Minutes of Meeting APMAS Startup Workshop

Minutes of Meeting
APMAS Start Up Workshop
Thailand, 11 July 2010, 09.00 – 12.30

Attendance:

 APMAS Target Project Managers (attached)  Prof. Sudip K. Rakshit (AIT)
 Mr. Ganesh Thapa (IFAD)  Dr. Sundar Venkatesh (AIT)
 Mr. Mattia Prayer Galletti (IFAD)  Dr. Mokbul M. Ahmad (AIT)
 Ms. Atsuko Toda (IFAD)  Dr. Kyoko Kusakabe (AIT)
 Ms. Chase Palmeri (IFAD)  Dr. Philippe Doneys (AIT)
 Ms. Ayurzana Puntsagdaava (IFAD)  Mr. Agus Nugroho (AIT)
 Mr. Sakphouseth Meng (IFAD‐Cambodia)  Dr. Faiz Shah (Facilitator)
 Mr. Shaheel Rafique (IFAD‐India)  Dr. Md. Zakir Hossein (Rapporteur)
 Mr. Soulivanh Pattivong (IFAD‐Laos)  Mr. Amandeep Singh Sangha (Rapporteur)
 Mr. Nguyen Thanh Tung (IFAD‐Viet Nam)

Distribution:

 All attendees
 File

Agenda
08.30 ‐ 09.00 Registration of Participants
09.00 ‐ 09.15 Opening Remarks:
 Prof. Sudip Rakshit (Vice President for Research AIT)
 Mr. Ganesh Thapa (Regional Economist, IFAD Asia Pacific Division)

09.15 ‐ 9.45 Presentation on APMAS Project Design

 Ms. Ayurzana Puntsagdavaa (IFAD Task Manager)

 Ms. Chase Palmeri (IFAD KM ‐ Gender Specialist)

9.45 ‐ 10.00 Coffee Break

10.00 ‐ 10.30 APMAS Work Plan July ‐ December 2010
Mr. Agus Nugroho (APMAS Project Coordinator)

10.30 ‐ 11.45 Comments and Discussion

11.45 ‐ 12.00 Closing Remarks
Mr. Ganesh Thapa

Summary

1. Introduction on APMAS and AIT
 AIT was the first postgraduate regional institute in Asia, established in 1959 (as SEATO
Graduate School).
 Currently the financial model of adopt non‐self core funding, which rely on donor
contributions. AIT functions as Independent organization, different from other Thai
universities.
 AIT new financial model: setting up of 4‐ 5 satellite campuses in region for undergraduate
programs.
 AIT extension program conducts professional non‐degree programs throughout year, many
governments and public/private institutions have used the AIT Extension’s programme, e.g.
training for English teachers from Sri Lanka on ICT training delivery and management
training for 30 VC’s from Pakistan.
 As IFAD desires to have pool of managers with adequate managerial skill to deliver projects
in more efficiently within APMAS, AIT can help to achieve this by using AIT internal
resources and draw outside expertise.
 AIT will also initiate exchange of ideas and experience among IFAD project managers to help
their colleagues in performing better project management.
 There is tendency of renewed attention to agriculture sector in terms of ODA due to poor
performance and food crisis of 2007‐2008, therefore donor agencies demand quicker
responses on projects feedback and implementation, even more emphasis on result‐based
management.
 Hence a further capacity building is needed for agricultural project management skills to
cope with those issues.
 APMAS objective is to strengthen capacity of IFAD staff, especially those who works in
Project Management, and also to strengthen capacity of project stake holders, such as
Service Providers, government and NGOs.
 Currently there is already a knowledge sharing initiative within IFAD which is called ENRAP
(Knowledge Networking for Rural Development in Asia/Pacific Region).
 APMAS will focus on 3 aspects: (1) enhancing managerial skills, (2) strengthening soft skills
such as coordination & negotiation, (3) capacity building of managers for different projects.
 APMAS will use demand driven, flexible approaches. APMAS also expects AIT to utilize
available expertise from other regions.

2. APMAS Project Design
 APMAS was designed to improve efficiency and development of rural projects in South‐Asia
 APMAS scope within 3 years includes Project Management (project planning, managing and
evaluation), Agri. Community Development and Gender Mainstreaming. APMAS will also
encourage knowledge sharing within the target projects in those areas.
 APMAS Budget is 1.4 million, and will be using co‐financing with country projects to run
activities.
 Ongoing projects in 4 participating countries are eligible for APMAS support.
 Component 1 of APMAS: (1) enhancing project managers’ capacity, (2) enhancing service
providers’ capacity, (3) improving knowledge management.
 Component 2 of APMAS: awareness among government and NGO on the importance of
project management skills and knowledge management.

 Component 3 of APMAS: programme management
 Stakeholders involved: project managers, country focal points, IFAD country managers,
APMAS coordinators, Steering Committee (to be selected by IFAD and APMAS).
 Knowledge management (KM) is an ongoing exercise for Asia Pacific Division. What IFAD has
been aiming is to promote culture of knowledge sharing among project stakeholder.
 IFAD model of approach is working in decentralized KM efforts.
 With KM component, APMAS hopes to encourage project managers to help each other by
active sharing of knowledge and experience, within the projects and among the projects.
 KM efforts will be the responsibility of project managers, service providers, trainers, KM
officers involved within APMAS.
 In APMAS, gender perspective will also be covered by APMAS KM‐Gender Officer.
 Beside online KM sharing basis, face to face interaction will also be used to generate better
impact from exchange of ideas, knowledge and experience.

3. APMAS Work Plan
 PDNA has been conducted to assess real and current skills of managers in IFAD project,
which through an analysis, considering the IFAD review criteria, project needs and objective,
will result in the conclusion on professional needs of managers.
 PDNA process has reflected demand‐driven approach of APMAS
 Preliminary conclusion, APMAS activities which will be conducted during July – December
will cover the following areas:
o Project Management: communication, negotiation and time management skills
o Agri. Community Development: Participatory Rural Appraisal (PRA) and further
application
o Gender Mainstreaming: Gender Indicator Development
o IFAD Specific training in Finance, Procurement and M&E
o Establishment of APMAS website and knowledge sharing mechanism

4. Comments and Discussion
Cambodia:
 PRA methodologies have also been practiced widely in Cambodia; APMAS should be able to
give value addition to implementation of PRA.
 The issues in PRA are more on approaches at the grass‐root level, e.g. group formation, etc.
 APMAS should add on local ongoing capacity development towards project management
units and also in coordinating/assisting service providers. APMAS should cover topics which
are not covered by existing service providers.
 It was suggested that since APMAS resource is limited, a model approach should be created
and then project fund can be used to finance further interventions.
 The PDNA report should also be shared to country office for inputs.

India:
 APMAS should support senior project managers to share knowledge and experience among
projects in local settings (project field level visits, etc).
 APMAS performance will be measured, among others, from the ability to network with
other local institutions, for India, APMAS should consider CCL which has conducted works
with IFAD as potential local partner.
 As there are also changes and substitutions in project management officials, APMAS should
also include induction and orientation training for project managers.

 APMAS should ensure the “the trickle‐down effect” of the capacity building within the
projects and among stakeholders.
 APMAS should also develop a sound monitoring system to capture the results and feedback
from project implementation. The project design should be made flexible.
 APMAS is expected to develop capacity building for project managers addressing specific
project‐issues, and also initiate KM activities such as: newsletter, sharing of module and best
practices.
 Approach to APMAS imparting training in terms of project knowledge. “Component
integration management” should be also addressed in APMAS capacity building. How to
assess project management skills of working people.
 APMAS should consider project coaching approach to address project‐specific issues, and
share the approach to the field level.
 APMAS framework should be redesigned if necessary to reflect the real needs of the country
and projects.
 Issues of PRA are almost the same for each country, what needs to be address is the
implementation at the grass‐root level.

Laos:
 APMAS is expected to ensure long term vision for project. Consider about outputs for
future, follow up activities after project completion (sustainability).
 Generic themes should be country specific, e.g. Value chain, marketing, PPP,
Universities/Academic Research institutions can provide service providers but need
exposure for development areas.

Vietnam:
 In the project level has already work with PRA and in fact there are several manual available
in the field. The PRA capacity building should be focused on orientating PRA towards specific
issues, such as market orientation, and also on share learning from implementation of PRA.
In Viet Nam, the basic of PRA is already sufficient to cater the needs in the project and field,
APMAS should ensure its intervention will not add another different method.
 In Viet Nam, the country office has initiated the selection of local service providers. APMAS
will take inputs from Viet Nam on the existing and potential service providers and also
consult on criteria of selection. APMAS will also use the network of AIT Center Viet Nam to
identify potential service providers and conduct local capacity building.
 One of the APMAS objectives is to develop capacity of service providers enabling them to
support IFAD projects in the country, therefore even if the selected service providers have
not fulfill the capacity, APMAS will build on their potentials.
 AIT Extension provides specific technical trainings deemed necessary for country office, such
as Value chain training. With AITCV, the course can be decentralized and conducted in much
lower costs.
 APMAS should develop work plan also based on the specific country‐needs, and each
country has different priorities to be considered. More detailed work plan will adopt results
and conclusions from PDNA.
 KM should be run immediately, since the country office/projects have already aware and
implement some of KM practices, APMAS should also consider experience from the country.

APMAS‐IFAD
 APMAS Work plan will be based on PDNA report, addressing country‐specific and if possible
project‐specific issues.
 Beside online, learning offline, face to face sharing with other projects will also be explored,
existing mechanisms will be consulted.
 APMAS will not be able to meet all demands from the countries/projects as the resources
are limited and should be used efficiently. Together with country and projects, APMAS will
prioritize needs within APMAS framework objectives of project management capacity
development.
 If there are changes within APMAS framework needed, it should be justified as to why the
changes are proposed. Flexibility should be within APMAS objectives.

5. Other Announcement
 Mr. Baite and Mr. Marbaniang announced an International Workshop on Community based
Biodiversity Conservation and Livelihood to be November 2010. For further information feel
free to contact Mr. Baite and Mr. Marbaniang.

CAMBODIA 7 Participants / 4 Projects

Focal point Meng Sakphouseth
Country Ops. Officer
Organization: IFAD
178 EI ,Street 128 , Phnom Penh,Cambodia
Tel: + 855 12928093
E mail : m.sakphouseth@ifad.org

Rural Poverty Reduction Project in Prey Veng and Svay Rieng – RPRP
1. Mr. Hok Kimthourn
Deputy National Project Coordinator
Project Support Unit
Ministry of Agriculture
#200 Preek , Norodom Boulevard
Tonle Basak , Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Tel: +855 23 993342 (office), +855 16449693 (mobile)
Fax: +855 23 994954
Email: hok@camnet.com.kh

2. Mrs. Sao Somantha
Finance Officer
Tel : +855 23 993342 (Office), +855 12207157 (mobile)
Fax : +855 23 994954
Email: saosomantha@everyday.com.kh;sao_somantha@yahoo.com
Rural Livelihoods Improvement Project in Kratie, Preah Vihear and Ratanakiri – RULIP
3. Mr. Duong Kimchhean
Monitoring and Evaluation Officer
Tel : +855 23 6650505 (office) , +855 16930556 (mobile)
Fax : +855 23 994906
Email: chhean1@yahoo.com

4. Mrs. Chan Nayheang
Finance Officer
Tel : +855 23 994954 (office), +855 12509040 (mobile)
Fax : +855 23 994954
Email: c_nayheang@yahoo.com
Rural Livelihoods Improvement Project
5. Mr. Ouk Vuthirith
Deputy National Project Coordinator
Tel : +855 23 994906 (office), +855 12867844 , (855) 85327838 (mobile)
Fax: +855 23 994906
Email: oukvuthirith@camnet.com.kh , oukvuthirith@yahoo.com

6. Mr. Keo Vibol
IFAD Liaison Officer
Ministry of Economy and Finance
#92 , Sangkat Wat Phnom , Khan Daun Penh , Phnom Penh
Tel: +855 23 426295( office ), +855 12970790 (mobile)
Fax: +855 23 725341
E mail: vibol_keo@mef.gov.kh, lo_wdb@yahoo.co.uk
Community‐Based Agricultural Productivity Project – CBAPP
7. Mr. The Chhunhak
Gender Mainstreaming Coordinator
Ministry of Women’s Affairs
No 3 Narodom Boulevar, Sangkat Wat Phnom
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Tel : +855 23 220531 (office) , +855 1298 8841 (mobile)
Fax:
Email: chhunhak@online.com.kh

INDIA 13 Participants / 8 Projects

Focal Point Mr. Shaheel Rafique
Implementation Support Specialist
International Fund for Agricultural Development
India Country Office
2 Poorvi Marg, Vasant Vihar
New Delhi 110057, India
Tel: +91 11 46554056 ext. 2995 (office)
+91 9654592192 (mobile)
Fax: +91 11 46554055
Email: shaheel.rafique@wfp.org; s.rafique@ifad.org

North Eastern Region Community Resource Management Project II
8. Mr. Lamkhosei Baite
Programme Coordinator & Development Strategist
NERCORMP , Sympli Building , First floor
Malki‐Dhankheti ,Shillong – 793001 ,Meghalaya, India
Tel: +91 364 2500495 /96/97 (office) , +91 9402196236 (mobile)
Fax: +91 364 2500027
Email: Pcdsnercormp@gmail.com

9. Mr. Adrian Marbaniang
Monitoring and Evaluation Officer
NERCORMP
Sympli Building , First floor ,
Malki‐Dhankheti ,Shillong – 793001 ,Meghalaya , India
Tel : +919436100868(mobile phone)
Fax: +913642500027
Email: buggieblues@yahoo.com
Orissa Tribal Empowerment and Livelihoods Program
10. Mr. Pravanjan Mohapatra
Programme Officer
OTELP , ST &SC Development Department , Government of Orissa
Programme Support Unit , 2ND Floor ,TDCC Building ,
Bhoi Nagar, Bhubaneswar, Orissa , India
Fax: +91 674‐2541772
Email: pravanjan@otelp.org , pravanjan@rediffmail.com

Livelihoods Improvement Project for the Himalayas
11. Mr. Rais Ahmad
District Project Manager
Uttarakhand Gramya Vikas Samitee Dehradun
Talla Daniya , Dhara Naula , Almora
Uttrakhand, India
Tel: +91 94 12162034 (mobile)
Fax: +91 5962 230910
Email: raiskhan10@rediffmail.com , raiskahmad74@yahoo.co.in
Convergence of Agricultural Interventions in Maharashtra
12. Mr. Satish W. Warade
Convergence Officer
Convergence of Agricultural Interventions in Maharashtra
Plot No : R‐7 , Market Yard , Pune – 411037, India
Tel : +91 20 24261190 (office), + 91 9422884198 (mobile)
Fax : + 912024272095
Email: satishwarade@yahoo.co.in ,caim_psu@msamb.com

13. Mr. Sudam Pawar
Additional Programme Director
Conergence of Agricultural Intervention in Maharashtra
Office of Division Commissioner
Amravati Maharashtra State , India
Tel: +91 721‐2552475 (office), +91 9850066049 (mobile)
Email: apd.caim@gmail.com
Chhattisgarth Tribal Development Programme
14. Mr. Anupam Trivedi
Deputy Programme Director
Chhatisgarh Tribal Development Society Raipur
C‐35 Ravi Nagar Pin N92001 , Near Collectorate Building
Raipur, Chhatisgarh ,India
Tel: +91 771 2434213 (office) +91 9584750835, +91 9406403962 (mobile)
Fax: +91 771 2434213
Email: cjtdp@yahoo.com
Jharkhand Tribal Development Programme
15. Mr. Manoj Sinha
District Programme Manager
Jharkhand Tribal Development Society, H‐11
Harmu Housing Colony, Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Tel: +91 651 2247058/2247060 (office), +91 94 31103615 (mobile)
Fax: +91 651‐2247058/ 2247060
Email: manojsinha_jsr@rediffmail.com

16. Dr. P.C. Oraon
Programme Director
Jharkhand Tribal Development Society H‐11 ,
Harmu Housing Colony, Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
Tel: +91 651 2247058 /2247074 (office) , +91 94 31106442 (mobile)
Fax:+ 91 651 2247058
Email: spd.jtds@rediffmail.com
Post‐Tsunami Sustainable Livelihoods Programme for the Coastal Communities of Tamil Nadu
17. Mr. Hitesh Kumar S. Makwana
Programme Director
PTSLP, TN ,India
100, Anna Salai Guindy, Chennai 600032 ,India
Tel: +91 44 42012043(office), +91 94 44407937 (mobile phone)
Fax: +91 44 42012043
Email: hksmak@gmail.com

18. Mr. K. Ramamurthy
Livelihood and Microfinance Manager
PTSLP, Government of Tamil Nadu
No 100, Anna Salai, Guindy
Chennai 600 032, India
Tel: +91 44 4201 2043 (office); + 91 94 44957572 (mobile)
Fax: +91 44 4201 2043
Email: adrdptslp@gmail.com
Women's Empowerment and Livelihoods Programme in the Mid‐Gangetic Plains
19. Mr. Anil Kumar Singh
National Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development (NABARD)
A‐5/44 , Nabard Nagar , Thakur Complex
Kandivali (E) , Mumbai , India 400101
Tel: +91 22 26539306 (office) ,+ 91 98 19418150(mobile)
Fax: +91 22 26528141
Email: aksinghlko@rediffmail.com
20. Mr. Lakheswar Saikia
Director
Ministry of Women and Child Development, Jeevandeep Building
Room No. 105, Opposite Parliament Police station, Parliament Street, New Delhi India
Tel: +91 11 23743980 (office), + 91 99 99811345 (mobile)
Fax: +91 11 23743980
Email: l.saikia@nic.in

LAOS 11 Participants / 6 Projects
Focal Point Mr. Soulivanh Pattivong
Division Deputy Director
Department of International Cooperation
Ministry of Planning and Investment
Souphanuvong Road, Vientiane Capital, Laos PDR
Tel: +856 21 222793 (office)
+856 20 2222060 (mobile)
Fax: +856 21 222793
Email:soulivanh2005@yahoo.co.uk

Oudomai Community Initiatives Support Project
21. Mr. Bounta Phetdara
Deputy Director General (DPI)
OCISP‐Oudomxay
Oudomxay Province, Lao PDR
Tel: +856 81 212468 (office), +856 20 3960333 (mobile)
Fax: +856 81 211743
Email: phetdara_dpi@ocisp.org; phetdarab@yahoo.com

22. Mr. Chanthabouli Vanthalack
Deputy Project Director
DPI, OCISP‐Oudomxay
Oudomxay Province, Lao PDR
Tel: +856 81 211743, +856 81 212468 (office)
Fax: +856 81 211743
Email: vanthalack@yahoo.com
Rural Livelihoods Improvement Programme in Attapeu
23. Mr Soulichanh Phonekeo
Project Director
Rural Livelihoods Improvement Program
Saisy Village, Saisettha District, Lao PDR
Tel: +856 20 5521416
Fax: +856 36 211884
Email: soulichanhp@yahoo.com

24. Mr. Vilaphonh Soutthalavong
Rural Livelihoods Improvement Program
Saisy Village, Sai Settha District, Lao PDR
Tel: +856 20 2901193
Fax: +856 36 211884
Email: ‐

Rural Livelihoods Improvement Programme in Sayabouri
25. Mr. Khamphout Inthavong
Rural Livelihood Improvement Programme (RLIP)
Sayaboury Province, RLIP, Hongsa District, Sayaboury Province, Laos
Tel: +856 74211782 (Office); +856 20 5577680 (Mobile)
Fax: +856 74211783
Email: khamphout@gtzrural.org

26. Mr. Khammanh Khounphilavanh
Head of Financial Unit
Rural Livelihood Improvement Programme,
Phoonsoung Village, Hongsa District, Sayaboury Province, Laos PDR
Tel: + 856 74211783 (office), +856 2055577770 (mobile)
Fax: +856 74211783
Email: khounphilavanh@yahoo.com
Sustainable Natural Resource Management and Productivity Enhancement Project
27. Mr. Vinoth Vansy
National Project Director
Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry
Department of Plan, SNRMPE Project (IFAD‐ADB), Vientiane Capital, Lao PDR
Tel: +856 21 285171, +856 20 99901190
Fax: +856 21 285172
Email: vinus_lao02@yahoo.com

28. Mr. Sangna Phanakhone
Head of Financial Unit
Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry
Vientiane Capital, Lao PDR
Tel: +856 21 285171 (office); +856 20 55615644
Fax: +85621 285172
Email: snmapep5@gmail.com
Northern Region Sustainable Livelihoods through Livestock Development
29. Mr. Hongxay Bansalith
Administrative Officer
Northern Region Sustainable Livelihoods through Livestock Development
Photisalad Road, Phabath Tai Village, Luang Prabang District
Luang Prabang District and Province, Laos PDR
Tel: +856 71254951, +856 202449972
Fax: +856 71254950
Email: hongxay@gmail.com

30. Mr. Moua Yang
Head of Implementation Unit
Northern Region Sustainable Livelihood through Livestock Development Project
P.O Box 59, Laos Photisalad Road , Phabath Tai Village, Luang Prabang District
Luang Prabang Province, Laos PDR
Tel: +856 71254951 (office), +856 2056060260
Fax: +856 71254950
Email: moyang73@yahoo.com

Lao Women's Union
31. Ms. Vilaivanh Keopaseuth
Officer, International Relations Division
Lao Women’s Union
P.O. Box 59, Chanthabouly District
Vientiane Lao PDR
Tel: +856 21 214306 (office), +856 20 55404506
Fax: +856 21214306
Email: vilaivankeopaseuth@yahoo.com

VIETNAM 9 Participants / 5 Projects

Focal Point Mr. Nguyen Thanh Tung
Country Program Officer
IFAD Office of Vietnam
2E Van Phuc Diplomat Square, Hanoi, Vietnam
Tel: +84 43 8237231 (office)
+84 90 3412977
Email: tung.ifadvn@vnn.vn

Developing Business with the Rural Poor Programme in BenTre
32. Mr. Nguyen Trung Chuong
Deputy Director
Developing Business with The Rural Poor Programme,
Bentre Province, IFAD
28 Le Dai Hanh Road, 3 Ward, Bentre Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 3511227 (office), +84 913965437 (mobile
Fax: +84 3511227
Email: chuongdbrpbt@yahoo.com

33. Mr. Nong Minh Thang
DBRP Cao Bang
025, Be Van Dan Street, Cao Bang Town, Vietnam
Tel: +84 263958688 (office), +84 986968173
Fax: +84 263954608
Email: nongminhthang@yahoo.com.vn
Programme for Improving Market Participation of the Poor in Ha Tinh
34. Mr Phan Thanh Bien
Project Director
Improving Market Participation of The Poor, Hatinh Project
12 Vo Liem Son, Hatinh City, Hatinh Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 39 3857694 (office); +84 90 3437405
Fax: +84 39 3858993
Email: bienhrdp@gmail.com

35. Mr. Ta Van Dung
Rural Income Diversification Project (RIDP)
Tuyen Quang Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 27 3822690 (office); +84 91 4509648
Fax: +84 27 3822663
Email: tadungridp@vnn.vn

Decentralised Programme for Rural Poverty Reduction in Ha Giang
36. Mr. La Truong Giang
DPDR Ha Giang
Ha Giang Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 21 93868410 (office), +84 91 2257151 (mobile)
Fax: +84 21 93868153
Email: giangvienhg@yahoo.com.vn

37. Ms. Le Thi Van Hong
Decentralised Program for Rural Poverty Reduction
Quang Binh Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 52 3850790 (office), +84 93 5697405
Fax: +84 52 3821138
Email: hongdppr@gmail.com
Pro‐Poor Partnerships for Agro‐forestry Development in Bac Kan
38. Mr. Bui Nguyen Quynh
Pro‐Poor Partnerships for Agro Forestry Development (3 PAD)
Bac Kan Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 281 3811889 (office), +84 975 025 107
Fax: ‐
Email: buiquynhcm@gmail.com

39. Mr. Huynh Vinh Huong
Project Director
Pilot Project for Poverty Reduction
Lapa District, Cia Lai, Vietnam
Fax: +84 59 3655576
Email: huynhvinhhuong@gmail.com
Decentralised Programme for Rural Poverty Reduction in Quang Binh
40. Ms. Dao Thi Lan Anh
Project Officer / Interpreter
Decentralised Programme for Rural Poverty Reduction
Quang Binh Province, Vietnam
Tel: +84 52 3843786 (office), +84 905 704041
Fax: +84 52 3821138
Email: lgad1981@yahoo.com

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