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Thedifferencebetweenconservativeandliberalideologycouldbeassimpleasnotingthedifference POPULARON
betweenatriangleandavaguelytrianglelikeblob.AnewstudyintheJournalofPersonalityand
SocialPsychologyfindsthatconservativesaremorerigidaboutclassifyingshapesthanliberals.
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Thestudy,conductedbyresearchersattheUniversityofQueenslandandtheUniversityof
Pennsylvania,exploresthehypothesisthatconservativesaremoresensitivetodeviancethan
liberals.Inthreedifferentexperiments,researchersaskedpeopletodifferentiatebetweenperfect
andimperfectshapes.Thestudysubjectsalsofilledoutquestionnairesregardingtheirpolitical
beliefsandtheirsenseofmoraloutrageovergroupsofpeoplewhodeviatefromsocialnormsor
rules.
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Theyfoundthatthemoreconservativeviewsapersonendorsed,themorelikelytheywereto GiveChuckTaylorsaMakeover
differentiatebetweenperfectshapesandtheirambiguouslyimperfectcounterpartslikeatriangle
thatsjustalittleroundedoraslightlywobblycircle.Inotherwords,conservativesweremore
sensitivetodeviancefromthevisualstandard,justastheymightbemoresensitivetodeviancefrom
socialnorms.
Thisisnotthefirststudytotiepoliticalideologytopeoplesreactionstoseeminglyunrelatedvisuals.
A2014studyfoundthatconservativesreactmorestronglytodisgustingimagesthanliberals.And
theresawholebodyofresearchthatattemptstotiepoliticalbeliefswithdifferencesinthebrain.MRI
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scansofliberalsandconservativeshaveshownthatthelattertendtohavelargeramygdalas,a
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regionofthebrainthatplaysaroleinfearandthreatrecognition.One2014studyfoundthat
conservativeshaveagreaterbiastowardnegativity.A2015studyfoundthatconservativeshave
moreselfcontrolthanliberals.
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"conservativesaremorerigidaboutclassifyingshapesthanliberals"
ChristopherWalken
That'sonewaytoputit.
AnotherwaywouldbetoobservethatDemocratshavemoretroublemakingimportant
distinctionsbetweenshapes.
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DMC>johnfembupayearago
Yetanotherwaytoputitmightbethatliberalsdon'tgiveadamnaboutirregularity,
andit'snotthatwecan'tmakethedistinctions,it'sthatwedon'twanttomakethe
distinctions.Thesummarydidn'tsayanythingaboutability.
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YoureEmbarassingYourself>DMCayearago
ew
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PedroOliveira>DMC8monthsago
Alsoknownasvoluntaryautism.
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NeilDavis>PedroOliveira7monthsago
Actuallyvoluntaryautismwouldbemoreinlinewithexcessivelyrigid
classification.
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Ken>johnfembupayearago
Whyis"moretrouble..."theoppositeof"morerigid..."inthiscase?Isn'ttheopposite
of"morerigid"actuallyjust"lessrigid"?Thissoundseerilysimilartotheoppositeof
"prochoice"being"prolife"insteadof"antichoice".Languagematters,andit
soundstomelikeit'stoooftenbeingusedtofragmentusratherthanbringus
together.
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johnfembup>Kenayearago
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OKfellas,fairpoints.Sotrythis: MENTAL_FLOSS
AnotherwaywouldbetoobservethatDemocratsarelessrigidmaking
importantdistinctionsamongshapes.
Bothstatementstheoriginalarticleandmineseemtomevalueladen.
Thatis,themeaningdependsonhowonevaluesbeing"rigid"aboutthe
descriptionofshapesinthiscase,geometricshapes.That'sreallythe
pointIhadinmindfromthestart.
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pointIhadinmindfromthestart.
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Fromyourcomments,itseemstomeyouagreethestatementsarevalue GiveChuckTaylorsaMakeover
laden.Dan'spointisespeciallyrelevant.It'snotthatDemocratscan'tsee
differencesRepublicanssee.Theyjustchoosenottopayattentiontothem.
(btw,IamalifelongregisteredDemocratinfact,aKennedyDemocrat,
whichprobablyexplainsmyalienationfromthemodernDemocratParty).
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Quandary>johnfembupayearago TradingSpaces
AboutDemocratsofthepast:myfatherandhisbrotherswhopre
datedthatfamilybyroughlyagenerationmovedaboutinsociety,
thebanter/laughter,carriedanoveralllookintheloosedtietotossa
ballwithuskids,thatresonatedinusinwatchingtheKennedysat
informalrepartee.Thedifferenceswereindistinguishablein
speakingpersonallytheonegroupoffamilybrothersfromthe
other.(dressedconservatively,managedwithoutbeingmillionaires).
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WhatwouldDemocratsofthepastthinkaboutthe
ChristopherWalken
Democrats/liberalsoftoday?
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Whoare"they"?Deplorable>Quandaryayearago
Iranacrossagoodexample,whichwouldshowthedifference.
Obamahasmadespeechesabouttaxes,in62Kennedymadea
speechabouttaxes,alsoReaganmadeaspeechabouttaxes.Allof
theseareonyoutube.Gowatchthemanddecidewhich2sound
similar.
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Paladine>johnfembup10monthsago
IamaproudDemocratbecauseourstandardisprogressivism!
OnethingIknowforsure...AtleastIain'taRepublican!
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Trak>Ken7monthsago
"Languagematters"isn'tthatreallywhatthisarticleisabout?Language
tendstomattermoretoconservatives,whereasliberalsaremorelaxit?
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AshlynVaughn>johnfembupayearago
Nottrue.Interestinghowyouhadtolabelsomeone'spolicitalparty.Ifindthisspot
on.Conservativeshaddifficultyseeingbeyondtheirownsometimesbigotedbeliefs.
Liberalsembracedifferences.
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WiredWhale>AshlynVaughnayearago
Liberalsembracedifferences,exceptwhenitcomestoreligionandrhetoric,
andonlywhenthesocialclimatetellsthemtodoit.Therewasatimewhen
the"liberal"thingtodowastoshunandcondemnhomosexuals.Therewas
atimewhenthe"liberal"thingtodowastohaveonlywhitemenbeableto
vote.Therewasatimewhenthe"liberal"thingtodoinvolvedwearingwhite
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hoodsandtorchingpoliticiansinthestreets.Therewasatimewhenthe MENTAL_FLOSS
"liberal"thingtodowastodroptwonukesoncivilianzonestosenda
messagetoanenemymilitaryleader.Andyes,therewasatimewhenthe
"liberal"thingtodowastolaydownyourlifefortherighttoenslaveothers.
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timasp>WiredWhaleayearago
Yes,butatthetime,itwasthe"everyone"thing,the"liberal"and
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DanielThompson>WiredWhaleayearago
You'reconfusing'liberal'and'democrat'.Thoseideaswerenever
liberal,buttheywereheldbydemocrats.Democratswerenot
alwaysliberal.Tosuggestthattheprostatesrightsantiequality
southernsofthecivilwarwereliberalissilly.'Liberal'and
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'conservative'arebasicideologies,theydonotchange.Democrat
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andRepublicanarepoliticalparties.Theplatformsofthoseparties
arealwaysevolving,sometimesinconflictwithwhethereitherparty
tendstobeliberalorconservativeatthemoment.
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WiredWhale>DanielThompsonayearago
Noconfusionatall.TheDemocratshavealwaystoutedthemselves 10SurprisingFactsAbout
asthe"liberal"partyinfirsthanddocuments,evenbackduringthe ChristopherWalken
earlyyearsoftheparty.Asone19thcenturypunditnoted,President
Jacksonwasvery"liberal"...withhisledgers...
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DanielThompson>WiredWhaleayearago
AndHitlertoutedhimselfasChristian.Obamatoutshimselfas
relativelyconservative.Ifyoulistentowhatpoliticianssayrather
thanwatchingwhattheydothenyou'reafool.Pleaseexplainwhich
oftheconfederaciesagendaswereliberal?Isfightingtoincrease
governmentpowerliberalorconservative?Isfightingforstates
rightsandlimitedgovernmentliberalorconservative?Istryingto
preservetheoldwayliberalorconservative?
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WiredWhale>DanielThompsonayearago
NotrueScotsman,huh?ROFL.
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DanielThompson>WiredWhaleayearago
You'reevadingbecauseyoudon'thaveananswer.Youdon'tappear
tounderstandtheNoTrueScottsmanfallacy.Liberal/Conservative
arenotimmutablequalitiessuchthatsomeonewhoisaself
proclaimedliberaldefineswhatliberalsdo.Instead,liberal,inthe
politicalsense,hasadefinitionwhichcanbeusedtodetermine
whetherornotsomeonefallswithinthatgroup.
Nationality(Scottsman)isimmutable,youareobjectivelya
Scottsman,soaScottsman'sactionsdefinewhataScottsman
woulddo,thereforeitisafallacytosayaScottsmanwouldnotdo
XYZifsomeonewhoisobjectivelyfromScotlanddoesXYZ.In
contrast,conservative/liberalaredefinedideologies,sowhetheror
notyouadheretothoseideologiesdetermineswhetherornotyou
arealiberalorconservative.Youractionsdonotchangewhatit
meanstobeconservative/liberal,youractionschangewhetheror
notyoufallunderthepredefineddefinitionofliberal/conservative.IfI POPULARON
declaremyselftobeconservativebutthenwanttoincreasethe
powerofthefederalgovernment,increasetaxes,increasespending, MENTAL_FLOSS
etc.Ihavenotproventhatconservativessupportthosethings,
ratherIhaveproventhatIamnotconservative.Iknowyou
understandthis,sowhyareyouevadingit?
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WiredWhale>DanielThompsonayearago
See,nowthat'satrueScotsman,rightthere.Takingonesidewhen
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See,nowthat'satrueScotsman,rightthere.Takingonesidewhen
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it'smoreconvenient,andtheothersidewhenitis.
GiveChuckTaylorsaMakeover
Yourargumenthasnothingtodowithwhatwewereoriginallytalking
about,unlessyourgoatistocontradictyourself.
Let'ssee...somethingaboutthewayIdidn'tcapitalizeacertainword
toaccentuateit,causingyoutomisinterpretit...somethingabouta
comma...somethingaboutcognitiveimpairment...yadayadayada...
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Canwehurrythisalongabit?I'mnotspendingmywholeweekend TradingSpaces
needlesslytalkingtoabaleofhay.
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Wynnefael>DanielThompson9daysago
HitlerdidNOTconsiderhimselfaChristian.Pleasedoyour
research.
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livingonapear>WiredWhaleayearago
Youdoknowthatthewords"democrat""Republican"and"liberal"
arenotmagicwords,right?Thatdefinitionsandtermschangeas
theircontextchanges,youunderstandthat,right?
Classicalliberalismisnotthesameastoday'sstandarddefinitionof
liberalismandthestatesrights/austerityplatformsthatdominatedthe
Democraticpartyoflongagoismoresimilartothemodern
RepublicanplatformthantothemodernDemocraticplatform.
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WiredWhale>livingonapearayearago
Nope.Wilson,Jackson,andSandersare/wereobsessedwithwhat
theycoulddowithotherpeople'smoney.
Ohbutwait.ThisisMentalfloss,isn'tit?Sothecorrectwayto
respondistobecondescending,dismissive,andegotistical,right?
Sorry,butIdon'tknowhowtodothosethingswithoutresortingto
metasatire.
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johnfembup>DanielThompsonayearago
"'Liberal'and'conservative'arebasicideologies,theydonot
change."
Thatseemstomeanoddbelief.Modernliberalismisfardifferent
fromclassicalliberalism.Besides,IthinkmostDemocratstoday
selfidentifyasliberals,mostRepublicansasconservatives.
Butasithappens,IamaconservativeDemocrat.WhenIwasmuch
youngerIwasamainstreamliberalKennedyDemocrat.Mypolitical
viewshavenotchangedmuchover60years.Howeverthe
Democratpartyhaschangedalot.Hencemysenseofalienation
fromtoday'sDemocratparty.AndfromtheRepublicanParty,toofor
thatmatter. POPULARON
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DanielThompson>johnfembupayearago
Ididn'tintendtoimplythattheydonotevolveovertime,Isimply
meantthattheyarenotdefinedbypeoplewhoselfidentifyassuch,
butrathertheirexistingdefinitiondefineswhofallsundertheir
umbrella.Thedefinitionof'short'changesovertimeastheaverage
heightchanges,butyoudon'tdefinewhatshortistodaybyasking
someoneiftheyselfidentifyasshortandthenbasingthethe
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someoneiftheyselfidentifyasshortandthenbasingthethe
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definitionofshortontheiranswerandtheirheight.Shortisshort.IfI
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say6'5isn'tshortandyouciteabasketballplayerwhocallshimself
short,thatdoesn'tprovethat6'5isshort.Thewordisn'tdefinedby
theperson.Likewise,liberalisliberal.Ithasadefinitionandifyoudo
notfitit,youarenotamemberofthatgroup,regardlessofwhatyou
claimtobe.Theconfederatespoliticalviewsofstate'srightsand
maintainingthestatusquodonotbecome'liberalviews'justbecause
youcanfindabookwhereoneofthemdefinedthemselvesas
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'liberal'.EvenifWiredWhaletriestosaythathewastalkingabouta TradingSpaces
definitionofliberalwhichisdifferentfromthemodern,thatstill
undercutshisattempttolinkmodernliberals/democratstothe
confederacy.Everythingtheconfederacystoodforfallsunderthe
moderndefinitionofconservativessoyoucannotsay'liberals'
(implyingmodernliberals)usedtobeforxyz,whenxyzisclearlythe
oppositeofeverythingtheystandfor,bydefinition,asliberals.
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johnfembup>DanielThompsonayearago
"liberalisliberal.Ithasadefinitionandifyoudonotfitit,youarenot
amemberofthatgroup"
"Square"alsohasadefinition.Doyoubelieveageometricshapeon
aplane(suchastheresearchershowedthestudysubjects)isa
memberofthesetofallsquaresifandonlyifitfitsthedefinitionofa
square?Ifso,doesthatmakeyourbelief"rigid"?
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DanielThompson>johnfembupayearago
Ourdebateofwhetherornotliberalsusedtosupportslaveryisa
tangentstartedbyWiredWhalethathasnothingtodowiththis
article,buti'llbite.Yes,ashapemustmeetthedefinitionofasquare
tobeasquare.Yes,Iholdthingswitharigiddefinitiontoarigid
standard.Thedefinitionofaliberal/conservativeisn'tarigiddefinition
butI'mnotholdingittoarigidstandard,I'maskingforanyposition
heldbytheconfederacythatfitsthemoderndefinitionofliberal.If
someonecallsthemselvesaliberalyetyoucan'tnameasingle
liberalpositiontheyhold,isitfairtosaytheyrepresentliberalism?
Doyoudisagree?Doyouthinktheconfederatesrepresentmodern
liberalism?Dowhite,southern,christianantifederalist,prostates
rights,farmersfightingagainstprogressiveidealsofequalityinthe
nameofpropertyrightshaveanythingtodowithmodernliberals?
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johnfembup>DanielThompsonayearago
"Thedefinitionofaliberal/conservativeisn'tarigiddefinition"
Ofcourseit'snot.Ihavenotsuggestedotherwise.Butit'slikely
anotherreasonthatattemptstofigureoutaperson'spoliticalbeliefs
basedonwhattheycallgeometricshapesisanexerciseinfutility.I
thinkthat'savaluedrivenproposition,hidinginsideawrapperof
seemingobjectivity.I'veseennoreasonheretochangemythinking.
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"fightingagainstprogressiveidealsofequalityinthenameof
propertyrightshaveanythingtodowithmodernliberals?" MENTAL_FLOSS
Idealsarefine,everyoneshouldhaveatleastone.Andreasonable
peopleoftendisagree.Butsinceyouask,Ibelieveit'sreasonablefor
peoplewhoseidealsarefoundedonliberty,tofightagainstpeople
whoseidealsarefoundedonsuppressionoflibertyinthenameof
equalpropertyrights.
DanielThompson>johnfembupayearago
That'sfine,Idon'tdisagreewithanythingyoujustsaid,butnoneofit
hasanythingtodowithwhetherconfederateswereliberals.
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johnfembup>DanielThompsonayearago
Thanks.Ihaven'tbeencommentingonconfederatesanddon'tplan
to.
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TheLostFart>DanielThompson10monthsago
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That'seasy:(1)modernliberalsbelievethatonlycertainclassesof
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peopleshouldbeallowedtocarryweapons(justasslaveholders
deniedthatinalienablerighttotheirslaves)(2)modernliberals
believethatthemassesaretoostupidtogovernthemselvesand
theyneedthebenevolenceofarulingelite(justasslaveholders
consideredthemselvesthepatronsofignorantdarkies)(3)modern
liberalsclassifypeoplebygroupsratherthanasindividuals(justas
slaveholdersjustifiedexploitingindividualsbasedonsuperficial
distinctionsofskinpigmentation)...Thelistgoesonandon,butthe
pointisthatexceptthatmodernliberalswanttoextendslaverytoall
people(notjustthedarkerones)it'sdifficulttoseehowmodern
liberalsdifferfromtheirslaveholdingancestors.
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TimothyReeves>johnfembupayearago
/_\thisisasquarecuzIsaidso!
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JohnGalt>DanielThompsonayearago
Iwouldnotcallliberalismandconservatismideologies.They're
highlycontextualterms:usefultopeoplefamiliarwiththepolitical
issues,butnotverydescriptive.Leftvsright,progressivevs
conservative,authoritarianvslibertarian,andstatistvsindividualist
areallabitmoredescriptive.
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Nathair/|\>DanielThompsonayearago
Dependsonifbyliberal,youmeanclassicaleg.FrederichBastiat,
ThomasJeffersonandRonPaulormoderneg.Sanders,Castro
andKimJongUn.
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darla>WiredWhaleayearago
Soyouareconservativethen.Youholdtorigiddefinitionsthatare
centuriesoldandrefusetoallowchange. POPULARON
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WiredWhale>darlaayearago
Whyfixwhatisn'tbroken?Ohright.Becausesomeoneelseis
payingforit!
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TyroneSlothrop>WiredWhale8monthsago
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participateingayweddings?Liberalsdon'tembracedifferences, GiveChuckTaylorsaMakeover
theypenalizethem.
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WiredWhale>TyroneSlothrop8monthsago
Religionwassomewhatinvolved.
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BossySnowAngel>WiredWhale3monthsago TradingSpaces
Ithinkit'smorethatliberalsdon'twanttheretobeanabsoluteright
orwrongonanyissue.Theyliketothinkthatit'saslidingscaleof
correctnessandareloathetomakeacall.Consequentlyliberalsare
notverydiscriminatingorcognizantofmakingdecisionsthatmaybe
essentialbecauselikeitornot,sometimesanswersarerightor
wrong.
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Ann>AshlynVaughnayearago
I'mveryfarleftleaning,andIcanandwilldifferentiateshapes.
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fdsasds>johnfembupayearago
>Democrats
>liberal
Holyshit,you'reafuckingretard.
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johnfembup>fdsasdsayearago
fdasds,areyousuggestingliberalsandDemocratsarecompletelydistinct?
Nooverlap?TheDemocratandliberal"shapes"havezeroflexinthem?
Becausetherecertainlyisoverlap,alotofit,amongDemocratsandliberals.
Soyourinsistencethereisnosuchoverlap,ifthat'swhatyouaresaying,
wouldbearigidattitudemarkingyoualikelyconservative.Accordingtothe
researchreportedinthelinkedarticle,ofcourse.
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YuffieJustice>johnfembupayearago
NojohnfembubIamaMarxistanditisourknowledgethatfeedsall,clothesall,and
makessureyouandyourspouse,andyourownlovedoneshasahomeandare
notonthestreets.Capitalismisevil.ConservativesareXenophobic.Sojustknow
thatIamnottheonewhowouldevervouchforconservativesignorance.
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HaveYourCake>YuffieJustice19daysago
ThenyoudonotcomprehendtheresultsofMarxism/Communism.
Theendresultiseveryoneinpoverty,anddevelopmentstagnated.
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DanielBurnett>johnfembupayearago MENTAL_FLOSS
Youbringupthequestion:whyisit"important"thatatrianglehaveperfectlystraight
edgestobeconsideredatriangle?Youusedthewordimportant,andI'mtryingto
understandwhythisisatallimportant.
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CharityMoore>johnfembupayearago
It'sobviousyoudidn'tlookatthetestquestions...Itwasn'taboutdistinguishing
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It'sobviousyoudidn'tlookatthetestquestions...Itwasn'taboutdistinguishing
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betweenshapessoIdkwhereyoucameupwiththat.It'skindoflikehowIwould
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tellsomeonetheworldisroundtodescribeittothembecauseIknowtheywould
getthegistbuttheworldisnotactuallyperfectlyspherical.Getityet?
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texican2013>johnfembup8monthsago
Amen!These"tests"seeminvariablytobeconstructedtojustifytheLeftist
worldviewattheexpenseofpeopletheLeftdoesn'tlike. 10RevealingFactsAbout
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RossPaulger>johnfembup8monthsago
OrpossiblyDemocratswoulddisputethecharacterizationofdifferencesbetween
someshapesas'important.'
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MichaelLonergan>johnfembup3monthsago 10SurprisingFactsAbout
ChristopherWalken
Saysthepersonthatelectedanorangelump.
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T.Olson>johnfembupamonthago
Whydoyouadtheword"important"?
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