: : H-BKE Document 99-1. Filed 09/27/17 Page 2 of 81 ile NufiBEE MAT AI CeCe er NOEORN UNCLASSIFIED/POR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION ‘Source File Information 170603_01.WAV VERBATIM TRANSCRIPTION Participants: SAG Special Agent Justin C. Garrick SAT. Special Agent R. Wallace Taylor RW Reality Lee Winner UM ‘Unknown Male SECREF/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08106FileN ui RC MM 7 09HIRH-BKE, DORYUNETRS | RRA RRAMAB FOR OPACIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY Abbreviations: [Pb] ov} [sc] (ul Isic] AL {uM} Phonetic Overlapping voices Simultaneous conversation Uninteltigible As stated Inaudible Unknown male SECRET/NOKORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08107File NurghegelAF-200S83RH SHER AO UORORNO-1 Recowtine Namen! 710608 01 WAX URta GHATS AW OHACEAL USE ONLY AG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: Rw: SAG: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: This is my partner W-partner, Wally Taylor. Hey, how are you? [OV] Hey. How are you? Good. How you doing? Good. How's your day today? Inoises} Uh, it's pretty good. Just got some groceries. Allright. Let's show you who we are, Okay, well, the reason we're here today is that we have a scarch warrant for your house. Okay. {noises} All right. Uh, do you know what this might be about? Uhave no idea. Okay, This is about, uh, possible mishandling of classified information, ‘Oh my goodness. Okay. [OV)Mm-hmm. So, whatwe'vegotis, uh-again, gota warrant. Uhm,andI'm happy toshow ito you, WhatI'dlike to do is sitdown, talkyou with a-talk with youaboutit, Mm-hmm. Kind of go over what-what's going ori. Uh, talk to you, kind of get your-your side of it And of course, you-completely voluntary to talk to me. Uhm, we ‘can-uh-we can talk here. Uh, our office is about five minutes away. Uh, if you SECRETYNOPORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08108File Nun JBORH Bt REP OSURBETAD 1 TEA SBHTED/FOROPILIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA% RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: want to-if you'd rather talk there, then we can do either one. Tt makes no difference to me. Okay. Do you have any pets? Ido. Ihave two pets. [OV] Because you've been gone awhile, so d-do we need to maybe let them out ‘and use the bathroom and stuff like that? {OV} 1 do, Would you mind if I at least get some perishables into the fridge? [OV] And we can do that too, but what were going to have to-Is if, do you live by yourself? Yes. Okay. What we're going to have to do is we're going to have to go into the house first and make sure i's-it's safe. We have a- [OV] Absolutely. -search warrant and so w-we're a-we're going to. Absolutely. Okay, And what welll do is we'll keep you out here until we do that- [OV] Ub-huh. -and once we secure it, we'll, uh-[noise] then we can kind of go from there, okay? Of course. Is your dog friendly? Okay, s0 she does not like men. Okay. SECRET/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08109File Nun aGEOPPRAGRH-BKE Document 99-1 Filed 09/27/17 Page 6 of 81 iT SPY SCRE TNGEORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: [OV] Sothat'saproblem. [laughs] Uhm. Qaughs] However, and she might, uhm, come towards you. Okay. She's never bitten anybody. She's not aggressive. ‘Okay. She's ust got, you know, areally good growl going, Shell probably just hide ‘under my desk. Okay. [OV] Okay. Do you have a-a m-a leash ot something where we could- [OV] Ihave a leash. {OV] Okay. [OV] Fcan get her leashed up. [OV] So what we might want to do is maybe let you go in there with her. And ‘you're not to touch anything else, you're not to do anything else but get the dog and bring it out here. [OV] Yes, Ioan do that, [OV] Are we cool? We-w- {OV] Kean move her straight to the backyard. [OV] Because other-otherwise, i going to do that. Ofcourse. {OV] So. SECREWNOFORN UNCLASSIPIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08110File Nunghes A 5.200022 reser RAR? Leh SURAT AOAOOFMICAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA'. RW: SAT: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: [OV] 1understand Okay. Okay. Uhm, house key? House key. noise] ‘We also have a warrant to search the car, too. Yes. Okay. Do youhave a cell phone? [noise] [pause] Okay. [noises] And well take that and then welll-uh-we'll kind of go from there, okay? Of course. Uhm, but like he said, we're-we're completely voluntary, completely up to you ‘on. But, youknow, Ithinkmaybeit-it'd be worth yourtimetollistenatleast foralittlebit. Definitely. Uhm- [OV] Okay? And well kind of figure out what's going on. Definitely hereto~ [OV] Okay. uhm, comply. [OV] Uhm, so why don't we. Her leash is, uh, two feet inside the door ‘where I left it this morning, [OV] Okay. Tcan move her straight to the backyard. [OV] Are there any weapons in the car? In the house? SBCRET/NGEORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08111File Nute gg Past DOBTHIRH ANCE, ARRTBEN S-> FlPS SOUP THAT ORO ERIC TAL. USE ONLY Recording Natae: 170603_01.WA‘ RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: In the house, yes. What do you have? Thave an AR-15. Isit pink? It's pink, Okay. How'd you know? {laughs} aughs) [background noises) Ubm, Ihave a Glock Nine under the bed. [OV] Okay. And a-uhm-a 15 gauge. ‘You sound like my house. Okay. [OV] Okay. ‘Were good then. ‘All right, Just don't make any-any movements for that and then we're- [OV] And-and- Yeah, ‘Yeah, [mean, we're all cool. [OV] Yeah, Imean, kind of obvious. ‘Yeah. [OV] Okay. SECRETWNORORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08112File Ni unt fA 0-009 ike feasBOSUNENEA?- “NEA SBIR TAT ORO MICFAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' SAT: RW: SAT: SAG: RW: SAT: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: {OV} Youcanp-There's a-that little fenced-in area is where youcanput her? Yes, yes, and you won't even [OV] Okay. [OV] Okay. -you-you won't take your eyes off of me. [OV] And welll geta water. Wecan gether water andall thatkind of stuff, but let’s-let's- Yeah, she's going to been in there- [OV] -let’s go ahcad and secure het, I think, and then that way- [OV] Mm-hmm. -and then maybe we can put some of your stuff in the fridge. Of course. And then we'll kind of- Yes. {OV] -we'll go from there, okay? Okay. So let's do that. Good deal. {noises} ‘And this other guy behind- ube [OV] Goon. is with us as well. And wee probably going to have a few more people SECRET/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08113: AGESPORRIRH-BKE, Document 09-1 Filed 09/27/17 | Page 10 of 81 te ol? a a ‘SECRELINORORN —UNCLASSIFIFD/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY showing up here {noise] directly. RW: [OV] Ofcourse. noises} SAG: [coughs] RW: Doo doo doo. noises] SAT: So we're going to get the dog and, uh, bring it out there. SAG: Okay. I got her. RW: Allright, gitl, let me get your leash. Leash, collar, I know, there's people out outside[Uf}. Uh, leash, collar, SAG: Haughs} SAT: Is that the only pet? RW: ‘There is a cat, She will go straight under the bed. SAT: [OV] Okay. [noises] RW: [OV] Uhm, again- [ov] Uh- RW: -doesn't like men. Starting to see a trend bere. UM: +} fin background] Allright, coming outhere. SAT: [OV] Yeah. RW: Come on girl. [noises] SAG: Hey sweetie, Hey sweetie, RW: Backyard. SECRETVNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08114File Nuhse lf 41. 0005782RH- BE DANNBEORRD + URL ARB PART REAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA\ UM: [SC] [in background] Hey, you al come on out, Found her, like three minutes ago. RW: ‘Yea, she knows where we're going. Come here, SAG: [aughs} RW: Come here, honey girl. ‘What's her name? RW: ‘Nicky [PH] SAG: Hey, Nicky. RW: ‘Nicky gitl. SAT: [OV] Hey there. She doesn't know what's going on though. [noises] RW: “There you go. All right [IAJ. [background conversation} SAT: ‘And you don't have any weapons or anything on you, do you? RW: No. SAT: ‘There's none in the ear’? RW: Uhm, in the car, no. SAT: Okay, [noises} Allright, so, let's, uh, hang on just a second. RW: Can I close the door for my cat? SAT: Yep. {noises} RW: Allright, good. That's all [care aboutrightnow. [noises] SECRETYNOEORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08115File Ni cP DUTEAOIRH-BiSGies FORTHE 1 URLIARM ATED COMICAL USE ONLY ‘Recording Name: 170603_01.WA’ SAT: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: UM: SAT: UM: SAT: UM: SAT: RW: SAT: UM: SAT: UM: UM: SAT: RW: Okay. Uhm- [OV] Ubm- so the only thing in there now that’s alive is the cat? ‘Yes. ‘There's not a person? No person. No other dogs? Okay, 1i-. Uhm, they on their way? ‘They'repullingup. Okay. All right. So why don't we. Probably want to get that stuff in, Yeah, ‘Can we put most of that in the fridge? ‘Yeah, it's all going to- [OV] Were not going to have to unpack all the bags and al that kind of stuff. Okay. Okay. [noises] Why don't we, uh. You want fo stay out here with-with her for minute? [OV] Yeah. ‘And Joe and 1 will walk through. ‘Okay. [noises] Why don't they just- [OV] Again, just to explain to you, we have a search warrant, Its-i¢s- [OV] Lunderstand. SEERETYNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08116File Nunibos fA 2-2000922)2H SHER oD I9 NCE GOLF AEBT eBROSHAA CL AH USE ONLY Recording Name: Sat: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: '70603_01.WA -it's en route. So, uh. [noises] t's all right. Ub, just making sure-just checking to make sure there's nobody else in there or nothing-surprise-surprise us or anything like that. ‘Yup. So. I want to make this as easy for you guys as possible, Okay. Likewise. So, hopefully, explain things, [noises] get to, uh, figure this all out and, uh, wrap it up, [pause] [noises] How long have you had your dog? Uh, she's actually a foster. I'm rehabilitating her so hopefully she can get adopted later on, Uhm, she's a rescue. | think I got her in March. {noises} Okay. How-uh-how old is she? ‘Ob, we don't really know, She's one of those. [OV] Uh, yeah, my-uh-{noises] one of my dogs was a rescue and when-when I got him. He wouldn't. Uh, I was the only guy who could touch him. {background 1A conversation] Mm-hmm. [OV] And this was-well, probably three years. Anybody else came in the house, specially male, he'd pee- [OV] Hmm. -all over the place. But I could touch him and it was fine, and it's fi-I mean, he's seven years old now, he just comes up fo everybody. Licks his hand, he's great, And so whoever had him before was a real Mm-hnmn, “ub, was a real piece of work. ‘Oh yeah. She was kept in a kennel and neglected her whole life and... SECREH/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08117File Nunfbe ” RH-BKE Document 99-1 Filed 9/27/17 Page 14 of 81 BN ARID RH IG, POCA I PA SSIPTEDIIEOR OFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA UM: UM: sat RW: SAT: RW: UM: RW: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: JIA background conversation] Hmm, [in background] Yeah, no, if you have to [TA] ‘Allright. Why don't we, uh-let's get those groceries and let's throw them in the fridge real quick. Mm-hmm. ‘And then welll, uh, bring you back outhere, okay? [OV] Yep. [OV] House is cleared. [noises] Absolutely. [noises} "These glaves come in [UL]. ‘Yeah. Yeah, [Ul] the recorder [UI]. UM: {SC} [UT] going to put up pictures [UI]. Huh? ‘The recorder [UI]. {SC] Yeah, there's some in the back of that, ub- fov) [Un] [OV] -suburban. [UT] Is that going? TAL [noises] SECRETJNORORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08118File (unas BA T1003820 RH HER EP pgepeneg?- + NUEA SLED e BRESHA IAB USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ UM: UM: UM: UM: RW: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: SAT: UM: SAT: RW: UM: UM: ‘No. Then, no, don't worry about it. [noises) I'm just looking [UT] real quick, ful If you could step over [IA]. ‘Yes. And just stop right there [UI]. [noises] [IA background conversation] Yeah, probably [UI]. gal We're going to [UI] | walked through [UI]. [IA conversation] [noises] All right. [A] {noises} Sounds like [UI]. Do you want to just throw that in the fridge? And well {ov] HA] -throw all these bags in the fridge. noises} Yep. Is that- Got her? SECREI/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08119File Nun DONS DRH Bee DOR ANE OL USAGE TAT nCREOHPICLRE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA’ ‘UM: SAG: UM: UM: UM: SAG: UM: SAG: UM: SAG: UM: SAG: SAT: SAT: UM: SAT: UM: ‘You got one here. [OV] Yep. ‘Uh, no, that's it for the perishable. Should be. [OV} Okay. {IA background conversation] [noises] [UI] the neighbors [Ul]. ‘Mm-him, [noises] See, it looks like we might be blocked in, Can we borrow your truck keys? ‘What you need? ‘We're going to be going back to the office, so. [background voices] Yeah, Unless-unless- fovy (Un, -we can just move it. noises] Okay. [noises] Allrighty. There's a cat in the house- In the bed, where-it was on the bed. [OV] -on the bed. Okay. Orit was on the bed. [OV] It's- SECREE/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08120File Nunes BREA cem0022IRH RES pPogumenn?? Ned SPH DI PORGEM CIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA', RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: [OV] ItIl maybe go under the bed at some point, ‘And the dogis in the backyard in the fence. Does-docs shenced water? [barking] ‘She'll be fine, She's been inside all day with her water. Okay, All righty. All right. So, uhm, would you like to talk here or talk-uh- talk at the office? Uhm, let's go ahead and talk here, You want to talk here? Sure. Okay. [background conversation} Uhm- let's. I'm trying to think if' we have any place-uh-ub-in the house that-uhm-that we can kind of sit down that’s, uh, private. Is there-do you have anything there in the house that we can kind of sitthat'saway?How many rooms does yourhouse- [noises] [OV] Away? Uhm, so there's one bedroom. I do have a spare bedroom that I dont use that's empty. I don't like to go in there. Uhm, 1 guess LI don't have anything that's completely closed off though- [noise] [OV] Okay. -exceptfor that back room. Okay, that back room’? [OV] Yeah, there's- [OV] And it’s completely empty? ‘Yeah. You'll go in there. There is one dog kennel cage. Other than that, I don't use the room. SECRBT/NOKORN UNCLASSIPIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY usao.08121FileN HOODS IRH sie PORURRENERS 1 nTUEA GOLRTAT ROO MPIELRE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY SAG: RW: SAG: Rw: SAG: RW: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: Okay. All tight. Uh, you said you don't like to go in there. What - ¥-It. Oh gosh, it's just creepy. It's just weird, It's like an addition to the house behind the kitchen and it's always dirty and... Okay. {laugbs} Uh, we can talk back there if you're fine going back there. It's, wh- [OV] Yeah, we ean go back there. Okay. Allright. We'll take — uh ~ there's a~ there's a back room that's ~ ub ub-we can- [OV] Kind of like the laundry- -that she'd like to talkin, -supposed to be the Iaundry room? [sighs] I guess so. [noises] Kind of off the kitchen? Yeah. Okay. Okay, yeah, that'll work. Okay. It's too hot out here for- [OVI Yeah, and we'renot going to s-we'renot going to make yousit outhere- [OV] Yeah. ~in the heat. SBERETYNOFORN —UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08122File NunBax| BBB cn002229 RH gee PoQUTERY? UNCEM SORE DT rORGAAICEH USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA’ RW: SAG: UM: SAG: RW: UM: RW: UM: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: UM: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: can make a pit stop and bring the A/C down a bit, too, if you guys need that, [OV] Okay. All right, then, {OV] Well, what's going to happen is-uh-they'll-ub-they've got to do their thing for a minute and then- [OV] Of course. Uh- =we can go in. -do they need meto make sure my car's unlocked? ‘Yes, yes. [OV] Weill, uh- [OV] Uh, yeah. -well grab the keys and — Okay. So. Get the password for it What's the, uuh. How do we open this? Okay. Soyou, uh- [OV] Just. Hang on. [OV] -press that. There you go. Okay. SECREF/NOBORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08123File Nunta A0-20002221 RH Sues PORORERNAS INCE: ye ORIS ALA Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ Seite i USE ONLY UM: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: ‘What kind is it? An iPhone? How long have you lived in Augusta? ‘Uhm, Iwas here October 2015 to April 2016, uhm, TDY. And then I moved back here just past December. Okay, s0 you're kind of familiar with the- Familiar, yeab. ‘Yeah, What do you think of it? Tmean, [willingly moved back here as a civilian, so- {laughs} ~itmustbeallright. Willingly. You say that-you say that begradgingly. Yeah, it was pretty much. Uh, NSA Geongia was the only job I could get. Okay, ‘Yeah, I was having problems getting, ub, the contract I wanted. ‘What contract were you going for? ‘Uhm, Loriginally- my big plan is to deploy as a Pashto linguist over- [OV] Okay. and be at Baghram for awhile. Okay. [background conversation] [vehicle noises] SECRETYNOFORN UNCLASS ‘ED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08124File NunGas[AP20907 RHEE Paesn e941 iCleR OUAHB Tir ORUEHIGIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ RW: Uhm, but then they hired me out here for Farsi, so. SAG: Okay, so you're Farsi and Pashto? RW: Farsi, Dari, Pashto, SAG: Wow. That's impressive, RW: [aughs} SAG: 1 barely-I'm barely able to speak English. RW: Oh. flaughs] SAG: So. RW: English is hard. SAG: Hmm. SAG: ‘Ub-but. Yeah, I noticed that with-uh-[coughs] especially here in Augusta, it’s-is preatwith-for families, butsingle, it'skind oftough. Like,Ican’t ‘imagine coming back, SAT: How is this-You've got a password on this or what do you— RW: ‘Uhm, no, there's no password. SAT: [OV] How do we-how do we do it? Show me how to do it, or tell me how to do it RW: Okay. SAT: ‘Swipe that? RW: ‘Yeah. SAT: No scourity? RW: No security. SAT: Okay. RW: [OV] Yeah, so. SBCREPYNORGRN —UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08125File Ni UTAIBINH signs uses i NPA GAIFTET/PCROORACLAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01,WA‘ SAT: RW: SAT: RW: UM: UM: SAG: UM: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: [OV] But you don'thave a password or anything that it~ [OV] No password, nothing. Okay. Just, uh, anytime it locks, uhm, you just press until you sce, like, a little circle, and then you slide just a little bit. [OV] Okay. Soit's- {noises} Did you already show her the warrant? Uh, no, Thaven't. I was going to-we're going to sit down and show it to her. Allright. So we're goingto goahead and goin. Okay. [OV] Yep. [pavse] As soon as they finish the pictures we can go-get out of the gnats. ‘Ob yeah, they're pretty bad. [background conversation] [vehicle noises] How long were you in the Air Force? Six years. Okay. Yeah. Hmm. What made you get out? SECRET/NOEORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08126File Nunes [AT 2I0BIRH EER PEAWPORYD- I NCEN OPH NI BRISA USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: UM: RW: RW: Uh, I just-{ wanted to deploy. I mean, Ieamed Pashto for areason- Mm-hmm. -but-uhm-that's just-those opportunities aren't there in the Air Force right now. Hmm. You'd figure that with that language, you could- Right? flaughs] just raise your hand they'd go, “yeah, go.” Uh, no, where I was in, uh, Maryland, squadron of, like, 450 people, we got one billet per year for Afghanistan, and it was all-always airbome, Not even language. ‘And the-so I imagine people wore just crawling for it ‘Oh yeah, and I don't have an airborne physical, so. Yeah. Hmm, So, Augusta, Georgia it was, Imh? ‘Yeah. (laughs} [barking] Is your dog okay? Does it need anything? She's fine. She? ‘Yeah, She’s- [OV] Ifyoucantell, we're all dogpeople. Oh. [laughs] [know. She's going to have her little anxiety attack, [pause] SBCREIVNOFORN —UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08127File Nun 98940 RH BER AP ARUMANLS 4 Fle A CSIR ORC MMICLAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01,WA\ SAG: ‘Where all were you with the Air Force? RW: Uhm, just right after training, went up to Fort Meade and spent four years there. SAG: ‘That's along time in Maryland. RW: Itis, And there was no opportunity of leaving, UM: Jean beat you. You know where my first Air Force assignment was? RW: ‘What? UM Minot, North Dakota, RW: ‘Oh, nice. UM: Kind of hot like this up there. UM: [laughs] UM: Wes SAT: For what, a day? UM: [laughs] UM: ‘Yeah, like for an hour, right? [laughter] UM: Five o'clock on July 17. SAT: {laughs} Right. SAG: ‘Yeah, I was seven years in DC, and that was about six and a half too long, SECREY/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY: USAO-08128File Nunftee BB 592 209942)°1 Ge PUBEE Y NFPA SP LED PORBIAICLAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA’ RW: SAG: UM: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: ‘Oh, yeah. DC. [pause] ‘They keep asking if I want to go up there, I'm like, “ah, no. No. No, thank you.” Tim done with that, {barking} She {IA} fbarking} My poor dog, Ijust got her acclimated to the backyard again yesterday. Usughter} She was boarded all weekend, so. I was out of town. ‘Oh, Yeah, might-might have fo work on acclimation. [aughs] She's not-probably not going to like the backyard after being forced out there for a few hours. [OV] Oh, ] know. She gets so anxious. And then we're, like, off schedule ‘because she won't go, and so I'm just like, whatever, we're going inside. And then three seconds later she goes on the carpet. Mm-bmm. Is she destructive at all when she-when you leave her alone? Yes. [laughs] She's just a nervous chewer. SECREF/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY usAo-08129File NunfGas JAe1109992IR HRC Dag upenhe®-t fale Soli b ORSMACIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' SAG: ‘Yeah, my, uh-one of mine, she's fine, you can leave her out all day Tong, all she does is sleep and snore. Shakes the whole house. RW: [laughs] Yeah. SAG: ‘My-uh-my rescue, he is, We-we left him out for probably the first two weeks’ He destroyedthe couch. [noises] Clean through, chewed it. And, ub, three Applepowercords. Thecomputer power cords. RW: [groans] SAG: Ninety bucks a pop. RW: Yep. SAG: ‘Yeah. Iwas-I was thrilled. RW: {laughs} SAG: But, Yeah, turns out he's much, much happier when he's-uh-if we got to go away for a little bit, he's in the crate with — as long as the other dog's in there with him, then he's fine. [pause] SAG: ‘Where do you do CrossFit at? RW: ‘Uhmn, right now I'm at SEC, Uhm, they used to be over on Enterprise Court - SAG: ‘Mm-hmm. RW: -off of Bobby Jones but we moved. We're over on Wheeler. Uhm, but my friend is re-opening the Under Box. Uhm, they merged with SEC, things didn’t work out, and so now she's going to do her own thing. SAG: Going to go off? RW: ‘Yeah. So Tim just waiting for her gym to open to jump ship. [laughs] SECRBT/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08130File NumBas I A°2009230 RHSBiRe- AGUNG RPS NCR OAL TPO REN GMELUSE ONLY ‘Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY SAG: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: UM: RW: SAG: 1 did it for like six months, and I hurt myself, Oh. Just every single day wes just pain. Yeah, So, I don't know, Guess I'm just too old and broken. I mean, I always say I don't do CrossFit. Uhm, I do competitive power lifting. Okay. And then I do CrossFit when it's convenient. flaughs] But I do love working out at a CrossFit gym, You know, the space-you can't beat that. No, uh-uh. In between classes, | just get fee run of the gym. What's your, ub. So power lifting, what's your-your preference on? What's your favorite stuff? T'm just all upper body, so bench. It's kind of sad. I tested all my lifts this week because I have a competition on June 24", Mm-hmm, And bench is 180. Max back squat. I have a back injury, so my max back squat is only 195. But] don't. [laughs] Stil-still not shabby. [laughs] They should not be that close. {laughs} Uh, howd you hurt your back? Crossit. Oh. SECRBT/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08131FileN ; BOUISIRH KS POSTON Ane GUPTA OO PRIELRE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: ‘Uh, just power cleans, My, uh, pelvis wasn't rotating so I separated that side joint. [noise] ‘That sounds painful. Yeah, I did, uhm- I was doing box jumps, and this hand just-I was doing it by myself-hit the box and, I mean, I-I thought I just fractured every bone in the body-in the-in the hand, And I went to-I had to go to the doctor to get the- getthe X-ray. And they said, “so how'd you do this?” CrossFit. [noise] Four times they asked me, Said, no, I didn't get ina fight. {OV] Tehhh. It's CrossFit. ‘Yeah, [thought I could see the bone on my shin from that one. That's over two years old. Wow. What was that? [OV] Box jump. Just missed the box. Paughs] ‘Yeah, that's amoment that you really hope did-ah, did anybody sec that? [noise] Ireally hopenobody saw that. 1 got so mad. They/re just like, you just threw a handful of chalk on itand then ‘you kept going. [laughs] [snorts] ‘That's commitment. [noise] Oh. So I do have to ask, uhm, just however- [OV] Mm-bmm. -this goes, I'm not making any assumptions, but is this going to be Tike al - SECREF/NOEORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08192File Num po 900BDIRH BK Ree IRGIMIRNP? tn EleR HAL nD AR AAT USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: UM: SAG: RW: SAG: brought-my-phone-into-the-building-typesituationwherel don’tsee thatphone for three weeks or. So we'll go overthe warrant itself, Okay. ‘Uhm, so, we do havea warrant for the phone, So. 1 didn't want to make any assumptions or anything like that, but Tam teaching ‘yoga tomorrow and phone has musie om it. Okay. [laughs) Uhm-ubm-I could make do. Like, there-there are bigger problems in the world, I guess. ‘Yeah, And we'll-we'll-we'll talk about that once we-once we sit down. {OVJ Allright. {pause] ‘Youhave just.a few chairs-likekitchen table chairs we can pull into that-uh- thatbackroom? [aughs] No,Tuh. [OV] Or we going to be sitting on the floor? {laughs} Yeah. Ifyou want to sit, yeah, (laughs] 'm not big on furniture, Okay. Uhm, I wonder if we have a couple of chairs inthe ~ Might be a couple in Chuck's truck, : Might be. Sorry about that. No. SECREIWNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08133File NunfGae J A-e099942I HBR Paget le SOUP EDT POR GICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY SAT: Hlow long have you been in this house? RW: ‘Uh, moved in [sighs] December 15" [pause] SAG: Okay, Were good. UM: [SC] Hey, do you have any chairs in your truck? Ua, fold-up chars. RW: “Would itbe too much to ask if I could try to get the cat on a leash and then tied- UM: [sc] Uhm. RW: ~to the bed? UM: [SC] Uhm, I don't remember seeing any. I think they're in the truck. RW: ‘Uh, just so don't-I don't want to be, like, telling someone in the FBI to keep my front door closed, if you all are doing a search. tun SAG: [OV] Uhm. What's that? SAT: I don't see a problem. SAG Idon'tsec.a-I don'tsee an issue. Uh-uh-whereis the catrightnow? RW: Onthe bed. UM: [OV] In the bedroom, in the bed. SAG: Okay, SAT: [OV] Still in the bed? UM: I think so. UM: Yeah, SECRET/NORORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08134FileN lumbar I 76200829097 Akar Dageamgnny?- UCLA AAAH HZ ORAAAGNELUSE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA\ SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: UM: UM: UM: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: Okay. [noises] Yeah, weean do that. Where-uhm-justsafety's sake, where are the. There's the weapon and the, the- [barking] ‘The weapon, it's right by the little table with the lamp, right under the bed [background conversation] Okay. All right. We can go ahead and go in, Mind if! grab a leash? Yea, that's fine, [pause] Over here? Yes, right under the bed ‘The cat's under there, 14] ‘He's under the bed. Or she's under the bed. ‘The AR's in this case in here? Yes. Where's the other gun? It's behind it, more against the wall in a black case. Okay. SEGREV/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIEDI/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08135FileN unibee IFA -990942) RH ite ROR UBP HE 9-4 EPA RAUF TAT BACB AACLAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘, UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: UM: RW: SAT: SAG: SAT; SAG: RW: SAT: SAG: ‘You mind if [UI}- [OV] Take it, -[UM ifyougetthe cat? ‘Yep. Okay. Is there anything else in there? ‘The what? Didn't see nothing there. Do you want to get your cat? Yeah. Ub, thank you. [noises] [pause] Allright, she's good. Okay. Good enough. All right Want to go back here? ‘Yeab, you can go ahead and go back in there. {conversation in background] Oh, this room is ditty. I'm so sozry. That's okay. No, that's fine. SECREF/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08136File NumBas| HI Ab 2009229 HBr DaGURGRA PS ENCE AEB Ir RUIHCAAL-USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ SAT: SAG: © RW: SAG: RW: SAG: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: Nota problem, All righty. So, uhm, again, uh, my name's Justin, You probably don't re- ‘Remember any idea of who I am, [laughs] So, Justin Garrick with the BI. Uh, this is Wally. He's my partner. Ubm, so what I want to do is kind of explain that we, you know, do have a search warrant-you're ‘welcome to see the warrant, you're welcome to read the wacrant-and then explain a little bit about it. Now, if youre willing to talk to me, like to go through just kind of how this started and, you know, get your- your side of it and figure out what's going on here. Okay. Does that sound-sound good to you? Okay. Okay. Yes. ‘Uhm, so I'm going to take-ub-right here-I'm going to take-uh-notes- uh-just random basis. Got fo take notes. [background conversation] So, uhm, what is your date of birth? Okay. And your Social? Uh, do you need water or anything’ Are you- [OV] J, uhm- thirsty? Youre what? If you need water, shout it out. Okay. 'illetyouknow. [OV] Ate you thirsty? Not right now. SECRETNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08137File Nuntbany eA -NO7ITRH EG POGUE? 4 Cle RIFT BICGMACLRL USE ONLY Recording Name; 170603_01.WA‘ SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: Okay. ‘Thanks. ‘Allright. Uh, if you need to use the restroom, any of that, let me know. It's not a big deal. Okay. And, uh, you've been living at this address here since December. Fifteenth, Fifteenth of 2016? Yes. Okay. And where were you born? Alice, Texas. Alice like- Like- [background conversation] Like the name, yea. [OV] Likethe name. Okay. And currently, ub, you're employed as a g-ub- contract-uh-linguist with Pluribus? ‘Yes. Okay. Hlow long have you been employed by them? Tstarted on 9 February 2017. Okay, And where are you currently assigned? Currently assigned. Like the, uh, NSA 21. code or — Uh, just-you can-you can tell me the building. Okay. [OV] Because we have- [OV] White Law Building, second floor. SBCREEYNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08138File NunfBas| ABI 0299722) BEF PACUENLE? NCR SAAR DfirORGFIGAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA\ SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: SAG: Okay. So. T'msorry, what languages you said? Uhm, I-I heard. Farsi, Dari, Pashto. Okay. Okay, [noises] Any other? No. [laughs] I'm kidding. I think that's enough. That's really impressive. Okay, and you live here, uh, by yourself? Yes. Okay. {noises} Very hard without a table and chairs I'm so sorry. (laughter) It's — you don't have to apol-it's your house. Uhm, if you-if you do feel like, you know, you want to sit or anything like that, we'll sit, okay? You know, we can sit on the floor, I don't care. Uhm, if you sit on the floor, Til sit on the floor. Okay. [laughs] Uh-uhm-and I'm serious about that. Ifyou wantto sit, please, PIT sit downtoo.Uhm, okay. So, uh, again, wehaveawarrant.Uhm-andit's in-do- would you like to see it? ‘Yes, please. Okay. SECRET/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08139File Numl a Re 00082 RHA er IRUBSRSPS Enel RRA AEB TPR OENAE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA', SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: UM: SAT: UM: UM: UM: ‘That just gave us the authority to search. I's signed by a federal magistrate judge. This attachment, Attachment "A", is just explaining the property where we can search, The residence, the car, and then you. Hundred forty-five pounds, you guys flatter me. [laughs] Sony. Ihave a sense of humor. (laughs) Okay. It was on your drivers license. ‘That's right. Okay, Hied. Uh, don't we all? So Attachment "B", which is three-four pages-just explains the property that we are searching, Not saying all of that's here, but that’s what we're authorizedto search for. [sc] [TAP And seize. {SC} [U1] Youll [UT] laptop right here [UN] so well just go ahead and [IA]. Did you see where it was? [SC] Yeah. [SC] It's right here. And, uhm, {JA} [IA background conversation] [pause] SBCRETVNOEORN —UNCLASSIFIED/IFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY UsAO-08140FileN SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: eEQOMOTRDIRHLEK Ee PAGAN PS NCIC RAAB TOR GERI ANE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' ‘Any questions about any of that? It's probably stil little confusing to you, but. Mm-hmm. But I think as-as he-we go along, | think maybe some of it will become more clear. But just if anything- Mm-hmm, -sticks out, is there any questions you have about that? No. Okay. Okay. And well leave a copy of this- ‘Yeah, we'll leave a copy. [OV] -with you. Uh, this will be your copy. Okay. So- [OV] Okay. -ubm-all this-uh-stems from a report that we received that you had mishandled classified information, okay? So, that's,uh, the broad scopeofit. Uh-my-ub-question is does that-does thatringany bells toyou whatsoever? Tt-it does now. When I started working at White Law I had-do you know PKI passwords? ‘Mm-hmm. SBERBEVNOFORN —UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY: UsA0-08141File Nur inGas I ADONSBLIRHBK Ry PRURSAAPS ENCIER SURED IP ORGEAME USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: ‘Uhm, Thad a printed-out email in my folder, and I didn'thave a desk yet, so took it with me-uhm-passed through security, went to Starbucks, and then came back, and they looked through it, and unfortunately the email that [had printed out was classified. And they filed areport forthat. ‘And when was that? ‘That was approximately [pause] probably February 15¢ or 16th, Of this year? Oftthis year So it was part of the PKI certificate? Yes. And you had gone to Starbucks, come back, and~ [ov] -they checked-they checked a bag or- [OV] Uh, they checked my folder. 1 was still in processing, so it was just- uhm-if you're familiar with White Law, you go through the tumstilesjust to get to the cafeteria and back. Okey. So yeah, I was- [OV] So you had-you had gone to the cafeteria? Yeah, ‘So you were in the building and they nabbed you for- [OV] Mm-hmm. Yeah, ‘Okay. Allright, But you'e still in the building? SECRETYNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08142File Ni Ger ap 2005 2 IRHEKR ACSA? NCEA ALDI ROEM AAL Use ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ RW: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: Ub-huh. Okay. Allright. Uhm, so what-uh-what's your work role there at- uh-at White aw? Currently [translate graphic documents, uhm, and then. Yeah, that's all ! do, [OV] Okay. From Farsi to English. Graphic documents? Yeah. Okay. [pause] You'e assigned to a specific section, I guess, or a group? Is thatthe way it works cover there? Yes. ‘And what is that group of section? [OV] Uhm, it's the Iranian Aerospace Forces Office. Okay. Have you been assigned there your entire time there? Yes, since February. Okay. Atl right. Uhm, is there any other issues or anything that come to mind that right be-might explain [noises] why the report might have been generated? Anything that comes to tmind-uh-like, eh, it may be this, may ‘be that? No. No? Yeah. Okay. [pause] Uhm-so-andyou currently holda TS/SCT SHCRETJNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08143File NunGas BAT 2009720IH BER PaGUIAsAse LCR SOPH DI PBR MAGIAY USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA’ RW: SAG: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: clearance? Yes. ‘Okay. How long have you had that? Uh, I would say since January 2013. So you had that while you were in the Air Force? ‘Yes. ‘And youkeptitthrough-through the. Did you-wh-I guess when youleft- uh leftthe AirForce, youkept. When did youlea~ When did you process ‘out of the Air Force? Uhm, I processed out of the Air Force, uhm, December-uh-four-December 14th, uhm, 2016, And, ubm, up until that time, I had been looking at contracts to try 10 get my clearance, uh, renewed. Okay. And wh-when did-uh-when did-uh-Pluribus pick you up? Pluribus picked me up-I believe they gave me the notification around January 11%, between 11! or 13! Around that day. Okay. All right. So your-uh-your clearance just kind of passed through. Itpassed through, yeah. Okay, All right, So-whm-as far as you're aware [noise] you haven't ‘committed any security violations or anything you're aware of, other than-than this PKI thing? Other than the PKI thing, no. I mean, 1-1 do print documents at work because, uhm, it's just easier for me to translate them by hand. Mn-chmm. ButthenI[putthem inthebox, andthen itdoesn'tgetmixed upwith, like,my classnotes that take, because they're-like-L use pretty paper so Inever take outwhite paper. SECREEJNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08144File Nun -anOwTe RH SB DARNNGRNP- NCA RAAB Tr OROHANE OSE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: SAT: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: Hmm, got it, [OV] Uhm, we all-Because I know that sounds really dumb, but that's just how 1 wo ectndar After that stupid PKI thing I was like, no more white paper out of the building, Okay. So you-you-you said you printed out stuff? [OV] Yeah. Iprinted out- {OV}lstherea- stuff. {noises} [OV] -is there a-ub-why did that come to mind us far as security? ‘Uhm, it just. I guess it always-I just think about-uhm-you know-having actualpapers. I-Iean'timagineany other way to getthingsoutofthebuilding,] guess. 'm old-fashioned, soT'm just thinking aboutthat, And especially with the eT thing: ulun-just making sure I didn't ucoidentally have something in my iunchbox or anything like that. Nothing got out of the building? [OV] Nothing, {OV| You didn't care: anything out of the ‘building? [OV] No. No, I definitely let everything get searched all the time. So, I haven't had any other accidents. Okay. Allright, So, as far as anything that, Imean, you're, Sowith Iranian Ray pace, Lmean, youre-youre fairly well boxed im, so that's-thats what ‘youconcentrateon? ‘Yes. Do you work any other matters? Anything like that? No. SECRER/NOLORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08145File NuniSes {J A1:2009222I HBG ee POGURERLES- ty Cled PMT PORTOLA USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ SAG: RW: SAG: SAG: RW: SAG: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: Okay. So, uh-so you-you certainly-I mean-you have-you have the access [noise] and youhave the need-to-know on-on, uh, on that aerospace stuff. Have you ever inadvertently, either by accident or-or intentionally or whatever-gone outsideyouraccess of-as far of-or outside your need-to-know on items? Outside of my need-to-know on items. Uhm, 1 do, from time to time, look ata ‘website called My Online, and it is the drone feeds. used to work a drone mission- Mo-hmm. ~so sometimes Il be in chat with, uhm, my Air Force friends up in Maryland and I'l be watching the mission that they're executing. Okay. ‘Uhm, so it's Afghan stuff, Uhm-and other than that, I mean, just reading basic news articles on NSA Net. Mm-hmm. Uhm-but I've never accessed anything that's, like, [UI]. ‘Okay, Have you ever gone-gone searching for stuff that’s not related, uh, to, uhm, to your-your work role? ‘No, not unless Ihave somebody in Maryland ask me a question. Okay. Uhm-and I mean, you've kind of already answered this-have you ever eae uh, the NSA facility? Imean, youmentioned the PKI, ‘Yes. outside of that, have you ever taken anything out of the facility? No. No? Uh, whether its a piece of paper. Have you downloaded anything? Emailed anything out? No. No? Okay. Mm. SECRETWNOPORN —UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08146File NunSbaRPAs-2O8949 2H GE IPORURER A? > EA ORIRT AT GREE ELAE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ [pause] SAG: Have you ever, uh, discussed, uh, any classified material with anybody who wouldn't have, uh, the prior U.S. government authorization? Who wouldn't have the clearance or anything like that? Wouldn't have the clearance and the nced-to- know? RW: No. SAG: No? Okay. RW: ‘Not many people ask about Iranian aerospace, so I lucked out. SAG: So you never discussed, uh, discussed work or anything classified with anybody- RW: [OV] Ub-un. SAG: -outside of work? RW: No. SAG: [sighs] [pause] SAT: How's the neighborhood? RW: did not look at a map when [signed the lease, uh, but 'm well armed, SAG: laughs} SAT: ‘You seem to be. Daughter] SAT: ‘What are your plans? You going to stay in the house or are you going to move somewhereelseor ~ SHERET/NOEORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08147FileN Geel 720008 IP SBA AGUTSEAPS LCR ANAT STORMONT Use ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: UM: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: Uh. Did you sign a lease, I guess? T signed a lease, and I would only break it if get « deployment. [coughing] {OV] Yeah. [OV] So. Min-hmm, Have you had any issues here, since you moved here? did, yeah. {laughs} ‘What happened? ‘Uhm, Ieame home from a concert in Atlanta, It was about three am. and- [background conversation] there was a man on the street, so [was making sure that, you know, he could ot see me go from my car tothe Rouse. noises] Uhm,and I thought timed i ‘out well, And J'm standing there at the sink getting water ‘and someone starts ‘knocking on my door [OV] Do you have a toothpick? [OV] Huh? -andeat three aun and my keys and my phone were right by the door where 1 dropped them, because 1 had to pee. Uhm, $0 yeah. [laughs] very glad to have « Glock Nine in the back. ‘Oh. Yeah. [OV] Did not sleep. {Jaughs} I'm sure. SECREEINOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/IFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY UsAO-08148File nes A72009700 RHEE DORARIGEAP?-tNCLEA AALS Te FROM TIAL USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAS SAG: SAT: SAG: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: SAG: [OV] Anything other than that? ‘Other than that. [clears throat] Uhm. No. There's this-people always ask if you want your lawn done and someone oame and mowed my lawn while I was in Belize Inst weekend, SoT'm notreally cool with that, [laughs] Limagine not. [OV] They're probably going,to come by and ask for-knoek on the door anc ask to be- Yeah. [OV] Yeah. ~compensated. ‘Yeah, I mean, he's- [sneezes] [EiFit was the guy I paid last time, he's this litle old man, like, in his eighties, so 1 ‘won't be, like, really mad but- [OV] Right. ‘Yeah, Right. Usughs] When-uh-when did you go to Belize? ‘eft on Saturday moming ane flew back Monday moming. Just last weekend. “That was a quick trip to Belize, [OV] Ub, a quick trip. SBCRETVNOFORN —UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY UsA0-08149File unas A009 H AeelDORUTETH? ta KLEA CARTE eB REALE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAS RW: Itwas quick, [laughs} SAT: ‘What'd you go down there for? RW: ‘Uhm, I wanted to see the Mayan pyramids SAT: Okay. RW: Andso. Yeah. SAT: ‘That's pretty cool. RW: 1 didn't have any lave, and I was just tired of waiting for the stars to align, 80 1 just said- SAT: (OVI Sure, RW: you have three days, do it SAG: [laughs] SAT: ‘That's cool. SAG: Fair enough. SAT: ‘Spar of the moment. That's pretty cool. SAG: Didyou go there by yourself or. RW: [OV] Yeah. By myself. SAG: [OV] Okay, Did you do any tours or anything down there? RW: Cm the fist day, they took me to, lke, an Alton Hau [PH] tour. So, thas one of the sites. And then the sccond day, we went, uhm, down the river on & boat, and pe did the Lemani Pyrmaids, and then came back. And then, yeah. SAG: Okey. SAT: Ub-huh, SAG: All right, RW: Saw a bunch of monkeys. SECRETIMOFORN —UNCLASSIBIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08150File Nunes -72000732IR HGR AQUARIAN? UNCER UAT BT POR HAIAAT USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ SAT: SAG: RW: SAT: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: {laughs} So you'e positive you've never printed anything out that was outside of your work role? ‘Trying to think, [cleats throat] Recanse I know. I mean, like, there's NSA Pulse, and every now and then I print articles from there like, as scratch paper, Like, it sounds really dumb, Like, now that 'm thinking about it lke, the things thet I did were really dumb. But those always go into the, uhm, the bum bin. Okay. What kind of articles from Pulse do you pull out? {barking} ‘Uhm, usually reference material about, a BEBE Um, just making sure, like, so many references that keep having 1012 Jook up- {OV] Mm-hmm. -it'sjust-I'm’ very textile, soifit'sjust, Jike,rightonmy desk, Ican look atit instead of flipping through windows. Mm-hmm. So that's probably fraud, waste, and abuse right there. [laughs] Okay. [laughs] We're not worried about frand, waste, and abuse. [OV] Okay, No. use a lot of paper. Uhm, but nothing outside of, like, Iranian stuff or anything ‘else out of that, and never outside of the building, Okay. Reality, what if I said that {have the information to suggest SECREFINOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08151File Nuntbaey BB 1000982) 2H BES PORTERS? TNE SRM BRB ACLAE USE ONLY ‘Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ RW: SAG: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: that you did print out stuff that was outside of that scope? Okay. I would have to try to remember. Okay. What if uh, I said that you printed out information related to, ub, reports T° Reality-ub-you know-we obviously know a lot more than-than what were telling youat this point. And] think you know a lotmore than what you're telling ‘us at this point, I don't want you to go; down the wrong road. I think you. need to-to stop and think about what you're saying and what you're doing. Ubm- you know-1l think it's &-an opportunity to maybe (ell the truth, Because, ub, iutling a-telling a lie to an FBI agent is not going to be the right thing. ‘Mn-hmm. Okay? Uhm, you know-and again, we're here voluntarily. You're talking voluntarily, Tim not asking you-forcing you to do anything. Mm-hmm. But thinkethat's-that's what I'm asking you to do, is to think, So, think about what he just asked. Mme-ham. And let, you know. HEE here was one I printed out because 1 wanted to read it, Hmm. Which one was that? And- {Ov} Mm, -mind the-the sensitivities of the- [OV] Sensitivity SECREFYNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08152File Numba « sonOROE IH fi IRCIEUGRKPO” tn EI ARRAS CA AAAE-USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ SAG: RW: SAG: SAT: RW: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: Can you remember what day you printed it out? [pause] T might mess up the date, but late-late March, carly A-first two weeks of April Firsttwo weeks of April? ‘And what was it? Ttwas a— [cough] ~it was an NSA Pulse article about And yeah, I did-I did print that one out. Okay. Uhm, why, uh, why did you print that one out? ‘Uhm, I wanted to read it and J just-I-the way I downloaded it, it just was hard for meto read and I wanted to just look at it because-it looked like a piece of history. Mm-hmm. ‘You know? Uhm, so I wanted to have that on my desk for, like, a day. Okay. Did you, ub, how did you find it? ‘Uhm, so when you open up Pulse, it has the- [clears throat} uhm, there's a little window at the fop right that says, uhm, top articles. ‘Mm-hmrn. ‘And sometimes I sean those, Uhm, I don't know if you saw the one about the miniature ponies, but that one was, wh- SBCRET/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08153File Ni Recording Name: 170603_01.WA’ SAG: SAT: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: I missed that one. [laughs] ‘Yeah, it was number one for, like, a year, so- {snorting noise) obviously Igotocheckthatnow tomake sureany other gems, andthen that sone was right here. And, you know, just-I saw on thenews, and was like, 1 wanttoreadthis. And. Yeab. Okay, And what did you do with the article? tkeptitonmy desk or, like, threedays. Uhm,['mgoingtobehonest.I read, Tike, halfofit. I don't-itwas, like, the stupidest thing ever. And then burn bagwed itin the box that's-hasa little slaton itby the fridge. ‘Okay. Uhm, how about any other times? ‘Any other times? Did you search for anything on the EHH any other times? “Uhm, tha did spark my curiosity and so, lke, Ljust kept tbs on reading (bose articles. Uhm, looking at, uh, the ee « interesting to me. [OV] Mm-hmin, So I did read s-some of those. Okay, Did you ever go searching for them? Ever go digging? ‘Uhm, nothing more than, like, a [laughs] a ten-minute detraction from ‘work, you know? SECRETANOLORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Gee 50000827 BL DAGMIRAP?-INCARABATEDREAIAT USE ONLY USAO-08154File Ni yTeOTBATRH BE PORsMEHA?-t nUEARAIFTALT POROORACLAE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01. WAY SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: SAG: [OV] Okay. What, uh, what were you-how would you do i? Uh, just type in the search box, JE and then scroll. Okay. Allright, Did you print out any of those articles? ‘Uhm, Jet me think, No, The-the only one was just the one that was, like, Okay. Was it, uh, what was the-talking around it. What was the. And you're pretty sire that it yas late April, early March? Think about, uh, sry to remember, like, details in your personal life and- 1 know, Pm trying to-1 remember that week, 1 got in a fight with the boyftiond that week. Uhm, April, Let's see, March, April. [sighs] When did breakup ‘with him? [sighs] Maybe we started datingin March, so. Ithadtohave been winetime in April, Uhm. [noises] 'm justreally going blank on what week: that was, Tin trying to think what weekend-what the weekend was like ater that, Imsosorry. Ubmn-- [OV] No. It's okay. [OV] -1'm trying, Uhm, mean, yeah, mid-April is, like, al tm thinking. [clears throat] Okay. All right. What fT told you that [know ‘that you searched for and printed out a document on the ninth of May? SECRELJNOEORN UNCLASSIFIBDV/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08155FileN -po00oRBt RH BKResfIARURSRNS INCRE BT PORO MAN USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: SAG: RW: ‘Ninth of May. [pause] Let's see, the CrossFit competition was on the 12th Was itreally hat late? [pause] Ub, I guess I can'targue that, Uhm. Okay. 1f yowsif you know-1 mean-obviously you know. Uhm- [OV] Okay. {Ym just-4 can't imagine. [sighs] I guess we're already June already, so ‘yeah. t's been a really bad month for me, O- “This would have been three and a half, four weeks ago, roughly. [OV] Mm-hmm. [OV] Yeah. [noises] Okay. Do you remember what you did to get to that article? Other than eitherseeingiton the front pageor linking from another. im just. Do you remember what search terms you might have Put in? Probably TE [aughs] i'mnotvery: sophisticated. Uhm. ‘Yeah. Okay. So, you printed out the document-you printed out @ document, uh, jnteigonce report on-on this. You-you do recall that? “Yes, Ido remember now, yeah. kay. [sighs] What did you do with that document? Like I said, LT kept ton my desk for three days because I just thought twas ite dating and [choughtT wouldzead it, And then [suid no, and I need tomo eave it out on my desk, s0 X— SBCREL/NOPORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08156File Nx A DPPH DRY BE PRUE? 4 UGS RTT RPO RACLRE ust: ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAT: RW: [OV] Mm-hmm. -put it in the burn bag. You put it in the bum bag? {OV] Yeah. [OV] Okay, where's the burn bag? Okay, so the burn bags are {sighs} in the break rooms and they're this little white box with the slat, and it's one over from the fridge. Okay. In White Law. So you just-you slide it in there and then- [OV] Youstide tin there, yeah. And then it's taken care of? ‘Yeah. It's. Allright. Reality, are you sure that's what you did with it? Yes. ‘You're positive? Yes. You didn't take it out of the building? No. SECRETN@RORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08187File Numba: SB 207032 IRSA er AISNE UNC NA HT Tie OE CIARAUSE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WAY. SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: Okay. You didn't take it out of the building and give itto anybody else? No. ‘You didn't send it? No. You didn't send it to anyone? No. Okay. [sighs] Reality, uh, can you guess how many people might have printed out that document? No. I's not many. That document has made it outside. Okay? Obviously, because we'te here. Obviously, yeah. Crap. ‘The most likely candidate, by far and away, is you. Now, I don't- [sigh] =I don't think you are, you know, a big bad master spy, okay? I don't, I don't think that, I think that-F've looked at the evidence [noises] and it's compelling. ‘Now, I'm not sure why you did it, and I'm curious as to that, but J think you might've been angry over everything that's going on, politics-wise. Because you cant tum on the-you can't turn on the TV without getting pissed off. Or at least SECGRET/NOPORN —UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08158File Numi 6a APONIRLIRH KR DACURSANP? UNCLE MWAH POR UHEICIAT USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA\ RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: RW: RW: SAG: RW: SAG: Tean't. And I think you might've made a mistake. Now, wiay I'm here and why I ‘want to talk to you, isto figure out the why behind this, okay? So, Task you again-did you take it out and send it? 1 didn't. 1 put it in the bum bag. [sighs] Imean, I'm trying to deploy. Pm not trying to be a whistleblower. That's crazy. ‘Hmm, So how would you think that a document would end up getting out? I-Lmean, there's-there-I mean, Het's-let's be s-straight-there'slittletono security on documents, Nobody pats you down, Mm-hmm. ‘You know, and we talk about it all the time because it's like, oh, Ihave to show my food. Oh, "you eat so healthy," like, every day, you know? A-and people about it at work. You've got a building full of geniuses, right? Like just. I guess Vim nervous and talking, but no, mean, the {-that's the last thing I would've wanted to do with that, Especially with, you know, right now, trying to get somewhere else, trying to increase my clearance. Mm-hmm, You know? It was an axticle on IMIIMIIM and it was very sensitive and I thought I would be cool if Thad it on my desk for a couple days. Okay, But you remember-you said you remember putting it in the burn-in the ‘burn bag? Sliding it in there. Yeah, Okay. SECRETYNOEORN —UNCLASSIPIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08159File Numt RW: SAG: RW: SAG: Rw: SAG: SAT: SAG: RW: SAG: a I ACODER IRAE fer Pass PS- bE ER QUAL PER OEMCANE SE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ [OV] Folded in half. Imean, I remember it. Folded in half? Yeah, uh, it's-it-because it didn't-yeah, I folded it in half. sighs] Okay, What if] tell you that that document, folded in half, made its way outside of NSA? [pause] Idon't-t don'tknow - that. Tt made its way- [elears throat] -out in an envelope, post-marked Augusta, Georgia. See, things arc starting to get a litle specific. Okay. Itmade its way to an online news source that you subseribe to. Getting really specific, So, Tin going to ask you again. [pause] ‘What is very, very, very compelling. I'd like to know the reason, beoause I don't think-I don't think you make it a habit out of this atall. At all. I really do. 1 think you just messed up. Now, I'm not quite sure why you didit, and SECRETVNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08160File Nunsbonqac'000959 RH Glee PNRMEALA hon lP A SIF HV ORO MACLAE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA‘ I'd like to hear from you on that, but w-the what and the how is-would you agree, looksawfully bad? RW: Itlooks really bad. [pause] ‘ SAG: If youre angry about what's going on, if there's something that. Look, you've hhad a good carcer. You have, If there's something that just pushed you over the ‘edge on this, now is the perfect time. This is a podium. SAT: ‘You know, like he said, 14 don't think we're coming in here to say you're some big bad mastermind- RW: Allright. SAT: -prolifie spy kind of thing, J-1 think what we both think is that maybe you made amistake, Maybe you weren't thinking for a minute. Maybeyou gotangry, like he said. I mean, that-that’s-that's what I'm hoping. If that's-that's the case, then. thatmakesus feelalittle betterknowing that we don'thavea-arcalscrious problem here. You know, uh-uh that's something that concerns us, t00, this isn't an ongoing problem. But weneed to figure it out, And if it was a mistake, let's deal witht [pause] UM: Is this-is this a room? Is that a room? [UI] [background conversation] SAG: So how did you get it out of the office? RW: Folded in half in my pantyhose. SAG: ‘Okay, [sighs] And what did you do with it? SECRET/NOFORN UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USA0-08161File Ni yen BMA cA0047RH PORISTRR? RCER RATT ORO AARE USE ONLY Recording Name: 170603_01.WA' RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: RW: SAT: Putit in an envelope and sent it to a Anybody specifically there? [pause] I don't think I put a name on it. I just. put Hadyoucommunicatedwith [iii prior to you doing that? With ~ No. I wasn't trying to-wasn't trying to be a Snowden or anything, ‘And tha’s what-I don't think you were, cither. I really don't, And that's. But, ub [- think you made a mistake. But th-th-I don't think either one ofus think you're tryingto be Snowden. No, it was just that one document, because like you sai, Right. Mm. [OV) The proof that-you know. And I guess i just been hard at work pecause, And I've-t've filed formal complaints about them having Fox news aecrpaknow? Uh, justatleast, for od'ssake,putALazecraon,oraslideshow swith people's pets. I've tried everything to getthat changed. [OV] ‘That would probably be a good thing. Unfortunately, it doesnt matter side youre watching, Ithink they're all [Laughing] pretty bad [OV] 1. Yeah. -right now, but- [OV] Just. {OV] Ub. -Sthinkthepetsmay bethe way to £0. SECREBVNOFORN UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08162