofselecting3nos.fromgiven21nos.are21C3=1330
Hencetherequiredprobabilityis100/1330
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approachifyoufindone...andletmeknowiftheansweriscorrect...
thanks
Nitin
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeeptianandMonday,6September2010,08:50PM
hii...hvaques..plzhelpmeout
setAisformedbyselectingsomeofthenumbersfromthefirst100naturalnumberssuchthattheHCFofanytwonumbersinthesetaresame
Q1:ifeverypairofsetAhastoberealtivelyprimeandsetAhasmaxnumberofelementspossible,theninhowmanywayssetAcanbeselected..??
1)64
2)96
3)72
4)108
Q2:iftheHCFofanytwonumbersinsetAis3,thenwhatisthemaximumnoofelementssetAcanhave..??
1)10
2)12
3)11
4)14
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnimeshDevarshiSaturday,11September2010,07:23PM
Hi,
regquestion:howmanywayscanforpersonsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsonfourdifferentseats?
whycan'twegofor 8C4?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byharleenmannMonday,4October2010,01:27AM
@deeptianand
Ans1.
thinkingpart:here,forelementstobemax,itcanbeunderstoodthatweneedtotakeallprimesnumbers<100and"1".thereforewewillhave26
elementsinthatset.
Alittlemorethoughttoitwillgettothepointthatwecanalsoselectpowersoftheprimesnos.(<100).soheregoesalittlepaperworkpart:
1
2^1to2^6(highest6since2^7>100)
3^1to3^4
5^1to5^2
7^1to7^2
11
13............
sowewouldhave:6*4*2*2=96ways!!
Ans2.
HCF=3thismeansthattheonlycommonfactorbetweenany2elementsshouldbe3.
Tomakethispossible,starttakingnumbersfrom3onwardsmultipliedwithprimes,
i.e.3*1,3*2,3*3,3*5....3*31.
Theseareatotalof12numbers!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBlackhorseWednesday,13October2010,09:15PM
TherecantbeabetterarticleonP&Cthanthis.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPriteshRanjanTuesday,19October2010,03:11PM
hiTG..
ihad2quests..iwaswonderingifucudplzhelpmeoutwiddem..
1.)Howmany6digitnumberscontainexactly4differentdigits..??
2.)SixwhiteandSixblackballsofthesamesizer2bedistributedamong10urnssuchthateachurncontainsatleastoneball.Whatisthetotalno
ofdistributions..????
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitMittalFriday,29October2010,02:27PM
Hi,Iamaskingthisquestiontogetmyconceptsright,hereisthequestion:
Determinethenumberof5cardcombinationsoutofadeckof52cardsifthere
isexactlyoneaceineachcombination.
twowaysofsolvingthis:
4C1X48C4
&
4(acecanbeselectedin4ways)X48(nextcardcanbeselectedin48ways)X47(nextcardcanbeselectedin47ways)X46(..)X45(..)
whichoneistherightwayandwhy?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,29October2010,04:00PM
HiAnkit
Firstoneiscorrect.
In the selection of five cards their arrangement doesn't matter but in your second method the four cards have
been ordered and that needs to be divided by 4! which will again fetch the same result as calculated by first
method.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitMittalFriday,29October2010,06:57PM
Thanksverymuchforclearingthedoubt,Igotitrightnowforthisone.ActuallyIamalwaysconfusedwhentoconsidertheorderandwhen
not.usuallyifarrangementisaskedinthequestionIconsidertheorderotherwisenot.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysaanthwanaTThursday,3February2011,06:37PM
ThisarticlereallyhelpedmetogetallthebasicsofP&C
Thankyouverymuch
Ithelpedmegetallthefundas..sothatIneednotdependon34sourcestogetknowledgeofsingleconcept
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysaanthwanaTTuesday,8March2011,09:30PM
Hello,
Ihavesmalldoubt
forpermutationswithsimilarobjectsweusetheformula
n!/(k1!k2!k3!....)
wherenthingsaretobearranged,amongwhich
k1isthenumberthingsofonetype
k2isthenumberofthingsof2ndtype
soon..........
nowwhenamongthenthingsabove,ifonlyrthingsaretobeselectedandarrangedthencanweusethebelowformula?
nPr/(K1!K2!.....Ki!)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNeelkamalBiswasThursday,28April2011,10:57AM
HiTG,
Inthesolvedexampleof5boys&5girlsinacinema,thetwowaysofsittingaregivenas:BGBGBGBGBG&GBGBGBGBGB
butwearenottakingintoaccountthepossibilityofGBGBGBGBBGaseveninthissituationnotwogirlssittogether.
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Theanswershouldthenbe:5!*6!asafterarranging5boystherearesixplacesinwhichthegirlscanbearranged
_B_B_B_B_B_
Pleaseadviseonthis.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,28April2011,07:08PM
HiNeelkamal
In the given example: it should be the desire of the girls also that they won't let two boys sit together otherwise
yourversioniscorrect.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeeptisalujaMonday,2May2011,12:16PM
HiKamal,
Canuplsposttheanswerstotheproblemsmentionedabove(PnC),otherwisehowdoicheckwhich1isrightnwhich1iswrong.Plshelp.
Thanks
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,2May2011,04:40PM
HiDeepti
We intentionally don't provide the answers/solutions to problems so that you can always relish the taste of
problem solving. Also most of the problems have been discussed already many times in above posts. If you are
unable to solve some question or have some doubt in a particular question, you are more than welcome to
discuss.Butpleasedon'tpressurizetoprovideanswerstoalltheproblems.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeeptisalujaTuesday,3May2011,05:53PM
HiKamal,
Thanksforthequickreply.
Pleasehelpinthesedoubts:
Q4licenseplates,igot26^3*220,what'sthecorrectanswer?
pleasemakemeunderstand,icouldnotsolvethese.
Q134personsbechosenfromarowof10persons,stnotwopersonsaresittingnexttoeachother.
Q15IndiannJapaneseteams
Q263blocksof5seatseach,20seatsinarow..
ThanksNRegards,
Deepti
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamWednesday,4May2011,02:39PM
HiDeepti
4.Youransweriscorrectandsurprisinglyit'snotgivenintheoptions.(Thoughwehavealreadycorrectedinourassignmentsat
TathaGat)
13.Letsmakesittheremaining6personsof10.Nowwearetoselect4placesonlyoutof7availablefromwhere
thechosen4personswerepickedwhichcanbeeasilydoneinC(7,4)=35ways.Option(b)iscorrect.
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15.WearetojustdeterminethenumberofarrangementsofI,I,I,I,J,J,Jwhichisgivenby7!/(4!)(3!)orC(7,
3)=35.Option(a)iscorrect.
26.Justplacethose3blocksof5seatseach,sothatyouhaveusednow15seatsandremaining5seatsaretobe
distributedamongthefourgapsonly.That'sequivalenttofindthenumberofwholenumbersolutionofa+b+c
+d=5whichisgivenbyC(5+41,41)=C(8,3)=56.
Hopethisisclear.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynikitadhanukaWednesday,11May2011,10:31PM
HiKamal
ihaveonenaggingdoubtincirculararrangements..
supposeifwehave6distinctbeads.then5!/2distinctnecklacescanbeformed.
howtogoaboutasimilarsumifsomeofthebeadsareidentical.
theexactquestionis:
"Anecklaceistobemadeusing6red,3blueand3greenbeadssuchthat,notworedbeadsareadjacenttoeachother.Allthebeadsofthesame
colourareidentical.Inhowmanywayscanthisnecklacebeformed?"
thewayiapproachedthesum...alltheredbeadscanbearrangedinonly1way.thisleaves6spacesbetweenthem.thesespaceshavetobefilled
withtheremaining3blueand3greenbeads.nowiamstuck..thiscanbedonein(5!/2*3!*3!)waysor(6!/2*3!*3!)ways??
pleaseexplain..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,13May2011,03:32PM
HiNikita
In the numerator part there will be surely 5! and not 6! but why are you putting a 2 in denominator. Kindly
expressyourthoughts.
KamalLohia
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bydestinyunruledFriday,13May2011,10:30PM
HiNikita
Incaseofcircularpermutationsifwehaveidenticalthingsthenitgetsverycomplicated.
Forthetimebeingletsnotconsiderthenecklacecaseandjustconsiderthepermutationsof6red,3blue,and3greenbeadsaroundacirclesuchthat
notworedbeadsareadjacenttoeachother.
Luckilyherewejusthavetoarrangetheblueandgreenbeadsbetweenredbeadsasnotworedbeadscanbetogether.
So,nowtheproblemreducestopermuting3blueand3greenbeadsaroundacircle.
Hence,answershouldbe5!/(3!*3!),butitsnotaninteger.
Thatmeanssomethingiswrong.
So,letsgobacktobasics.Whydowedividebynwhilecountingcircularpermutationstoget(n1)!permutations.
Becausewecangetndifferentpermutationsbyrotatingaparticulararrangement,butactuallytheyaresame.Thatswhywedividebyn.Thisisthe
casewhenwehavealldifferentobjects(herewehave"rotationalperiodofn"*).
*Rotationalperiodofnmeansthatifyourotateitntimesitgoestoanindistinguishablestatefromthefirstone
Now,supposewehave3redballsand3blackballs.Nowherewecanhavecaseswhenwehaverotationalperiodof1or2or3or6(factorsof6).
But1isnotpossiblecozthenweshouldhaveallballsofsamecolor.
Also3isnotpossibleasthenweneedtohaveequalgroupsofthreeballswhichmeansbyPigeonholetheremustbeatleast2ballsofsomecolor
Henceatleast4ballsofthiscolorinall,whichisnotpossiblesincetheremustbe3ofeachcolor.Hence,onlypossibilitiesare2or6
BGBGBGhasarotationalperiodof2,whileallothercaseshaverotationalperiodof6.
Saytherearexcasesofrotationalperiodof6,then
6*x+2*1=C(6,3)=20
=>x=3
=>Therewillbejust4distinctpermutationsof3redballsand3blackballsaroundacircle.
So,ifyouwantstosolveasimilarkindofquestion,thenjustfindthenumberofdifferentpermutationsof6blackchairsand6whitechairsarounda
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bydestinyunruledFriday,13May2011,10:51PM
Sorry,Iforgottosolveitfornecklace.
Incaseofnecklace,BBGBGGandGGBGBBwillalsolookalike,asnowwecanlookatthenecklacefromthebacksidealso.
So,only3possiblepermutations.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bytgdel156tgSunday,22May2011,11:57PM
HelloSir!
Pleaseletmeknowthesolutiontoquestionsinvolvingtheequation
like
1)3x+y+z=40wherex,y,zarepositiveinteger
2)x+y+z=10ifx,y,zaredistincepositiveintegers.
3)x+y+z>=10===>x+y+zk=10
ThankYou
Gaurav
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynikitadhanukaWednesday,25May2011,05:46PM
hikamal
ihavedividedby2asthenecklaceisinanimateandcanbeflippedover.so,forevery2differentcirculararrangements,weactuallyhaveonlyone
necklace.hence,dividedthetotalno.ofpossiblecirculararrangementsby2togettheno.ofdistinctnecklaces.
eveniwasinclinedtowards5!/3!*3!*2astheanswer.but,thisisobviouslywrongasitdoesn'tgiveanintegervalue.
thebookgivestheansweras6!/3!*3!*2.iamnotbeingabletounderstandthelogicbehindthis.
iwillappreciateifyoucandiscussyourapproachforthissum.andalsoifyoucanshedsomelightonthesekindofsumsingeneral...circular
arrangementofthings,someofwhichareidentical.
thanks,
nikita
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bynikitadhanukaWednesday,25May2011,05:56PM
HiDestiny
thanksfortakingthetimeout.thebookgivestheansweras6!/3!*3!*2whichworksouttobe10.
iamstillprettyconfusedinthisregard.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydestinyunruledThursday,26May2011,12:56AM
HiNikita
I'mprettysurethattheansweris3andnot10.
DidyougetthelogicItriedtoexplaininmylastpost???
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,26May2011,05:36PM
HiGaurav
1.xvariesfrom1to12andnumberofsolutionsforxandyineachcaseformanAP.Youjustneedtoaddthem
togetthetotalnumberofsolutions.Itcomesouttobe3(1+2+3+...+12)=234.
2.Youcaneasilycounttheorderedtripletsbyassigningvaluestoxas1,2,...,7thatcomesouttobe24.
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ORjustcounttheorderedtripletswhenallthethreevariablesarepositiveintegersi.e.C(9,2)=36.Andsubtract
the cases when any two of the variables are same (e.g. 11.., 22.., 33.., 44..). So removing 3*4 = 12 ordered
tripltsfromtotal36,weareleftwith24orderedtripletsofthreedistinctpositiveintegerswhichaddupto10.
3. I am sure that there is some error in question because for the stated question answer is going to be infinitely
large. See If x + y + z 10, that means the solutions when x + y + z = 10 will be added to the number of
solutionsofx+y+z=11,...andsoon.Sothereisnoendandtheansweris (infinity)forsure.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNikunjBajajSunday,21August2011,02:56PM
Ihaveadoubt:
Inthequestionwhereweneedtopaint6facesofthecubewith6differentcolors,whyhavewenotmultipliedtheoutcomewith6?
whenwefixedthefirstcolor,itcouldhavebeendonein6ways..
whatmimissing?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysowmyakMonday,22August2011,11:39PM
HiTG
cameacrossthisforumdamntoolate butsimplybrilliantareyourlessonsandtips...asmuchaboutbasicsandfoundationastheyareabout
tricksandshortcutsminusanyheavydutyformulae..alotofmyfriendstooarehookedontothissitenowenroutemeofcourse)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byanupamchaturvediWednesday,24August2011,03:07AM
HiTG,
Itsawonderfularticle.ThisisthefirsttimeIhavebeenabletounderstandP&C,thatfearhassomewhatvanishednow..!!
StilltherearequietafewthingsthatIcouldn'tunderstand.
1)No.ofwaysofdistributing'n'similarobjectsinto'r'similargroups.
2)No.ofwaysofdistributing'n'distinctobjectsinto'r'similargroups.
andafewquestionsthatI'llpostsoon.
Lookingaheadforyourreplyonabove2problems!
Thanksatoninadv.!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byketavsharmaWednesday,7September2011,12:07AM
comeonmansolvedallquestionswhereisthesolution
Iwashighlydisappointedafterseeingnokey
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyankajWednesday,7September2011,11:50AM
Sir,
1)Isdansof"godboybadboymovie"quesis8*6!=5760
2)Indnextquesof"electionmeeting".HowwudweknowhowmanyMP,MLAarethereoutof10speaker.Notable
tounderstanddsol.Plzexplain.
3)INdquesfirst0precedesfirst1,precedesdfirst2.Doesitmeanfrst0pecedesfrst1&2oritmeansfrst0precedsfrst
1&first1precedsfrst2.
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Pleasehelpmeout.
Thanks
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bypriyankajWednesday,7September2011,11:53AM
ketav,
ucangetanshere
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarThursday,29September2011,07:37PM
DearTGSir/kamalSir,
Whatistheanswertothisproblem
Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleastoneball?
Myansweris240.
regards
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarThursday,29September2011,08:24PM
DearTGsir/KamalSir,
Thearticleisawesome!!!
CanyoupleaseprovidethesolutiontoQ23(c),Q27,Q28.
CanyoupleaseconfirmtheanswertoQ29,myansweris2^20.
Regards,
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykrishnadevkashidThursday,29September2011,09:06PM
verygoodelaborationofconcepts..thanksalot....!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,30September2011,11:48AM
HiAmit
Please post the question statements here so that it becomes easier for everyone to try their hands at the
problems.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarFriday,30September2011,04:38PM
DearKamalSir,
Pleaseanswerthefollowingqueries:
Q.23(c)InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtiveUs?
Myansweris240.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
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Q.27Thereare50juniorsand50seniors.Eachclasshas25menand25women.Inhowmanywayscanan8personcommitteebechosensothatit
includes4womenand3juniors?
Pleasesolvethisquestion.
Q.28Inhowmanywayscan2npeoplebedividedinnpairs?
Myansweris(2n)!/(n!(2^n)).Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Q.29Ihavetwocheckoutregisters,andtwentycustomers.WhatformulawillfindhowmanydifferentwaysIcanarrangethem?Orderdoesmatter.
Myansweris2^20.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Q.36Ifcombinationsoflettersbeformedbytaking5lettersatatimeoutofthelettersoftheword"METAPHYSICS",inhowmanyofthemwillT
letteroccur?
Myansweris210.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Q.37Howmanysequencesa1,a2,a3,a4,a5satisfyinga1<a2<a3<a4<a5canbeformedifaimustbechosenfromtheset{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?
Myansweris126.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Q.Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleastoneball?
Myansweris240.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Thanks&Regards,
Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,30September2011,05:34PM
HiAmit
Q.23(c)InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtive
Us?
Lookafterplacing3Uswehave4boxes(_U_U_U_)whichmustbecontainingtheotherfourdifferentletterswith
the condition that the middle two boxes have atleast one letter each. So we need to find the whole number
ways of distributing 2 letters among 4 boxes i.e. C(5, 3) = 10 ways. As all the four letters are different so they
canbearrangedamongthemselvesin4!=24ways.Sothefinalnumberofways=240.
Q.27Thereare50juniorsand50seniors.Eachclasshas25menand25women.Inhowmanywayscan
an8personcommitteebechosensothatitincludes4womenand3juniors?
We have 50 Juniors (25M + 25W) and 50 Seniors (25M + 25W) and need to select a team of 8 person which
includes 4 women and 3 juniors (atleast or exactly is not mentioned). Assuming exactly, then we have the
followingcases:
4W+4Mfrom3J+5S
J3WandS4M+1WC(25,3)C(25,4)C(25,1)
J2W+1MandS3M+2WC(25,2)C(25,1)C(25,3)C(25,2)
J1W+2MandS2M+3WC(25,2)C(25,1)C(25,3)C(25,2)
J3MandS1M+4WC(25,3)C(25,4)C(25,1)
Q.28Inhowmanywayscan2npeoplebedividedinnpairs?
IthasbeenclearlytaughtinTG'slessonthatrequirednumberofwaysare(2n)!/(n!2).
Q. 29 I have two checkout registers, and twenty customers. What formula will find how many
differentwaysIcanarrangethem?Orderdoesmatter.
First customer has 2 choices, next has 3 choices, next has 4 choices and the 20th have 21 choices. So answer is
21!
Restlater.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarFriday,30September2011,06:19PM
DearKamalSir,
THANKYOU forthedetailedandlucidexplanation.BythewaycanyoupleasediscusstheremainingpossibilitiesofQ27.
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Waitingfortherest.
Thanks&Regards,
Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitguptaFriday,30September2011,08:05PM
Inthequestion:howmanyfourletterscanbeformedfromthewordMathemeticswhyarethesubdividingtheproblemsintogroupsandthensolving
?Can'twedirectlyuse11P4??
Also,similarapproachisusedforthe3students3cityquestion?
wouldliketoknowthereasonforit?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarSunday,2October2011,11:09PM
DearKamalSir,
Pleaseletmeknowtheanswersfortheremainingquestions:
Q.36Ifcombinationsoflettersbeformedbytaking5lettersatatimeoutofthelettersoftheword"METAPHYSICS",inhowmanyofthemwillT
letteroccur?
Myansweris210.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Q.37Howmanysequencesa1,a2,a3,a4,a5satisfyinga1<a2<a3<a4<a5canbeformedifaimustbechosenfromtheset{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?
Myansweris126.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Q.Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleastoneball?
Myansweris240.Canyoupleaseconfirm?
Thanks&Regards,
Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,3October2011,01:46PM
HiAmit
WhataretheremainingpossibilitiesforQ27?Check.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,3October2011,04:53PM
HiAmit
Q. 36 If combinations of letters be formed by taking 5 letters at a time out of the letters of the word
"METAPHYSICS",inhowmanyofthemwillTletteroccur?
HereweneedtofindoutthenumberofcaseswhenweareselectingaTforsurewhileselecting5lettersoffthe
wordMETAPHYSICS.
So other than T we must be selecting 4 more letters and we just need to find the number of ways of selecting 4
more letters. Now there are two cases: when all the four letters are different i.e. C(9, 4) = 126 ways and when
twolettersaresame(i.e.bothareS)andothertwoaredifferenti.e.C(8,2)=28ways.
Sototalcasesmustbe126+28=154ways.
Q.37 How many sequences a1, a2, a3, a4, a5 satisfying a1<a2<a3<a4<a5 can be formed if ai must be
chosenfromtheset{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?
ItissimplyC(9,5)=126ways.
Because in C(9, 5) ways you select five different numbers from the available 9 and arrange them(according to
desiredorder)inonlyonepossibleway.
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Q.Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleast
oneball?
Therewillbeonebox(whichcanbeselectedin4ways)containingtwoballs(whichcanbeselectedinC(5,2)=10
ways)andtheremainingthreeballscanbearrangedinthreedifferentboxesin3!=6ways.
Sorequirednumberofwaysare=4106=240.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarTuesday,4October2011,12:22AM
ThankyouKamalsirforallyourexplainations.yourwayofexplainationisawesome....simpleandclear!!!
Ireallyappreciateyourhelp.
Regards,
Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,4October2011,01:24PM
HiAmitGupta
Theproblemisofrepetitivecounting.Trytocheckallthecasesandfindtherepetition.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byMohitSharmaWednesday,9May2012,01:05PM
HiKamalSir,
CanyoupleaseexplainthefollowingtwoquestionsasI'munabletosolvethem,
Q1)From4gentlemenand4Ladiesacommitteeof5istobeformed.Committeeconsistsofapresident,avicepresidentandthreesecretaries.
Findthenumberofwaysofselectingthecommitteewithamaximumof2womenandhavingatthemaximumonewomanholdingoneofthetwo
postsonthecommittee.
a)16
b)512
c)608
d)256
e)324
Q2)Thecrewofan8memberrowingteamistobeselectedfrom12men,ofwhich3mustrowononesideonlyand2mustrowontheotherside
only.Findthenumberofwaysofarrangingthecrewwith4membersoneachside.
a)40320
b)30240
c)60840
d)10080
e)Noneofthese
Pleasehelpmesir.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamWednesday,9May2012,04:44PM
HiMohit
Mostimportantpartistogetthecorrectinterpretationofthequestionandthenframingthesolution.
1. What I interpret from the given information is that you are to choose 5 members from 4 M and 4W to form a
committee.Ofthesefivemembersoneisapresident,onevicepresidentandotherthreearesecretaries.
Now conditions mentioned are there should be maximum of 2W i.e. cases can be 4M1W or 3M2W. Another
condition is that maximum one women holds one of the two posts. Here what i interpret from the two posts is
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post of president/vicepresident. That means cases will be that no woman is president or vicepresident AND
exactlyonewomanispresidentorvicepresident.
Nowcomputingthefirstcase:4M1W(i)nowomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,1)43=48
(ii)onewomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,1)2C(4,1)=32
Secondcase:3M2W(i)nowomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,3)C(4,2)C(3,1)2=144
(ii)onewomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,3)C(4,2)C(2,1)C(3,1)2=288
Sototalcasesare=48+32+144+288=512
2. Again here I assume that these 3, which must row on one side and 2, which must row on other side are to be
chosen certainly. That means I just need to choose 3 more out of 7 remaining in C(7, 3) ways. Now out of the
three newly selected members one should be sent to 3 together's and remaining to other side with 2 together's
whichcanbedoneinC(3,1).Nowthesegroupscanbearrangedamongthemselvesin4!each.
Sototalcasesare=C(7,3)C(3,1)4!4!=60480.
IhopeIhaven'tcreatedanyconceptual/calculationalerror.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byMohitSharmaThursday,10May2012,10:43AM
thankyoukamalsir,
Ireallydidn'tunderstoodthequestion...thanksalot...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPrernaGolaniTuesday,15May2012,03:52PM
HiTG
Inhowmanywayssixdifferentfacesofcubebepaintedindifferentcolor
whycantanswerbe6*5*4*3*2*1
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,15May2012,05:37PM
HiPrerna
It would have happened if all the faces of cubes are different or differently named. But that is not the case, so
youneedtoremovetheidenticalones.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPrernaGolaniSunday,20May2012,04:05PM
butitiswrittensixdifferentfaces
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynehaaggarwalThursday,31May2012,02:16PM
HiKamalSir
Q.23(c)InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtiveUs?
Lookafterplacing3Uswehave4boxes(_U_U_U_)whichmustbecontainingtheotherfourdifferentletterswiththeconditionthatthemiddletwo
boxeshaveatleastonelettereach.Soweneedtofindthewholenumberwaysofdistributing2lettersamong4boxesi.e.C(5,3)=10ways.Asall
thefourlettersaredifferentsotheycanbearrangedamongthemselvesin4!=24ways.Sothefinalnumberofways=240.
Inaboveexplanationididnotgetthecondition?Andsolutiontoit..AsinhowdidUgetC(5,3)?
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byTGTeamThursday,31May2012,02:45PM
HiNeha
Ifyoudidn'tgetthatway,noprobs.Hereisanother.
See,thatnotwoU'saretotobetogether.Sofirstarrangetheremainingfourletters(i.e.N,S,AandL)in4!=
24 ways. Now between these four letters (including at ends) we have exactly five places at which U's can be
placed.
Remember that at no place two U's can be together. So we need to select exactly 3 places out of these 5 in C(5,
3)=10wayssuchthatnotwoU'saretogether.
Hencethetotalnumberofwaysis=2410=240.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySowmyanarayananPFriday,1June2012,01:27PM
Clearexplanationsir,thanks..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanikbhardwajMonday,4June2012,11:28PM
HelloKamalSir,
Pleasehepmewithbelowmentionedquestions:
Inaclassof12students,7boysand5girls.Theclasshas4sessionseachday,oneeachofarithmetic,algebra,geometryand
probability.Theseclassesaretobeheldoneaftertheotherin4distincttimeslotsandcanbeinanysequence.Furtherthereare2
teachersavailableandtheycanteachanytopic.
1.ifthesequenceofclasshastobearithmetic,algebra,geometryandprobability,thenwhatisnumberofdistinctwaysinwhichthe
sessioncanbeplannedforentireweek.
Inhowmanydistinctwayscanasessionbescheduledfortwoconsecutivedaysif
2.
boththeteachershavetohaveequalno.ofsessions..?
mytake(24*2^4)*(24*2^4)
3.theentireclassof12studentsisdividedequallyintotwodofferentdivisionsandsessiosnareschedulesforthesetwodivisions2ithclassesbeing
heldsimultaneouslyin2classrooms..inhowmanywayscansessionbeplannedforthesetwodivisionsforparticularday?
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byTGTeamWednesday,6June2012,02:04PM
HiManik
1. As sequence of class is fixed, so we are now to arrange for the teachers only at a paricular time slot. Now in
oneday,atanytimeslot,theteachercanbeassignedin2ways.Sonumberofwaysofassigningteacherinone
dayis=24waysandfortheentireweekis=228ways.
2. When both the teachers have to have equal number of sesions on two consecutive days i.e. we have eight
sessionswhichmustbeassignedtothetwoteachersequallyi.e.4sessionseachwhichcanbeachievedinC(8,4)
ways. Also the topics can be scheduled in the two days in 4! ways each. So the required number of ways are =
(4!)C(8,4)=8!
3. Now we are to schedule two parallel classrooms and topics can be arranged for both of them in 4! ways each
andteacherscanbeassignedtobothin24waysintotal.Hencetotalnumberofwaysrequiredare=(4!)24.
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Remember that in all these questions, a session referred to a particular topic arranged at a particular time slot
taughtbyaparticularteacheronly.Studentsdon'tmatterinschedullingofthesession.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanikbhardwajWednesday,6June2012,02:35PM
ThanksalotKamalSir.
Myanotherdoubtinthistopisis,likeforabovequestionmentionedbyneha:
InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtiveUs?
Ihaveoneconfusionforthesolutiongivenbyu,likehere_n_s_a_l_,notwou'saretogether,soobviousansweris4!*C(5,3)=24*10=240.
But,asperquestionnotwou'scanbetogether,butNSALcanbetogether,like_NS_A_L_,hereanswerwouldblike4!*C(4,2)=24*6=144.
Mytakeforthisquestionislike,tonormalpermutationwithall7letters7!/3!
ThennoofwayswhenallU'saretogether,5!=120
therefor,whennotwou'saretogether=840120=720,
Pleasecorrectmeifiamwrong..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byarsharoraThursday,7June2012,05:38AM
himanik,
seeyouareincludingthecaseswhenonlytwou'saretogether,whicharetobediscarded,there'stheflaw!!asuhadjustdebarredthecasesin
whichalluaretogetherandin5c3approachuwillseethecasewhichuhadmentionedisalreadyincorporated,asweareselectingthe3blanksoutof
5blanks,hopeitsclearnow
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanikbhardwajThursday,7June2012,01:11PM
Hiarsh,
wellIamincludingallthethreeu'stogether,perhapstherearetotal7letters,3takentogetherwhicharetobecountedasoneandtherest4letters,
sotheinallthesumcomesto5.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynehaaggarwalThursday,21June2012,11:42PM
HiTGSir/KamalSir,
Howshouldweapproachsuchquestions?:
x+y+z=120.x,y,z<60number=""of=""integral=""/>
Thisisatype..Ireallygetconfusedinidentifyingthecases..Hopeammakingsense..Pleaseexplaintheapproach..
Thanks,
Neha
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Thankstoalltheauthorsndcontributingfolks
byKanwarSinghThursday,5July2012,02:45PM
greatwork......
ButjustoneSHIKAYAT.....
Wewantmoreofthesegreatarticles
Pleasefindsometime!!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAkashKumarWednesday,29August2012,04:23PM
Ithinktheanswerwillbe
720*2*2*2
10arethereintotal...1couplewillsitatonecornerandotheratanothercornerso720arrangement
2couplescanalsointerchangeseatsamongthemselvesin2ways
Couplecanalsochangesseatsin2waysas2couplearethere2*2
Pleasecorrectifiamwrong
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypooragadhaFriday,31August2012,04:59AM
Inthequewhereboysandgirlsgoforspidermanmovie
whycantbethereanarrangmentgbbgbgbgbg
stillnogirlissittingtogether
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAloSanyalTuesday,4September2012,12:55PM
HiTG,
Thisisareallyfantasticarticle! I'dreallyappreciatesomemorehelp.Canyoupleaseexplainhowtofindouttherankofastringwhenrepetition
ofcharactersisallowed?
Forinstance,ifIhavethelettersR,D,S,Bandrepetitionofthelettersisallowed,thenthenumberof4letterstrings=4X4X4X4=256.Sohowdo
Ifindoutwhatisthe110thstring?
Regards,
Alo
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrimmirimmiFriday,21September2012,11:22PM
inthequestionofmultiplechoicetestwith5choices,ithinkthereare6possiblewaysofansweringthequestionsinsteadof5asapersoncanalso
leavethequestion/sunansweredwhichithinkisthe6thwayofdoingaquestion.
thereforesolutionwillbe...6^30
butiamnotsure,sopleaseletmeconfirmthatmyapproachiscorrectornot..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRishabhsinglaSunday,23September2012,11:25AM
Greatarticle...thanksatonTG...yourarticlesmotivatetostudymoreasconceptsseemstobesosimple....
Ihaveaquestion,ifyouoranyonecanhelpmeout...
Inhowmanyways25ballscanbeselectedoutof15identicalredballs,20identicalblueballsand25identicalgreenballs?
MyApproach:consider3personsA,B,CtowhomIhavetodistributetheseballs.So,Idistributeallballs,say15RedtoA,20BluetoBand25
GreentoC.Total=60.
NowIcantakeout35outofthemaswewantonly25ballsintotal.
so,findingsolutionofequationx+y+z=35shouldgiveanswer.Butmyanswercomingwrong.Correctansweris281.CananyonetellmewhereIam
goingwrong.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySumitAnandMonday,24September2012,12:11AM
Here,
r+b+g=25
totalways=27c2=351
Now
r
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRishabhsinglaWednesday,26September2012,01:27AM
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HiSumit,
thanksforreplyingbutIdidntgotyou..whereyougot27C2from?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byscroozescroozeWednesday,26September2012,06:06PM
Awesomearticle..nowords..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydimpunSaturday,29September2012,10:49PM
Inhowmanywayscan4personsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsonfourdifferentseats
InTG'sarticlehetookdifferentcasesoftaking
1)4boys2)3boys1girl3)2boys2girls4)1boy3girls
andcalculatedtheansweras1680
thereisnodifferencetoplaceagirloraboy
infirstseatwecanplaceanyofthe8persons
insecondseatwecanplaceanyofthe7persons
inthirdseatany6andinfourth5
ans:8*7*6*5=1680
Igotthesameanswerbutiamjustwonderingiftheapproachisrightareweneedtotakedifferentcases.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymunjalupadhyaySaturday,6October2012,06:05PM
firstthankyouforthewonderfullarticle..Ihaveadoubtthat,,intheexampleofhowmanyevendigitsarethatwhichareevenandhaveno
repeteddigits..Question:howdoIreliazethatIneedtotaketwocasehere,,ifIaminexamhall,Idon'tthinkthatIgetthestrikeinmymind..
ifthereisanytrickforthisthenpleasedelivertome..thankyou...
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PermutationandCombination
byRahulAgarwalTuesday,23October2012,06:21PM
Thereare20seatsonacirculartable10oneitherside.20personshavetobeseatedsuchthat5particularpeoplewanttositon1sideand4
particularpeoplesitontheotherside.whatarethetotalnumberofways?
Pleaseanswerthisquestion
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTheDumbestWednesday,3April2013,07:05PM
Hisir,
Forgivemeforbeingnaive..thrisanexamplewheretherearecomputeruserpasswordswhereapasswordcouldbe6,7or8charlong...canthisques
notbeattemptedlikethis...
letstakethecaseforapasswordwith6char..nowoneofthesecharhastobeadigitsothereare10ways...andfortherestfivecharitcouldbea
capitalalphabetoradigit(26+10waysforeverychar)..so10*36^5....
similarlyaddtothistheresultsforcaseswhrpasswordsare7and8charlong..?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrahulkankariyaThursday,27June2013,07:44PM
howmanyarrangementsof60's,51'sand42'sarethereinwhich
1)thefirst0precedesthefirst1?
2)thefirst0precedesthefirst1,precedesthefirst2?
3)thefirst0precedesthefirst2?
whatistheansweroflasttwoquestions??
andcanuplzguidemewiththesolution..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySankarshanSridharanWednesday,17July2013,02:35PM
HiTG,
Iamabigfanofyourarticles.Theyarelucidandveryinformative.RecentlyIcameacrossaproblemwhichledmetoanotherproblem.Thisiswhat
Iwant.
Ihavesixalphabetsa,b,c,d,e,fwiththefollowingrelationship
a>b(pair)
c>d(pair)
e>f(pair)
Nowhowmanypermutations/arrangementsofa,b,c,d,e,farepossiblesuchthatthehighernumberofthe"pair"alwaysprecedesthelowernumberof
the"pair".
Forexampleacbdefisapermutation,ecfdabisanotherpermutation.Howmanypermutationswillpreservethisrelationship?
WarmRegards,
Shanky
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySankarshanSridharanThursday,18July2013,06:00PM
HiAll,
Gotmyquestionansweredthroughanotherforum.Solutioniselegant.Thereare720differentwaysofarranginga,b,c,d,e,f.
Inexactlyhalfoftheseawillbebeforeb.CallthisSETX.InexactlyhalfofSETXcwillbebeforedandthisbeSETY.InexactlyhalfofSETYewill
bebeforef.So720/(2^3)=90isthesolution.
WarmRegards,
Shanky
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDushyantAgarwalMonday,22July2013,04:00PM
Under'Permutation'section:
QInhowmanywayscanyouseatnboysinrseats?
InthisquestionyouhavementionedthatitcanbedoneinnPrways.Howevermydoubtiswhatifn<r?DoIneedtotakeit(n>r)asan
assumption?OrelseitwouldberPn.
Ibelieve,Iammissingonsomeconcept.Canyoupleaseclarifymydoubt?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRachitPandeSaturday,3May2014,11:28AM
HiTG,
ForTheexamplewith5boysand5girlsweneedtosatisfytheconditionsthateachboysitswithagirlandnotwogirlssittogether.Thequestion
doesnotasktomakethemsitalternatively.So,IfeelthatthecaseforGBGBGBGBBGisalsopossibleandsimilarothercases.sointotalifwefirst
fix5boysin5!waysthenwehav6placetofixgirlswhichcanbedonein6P5waysthustotalcountcomesto5!x6!=86400
PlztellmeifIamwrong.
Rachit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,13May2014,01:37PM
HiRachit
Youranswerandapproachiscorrect.I'llfixitthere.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAakashGuptaSunday,8June2014,11:23PM
HelloTG,
Inthekindofproblemwithunitcoefficient
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a1+a2+a3.....+ar=n(constant),
thenumberofsolutionsare=C(n+r1,r1)incasea1,a2..ar>=0&thenumberofsolutionsare=C(n1,r1)incasea1,
a2..ar>=1
there'snoupperlimitonvariableonleftsidehere.
Butwhatifthere'sanupperlimitonvariablelike
Question:Adiceisrolled3times.Whatarethenumberofwaysinwhichthesumofnumbersappearingonthediceis12?
Here,lettheoutcomesbea,bandc.
therefore,a+b+c=12,where1<=a,b,c<=6
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysravanijagantiMonday,23June2014,11:19PM
sircanyoupleasegiveusarticleonpermutationsaroundregularandirregularpolygons.i,ethenumberofwaysofarrangingpeoplearoundatableof
'n'sides,aroundarectangle.suchkindofpermutations.pleasereplysoonaspossiblesir.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,24June2014,02:30PM
HiAakash
Maximumvaluewhicha,b,ccangetis6,solet'sgiveeachofthema6.ButinthisdistributionIhavegivena
totalof18whileavailablequantitywas12only.Right?
SoIneedtotaketotalof6backfromthethree.
Let'ssayItakebacka'froma,b'frombandc'fromcsuchthat
a'+b'+c'=6wherea',b',c'arewholenumbersbutnoneofthemcanbezero.(Thinkwhy?)
It'seasynowtocalculatethis.Tryandrevertifyoufaceanydifficulty.
Myanswertothisoneis:C(6+31,31)3=C(8,2)3=283=25.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,24June2014,02:33PM
HiSravani
Abovearticledealswithallthevarietieswhichyouareaskingfor.Ifyouanyparticularquery,thenpleasepost
yourquestionsothateveryonecantrytheirhandsatit.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAbheekDasSunday,3August2014,10:55AM
(3^1/5+7^1/8)^100
Howmanytermsintheexpansionareintegers?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,4August2014,12:58PM
HiAbheek
Youonlyneedtofindintegralsolutionoftheequation5x+8y=100.
AndIamsurethatyoucandoiteasily.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAbheekDasMonday,4August2014,01:23PM
Myapproachforfindingtheintegralsolutiontotheequation:
5x+8y=100
100/productof5x8
Icantakeitastheproductsince5&8arecoprime.
Thisgivesmeroughly100/40=2.something
Sothenumberofintegralsolutionscouldbeeither2or3.
Secondstep,(1005x)/8=y
x=4,y=10
Nowxwillincreasebythecoefficientofyandywilldecreasebythecoefficientofx
Thepossiblevaluesare
x=4,y=10
x=12,y=5
x=20,y=0
Therefore,thenumberofintegralsolutionsfortheequationis3.
Question:Doesthismethodworkinallcasesorisitintrinsictotheproblemabovealsoshouldthisbetheidealmethodfordealingwithquestions
whichrequireyoutofindtheintegralsolutions
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,4August2014,01:28PM
Bothmethodsareperfectandareapplicableeverywhere.Stillsecondonewillgiveyouexactnumberofsolutions
whilefirstoneonlygiveahintfortheanswer.
KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDimpleMehtaMonday,3November2014,03:30PM
hiTG
thnxforsuchawonderfularticle...pleasetellmeifupostedanyarticleonIntegralSolution??Icouldn'tfinddat..plshlpmeindatconcept..
thnx
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byMadhurajTripathiSaturday,21March2015,09:09PM
Canyouexplainthefollowingtermsplease:
4*3inC(4,1)43.
C(4,1)inC(4,1)2C(4,1)
C(3,1)2inC(4,3)C(4,2)C(3,1)2
C(2,1)C(3,1)inC(4,3)C(4,2)C(2,1)C(3,1)2
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