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PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaSunday,17August2008,11:13AM

Dagnyhasbeentellingmesmuglythatit'snowmyturntowriteanarticle.SoIdecidedtowriteoneas
soonaspossibleandpassthebuckbacktoher.Webothknowthatittakesalotofpaintoresearchforan
articleandwritethetextsowebothtrytoavoiditforaslongaspossible.Ontheotherhand,sinceweboth
enjoywritingandliketopublishawellfinishedchapter,webothundertakethetaskeagerlyoncetheballis
inourcourt.Writingthesechaptershavemademerealizehowtrueisthemaxim"ifyouwanttolearn
somethingwell,teachit."IcancitealotoftopicswhichIlearntwhileteachingintheclassoranswering
students'questions.Theseyearsofteachinghavemadesomanytopicsseemprettychildishtomewhich
werenightmarestomebefore.Butknowingatopicwellandteachingitaretwodifferentballgames.Manya
times,IhavefoundmyselfstrugglingintheclasstomakeastudentunderstandsomethingwhichIhave
foundobvioustounderstand!Thefaultisnotonthestudent'spart.Threeorfouryearsago,Iwouldhave
beenstuckonthesamepoint!EverytimeIencounterasituationlikethis,myonlymeasureistostopatthat
point,retracemystepswiththestudentsandslowlyunravelthedifficultyhe'sfacing.Itworksmostofthe
times.Butsometimes,thestudentisinsomuchawewiththetopicthathismindgetsfrozen.Ihaveseen
thishappeningmanyatimes.Topicssuchastime,speedanddistance,PermutationandCombination,
geometryetc.inspiresomuchfearamongthestudentsthatsometimessimpleprinciples,whichtheywouldhaveotherwiseunderstooddo
notstrikethemassimple.Igetincessantqueriessuchas"Sir,timespeeddistancechhodsaktehain?,""Sir,permutationcombinationna
kareintochalega?"frommystudentsallthetime.Andthesadpartis,thatthelevelofCATinthesetopicsisverysimple.Theyaredoable.
Inthepresentchapter,IamtryingtopresentoneofthesedreadedchaptersasIunderstandit.Ihopemystudentsunderstandittoo.

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IshallhavetoendhereandleavetherestofitformyCBTClubstudents.Ishallcoversomeproblemsbasedon
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvamsikrishnaSunday,17August2008,12:23PM


Sir,

TatzaGEMOFANARTICLE
thnkz,

VaMsI
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitASunday,17August2008,05:22PM

Nowwhatdoisayotherthan"THANKSALOTTG!!!"
urock ....

Amit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitKumarSunday,17August2008,06:14PM


VeryVeryusefularticle..

Thanks

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byLeonidasSSunday,17August2008,06:20PM


HiTG,

Afabulousarticle.IthinkthereisamistakeinthesolutionofProb3ofthe4friendsproblem.

Itsays"Thetotalnumberofwaysinwhich4friendscanstaytogetheris

104"Ithinkitshouldbe10000asyoufoundoutearlier.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitKumarSunday,17August2008,09:40PM


HiTG,

Answerto'GoodBoyBadBoy'moviequestion:

Sincethesetwocoupleswanttosittogetherateitherend.Now,we'lltiethemtogether.Hence,totalnumberofstudentswillbe7outofwhich6
studentscansitin6x5x4x3x2x1=720ways.andthecouplecansitateitherends(i.e2ways)andthecouplescansitin2waysamongthemselves
andfinally,ineachcouple,boyandgirlcansitin2ways(BGandGB)(Total=2x2ways).Hence,Numberofwaysallcansitwillbe:

720x2x2x2x2=11520(Answer)

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byManikaTandonSunday,17August2008,10:41PM


heyTG...

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awesomepieceofwritingdude...ratherthanxdagnyforgivinghimapushtowriteit...:D

bothofuallrock..

cheers,

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAsHwInDrmzSunday,17August2008,11:02PM

hi....Tg....

G8article...thkusomuchforawonderfularticle,actuallyiwasworriedasuwerenotwritingarticlesforcat08students....butnwmsogladand
confidentdatmyallworrieswillvanish.Tgcanuplzwriteanarticleonprobabilitytoo....
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAshwinAMonday,18August2008,07:51AM

TGSir!
SimplyFantabulous!!JustwantedtoknowdouhaveaBookhavingalltopicsofQuant...IhavethebookonNumbertheorywhichinitself,isvery

good.!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDagnyTaggartMonday,18August2008,09:17AM

HeyManika,

TGplayedsmartthistime.Iaskedhimtowriteanarticlethreedaysbackhewrote,editedanduploadeditwithintwodays.Nowtheballisbackin

mycourt.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDiwakarBhaskarMonday,18August2008,09:47AM

ThnksalotTG...........
idonthavewordtosayanythingmore...................
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvamsikrishnaMonday,18August2008,11:13AM


HeyAmit,

PlRecheck

Shudn'tAnsbe720x2x2x2

1..sixstudentscanbearrangedin6!=720

2..The2couplescansitateitheroftheendsin2ways

3..andtheneachcoupleoneithersidecanexchangetheirseats..in2wayssotwocouplescandotatin2X2ways

regards,

VaMsI

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byKrushangShahMonday,18August2008,11:36AM

TG!!!

THANKSALOT

itsawonderfularticle.....
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byamitkumarMonday,18August2008,01:44PM


ThanksTG

AwesomeArticle.......

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynikhilkhandelwalMonday,18August2008,04:58PM


ThanksalotTG

Doingagreatjob

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrajdeepchoudhuriMonday,18August2008,05:46PM


HiTG,

Thearticleissimplymindblowing!!!PlzzzzzzzzpostanexerciseonPermutationandCombinationproblems.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bybryancoleTuesday,19August2008,12:59AM

Istheanswertoa+2b+3c.....totalnumberofelementsis36?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaTuesday,19August2008,03:37AM

HiRajdeep,

Abouttheexercise,haveyouseenthearticlecompletely?

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrajdeepchoudhuriTuesday,19August2008,04:22PM


Yes .ButifeelitwillbelotmorehelpfulifyoucangiveusanexerciseliketheoneonNumberSystemproblems,Imeanplentymoreproblemsto
solve.Alsowherecanigettheanswerstotheseproblems???

AnywysTGrocks!!!!

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRiyazIqbalWednesday,20August2008,11:03PM

HiTG,

Excellentarticle,asusual.I'veaquestionaboutthe'countingfunctions'problem.Theno.offunctionsfroma5elementsetto7elementsetshould
belessthan7^5,right?7^5simplyrepresentsthenumberoforderedpairs(x,y)fromfirstsettothesecond.Severalofthemmaycorrespondtoa
singlefunction.eg:(1,1)(2,2),...(5,5)arefivedistinctorderedpairsbutasinglefunctionvizy=x.AmImissingsomething?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byandsandsThursday,21August2008,07:22AM


ash,hiI'vejuststartedwiththeNumsystembutamfindingtheareavast,enomouslyhugeandthetopicsnotconcentratedfromaparticular
source.FromyourpostIseethatthereissomeconsolidatedresourcefortheNumsystemyoutalkinaboutoristhetheebookbyTGppl.Canyoupost
onthenamehere.ItwouldbesurehelpifIamtofindthebookandthecontentssatisfying.Thanks.....!!!!

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,21August2008,01:18PM

HiRiyaz,

Thereare75arrangements,andeveryarrangement,mapping5elementsofset1to7elementsofset2wouldbecountedasasinglefunctiononly.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byShaliniBThursday,21August2008,02:45PM

HiTG,

IhaveregisteredforyourCopycatexamsbypayingthroughcreditcardbutIamfacingproblemswhiletryingtowritetheexamonline.Ihavemailed
youlongbackaboutthis(tothecopycatemailIDandalsotoadminemailID).ButIhavenotreceivedanyanswerforthat.AndIcouldnotfindany
contactnumbertooonthissitewhereIcouldcallupandreportmyproblem.Pleaserespond.

ContentfrommypreviousmaildatedJuly30th2008toyoubelow:

MyproblemisthatwhenItriedtakingcopycat2thesitewasunresponsiveanddidnotnavigatetothenextpageatall.Itriedtakingtheexambut
whenIstartedwithitandenteredmyoptionsforthefirstpageandclickedontheNextbutton,thesitebecameveryslowanddidnotshowthenext
pageatall.Itriedseveraltimesbutitwasofnouse.Icheckedthebrowsercompatibilitytestanditsaidmysystemisfinefortakingthetestand
myinternetconnectionisgoodandallotherwebsitesareworkingfine.Iammightydisappointed.PleaselookintothisproblemASAP
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanoj1123Thursday,21August2008,04:06PM

HiTG,
ThoughIfeelnotoktowritehere,Iamalsofacingthesameproblem,notabletobrowsetonextpage.maybeifthepageremainsopenforsome
timetheconnectiontourserverbreaks.
PleasesendthepdffortheCOPYCATstomymailbeforehand.
SothatIcantakeprintandappearthetest..
Plzfindasolutionforus.

Thanks.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byLeonidasSFriday,22August2008,10:33PM

HiTG,

Thatwasanexcellentarticle

Canyoupleasepostsomearticlesonfunctions,logarithmsandprobability

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrakeshojhaSunday,24August2008,08:02PM


hidear

Firstofall..thnxalotforsuchanicecollectionsofquestionswhichhashelpedtobuildthefundamentalsofthistopic...

ijusthaveonedoubtinoneoftheexamples..abovewherewearegettingnumberof7didgitnumbers...inbinary.....thatpartisok...

butwhenthenumberisconvertedtodecimalbase....therewillbeotherconditionsaprtfromlast3digitsaszeros........sayabinarynowhen
convetedtodecimalandbecomes24...thatisdivisbleby8....

maybeimwrongsomewherebutplztellmewhyonlyyouhavetakentheconditionoflast3didgitsas0fordibisiblityby8...whynotother
conditions....

thnx

rakesh

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaSunday,24August2008,10:12PM

HiRakesh,

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Convert24tobinaryplease?

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarMonday,25August2008,01:31AM

HIALL,
question.>thereare10studentsoutofwhichthreeareboysandsevenaregirls,inhowmanydifferentwayscanthestudentsbepairedsuchthatno
pairconsistsoftwoboys?

Unabletosolvethis.Pleasehelpwidproperexplanation
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byIRONMANAMonday,25August2008,11:57AM

Thanksamillion forthebeautifularticleTG.

Ihaveasmalldoubt.Plzdoexplainme.

"Thereare6tasks&6persons.Task1cannotbeassignedeithertoperson1ortoperson2task2mustbeassignedeithertoperson3
orperson4.Everypersonmustbeassignedonetask.Inhowmanywayscantheassignmentbedone(CAT2006)?"

What'sthewronginmyprocedure....

Firstperson:Astask1&task2cannotbeassignedanyoftheother4taskscanbeassignedtohim4ways
SecondPerson:Astask1&task2cannotbeassigned,andonealreadyassigendtoPerson1,anyoftheother3taskscanbeassignedtohim3
ways
ThirdPerson&Fourthperson:oneofthesegetTask2.Theothergetsanyoftheother3.(oneoftasks1,3,4,5,6(leavingthetasksassignedto
Persons1&2)3ways
Fourth&FifthPersons:other2taskscanbeassignedin2ways.

total=4*3*3*2=72

Plzdoanswerme..thanksinadvance

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byarpisinMonday,25August2008,12:20PM

TG/Dagny
Wonderfulwork!!!
Iwasgoingthroughthenumbersystemquiz,andhaveadoubtinaquestion.WherecanIpostmyquery?

Regards
Arpita
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySurendranChandravathananMonday,25August2008,09:43PM


HiAmit,

Here'smytry...

1stApproach

1boycanpairupwid7girlsin7ways...Sofor3boys,totalno.ofwaysis21..And1girlcanpairupwid6othergirlsinn(n1)/2,ie,(7x6)/2=21
ways..(or)Just7C2=21willcedeutheanswer.

Sothefinalansis21+21=42ways..

[[OR]]

2ndApproach

Shouldthisproblembesolvedlikebelow....???

Toselect2pplfrom10,wecandoin10C2=45ways..Andarrangingtheminpairscanbedonein45x2=90ways..(or)juzwehavetoarrange2
placesoutof10whichcanbedonein10P2=90ways..

Andthen,3boyscanbepairedupin6ways..

Soisthefinalans906=84ways??????

Iamperplexed..

Whichansiscorrect,TG?????Appreciateurcomments.........

BestRgds,

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySurendranChandravathananMonday,25August2008,09:58PM


TGGGGGG,

Urartofsolving&simplifyingtheproblemsleavesmeinawebutitinvitesmoreconfusions.....

Iwudsaydatthebelowproblemcanbesolvedeasilybutusaiditisnotso..

Inhowmanywayscanfourpersonsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsonfourdifferentseats?

Nowsee,totallythrare8pplwherethey'vetobeseatedin4seats..

Sowon'tthenormalpermutationformulado???????

ie,8P4=1680ways....

Plzelucidatethefactforbreakingtheproblem&considering4casesinurapproach....

Thanksinadvance,

BestRgds,

Suren

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBlackiMonday,25August2008,11:38PM

HiTG,
Itisregardingthe'7digitbinarynodiv.by8whenconvertedtodecimalno'question.
Howcanonedecidethatthelast4bits,ifareequaltozerothenthenoisdivisibleby8whenconvertedtodecimal?
Supposethesamequestionasksaboutoctalnoinsteadofbinary,howshouldonedecideaboutit?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarTuesday,26August2008,10:21PM

Hi
Answeris630.giveanothertry.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byHarishBansalThursday,28August2008,12:51PM


HiTG,
Gr8article....
Plzpostthesolutionsoftheproblemsthatyouhavementionedinurartical...
Wewanttomatchouranswersandapproach.
AndplzcanupostsomethingonprobabilitypriortoCAT2008.

Eagrlywaitingforareply.........

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTuhinBanerjeeTuesday,2September2008,05:14PM


HiTG,it'srealyamindblowingarticleonpermutationandcombination.
Ihavequestiononthesametopicandhavetwodifferentapproaches,kindlytellmewhichonecorrect:
Question:Tenstudentshavebeenshortlistedtoformtwoteamsofsixstudentseach,suchthatthereareexactlythreecommon
betweenthetwoteams,Inhowmanywayscantheteamsbeformed.
Ans:
1stapproach:

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Threecommonstuedntswecantakeoutof10students= 10C3ways ,

Weneedtobuildeachgrouphaving6students,forthe1stGR.restofthe3studentswecantakeoutof7students= 7C3ways

So,1stGRcomplete,forthe2ndGRwecantakerestofthe3studentsoutofthe4studentsin= 4C3ways.
10C * 7C * 4C =16800
Total= 3 3 3

2ndApproach:

From10students,3studentscommonbetweenthetwoteamscanbeselectedin= 10C3ways.

since7studentsarestillleftandforeachteamweneed6students,Nowselectthestudent

willfindaplaceinneitherteamanditcanbedonein= 7C1ways.

Nowremaining6studentshavetodividedintotwogroupsof3eachanditcanbedonein

= 6C3/2

Nowtwoteamscanbeformed= 10C3* 7C1* 6C3/2=8400

pleasetellmewhereIammissingtheconcepts

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrudrasamalTuesday,2September2008,10:01PM


HiTG,

Intheexamplewhereuasked:

Howmanyarrangementsrdereofsix0's,five1'sandfour2's,where

(i)first0precedesfirst1?

shudnttheansbe343980andnot349380?....andthere'saneasierwayaswell.Itgoeslikethis:

totalarrangements=(15!/(4!*5!*6!))

soanswillbe=totalarrangements*(p/q)

whereq=allpossiblarrngmntsofthe1sand0s

p=arrngmntswhere0occupies1stposition

so,

q=11!/(6!*5!)

p=10!/(5!*5!)

ans=343980

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaWednesday,3September2008,10:49AM

HiRudra,

Correctedthetypingerror.Andgoodwaytosolvethequestion.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaWednesday,3September2008,10:51AM

HiTuhin,

Thesecondsolutioniscorrect.Firsthasrepetition.Pleasecheckthequestionof"threestateswiththreestudentsfromeachstate...."

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bybhageerathnWednesday,3September2008,10:30PM

hi
i'mhereforthefirsttime..thiswasprettyhelpful..howdoicrosscheckifigottherightanswers??willthesolutionsbeavailableforthequestions??
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bybhageerathnWednesday,3September2008,11:04PM

HiTG,
forthequestion
Inhowmanywayscanfourpersonsbeseatedoutoffiveboysandthreegirlson4differentseats?

shouldwetakethosecasesasmentionedbyyou??
whycantwedoitlikethis?

thereare8peopleinall..selectfourofthemin8c4ways(70ways).Nowyoucanarrangethesefourin4!ways(24ways).Sototalwaysis70*24=
1680.

isthereanythingwrongwiththisapproach??
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySydSThursday,4September2008,01:58PM


kudosforanotherbrilliantlystructuredandeditedarticle,,,!!!!

wasjustwonderingguysboutdisprob,,,
"inhowmanydiffwayscanthefacesofacubebepaintedin6diffcolors?"

shudntthenoofwaysbe6X5x3!,,
asthefirstfacecanbepaintedin6ways,,
ratherthanonly1way,,

juswanted2knw,,yisit5X3!ratherthan6X5x3!

thnx
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bybrijeshgogiaSaturday,6September2008,07:12PM

ThankYouforthisveryusefularticle.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byganeshpSunday,7September2008,08:41AM

ThatUVerymuchsir ..........asexpectedmysearchforthebestarticleonpermutationandcombinationdidendhere..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykladadasdaSunday,7September2008,08:44PM

justbeingcurious.areuvamseekrishnafromCSEIITKGP,class2006??

Ifyouarekindlyreplyback,itwouldbenicetoknowonemorefamiliarfaceatTG
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byManishKashyapTuesday,9September2008,07:56PM


HiTG,

MySolutionsare
1)a

2)c
3)b

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4)

5)c
6)

7)c

8)c
9)a

10)b

11)b
12)c

13)b
14)b

15)

16)
17)b

19)d

20)
21)c

22)16725
23)24
24)840
25)120

26)680
27)26!/2
28)45

29)21

30)35
31)5
32)7c2
33)33600
IwasnotabletosolvesomequestionsforwhichIhadnotputanyanswers.Canyoupleaseverifymyanswers
andtellmethesolutionsofwhicharewrongorwhichIwasnotabletosolve.

ThanksandRegards,
Manish

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitAroraWednesday,10September2008,05:27PM


HiTG,

Ihaven'tsolvedallthequestionstillnow...justwanttoconfirmtheanswersoffirst5ques..

1(a)

2(b)

3(d)

4.Imgetting(26^3)*220asmyanswer

5(c)

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byManishKashyapThursday,11September2008,03:09PM


HiTGSir,

Pleasecheckthesolutionspleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.Iamwaitingforsolutions.

ThanksandRegards,

Manish

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvamsikrishnaFriday,12September2008,04:25PM


Frns

Check/discussanswersforaboveproblems@
http://totalgadha.com/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=3683

VaMsI

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySaurabhShekharFriday,26September2008,09:59AM

HiTG,

CouldyoupleasepostthecompletesolutiontotheExercise.

Wearealleagerlywaitingforit.

Saurabh
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byVenkkatesanRSaturday,27September2008,04:44AM

Hisuren,

Ithinkthequestioninvolvesjusttheselection.Hencethearrangementisnotrequired.Hence10c23c2=453=42istheanswer.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byarvindjenamaniSaturday,4October2008,09:19PM


HiTGsir,

Thelinkisfabulous.Incombinationpartthereisaquestion"Inhowmanyways5boys,3girlscanbesittedin4seats?"

Therewedon'tneedtosegregateintopartslikeyoumentioned.

8C4wayswecanselect4people(withoutconsideringboy,girlcombination)

4!waystoarrangethem.so,8C4*4!=8P4=1680

whichmatchalsoyouranswer.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitTrivediSaturday,11October2008,10:31PM


HiTGsir,
Thelessonisreallygreat.ihaveadoubtforoneoftheexamples.

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theexampleinwhich5boysand5girlsgotowatchthecinemaspiderman3.

yougavetwoarrangementforthewishoftheboys"everyboywantstositwithagirl"andnotwogirlssit
together
ithinkotherarrangementoftheformarepossible

GBBGBGBGBG

GBGBBGBGBG
GBGBGBBGBG

GBGBGBGBBG

Intheabovearrangementseveryboyissittingwithagirlandnotwogirlsaresittingtogether
clarifymydoubt,letmeknowwhereiammakingmistakeinreasoning.

WarmRegards,

Amit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAmitTrivediSaturday,11October2008,11:57PM


ifthecouplesaresitingattheends

thearangementsare2X2X2x6!

Amit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymeenakSaturday,18October2008,04:24AM


hi,

forthestatesquestioncan'twesolvelikethisfrom3states3studentseachsoselecting5frm9=9c5

thensubtracting6c5(casewhereall5studentsareselectedfrmtwostates)

ie:9c56c5.plstellmewheretheproblmis

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynoelsandeshMonday,3November2008,03:40PM


HiTG,

Thisisinregardtoanexampleproblem(No.of7digitbinarynumbersthataredivisibleby8whenconvertedtobase10).iwaswonderingastoy
the3rddigitfromthelastcannotbe1or0.You'vementionedthatthelast3digitsshouldbe0.Butifthelast3digitsare100thenitsbase10
equivalentwillbe400whichisdivisibleby8....I'mreallybadatPnCbutican'tfigureoutthelogicalflawinmythought...Canuhelpmeouton
this?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrajeshkambampatiThursday,6November2008,12:36AM

Yaiagreewithyousandesh,itoogotthisdoubt.Andithinkwearecorrect.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaFriday,7November2008,12:49AM

(100) 2=4(indecimal)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byCompleteGadhaFriday,7November2008,08:03PM

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HiTGSir,

ThisisthebestmaterialihaveevercomeacrossforPermutationandCombination.

Ihavebeengoingthroughthematerialintheforum.allofthemrsoamazingthatiamactuallygainingtheconfidencetocrack
theCATthoughihavenotbeendoingsogoodinthemockcat.Thanksalot..!!

HatsoffToU...!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBheemeshKWednesday,12November2008,01:40AM

HiTG,

Ihadadoubtinthefirstproblem(i.e10speakersproblem)solvedinthepermutationsection.

Isolveditinthismanner.youtiethePM,MPandMLAintoasinglepersonandthencalculatethewaystoarrangethem.
wudn`titbe8!thenthatwehaveother7speakersand1groupofPM,MPandMLAtoarrange?

Ifindyourwayalsologicalbutamnotabletounderstanddifferencebetweenmyapproachandyourapproach.kindlycanyouexplainwhereIam
missingthelogic?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalWednesday,4February2009,08:51AM


HiTG,

Ihavesomeprobleminunderstandingtheconceptofpartitionproblem..

of5ballsasstatedbeyou.

let'stake*****theseas5similarballs

nowdividingtheminto3grps..

icandoitbyplacing2sticks..forthatihavetotalof

|*|*|*|*|*|>|denoteschoices

6choices..

soselecting2spacesoutof6canbedonein

6C2=15ways..

telmewatsgoinwronginthisapproach..

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalThursday,12February2009,09:41PM

hiTG,
theproblemihadabove,i'ddoneamistake
actuallythrwudbe30ways...

for1ststick6ways
for2ndstick5
sototal6*5=30.

ifyoucudclarifythisthingitwudbenice

Regards,
sumit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,12February2009,11:09PM

HiSumit,

Inyoursolution,youcan'tplacestickslikethisforexample
||*****

Thiswoulddenotea005casewhichyoucannotcover.Youcanonlycover050casebyplacingthesticksinthismanner:|*****|

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Thewayyouareplacingthesticksyoucanneverplacetwostickssidebysidebecauseyouaretakingittobeonespaceonly.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalFriday,13February2009,12:16AM

hisir,
sirthat'sfine..btifiamntconsideringthiscase..thenyismyanswercomintobearnd30..whrasustatedit's21.

ithinkthrmightbesomekindofrepeatition...

andasutold
||*****ntincludedso,

nowsupposeiplace1ststick
thenarrangementwudbelike..
|*****

nowtoincludeurcasefor2ndstickthrare6casesasicanplace
stickbetweenstarsandbeside1ststick

inthiscasetotalcasescomeouttobe36 stillmorethan21

abitconfusedashowtogetcorrectresultbyusingthisstickmethod.

regards,
sumit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaFriday,13February2009,09:32AM

HiSumit,

Therepetitionisbecauseyouaretakingpartitionstobedifferentwhereastherehavetobetakenassimilar.Forexample,taketwosimplecases:

*P1***P2*and*P2***P1*whereP1andP2denotethepartitions.Boththesecasewouldyieldthesameresult,i.e.131butyouare
countingthemasdifferent.

IfIdothisbyyourmethodIwilldoitlikethis:
ForthefirstpartitionIhave6places.
**|***

ForthesecondpartitionIhave7places.Thereforetotalnumberofways=67=42.Aseachcaseisbeingrepeatedonce,thetotalnumberof
cases=42/2=21.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysumitjamwalFriday,13February2009,05:07PM


hiTG,

thanks ,thatwaswatithinking....

gr8work..

Regards,

sumit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAbhinavKumarFriday,22May2009,01:38PM


Thatsreallyabeautifulone.

Madesuchadifficulttasksosimplewiththeexamplesofsuchavariety.

ThanksaLot

Abnv

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byronyroyFriday,22May2009,02:33PM

hiTG,

whatwastheanswertothequestionthatgoes.....

howmanyarrangementsofsix0sfive1sandfour2sarethereinwhich

ii)thefirst0precedesthefirst1,(and)precedesthefirst2.

myanswercomesouttobeamassive:504504

replysoon...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakTuesday,26May2009,12:29PM


hitg..1stofallthanksatonforthissimplyawesomepost..iwsntgettinganygudmaterialonP&CnProbabilitynwasworried...thanksagain..

..regardingtheProblem::thereare10speakerswhorsupposed2address.OneconstraintisPMshudaddressbeforeMPandMPbeforeMLA.

Mysoln::LetPM=PMP=QMLA=R

theordershudbePQR..soitukPQRas1blockandsototalpeople2barrangedbecomes(7+1)=8...andnowarrangingthemweget

Ans=8!.

Pleasetellwhereamimakingthemistake?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPriyeshTungareWednesday,27May2009,02:59PM

HiTG,

Thanksforthearticle.

Ihaveonedoubt.

Inthequestion,Howmany3digitnumbersareevenandwithnorepeateddigits,inthesecondcasefornumbernotendingin0,youhavemultiplied
8*8*4.

Canyouexplainwhywearemultiplying4here?

Thismaybesimplequestionforothers,btibelieveinsaying..whenindoubtask....

Thanks,
PriyeshTungare

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,28May2009,02:06PM

HiRandeep,

'Before'mightnotalwaysmean'justbefore,'asyouhaveassumedbytakingthemtogether.TherecanbeotherpersonsbetweenP,QandR.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaThursday,28May2009,02:08PM

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HiPriyesh,

Therearefour4evendigitsafterremovingzero2,4,6and8.Thenumberwouldendinoneofthese.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakThursday,28May2009,10:21PM


ohyeah,,goshishudhavthotdat..thanksalotforclearingthedoubt...

TGsiritwillbagr8helpifucudpostsomegudtext,likedis,forProbablityalso..datsanotherarea,whichifindtough..

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakFriday,29May2009,10:09AM

hitg..fromwherecanifindtheanswers2theaboveexercise..itsvimp2chkwhetherihavunderstudurconceptsprnt.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byanirbanbharSunday,31May2009,12:34PM

hitg,
imabitconfsedwidthesolutiontothepaintcubeproblem............

thefirstfacewichwechoosecnbpaintedin6ways,.........yhaventuconsideredthat....plzzzenlighten
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAvishekChakrabortyThursday,11June2009,07:39PM


HeyguysIhaveaquestionrelatedtothistopic,couldusolvethis?Hereitgoes...

Q.4boyzn4girlsarearrangedinarowsothatno2girlsaretogether.Watistheprobabilitythatany2boyzaretogether?

waitingforurresponse...

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byiimfreakThursday,11June2009,08:27PM

dude..thisisPnCthreadnuaskingProbability..jstkidding..anywaysidntknowprobabilitysocanthelp@thismoment..TGsirwillbepostinga
textonProbsoon...waitingforthat...ATBmate
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykukluxklanThursday,18June2009,07:18PM

thereare4friendsand10hotelrooms
q)inhowmanywayscanatleasttwofriendsstaytogether

myanswertothisisasfollows,whichisleadingmetothewronganswer,willbeverygratefulifsomeonecanpointoutthefallacyinthis

1case)2friendsstaytogether
c(4,2)*10*9*8

2ndcase)threefriendsstaytogether

c(4,3)*10*9

3rdcase)allfourstaytogether

10

addingupallthesecasesiamgetting4690,whichiswrong....pleasetellmethemistakeinthis
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrohankaushalSaturday,20June2009,09:03AM

hi,

Q.howmanythreedigitnumbersaretherewhichareevenandhavenorepeateddigits????

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can'titbethisway???

___
the3rdplace5choices,(i.e0,2,4,6,8)sonoofwaysare5
1stplacehave8choices(excluding0andthe3rdplace'snumber)
&2ndplacehaveagaineightchoices....
andthatcomesouttobe8*8*5=320..

couldyouplzhelpme.......
thanxalot!!!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitjainSunday,21June2009,12:37PM


@Rohan,

Whenyouwilluse0fortheunit'splacethenforthehundredsplaceyouwillhave9choices(1....9)and1othplace8choices.

Ihopenowyouknowwhereyouaregettingitwrong

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysrinivasanraviSunday,12July2009,10:51AM

hisir,
canuplsexplainmetheproblemjustbeforecicularcombinations..icantunderstanditclearly..plshelp..thanks..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysmrutypanigrahiMonday,13July2009,11:10AM


Hii,

Thisisarathersimplelookingproblembuthasbeenpesteringmeandamunabletosolve.Plchechitoutandhelpmeguys.

YouhavetofindoutthenumberofwaystoreachfromAtoB.

Extremelysorry4thepoorqualityoffig.Iain'tthatgoodwithcomputers.

Plzgiveadetailedsolution.

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Thanxinadvance.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byaryanrajMonday,13July2009,03:03PM


hi

sir

thisfileissogoodforcatexamsoiwantsolutionoftheallprob

soplzsandmethesolutiononmyemail

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitMegotiaTuesday,28July2009,11:13AM

heysmruty,
byanychancedoyouknowtheanswertoyourquestion?
itscomingouttobe72.
ifitscorrectiwilltellyoutheprocedure.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byJaideepDasTuesday,28July2009,10:44PM


Cansomebodyprovidemetheanswersfor(ii)and(iii)partsofthequestionfor60's,51'sans42's?

Igottheanswersas15840for(ii)and378738for(iii)

Aretheseanswerscorrect?Pleasereply

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byGowthamMuthukkumaranThirunavukkarasuMonday,3August2009,11:20PM

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Yourright.
Thesolutiongivenhere,isbasedonaassumptionthatthethreespeekinorder,whichisnotthecase.Yoursolutionisperfectiguess.
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Re:PermutationandCombinationtoBheemeshK
byGowthamMuthukkumaranThirunavukkarasuMonday,3August2009,11:22PM

Yourright.
Thesolutiongivenhere,isbasedonaassumptionthatthethreespeekinorder,whichisnotthecase.Yoursolutionisperfectiguess.
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Re:PermutationandCombinationTOsmrutypanigrahi
byGowthamMuthukkumaranThirunavukkarasuTuesday,4August2009,12:31AM


Fromthefigureyouhavegivenihaveworkedoutandgottheanswertobe30.Juzcheckifyoualreadyknowtheanswerandifitiswrongpleaselet
meknow.Ihaveattachedthefilehere.

MoreoverIhaveassumedthatonecantravelthroughapathonlyonce.ForexampleyoucannotgothroughEDandagaincomebacktoE.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAvishekChakrabortyWednesday,5August2009,03:31PM

Firstlyimustsaythearticleisawesome!

Pleasepardonmeifmyquestionseemschildish!

There'sonequestionrelatedtodice,inhowmanywayssumof8canbeobtainedbyrolling2diceifthetheyaredistinguishable...

nowmyquestionisaswearerightlyconsidering(3,5)and(5,3)asdifferentcases,whyarewenottakingtwocasesfor(4,4)?Thoughthe
denominationsaresamebutthedicearedistinguishable.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bycatchampSaturday,8August2009,04:11PM

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idontthinkitwillbetakenabhishek..as(4,4)ismakingthediceindistinguishable..

btw..verygoodworktgsir..thebestarticletilldateihavefoundonp&c..andiwillbepostingthesolnssoon..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byanimeshchandanSaturday,15August2009,10:57PM

hiTG
ihavproblem
Q:thereare7menand5womenwehavetoselect4menand3womenbutifmrsAwillgothenmrsBwillnotgo.inhowmanywaysvcanselect
them?

myapproachis7menwillbeselectedin7C4ways
andthereare3cases
case1:wefirstselectmrsAthemautomaticallymrsbwillnotbeselectedthenwecanselectremainingwomenin3C2ways,
thatis7C4*3C2=105.
case2:weselectmrsBthenautomaticallymrsAwillnotbeselectedthenvecanselectremainingwomenin3C2ways,
thatis7C4*3C2=105,

case3:ifbothofthemarenotselectedthenwewillhave3C3waystoselectwomen
thatis7C4*3C3=35
thatmeanstotalnoofways=105+105+35=245

plZZZtelmeisittherightapproach?????
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnoopMaithaniThursday,20August2009,10:30AM

HiTG..

Amazingarticle..waitingeagerlyforanarticleonProbability..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBellTheCAT...Thursday,20August2009,07:18PM


HiTG,

Areallyhelpfularticle,forithelpedmereviseP&C.thanksalot.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeepsinSaturday,5September2009,01:59PM

@kukluxklan

Youareforgettingtotakeonecaseintocalculation

Thecaseis:2stayinsamehotelandremaining2alsostaysinsamehotel.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPallavJainThursday,17September2009,07:03PM


HiAll,

Canyouplztellmethesolution?

Usingoneormoreofthedigits1,2,3,4,5,6and7,howmany7digitnumberscanbeformedwhicharedivisibleby7?

Options:

A)75+74+73+72+7C)476

B)475D)76E)676

Thanks

PallavJain

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyaramrajFriday,18September2009,04:00PM

HiTG,
Ihaveadoubtinthearticlethatuhaveposted.Togetasumof8withdistinguishabledices,wonttheoccurrenceof(4,4)bedifferentbecauseitis
distinguishable???shudntweconsideritas2cases..Plsclarify...

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byROHITKFriday,18September2009,05:05PM

Hipriya,

Justogivitatry..

Togetasumof8withdistinguishabledices,wonttheoccurrenceof(4,4)bedifferentbecauseitisdistinguishable???shudntweconsideritas2cases
..

(2,1)and(1,2)aredifferentindistinguishabledice(whichisnotthecaseinsamekindofdice).

Say,youhavearedandabluedie

Case:(1,2)and(2,1)

1.Red>1Blue>2

2.Red>2Blue>1

Youcandistinguishthetwonotonlybytheircolorbutalsobythedifferenceintheirnumericalvalue.

Case2:(4,4)

1.Blue>4Red>4
2.Red>4Blue>4

Aren'ttheybothsame??

Ifyes,thenweneednotconsiderittwocases.

Inshort,sincethenumericalvalueissame,wecannotdistinguishthecasethoughthetwodicearedistinguishable.

Hopethishelps.

Rohit

P.Sifyoustilldidn'tunderstand...TGtohai..!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyaramrajFriday,18September2009,05:31PM

HiRohit,
goingbyurexample,Watiunderstandfromthearticleisthat
coloristhedistinguishingfactorandnotthenumber...Ifweremovethecoloraspectfromtheargumentonlythenthedistinguishingproperty
vanishes...hopeiamnotwrong..anyways..Thanksfortheapproach
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byROHITKSaturday,19September2009,02:17PM

Hipriya,

Coloristhedistinguishingfactorandnotthenumber...
Ifweremovethecoloraspectfromtheargumentonlythenthedistinguishingpropertyvanishes...

Idonotcompletelyagreewithyourconclusion..

Thedicehadtwodifferentcolorsviz.redandblue..(Ididnotremovethem)

But,stillyoucouldnotdistinguish<4,4>fromeachother..!!(howcouldyouiftheyarethesameones?)

Thereasonwasnotcolorbutsamenumericalvalue..
Ifyouhadchangedthenumberto<1,2>thenyouwouldhavedistinguisheditfrom<2,1>occurrence.

ifyoucancheckmyexplanationagainafterreadingthishopeitwouldbemoreclear..

1.Ifcolorsofdicearesame(i.eindistinguishabledice)thenoccurrenceof<1,2>or<2,1>orforthatmatteranypairofvaluesandviceversacannot
bedistinguished..(veryobvious)(indistinguishablebecauseofcolor)

2.Ifcolorsofdicearedifferentthen

a.<1,2>canbedistinguishedfromoccurrenceof<2,1>(distinguishablebecauseofcolorofthedice)

b.<4,4>orforthatmatteranysamevalueonbothdicecannotbedistinguishedfromviceversavalue(whichisactuallythesameoccurrenceasthe
previous..)(indistinguishablebecauseofsamevalueonthedice)

Hence,theconclusioncanbedrawnthatthedistinguishingfactorinthediceofdifferentcolorsisthecoloraspect,onlywhennumbersappearingon
thedicearedifferent.Ifthenumberbecomessame(indistinguishable)thenyoucannotdistinguishtheoccurrence.

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Hopethishelps..

Rohit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySureshSMonday,21September2009,11:11AM

Hisir..
itsreallysuperb....thanksforurarticle.....
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byROHITKTuesday,22September2009,12:36PM

HiTG..!!

Thanksforsuchanicearticle.

Ihadonequestionregarding:

Inhowmanywayscan4personsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsin4differentseats?

WhileexplainingyousaiditisnotthesimpleformulabasedP&Cproblem.

Though,Ithinkthatitcouldbesolvedinverysimpletermswithoutbreakingdowntheproblemintocases(thewayyoualreadysuggestedasthe
concept).

Twoaspectstothisproblem:

1.Selecting4personsfrom8persons(5boys+3girls)whichcanbedonein8C4ways

2.Arrangingthe4personson4differentseatsforeachselectionwhichcanbedonein4!ways

Sototalnumberofways=8C4*4!=70*24=1680(sameas8P4)

Pleaseletmeknowifthisisnottherightwaytoapproachtheproblem.
Ineedyourinsightintothis.

ThanksandRegards

Rohit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRohanSTuesday,29September2009,11:49AM

TGSTANDSFORTRUEGUIDE........
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysharmishthaGuptaFriday,9October2009,01:13PM


Hi,

superbarticle.

ihaveadoubtthough,

inthequeswhereuhv10collegestudents,5boysand5girlsanduhavetomakesurethatnotwogirlssittogether,

canwefirstmaketheboyssitin5!ways

_B_B_B_B_B_

now,forthegirlstosit,wehavetochoose5ofthe6placesavailablesothatnotwogirlssittogether,thiscanbedonein6waysandthegirlscan
thenbeseatedin6*5!ways.

Therefore,thenoofwaysinwhichtheycansitaccordingtothegivenconditionthencomesouttobe

6*5!*5!.

Pleasecorrectmeifiamwrong.

Thanx

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAsHwInDrmzSaturday,10October2009,01:32AM


hiSharmista,

Youaremissingoutsomehighere.Say1stweseatalltheboys..in5!ways.

Thenwehave6placeswhere5girlshavetobeseated.Now,1stgirlcanbeseatedinanyofthe6availableplaces,2ndgirlcanbeseatedinthe
remaining5avaialbleplaces,3rdgirlcanbeseatedinremaining4availableplaces....etc

ie6x5x4x3x2.

sototalarrangementsboilsdownto:2*5!*(6x5x4x3x2)

Hopeitsclearnow.

Ashwin

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysharmishthaGuptaSaturday,10October2009,10:03PM

Thanxashwin.

Umightthinkmetobeadudbutkindlyexplainhowugotthe

2in2*5!*(6*5*4*3*2).
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAsHwInDrmzSaturday,10October2009,10:59PM


hey..

dontthinklikedat..Weareallheretolearnfromeachothernooneisperfect.Soneverunderestimateurself...Comingtothequestion,seetherewill
be2cases:1stcasewhenuseatalltheboys1stin5placesthenarrangethegirls.2ndcaseyoucanseatthegirls1stthenarrangetheboysamong
them.

hencewetake2*

Hopeitsclearnow.

Ashwin

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySaravanarBWednesday,21October2009,01:24PM

Hi TG Sir,

Thanks a lot for your article and I don't have any words to describe ur work sir...

I owe a lot... Great job sir... I have a great respect for you sir and long live TG family

Have a small doubt sir :

1. Four friends go to a city in which there are 10 hotels. In how many ways can they stay ?

Sol :

(approach 1) : The first friend can stay in 10 ways, the second friend can stay in 10 ways, similarly the
third and fourth..

so the ans is 10*10*10*10 = 10000

(approach 2) : The first hotel can accomodate 4 friends or 3 friends or 2 friends or 1 friend or 0(zero). So
nu of ways the 1st hotel can accomodate is 1+2+3+4 = 10 ( i have added 1,2,3,4 as it is either "OR" case)

Same goes for 2nd hotel, 3rd hotel and 4th hotel...

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so the ans is 10*10*10*10 = 10000


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Now have a look at question no 2
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2. In how many ways can u post 10 letters in 4 letterboxes ?

Sol :

( approach 1 ) The first letter can be posted in 4 ways, similarly the second,third....tenth.
So the ans is : 4*4*4...*4 = 4^10 = 1048576

(approach 2 ) : The first letter box can get '1' or '2' or '3' ..... '10' letters.So nu of ways
the 1st letter can accomodate is 1+2+3+4+..+10 = 55

Same goes for 2nd letter 3rd letter and 4th letter

so the ans should be 55*55*55*55= 9150625

Doubt : I couldn't figure out what is wrong with my second approach.. Kindly explain me sir.. Also tell me
given a question when to apply which approach...

My prob is I never get satisfied with one approach sir.. I always try out different approach..

I am sure ur explanation would be helpful to many of the students like me...

Thanks
Saran
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaWednesday,21October2009,09:42PM

HiSaravanar,

Iffirstletterboxpostseven1letteror2lettersetc.thesecondletterboxdoesnothave10ways.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byskyskiers44Monday,26October2009,02:55AM

Hello,

mnotsureifthisistherightsectiontopostpermutationproblem,butanywayspleasehelpmeoutwiththefollowing

Inhowmanywayscan10soldiersstandin2rowssuchthatthereare5soldiersineachrow?

Istheanswer7257600or7257600/2?

Puneet
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNabanshuBhattacharjeeTuesday,27October2009,01:33AM

HiTG

Thanksagain,

WantedtosharetheprobabilisticapproachtodearrangementproblemwiththeTGites.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56592.html

Aquery:IfyougothroughtheproofinthelinkIhavegiven,youcanseethattheyareconsidering4outof5lettersplacedinthecorrectenvelope.
Howcomethereresultmatcheswiththeonegiveninthisthread?ImeanicouldnotfindwhereIamgoingwrong.Pleasehelp!!!

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySaravanarBFriday,30October2009,12:26AM


HiTG,

Thanksforyourreply...

Yesigotit...thesecondletterboxneednothavetenways...

Isthereawaytosolvethisquestionintheletterboxperspective(approach2)??Itriedtosolvebutcouldn'tgettheansaswellasthe
approach..

Saran

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byswethachinthareddyMonday,2November2009,03:35PM

6Ballsofdifferentcoloursaretobedistributedamong2boys.Whatistheprobabilitythateachboygetssamenumberofballs?

a)5/16
b)15/64
c)1/2
d)3/8
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynishchainevrekarWednesday,4November2009,05:58PM

Hi,
Iwouldliketopointoutthethatthesolutiontothe5BOY,5GIRLMOVIEmovieproblemwithnogirlssittingtogetherisalittleflawed...

Itdoesnttakeintoconsiderationthisarrangement

GBGBGBBGBGnmanyotherslikthis....
sothesolntothishastobeconsideredbykeepingobjects(orpeopleforthisproblem)whoarenotsupposedtobetogetherasdynamic
andothersasstatic...
hereboyshavetobestaticngirlsdynamic...asshownbelow

_B_B_B_B_B_
sogirlsonlyhavesixpositionstogointoandalsotheywillneverbetogetheraswelimitingthembyprovidingonlyoneslotbtwboys.
Hencerefertothemasdynamicastheycantake6positions.
so,6P5=6x120
whileboyswhocanbetogetherarestaticcausetheycanonlytake5positions.
5P5=120

so,totalnoways=120x120x6=14400x6

Hopethiswashelpful...
Also,PleasecorrectmeifIamwrong:D
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTotalGadhaFriday,6November2009,01:46PM

HiNishchal,

Youforgottheconditionmentionedinthequestioneveryboywantstositwithagirl.

TotalGadha
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysaurabhprabhudessaiFriday,6November2009,03:42PM

intheconditionmentionedbynischaieveryboyhasatleastonegalonhisside!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynishchainevrekarFriday,6November2009,03:59PM


inthesetypesofarrangements GBGBBGBGBG
Hereeveryboyissittingwithonegirl....ittheconditionwas

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"everyboywantstositinbetween2girls"theniwouldbeadiffcasealtogether.
Ifnotthenplztemme...ythesecasesarenottobeconsidered...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvineetjainTuesday,17November2009,12:41AM

HiTG!!
superbarticle
IhaveaquestionwhichhasbeenaskedbyRohitalso.iamusingsamelanguageashim

"Inhowmanywayscan4personsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsin4differentseats?

WhileexplainingyousaiditisnotthesimpleformulabasedP&Cproblem.

Though,Ithinkthatitcouldbesolvedinverysimpletermswithoutbreakingdowntheproblemintocases(thewayyoualreadysuggestedasthe
concept).

Twoaspectstothisproblem:

1.Selecting4personsfrom8persons(5boys+3girls)whichcanbedonein8C4ways

2.Arrangingthe4personson4differentseatsforeachselectionwhichcanbedonein4!ways

Sototalnumberofways=8C4*4!=70*24=1680(sameas8P4)"

pleasecorrectmeifiamdoingitwrong
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySHAUNAKATuesday,24November2009,08:16PM

HelloTGsir,

That'sCATlikearticleonPermCom......simplicityexemplified...

ThanxSir...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byHarishAWednesday,25November2009,09:32PM


HiTG,

ThisisMyfirstpostinthisisforum.

ItisgreatdisappointmentIwouldlikesay,evenaftergoingthroughtheLessonsmultipletimes,Iamunabletosolveevenasingleproblem.Itisnot
becauseofthewayyouexplainthings,butitismyability.

Iamsurewiththesegivensetofskills,IamillequippedtotackleCAT.

ItmaybeofgreathelpifyoucanletmewherethesolutionsarepresentIcanjustreadthemforpurposeoflearning.

Thanks,
Harish.A
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byaritreyeechaudhuriWednesday,2December2009,08:50PM


HiTG

Ilovedthisarticle..thanksalotforurefforts ..thishelpedmerecollectmanyoftheconceptslearntearlier..

butiamnotclearaboutthe'paintingfacesofacube'problem..twootherguysSydSandAnirbanBharhavealsoaskedthesamequestionthatiam
goingtotypenow..

Whenwefixthecolorofonesideofacube..wehave6possibilities(astherearesixcolors)..andinthatcasetheoppositesidewillhave5
possibilities..fortheremainingwecanusethecircularperrmutationrule..sotheremainingsidescanbepaintedin(41)!ways..

Soshouldntthenumberofwaysinwhichthecubecanbepainted,be6x5x3!?

Canupleaseclarifythis?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bygurtezsinghThursday,11February2010,05:56PM

niceworksir...........
ihveaprob...

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~thererfoursectionsofapaperwidamax.marksf45freachsection&toqualify1havegetmin.90markstheninhwmanywayshecnqualify
daexam??????????????
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvijayshreemenonMonday,5April2010,10:05PM


Hi,

Canany1explainmethis

Intheabovepost,TGsircitedaneg

@anelectionmeeting100ppladdressrally.OrderfollowedPMthenMPfollowedbyMLA

Solutiongiven:LetPM=PMPdenotedasQandMLAasR.10speakersadddressrallyin10!ways.thisincludesPQRPRQQPRQRPRPQRQP.Now
SinceneedonlyPQRwedivide10!by6.

Ihaveagenuineprobhere.FirstofallitsdecidedtatPQRwillbetheorderwhichmeansweneedtokeepPQRfixedandonlycounttheremaining7
pplarrangement.Ycantitbeso???IknowIwrongwhereamImakingthemistake....

Imarealdumbonetohavesuchdoubts...butwanttomakeitclear....

PlsTGsirorDagnyMamorwhoevercamamswerthisq

PlshelpPls...

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAspirendAchieveMonday,10May2010,02:27PM


HiTGSir,

canyoupleaseexplainthesolutionforproblem3

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circularlineraquery
byrobincatchFriday,25June2010,03:41PM

DEARTG..helpmeonthis??
thenumberofwaysthat4girlsand5boyscansit
aroundatablestnotwogirlssittogether?
isthereageneralformula??
whatwouldbethesolutionforalineartable,ie4girls
and5boys(no2girlssittogether)??
whatwouldbethesolnhad2girlsbeenalwaystogether,
(case1:aroundaroundtable
case2:inalineararrangement)???

thnxinadvance,highlyappreciateforquickreply
imlovinmath
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Answers
byRamitGoyalMonday,28June2010,11:04PM

1a
2b

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3d
4c
5c
6a
7d
8c
9c
10b
11b
12c
13
14a
15
16
17b
18d
19a
20c

Pleasereviewandnotifymeforunattemptedquestionsandwronganswers
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysonalipawarThursday,8July2010,03:12PM


HiTG,

Asusualbeautifularticle!!!!

Justonedoubt......

InthepartofDistributionintheproblemof5ballsand3boxescaseIVi.ewhenallballsandboxesaredissimilar,fordistribution113and122usay
thenoofdistributionsare3!.Shouldn'titbe3!/2!=3asthereare2groupswithsamenumberofthings?

Pleasecorrectmeifmwrong!

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,8July2010,05:32PM


HiSonali

Though in 113 and 122 distribution there are two groups with same number of things but still they are different
groupsbecauseofdifferentballs.That'swhyitis3!inplaceof3!/2!

Hopeitisclear.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNamanMirchandaniTuesday,20July2010,04:29PM

Sir,
Ihaveoneconfusion:
Inhowmanywayscan5similarballsbe
distributedin3differentboxes?
Ans:(bymethodgivenhere)21
Butthereisonebasicquestioninyou
article(likeinhowmanycanonepost10letters

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in4letterboxes:4*4*4.....10times:
4^10....).....
Soifweapplytheabovemethodconsidering
similarlettersanddifferentletterboxes
.....answerwillcome:13C3?
Haveweconsideredalllettersdissimilartoget
4^10?(canitbegeneralisedwherenothingis
mentionedaboutsimilarityordissimilarity?)

Plshelp???????????....
Naman
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySiddharthKhannaSaturday,7August2010,09:36PM

HiTGSir,

inthesetypesofarrangements GBGBBGBGBG
Hereeveryboyissittingwithonegirl....ittheconditionwas
"everyboywantstositinbetween2girls"theniwouldbeadiffcasealtogether.
Ifnotthenplztemme...ythesecasesarenottobeconsidered...
)

EvenIhavethesamedoubtasmentionedbynishchai.
Cantweconsiderthisarrangement.


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Re:PermutationandCombination
byravibaranwalSunday,8August2010,03:32AM

agreewidsiddharthnnischai.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykesavsinghWednesday,11August2010,11:01PM


hieveryone!

cananybodyhelpmeinbelowquestion?

howmanydifferentsumscanbeformedwiththefollowingcoins

5rupee,1rupee,50paise,25paise,10paise,3paisa,2paisa&1paise?

plzeleborate

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRaviMathurTuesday,17August2010,09:16PM

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Thereare10stepsinastaircaseandapersonhastotakethosesteps.Ateverystepthepersonhasgotachoiceoftaking1stepor2stepsor3
steps.Thenumberofwaysinwhchpersoncantakethosestepsis??

Cananyonepleasehelpmewiththisstaircaseproblem.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byvershajhunjhunwalaSunday,29August2010,12:05AM

Outof21ticketsmarkedwithnumbersfrom1to21,threearedrawnatrandom,findtheprobabilitythatthethreenumbersonthemareinA.P

canupleaseexplainthecompletemethod?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNITINNIGAMTuesday,31August2010,07:57AM

HiVersha...myapproachisasfollows:

from1to21findtheno.ofAP'sthatucangetandtherewillbecasesaccordingly:

1.APwithd=1,wehave21nos.Amongthese21nos.wecanchoose3nos.whichareinAPas1,2,3or2,3,4or3,4,5andsoon...hencetotalno.
ofcaseswillbe19herewithlastcaseendingat19,20,21

2.APwithd=2,wehavetwoserieshere
a)1,3,5,7......21=11nos.
hencenos.canbechosenas1,3,5or3,5,7andsoon..sohereTOTALCASES=9
b)2,4,6,8......20=10nos.
hencenos.canbechosenas2,4,6or4,6,8andsoon..sohereTOTALCASES=8

3.APwithd=3,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,4,7,10,13,16,19>totalcases=5
b)2,5,8,11,14,17,20>totalcases=5
c)3,6,9,12,15,18,21>totalcases=5

4.APwithd=4,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,5,9,13,17,21>totalcases=4
b)2,6,10,14,18>totalcases=3
c)3,7,11,15,19>totalcases=3
d)4,8,12,16,20>totalcases=3

5.APwithd=5,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,6,11,16,21>Totalcases=3
b)2,7,12,17>Totalcases=2
c)3,8,13,18>Totalcases=2
d)4,9,14,19>Totalcases=2
e)5,10,15,20>Totalcases=2

6.APwithd=6,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,7,13,19>Totalcases=2
b)2,8,14,20>Totalcases=2
c)3,9,15,21>Totalcases=2
d)4,10,16>Totalcases=1
e)5,11,17>Totalcases=1
f )6,12,18>Totalcases=1

7.APwithd=7,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,8,15>Totalcases=1
b)2,9,16>Totalcases=1
c)3,10,17>Totalcases=1
d)4,11,18>Totalcases=1
e)5,12,19>Totalcases=1
f )6,13,20>Totalcases=1
g)7,14,21>Totalcases=1

8.APwithd=8,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,9,17>Totalcases=1
b)2,10,18>Totalcases=1
c)3,11,19>Totalcases=1
d)4,12,20>Totalcases=1
e)5,13,21>Totalcases=1

9.APwithd=9,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,10,19>Totalcases=1
b)2,11,20>Totalcases=1
c)3,12,21>Totalcases=1

10APwithd=10,wehavethefollowingseries
a)1,11,21>Totalcases=1

nowtotalno.ofAP'scasesthatyoucanhavefromthesenos.is
19+17+15+13+11+9+7+5+3+1=100

nowtotalno.ofwaysofselecting3nos.fromgiven21nos.are21C3=1330

Hencetherequiredprobabilityis100/1330

Icouldnotthinkofashorterapproachbuticertainlyfeelthattheremustbeone....TGitespleasehelphere...kindlypostashorterorsimpler

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approachifyoufindone...andletmeknowiftheansweriscorrect...

thanks
Nitin

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeeptianandMonday,6September2010,08:50PM

hii...hvaques..plzhelpmeout

setAisformedbyselectingsomeofthenumbersfromthefirst100naturalnumberssuchthattheHCFofanytwonumbersinthesetaresame

Q1:ifeverypairofsetAhastoberealtivelyprimeandsetAhasmaxnumberofelementspossible,theninhowmanywayssetAcanbeselected..??
1)64
2)96
3)72
4)108

Q2:iftheHCFofanytwonumbersinsetAis3,thenwhatisthemaximumnoofelementssetAcanhave..??
1)10
2)12
3)11
4)14
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnimeshDevarshiSaturday,11September2010,07:23PM


Hi,

regquestion:howmanywayscanforpersonsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsonfourdifferentseats?

whycan'twegofor 8C4?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byharleenmannMonday,4October2010,01:27AM

@deeptianand

Ans1.
thinkingpart:here,forelementstobemax,itcanbeunderstoodthatweneedtotakeallprimesnumbers<100and"1".thereforewewillhave26
elementsinthatset.
Alittlemorethoughttoitwillgettothepointthatwecanalsoselectpowersoftheprimesnos.(<100).soheregoesalittlepaperworkpart:
1
2^1to2^6(highest6since2^7>100)
3^1to3^4
5^1to5^2
7^1to7^2
11
13............
sowewouldhave:6*4*2*2=96ways!!

Ans2.
HCF=3thismeansthattheonlycommonfactorbetweenany2elementsshouldbe3.
Tomakethispossible,starttakingnumbersfrom3onwardsmultipliedwithprimes,
i.e.3*1,3*2,3*3,3*5....3*31.
Theseareatotalof12numbers!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byBlackhorseWednesday,13October2010,09:15PM

TherecantbeabetterarticleonP&Cthanthis.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPriteshRanjanTuesday,19October2010,03:11PM

hiTG..
ihad2quests..iwaswonderingifucudplzhelpmeoutwiddem..

1.)Howmany6digitnumberscontainexactly4differentdigits..??

2.)SixwhiteandSixblackballsofthesamesizer2bedistributedamong10urnssuchthateachurncontainsatleastoneball.Whatisthetotalno
ofdistributions..????
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitMittalFriday,29October2010,02:27PM

Hi,Iamaskingthisquestiontogetmyconceptsright,hereisthequestion:
Determinethenumberof5cardcombinationsoutofadeckof52cardsifthere
isexactlyoneaceineachcombination.

twowaysofsolvingthis:
4C1X48C4

&

4(acecanbeselectedin4ways)X48(nextcardcanbeselectedin48ways)X47(nextcardcanbeselectedin47ways)X46(..)X45(..)

whichoneistherightwayandwhy?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,29October2010,04:00PM


HiAnkit

Firstoneiscorrect.

In the selection of five cards their arrangement doesn't matter but in your second method the four cards have
been ordered and that needs to be divided by 4! which will again fetch the same result as calculated by first
method.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAnkitMittalFriday,29October2010,06:57PM

Thanksverymuchforclearingthedoubt,Igotitrightnowforthisone.ActuallyIamalwaysconfusedwhentoconsidertheorderandwhen
not.usuallyifarrangementisaskedinthequestionIconsidertheorderotherwisenot.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysaanthwanaTThursday,3February2011,06:37PM

ThisarticlereallyhelpedmetogetallthebasicsofP&C

Thankyouverymuch

Ithelpedmegetallthefundas..sothatIneednotdependon34sourcestogetknowledgeofsingleconcept
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysaanthwanaTTuesday,8March2011,09:30PM

Hello,

Ihavesmalldoubt

forpermutationswithsimilarobjectsweusetheformula

n!/(k1!k2!k3!....)

wherenthingsaretobearranged,amongwhich
k1isthenumberthingsofonetype
k2isthenumberofthingsof2ndtype
soon..........

nowwhenamongthenthingsabove,ifonlyrthingsaretobeselectedandarrangedthencanweusethebelowformula?

nPr/(K1!K2!.....Ki!)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNeelkamalBiswasThursday,28April2011,10:57AM

HiTG,

Inthesolvedexampleof5boys&5girlsinacinema,thetwowaysofsittingaregivenas:BGBGBGBGBG&GBGBGBGBGB

butwearenottakingintoaccountthepossibilityofGBGBGBGBBGaseveninthissituationnotwogirlssittogether.

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Theanswershouldthenbe:5!*6!asafterarranging5boystherearesixplacesinwhichthegirlscanbearranged
_B_B_B_B_B_

Pleaseadviseonthis.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,28April2011,07:08PM

HiNeelkamal

In the given example: it should be the desire of the girls also that they won't let two boys sit together otherwise
yourversioniscorrect.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeeptisalujaMonday,2May2011,12:16PM


HiKamal,

Canuplsposttheanswerstotheproblemsmentionedabove(PnC),otherwisehowdoicheckwhich1isrightnwhich1iswrong.Plshelp.

Thanks

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,2May2011,04:40PM

HiDeepti

We intentionally don't provide the answers/solutions to problems so that you can always relish the taste of
problem solving. Also most of the problems have been discussed already many times in above posts. If you are
unable to solve some question or have some doubt in a particular question, you are more than welcome to
discuss.Butpleasedon'tpressurizetoprovideanswerstoalltheproblems.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydeeptisalujaTuesday,3May2011,05:53PM


HiKamal,

Thanksforthequickreply.

Pleasehelpinthesedoubts:

Q4licenseplates,igot26^3*220,what'sthecorrectanswer?

pleasemakemeunderstand,icouldnotsolvethese.

Q134personsbechosenfromarowof10persons,stnotwopersonsaresittingnexttoeachother.

Q15IndiannJapaneseteams

Q263blocksof5seatseach,20seatsinarow..

ThanksNRegards,

Deepti

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamWednesday,4May2011,02:39PM

HiDeepti

4.Youransweriscorrectandsurprisinglyit'snotgivenintheoptions.(Thoughwehavealreadycorrectedinourassignmentsat
TathaGat)

13.Letsmakesittheremaining6personsof10.Nowwearetoselect4placesonlyoutof7availablefromwhere
thechosen4personswerepickedwhichcanbeeasilydoneinC(7,4)=35ways.Option(b)iscorrect.

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15.WearetojustdeterminethenumberofarrangementsofI,I,I,I,J,J,Jwhichisgivenby7!/(4!)(3!)orC(7,
3)=35.Option(a)iscorrect.

26.Justplacethose3blocksof5seatseach,sothatyouhaveusednow15seatsandremaining5seatsaretobe
distributedamongthefourgapsonly.That'sequivalenttofindthenumberofwholenumbersolutionofa+b+c
+d=5whichisgivenbyC(5+41,41)=C(8,3)=56.

Hopethisisclear.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynikitadhanukaWednesday,11May2011,10:31PM

HiKamal

ihaveonenaggingdoubtincirculararrangements..

supposeifwehave6distinctbeads.then5!/2distinctnecklacescanbeformed.
howtogoaboutasimilarsumifsomeofthebeadsareidentical.
theexactquestionis:

"Anecklaceistobemadeusing6red,3blueand3greenbeadssuchthat,notworedbeadsareadjacenttoeachother.Allthebeadsofthesame
colourareidentical.Inhowmanywayscanthisnecklacebeformed?"

thewayiapproachedthesum...alltheredbeadscanbearrangedinonly1way.thisleaves6spacesbetweenthem.thesespaceshavetobefilled
withtheremaining3blueand3greenbeads.nowiamstuck..thiscanbedonein(5!/2*3!*3!)waysor(6!/2*3!*3!)ways??
pleaseexplain..

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,13May2011,03:32PM

HiNikita

In the numerator part there will be surely 5! and not 6! but why are you putting a 2 in denominator. Kindly
expressyourthoughts.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydestinyunruledFriday,13May2011,10:30PM


HiNikita

Incaseofcircularpermutationsifwehaveidenticalthingsthenitgetsverycomplicated.

Forthetimebeingletsnotconsiderthenecklacecaseandjustconsiderthepermutationsof6red,3blue,and3greenbeadsaroundacirclesuchthat
notworedbeadsareadjacenttoeachother.

Luckilyherewejusthavetoarrangetheblueandgreenbeadsbetweenredbeadsasnotworedbeadscanbetogether.

So,nowtheproblemreducestopermuting3blueand3greenbeadsaroundacircle.

Hence,answershouldbe5!/(3!*3!),butitsnotaninteger.

Thatmeanssomethingiswrong.

So,letsgobacktobasics.Whydowedividebynwhilecountingcircularpermutationstoget(n1)!permutations.

Becausewecangetndifferentpermutationsbyrotatingaparticulararrangement,butactuallytheyaresame.Thatswhywedividebyn.Thisisthe
casewhenwehavealldifferentobjects(herewehave"rotationalperiodofn"*).

*Rotationalperiodofnmeansthatifyourotateitntimesitgoestoanindistinguishablestatefromthefirstone

Now,supposewehave3redballsand3blackballs.Nowherewecanhavecaseswhenwehaverotationalperiodof1or2or3or6(factorsof6).
But1isnotpossiblecozthenweshouldhaveallballsofsamecolor.
Also3isnotpossibleasthenweneedtohaveequalgroupsofthreeballswhichmeansbyPigeonholetheremustbeatleast2ballsofsomecolor
Henceatleast4ballsofthiscolorinall,whichisnotpossiblesincetheremustbe3ofeachcolor.Hence,onlypossibilitiesare2or6

BGBGBGhasarotationalperiodof2,whileallothercaseshaverotationalperiodof6.

Saytherearexcasesofrotationalperiodof6,then
6*x+2*1=C(6,3)=20
=>x=3

=>Therewillbejust4distinctpermutationsof3redballsand3blackballsaroundacircle.

So,ifyouwantstosolveasimilarkindofquestion,thenjustfindthenumberofdifferentpermutationsof6blackchairsand6whitechairsarounda
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydestinyunruledFriday,13May2011,10:51PM

Sorry,Iforgottosolveitfornecklace.

Incaseofnecklace,BBGBGGandGGBGBBwillalsolookalike,asnowwecanlookatthenecklacefromthebacksidealso.

So,only3possiblepermutations.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bytgdel156tgSunday,22May2011,11:57PM


HelloSir!

Pleaseletmeknowthesolutiontoquestionsinvolvingtheequation

like

1)3x+y+z=40wherex,y,zarepositiveinteger

2)x+y+z=10ifx,y,zaredistincepositiveintegers.

3)x+y+z>=10===>x+y+zk=10

ThankYou

Gaurav

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynikitadhanukaWednesday,25May2011,05:46PM


hikamal

ihavedividedby2asthenecklaceisinanimateandcanbeflippedover.so,forevery2differentcirculararrangements,weactuallyhaveonlyone
necklace.hence,dividedthetotalno.ofpossiblecirculararrangementsby2togettheno.ofdistinctnecklaces.
eveniwasinclinedtowards5!/3!*3!*2astheanswer.but,thisisobviouslywrongasitdoesn'tgiveanintegervalue.
thebookgivestheansweras6!/3!*3!*2.iamnotbeingabletounderstandthelogicbehindthis.
iwillappreciateifyoucandiscussyourapproachforthissum.andalsoifyoucanshedsomelightonthesekindofsumsingeneral...circular
arrangementofthings,someofwhichareidentical.
thanks,
nikita
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynikitadhanukaWednesday,25May2011,05:56PM


HiDestiny

thanksfortakingthetimeout.thebookgivestheansweras6!/3!*3!*2whichworksouttobe10.
iamstillprettyconfusedinthisregard.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydestinyunruledThursday,26May2011,12:56AM

HiNikita

I'mprettysurethattheansweris3andnot10.

DidyougetthelogicItriedtoexplaininmylastpost???
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,26May2011,05:36PM


HiGaurav

1.xvariesfrom1to12andnumberofsolutionsforxandyineachcaseformanAP.Youjustneedtoaddthem
togetthetotalnumberofsolutions.Itcomesouttobe3(1+2+3+...+12)=234.

2.Youcaneasilycounttheorderedtripletsbyassigningvaluestoxas1,2,...,7thatcomesouttobe24.

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ORjustcounttheorderedtripletswhenallthethreevariablesarepositiveintegersi.e.C(9,2)=36.Andsubtract
the cases when any two of the variables are same (e.g. 11.., 22.., 33.., 44..). So removing 3*4 = 12 ordered
tripltsfromtotal36,weareleftwith24orderedtripletsofthreedistinctpositiveintegerswhichaddupto10.

3. I am sure that there is some error in question because for the stated question answer is going to be infinitely
large. See If x + y + z 10, that means the solutions when x + y + z = 10 will be added to the number of
solutionsofx+y+z=11,...andsoon.Sothereisnoendandtheansweris (infinity)forsure.

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byNikunjBajajSunday,21August2011,02:56PM

Ihaveadoubt:

Inthequestionwhereweneedtopaint6facesofthecubewith6differentcolors,whyhavewenotmultipliedtheoutcomewith6?

whenwefixedthefirstcolor,itcouldhavebeendonein6ways..

whatmimissing?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysowmyakMonday,22August2011,11:39PM

HiTG

cameacrossthisforumdamntoolate butsimplybrilliantareyourlessonsandtips...asmuchaboutbasicsandfoundationastheyareabout
tricksandshortcutsminusanyheavydutyformulae..alotofmyfriendstooarehookedontothissitenowenroutemeofcourse)
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byanupamchaturvediWednesday,24August2011,03:07AM


HiTG,

Itsawonderfularticle.ThisisthefirsttimeIhavebeenabletounderstandP&C,thatfearhassomewhatvanishednow..!!

StilltherearequietafewthingsthatIcouldn'tunderstand.

1)No.ofwaysofdistributing'n'similarobjectsinto'r'similargroups.

2)No.ofwaysofdistributing'n'distinctobjectsinto'r'similargroups.

andafewquestionsthatI'llpostsoon.

Lookingaheadforyourreplyonabove2problems!

Thanksatoninadv.!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byketavsharmaWednesday,7September2011,12:07AM


comeonmansolvedallquestionswhereisthesolution

Iwashighlydisappointedafterseeingnokey
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyankajWednesday,7September2011,11:50AM

Sir,

1)Isdansof"godboybadboymovie"quesis8*6!=5760

2)Indnextquesof"electionmeeting".HowwudweknowhowmanyMP,MLAarethereoutof10speaker.Notable
tounderstanddsol.Plzexplain.

3)INdquesfirst0precedesfirst1,precedesdfirst2.Doesitmeanfrst0pecedesfrst1&2oritmeansfrst0precedsfrst
1&first1precedsfrst2.

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Pleasehelpmeout.

Thanks
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypriyankajWednesday,7September2011,11:53AM

ketav,
ucangetanshere

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarThursday,29September2011,07:37PM


DearTGSir/kamalSir,

Whatistheanswertothisproblem

Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleastoneball?

Myansweris240.

regards

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarThursday,29September2011,08:24PM


DearTGsir/KamalSir,

Thearticleisawesome!!!

CanyoupleaseprovidethesolutiontoQ23(c),Q27,Q28.

CanyoupleaseconfirmtheanswertoQ29,myansweris2^20.

Regards,

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bykrishnadevkashidThursday,29September2011,09:06PM


verygoodelaborationofconcepts..thanksalot....!!
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,30September2011,11:48AM


HiAmit

Please post the question statements here so that it becomes easier for everyone to try their hands at the
problems.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarFriday,30September2011,04:38PM


DearKamalSir,

Pleaseanswerthefollowingqueries:

Q.23(c)InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtiveUs?

Myansweris240.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

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Q.27Thereare50juniorsand50seniors.Eachclasshas25menand25women.Inhowmanywayscanan8personcommitteebechosensothatit
includes4womenand3juniors?

Pleasesolvethisquestion.

Q.28Inhowmanywayscan2npeoplebedividedinnpairs?

Myansweris(2n)!/(n!(2^n)).Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Q.29Ihavetwocheckoutregisters,andtwentycustomers.WhatformulawillfindhowmanydifferentwaysIcanarrangethem?Orderdoesmatter.

Myansweris2^20.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Q.36Ifcombinationsoflettersbeformedbytaking5lettersatatimeoutofthelettersoftheword"METAPHYSICS",inhowmanyofthemwillT
letteroccur?

Myansweris210.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Q.37Howmanysequencesa1,a2,a3,a4,a5satisfyinga1<a2<a3<a4<a5canbeformedifaimustbechosenfromtheset{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?

Myansweris126.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Q.Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleastoneball?

Myansweris240.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Thanks&Regards,

Amit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamFriday,30September2011,05:34PM


HiAmit

Q.23(c)InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtive
Us?
Lookafterplacing3Uswehave4boxes(_U_U_U_)whichmustbecontainingtheotherfourdifferentletterswith
the condition that the middle two boxes have atleast one letter each. So we need to find the whole number
ways of distributing 2 letters among 4 boxes i.e. C(5, 3) = 10 ways. As all the four letters are different so they
canbearrangedamongthemselvesin4!=24ways.Sothefinalnumberofways=240.
Q.27Thereare50juniorsand50seniors.Eachclasshas25menand25women.Inhowmanywayscan
an8personcommitteebechosensothatitincludes4womenand3juniors?

We have 50 Juniors (25M + 25W) and 50 Seniors (25M + 25W) and need to select a team of 8 person which
includes 4 women and 3 juniors (atleast or exactly is not mentioned). Assuming exactly, then we have the
followingcases:
4W+4Mfrom3J+5S

J3WandS4M+1WC(25,3)C(25,4)C(25,1)

J2W+1MandS3M+2WC(25,2)C(25,1)C(25,3)C(25,2)

J1W+2MandS2M+3WC(25,2)C(25,1)C(25,3)C(25,2)

J3MandS1M+4WC(25,3)C(25,4)C(25,1)

Q.28Inhowmanywayscan2npeoplebedividedinnpairs?

IthasbeenclearlytaughtinTG'slessonthatrequirednumberofwaysare(2n)!/(n!2).

Q. 29 I have two checkout registers, and twenty customers. What formula will find how many
differentwaysIcanarrangethem?Orderdoesmatter.

First customer has 2 choices, next has 3 choices, next has 4 choices and the 20th have 21 choices. So answer is
21!

Restlater.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarFriday,30September2011,06:19PM


DearKamalSir,

THANKYOU forthedetailedandlucidexplanation.BythewaycanyoupleasediscusstheremainingpossibilitiesofQ27.

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Waitingfortherest.

Thanks&Regards,

Amit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitguptaFriday,30September2011,08:05PM

Inthequestion:howmanyfourletterscanbeformedfromthewordMathemeticswhyarethesubdividingtheproblemsintogroupsandthensolving
?Can'twedirectlyuse11P4??
Also,similarapproachisusedforthe3students3cityquestion?
wouldliketoknowthereasonforit?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarSunday,2October2011,11:09PM


DearKamalSir,

Pleaseletmeknowtheanswersfortheremainingquestions:

Q.36Ifcombinationsoflettersbeformedbytaking5lettersatatimeoutofthelettersoftheword"METAPHYSICS",inhowmanyofthemwillT
letteroccur?

Myansweris210.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Q.37Howmanysequencesa1,a2,a3,a4,a5satisfyinga1<a2<a3<a4<a5canbeformedifaimustbechosenfromtheset{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?

Myansweris126.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Q.Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleastoneball?

Myansweris240.Canyoupleaseconfirm?

Thanks&Regards,

Amit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,3October2011,01:46PM


HiAmit

WhataretheremainingpossibilitiesforQ27?Check.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,3October2011,04:53PM


HiAmit

Q. 36 If combinations of letters be formed by taking 5 letters at a time out of the letters of the word
"METAPHYSICS",inhowmanyofthemwillTletteroccur?
HereweneedtofindoutthenumberofcaseswhenweareselectingaTforsurewhileselecting5lettersoffthe
wordMETAPHYSICS.

So other than T we must be selecting 4 more letters and we just need to find the number of ways of selecting 4
more letters. Now there are two cases: when all the four letters are different i.e. C(9, 4) = 126 ways and when
twolettersaresame(i.e.bothareS)andothertwoaredifferenti.e.C(8,2)=28ways.
Sototalcasesmustbe126+28=154ways.

Q.37 How many sequences a1, a2, a3, a4, a5 satisfying a1<a2<a3<a4<a5 can be formed if ai must be
chosenfromtheset{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?

ItissimplyC(9,5)=126ways.

Because in C(9, 5) ways you select five different numbers from the available 9 and arrange them(according to
desiredorder)inonlyonepossibleway.

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Q.Inhowmanywayscanweput5differentballsin4differentboxessothateachboxshouldhaveatleast
oneball?

Therewillbeonebox(whichcanbeselectedin4ways)containingtwoballs(whichcanbeselectedinC(5,2)=10
ways)andtheremainingthreeballscanbearrangedinthreedifferentboxesin3!=6ways.

Sorequirednumberofwaysare=4106=240.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byamitkumarTuesday,4October2011,12:22AM


ThankyouKamalsirforallyourexplainations.yourwayofexplainationisawesome....simpleandclear!!!

Ireallyappreciateyourhelp.

Regards,

Amit

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,4October2011,01:24PM


HiAmitGupta
Theproblemisofrepetitivecounting.Trytocheckallthecasesandfindtherepetition.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byMohitSharmaWednesday,9May2012,01:05PM

HiKamalSir,
CanyoupleaseexplainthefollowingtwoquestionsasI'munabletosolvethem,

Q1)From4gentlemenand4Ladiesacommitteeof5istobeformed.Committeeconsistsofapresident,avicepresidentandthreesecretaries.
Findthenumberofwaysofselectingthecommitteewithamaximumof2womenandhavingatthemaximumonewomanholdingoneofthetwo
postsonthecommittee.
a)16
b)512
c)608
d)256
e)324

Q2)Thecrewofan8memberrowingteamistobeselectedfrom12men,ofwhich3mustrowononesideonlyand2mustrowontheotherside
only.Findthenumberofwaysofarrangingthecrewwith4membersoneachside.
a)40320
b)30240
c)60840
d)10080
e)Noneofthese

Pleasehelpmesir.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamWednesday,9May2012,04:44PM


HiMohit

Mostimportantpartistogetthecorrectinterpretationofthequestionandthenframingthesolution.

1. What I interpret from the given information is that you are to choose 5 members from 4 M and 4W to form a
committee.Ofthesefivemembersoneisapresident,onevicepresidentandotherthreearesecretaries.

Now conditions mentioned are there should be maximum of 2W i.e. cases can be 4M1W or 3M2W. Another
condition is that maximum one women holds one of the two posts. Here what i interpret from the two posts is

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post of president/vicepresident. That means cases will be that no woman is president or vicepresident AND
exactlyonewomanispresidentorvicepresident.

Nowcomputingthefirstcase:4M1W(i)nowomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,1)43=48
(ii)onewomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,1)2C(4,1)=32

Secondcase:3M2W(i)nowomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,3)C(4,2)C(3,1)2=144

(ii)onewomanispresident/vicepresident=C(4,3)C(4,2)C(2,1)C(3,1)2=288

Sototalcasesare=48+32+144+288=512

2. Again here I assume that these 3, which must row on one side and 2, which must row on other side are to be
chosen certainly. That means I just need to choose 3 more out of 7 remaining in C(7, 3) ways. Now out of the
three newly selected members one should be sent to 3 together's and remaining to other side with 2 together's
whichcanbedoneinC(3,1).Nowthesegroupscanbearrangedamongthemselvesin4!each.

Sototalcasesare=C(7,3)C(3,1)4!4!=60480.

IhopeIhaven'tcreatedanyconceptual/calculationalerror.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byMohitSharmaThursday,10May2012,10:43AM

thankyoukamalsir,
Ireallydidn'tunderstoodthequestion...thanksalot...
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPrernaGolaniTuesday,15May2012,03:52PM

HiTG
Inhowmanywayssixdifferentfacesofcubebepaintedindifferentcolor

whycantanswerbe6*5*4*3*2*1
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,15May2012,05:37PM


HiPrerna

It would have happened if all the faces of cubes are different or differently named. But that is not the case, so
youneedtoremovetheidenticalones.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byPrernaGolaniSunday,20May2012,04:05PM

butitiswrittensixdifferentfaces
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynehaaggarwalThursday,31May2012,02:16PM


HiKamalSir

Q.23(c)InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtiveUs?

Lookafterplacing3Uswehave4boxes(_U_U_U_)whichmustbecontainingtheotherfourdifferentletterswiththeconditionthatthemiddletwo
boxeshaveatleastonelettereach.Soweneedtofindthewholenumberwaysofdistributing2lettersamong4boxesi.e.C(5,3)=10ways.Asall
thefourlettersaredifferentsotheycanbearrangedamongthemselvesin4!=24ways.Sothefinalnumberofways=240.

Inaboveexplanationididnotgetthecondition?Andsolutiontoit..AsinhowdidUgetC(5,3)?

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Pleaseexplain

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamThursday,31May2012,02:45PM


HiNeha

Ifyoudidn'tgetthatway,noprobs.Hereisanother.
See,thatnotwoU'saretotobetogether.Sofirstarrangetheremainingfourletters(i.e.N,S,AandL)in4!=
24 ways. Now between these four letters (including at ends) we have exactly five places at which U's can be
placed.

Remember that at no place two U's can be together. So we need to select exactly 3 places out of these 5 in C(5,
3)=10wayssuchthatnotwoU'saretogether.

Hencethetotalnumberofwaysis=2410=240.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySowmyanarayananPFriday,1June2012,01:27PM


Clearexplanationsir,thanks..

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanikbhardwajMonday,4June2012,11:28PM

HelloKamalSir,

Pleasehepmewithbelowmentionedquestions:

Inaclassof12students,7boysand5girls.Theclasshas4sessionseachday,oneeachofarithmetic,algebra,geometryand
probability.Theseclassesaretobeheldoneaftertheotherin4distincttimeslotsandcanbeinanysequence.Furtherthereare2
teachersavailableandtheycanteachanytopic.

1.ifthesequenceofclasshastobearithmetic,algebra,geometryandprobability,thenwhatisnumberofdistinctwaysinwhichthe
sessioncanbeplannedforentireweek.

Inhowmanydistinctwayscanasessionbescheduledfortwoconsecutivedaysif
2.
boththeteachershavetohaveequalno.ofsessions..?
mytake(24*2^4)*(24*2^4)

3.theentireclassof12studentsisdividedequallyintotwodofferentdivisionsandsessiosnareschedulesforthesetwodivisions2ithclassesbeing
heldsimultaneouslyin2classrooms..inhowmanywayscansessionbeplannedforthesetwodivisionsforparticularday?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamWednesday,6June2012,02:04PM


HiManik

1. As sequence of class is fixed, so we are now to arrange for the teachers only at a paricular time slot. Now in
oneday,atanytimeslot,theteachercanbeassignedin2ways.Sonumberofwaysofassigningteacherinone
dayis=24waysandfortheentireweekis=228ways.

2. When both the teachers have to have equal number of sesions on two consecutive days i.e. we have eight
sessionswhichmustbeassignedtothetwoteachersequallyi.e.4sessionseachwhichcanbeachievedinC(8,4)
ways. Also the topics can be scheduled in the two days in 4! ways each. So the required number of ways are =
(4!)C(8,4)=8!

3. Now we are to schedule two parallel classrooms and topics can be arranged for both of them in 4! ways each
andteacherscanbeassignedtobothin24waysintotal.Hencetotalnumberofwaysrequiredare=(4!)24.

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Remember that in all these questions, a session referred to a particular topic arranged at a particular time slot
taughtbyaparticularteacheronly.Studentsdon'tmatterinschedullingofthesession.

KamalLohia

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanikbhardwajWednesday,6June2012,02:35PM

ThanksalotKamalSir.
Myanotherdoubtinthistopisis,likeforabovequestionmentionedbyneha:

InhowmanywayscanthelettersinUNUSUALbearrangedsuchthattheyhavenoconsequtiveUs?

Ihaveoneconfusionforthesolutiongivenbyu,likehere_n_s_a_l_,notwou'saretogether,soobviousansweris4!*C(5,3)=24*10=240.

But,asperquestionnotwou'scanbetogether,butNSALcanbetogether,like_NS_A_L_,hereanswerwouldblike4!*C(4,2)=24*6=144.

Mytakeforthisquestionislike,tonormalpermutationwithall7letters7!/3!
ThennoofwayswhenallU'saretogether,5!=120
therefor,whennotwou'saretogether=840120=720,

Pleasecorrectmeifiamwrong..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byarsharoraThursday,7June2012,05:38AM


himanik,

seeyouareincludingthecaseswhenonlytwou'saretogether,whicharetobediscarded,there'stheflaw!!asuhadjustdebarredthecasesin
whichalluaretogetherandin5c3approachuwillseethecasewhichuhadmentionedisalreadyincorporated,asweareselectingthe3blanksoutof
5blanks,hopeitsclearnow

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymanikbhardwajThursday,7June2012,01:11PM

Hiarsh,

wellIamincludingallthethreeu'stogether,perhapstherearetotal7letters,3takentogetherwhicharetobecountedasoneandtherest4letters,
sotheinallthesumcomesto5.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bynehaaggarwalThursday,21June2012,11:42PM


HiTGSir/KamalSir,

Howshouldweapproachsuchquestions?:

x+y+z=120.x,y,z<60number=""of=""integral=""/>
Thisisatype..Ireallygetconfusedinidentifyingthecases..Hopeammakingsense..Pleaseexplaintheapproach..

Thanks,
Neha
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Thankstoalltheauthorsndcontributingfolks
byKanwarSinghThursday,5July2012,02:45PM

greatwork......

ButjustoneSHIKAYAT.....

Wewantmoreofthesegreatarticles

Pleasefindsometime!!!!

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAkashKumarWednesday,29August2012,04:23PM

Ithinktheanswerwillbe

720*2*2*2

10arethereintotal...1couplewillsitatonecornerandotheratanothercornerso720arrangement

2couplescanalsointerchangeseatsamongthemselvesin2ways

Couplecanalsochangesseatsin2waysas2couplearethere2*2

Pleasecorrectifiamwrong
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bypooragadhaFriday,31August2012,04:59AM

Inthequewhereboysandgirlsgoforspidermanmovie
whycantbethereanarrangmentgbbgbgbgbg
stillnogirlissittingtogether
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAloSanyalTuesday,4September2012,12:55PM

HiTG,

Thisisareallyfantasticarticle! I'dreallyappreciatesomemorehelp.Canyoupleaseexplainhowtofindouttherankofastringwhenrepetition
ofcharactersisallowed?

Forinstance,ifIhavethelettersR,D,S,Bandrepetitionofthelettersisallowed,thenthenumberof4letterstrings=4X4X4X4=256.Sohowdo
Ifindoutwhatisthe110thstring?

Regards,
Alo

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrimmirimmiFriday,21September2012,11:22PM

inthequestionofmultiplechoicetestwith5choices,ithinkthereare6possiblewaysofansweringthequestionsinsteadof5asapersoncanalso
leavethequestion/sunansweredwhichithinkisthe6thwayofdoingaquestion.

thereforesolutionwillbe...6^30

butiamnotsure,sopleaseletmeconfirmthatmyapproachiscorrectornot..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRishabhsinglaSunday,23September2012,11:25AM

Greatarticle...thanksatonTG...yourarticlesmotivatetostudymoreasconceptsseemstobesosimple....
Ihaveaquestion,ifyouoranyonecanhelpmeout...
Inhowmanyways25ballscanbeselectedoutof15identicalredballs,20identicalblueballsand25identicalgreenballs?

MyApproach:consider3personsA,B,CtowhomIhavetodistributetheseballs.So,Idistributeallballs,say15RedtoA,20BluetoBand25
GreentoC.Total=60.
NowIcantakeout35outofthemaswewantonly25ballsintotal.
so,findingsolutionofequationx+y+z=35shouldgiveanswer.Butmyanswercomingwrong.Correctansweris281.CananyonetellmewhereIam

goingwrong.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySumitAnandMonday,24September2012,12:11AM

Here,
r+b+g=25
totalways=27c2=351
Now
r
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRishabhsinglaWednesday,26September2012,01:27AM

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HiSumit,
thanksforreplyingbutIdidntgotyou..whereyougot27C2from?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byscroozescroozeWednesday,26September2012,06:06PM

Awesomearticle..nowords..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bydimpunSaturday,29September2012,10:49PM

Inhowmanywayscan4personsbeseatedoutof5boysand3girlsonfourdifferentseats

InTG'sarticlehetookdifferentcasesoftaking

1)4boys2)3boys1girl3)2boys2girls4)1boy3girls

andcalculatedtheansweras1680

thereisnodifferencetoplaceagirloraboy

infirstseatwecanplaceanyofthe8persons

insecondseatwecanplaceanyofthe7persons

inthirdseatany6andinfourth5

ans:8*7*6*5=1680

Igotthesameanswerbutiamjustwonderingiftheapproachisrightareweneedtotakedifferentcases.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bymunjalupadhyaySaturday,6October2012,06:05PM

firstthankyouforthewonderfullarticle..Ihaveadoubtthat,,intheexampleofhowmanyevendigitsarethatwhichareevenandhaveno
repeteddigits..Question:howdoIreliazethatIneedtotaketwocasehere,,ifIaminexamhall,Idon'tthinkthatIgetthestrikeinmymind..
ifthereisanytrickforthisthenpleasedelivertome..thankyou...
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PermutationandCombination
byRahulAgarwalTuesday,23October2012,06:21PM

Thereare20seatsonacirculartable10oneitherside.20personshavetobeseatedsuchthat5particularpeoplewanttositon1sideand4
particularpeoplesitontheotherside.whatarethetotalnumberofways?
Pleaseanswerthisquestion
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTheDumbestWednesday,3April2013,07:05PM


Hisir,

Forgivemeforbeingnaive..thrisanexamplewheretherearecomputeruserpasswordswhereapasswordcouldbe6,7or8charlong...canthisques
notbeattemptedlikethis...

letstakethecaseforapasswordwith6char..nowoneofthesecharhastobeadigitsothereare10ways...andfortherestfivecharitcouldbea
capitalalphabetoradigit(26+10waysforeverychar)..so10*36^5....

similarlyaddtothistheresultsforcaseswhrpasswordsare7and8charlong..?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byrahulkankariyaThursday,27June2013,07:44PM

howmanyarrangementsof60's,51'sand42'sarethereinwhich
1)thefirst0precedesthefirst1?
2)thefirst0precedesthefirst1,precedesthefirst2?
3)thefirst0precedesthefirst2?

whatistheansweroflasttwoquestions??
andcanuplzguidemewiththesolution..
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySankarshanSridharanWednesday,17July2013,02:35PM

HiTG,

Iamabigfanofyourarticles.Theyarelucidandveryinformative.RecentlyIcameacrossaproblemwhichledmetoanotherproblem.Thisiswhat
Iwant.

Ihavesixalphabetsa,b,c,d,e,fwiththefollowingrelationship

a>b(pair)
c>d(pair)
e>f(pair)

Nowhowmanypermutations/arrangementsofa,b,c,d,e,farepossiblesuchthatthehighernumberofthe"pair"alwaysprecedesthelowernumberof
the"pair".

Forexampleacbdefisapermutation,ecfdabisanotherpermutation.Howmanypermutationswillpreservethisrelationship?

WarmRegards,
Shanky
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Re:PermutationandCombination
bySankarshanSridharanThursday,18July2013,06:00PM

HiAll,

Gotmyquestionansweredthroughanotherforum.Solutioniselegant.Thereare720differentwaysofarranginga,b,c,d,e,f.
Inexactlyhalfoftheseawillbebeforeb.CallthisSETX.InexactlyhalfofSETXcwillbebeforedandthisbeSETY.InexactlyhalfofSETYewill
bebeforef.So720/(2^3)=90isthesolution.

WarmRegards,
Shanky
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDushyantAgarwalMonday,22July2013,04:00PM

Under'Permutation'section:

QInhowmanywayscanyouseatnboysinrseats?

InthisquestionyouhavementionedthatitcanbedoneinnPrways.Howevermydoubtiswhatifn<r?DoIneedtotakeit(n>r)asan
assumption?OrelseitwouldberPn.

Ibelieve,Iammissingonsomeconcept.Canyoupleaseclarifymydoubt?

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Re:PermutationandCombination
byRachitPandeSaturday,3May2014,11:28AM

HiTG,

ForTheexamplewith5boysand5girlsweneedtosatisfytheconditionsthateachboysitswithagirlandnotwogirlssittogether.Thequestion
doesnotasktomakethemsitalternatively.So,IfeelthatthecaseforGBGBGBGBBGisalsopossibleandsimilarothercases.sointotalifwefirst
fix5boysin5!waysthenwehav6placetofixgirlswhichcanbedonein6P5waysthustotalcountcomesto5!x6!=86400

PlztellmeifIamwrong.

Rachit
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,13May2014,01:37PM


HiRachit

Youranswerandapproachiscorrect.I'llfixitthere.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAakashGuptaSunday,8June2014,11:23PM

HelloTG,

Inthekindofproblemwithunitcoefficient

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a1+a2+a3.....+ar=n(constant),
thenumberofsolutionsare=C(n+r1,r1)incasea1,a2..ar>=0&thenumberofsolutionsare=C(n1,r1)incasea1,
a2..ar>=1

there'snoupperlimitonvariableonleftsidehere.

Butwhatifthere'sanupperlimitonvariablelike

Question:Adiceisrolled3times.Whatarethenumberofwaysinwhichthesumofnumbersappearingonthediceis12?

Here,lettheoutcomesbea,bandc.
therefore,a+b+c=12,where1<=a,b,c<=6

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Re:PermutationandCombination
bysravanijagantiMonday,23June2014,11:19PM

sircanyoupleasegiveusarticleonpermutationsaroundregularandirregularpolygons.i,ethenumberofwaysofarrangingpeoplearoundatableof
'n'sides,aroundarectangle.suchkindofpermutations.pleasereplysoonaspossiblesir.
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,24June2014,02:30PM


HiAakash

Maximumvaluewhicha,b,ccangetis6,solet'sgiveeachofthema6.ButinthisdistributionIhavegivena
totalof18whileavailablequantitywas12only.Right?

SoIneedtotaketotalof6backfromthethree.

Let'ssayItakebacka'froma,b'frombandc'fromcsuchthat
a'+b'+c'=6wherea',b',c'arewholenumbersbutnoneofthemcanbezero.(Thinkwhy?)

It'seasynowtocalculatethis.Tryandrevertifyoufaceanydifficulty.

Myanswertothisoneis:C(6+31,31)3=C(8,2)3=283=25.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamTuesday,24June2014,02:33PM


HiSravani

Abovearticledealswithallthevarietieswhichyouareaskingfor.Ifyouanyparticularquery,thenpleasepost
yourquestionsothateveryonecantrytheirhandsatit.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAbheekDasSunday,3August2014,10:55AM

(3^1/5+7^1/8)^100
Howmanytermsintheexpansionareintegers?
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,4August2014,12:58PM

HiAbheek

Youonlyneedtofindintegralsolutionoftheequation5x+8y=100.

AndIamsurethatyoucandoiteasily.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byAbheekDasMonday,4August2014,01:23PM

Myapproachforfindingtheintegralsolutiontotheequation:
5x+8y=100
100/productof5x8
Icantakeitastheproductsince5&8arecoprime.
Thisgivesmeroughly100/40=2.something
Sothenumberofintegralsolutionscouldbeeither2or3.

Secondstep,(1005x)/8=y
x=4,y=10
Nowxwillincreasebythecoefficientofyandywilldecreasebythecoefficientofx
Thepossiblevaluesare
x=4,y=10
x=12,y=5
x=20,y=0

Therefore,thenumberofintegralsolutionsfortheequationis3.

Question:Doesthismethodworkinallcasesorisitintrinsictotheproblemabovealsoshouldthisbetheidealmethodfordealingwithquestions
whichrequireyoutofindtheintegralsolutions
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byTGTeamMonday,4August2014,01:28PM

Bothmethodsareperfectandareapplicableeverywhere.Stillsecondonewillgiveyouexactnumberofsolutions
whilefirstoneonlygiveahintfortheanswer.

KamalLohia
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byDimpleMehtaMonday,3November2014,03:30PM

hiTG
thnxforsuchawonderfularticle...pleasetellmeifupostedanyarticleonIntegralSolution??Icouldn'tfinddat..plshlpmeindatconcept..
thnx
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Re:PermutationandCombination
byMadhurajTripathiSaturday,21March2015,09:09PM

Canyouexplainthefollowingtermsplease:

4*3inC(4,1)43.

C(4,1)inC(4,1)2C(4,1)

C(3,1)2inC(4,3)C(4,2)C(3,1)2

C(2,1)C(3,1)inC(4,3)C(4,2)C(2,1)C(3,1)2
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