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1 (WHEREUPON, the following proceedings were
3 Procedure:)
18 appearing. 09:04:34
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1 MR. OKAMURA: Kevin Okamura on behalf of 09:04:47
9 follows: 09:04:57
10 EXAMINATION 09:05:07
13 name and spell your last for the record, please. 09:05:09
16 before? 09:05:17
17 A. No. 09:05:18
22 A. Yes. 09:05:27
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1 format. You'll be given an opportunity to review 09:05:36
9 A. Yes. 09:05:57
19 A. No. 09:06:12
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1 A. I am. 09:06:27
9 A. '97. 09:06:43
14 A. Yes. 09:06:59
18 the '90s, so... I guess that would have been the 09:07:08
21 when? 09:07:12
22 A. 2003. 09:07:14
24 A. 2003. 09:07:17
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1 A. Yeah, I did them concurrently. 09:07:19
4 A. Yes. 09:07:31
6 A. Colorado. 09:07:32
8 A. 2003. 09:07:44
19 A. Correct. 09:08:12
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1 Olympic Committee, or what are they now? 09:08:37
4 A. No. 09:08:45
7 now. 09:08:51
19 A. Correct. 09:09:41
20 Q. To abuse? 09:09:42
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1 A. Essentially, what I mean is that SafeSport 09:09:58
6 Body? 09:10:14
11 Q. Correct. 09:10:28
15 sport. 09:10:38
21 USOC? 09:11:04
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1 Sorry. 09:11:13
15 initiative? 09:11:44
23 do. 09:12:02
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1 A. It's to protect all participants. 09:12:06
6 question. 09:12:17
23 that, but were you -- were you employed by the USOC 09:12:55
25 A. Yes. 09:13:01
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1 Q. Okay. So, currently, you are the Senior 09:13:07
4 A. Correct. 09:13:18
8 Q. Yeah. 09:13:24
13 is -- is -- is what? 09:13:35
21 Q. Okay. 09:14:02
23 voice. 09:14:02
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1 THE WITNESS: A response and resolution 09:14:02
2 office. 09:14:02
4 located? 09:14:04
13 A. Yes. 09:14:25
21 Center? 09:14:47
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1 that jeopardize their status with the USOC? 09:14:57
2 A. Yes. 09:15:02
7 standing. 09:15:12
24 effect. 09:16:02
25 Q. Okay. 09:16:02
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1 A. It's changed a couple of since I started 09:16:02
8 Q. Yes. 09:16:15
9 A. Yes. 09:16:16
15 A. Yeah. 09:16:24
18 A. No. 09:16:31
21 A. Correct. 09:16:37
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1 And let me go back to the supervision. I 09:16:49
10 Coordinator. 09:17:07
25 resources. 09:17:56
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1 Q. All right. And how long did you hold the 09:17:57
4 2015. 09:18:07
7 A. Correct. 09:18:16
8 Q. Okay. 09:18:16
17 A. Rana. 09:18:37
19 A. R-A-N-A. 09:18:37
21 Okay. 09:18:40
25 USOC? 09:18:48
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1 A. No. 09:18:49
6 at USOC? 09:19:07
7 A. No. 09:19:09
10 A. Correct. 09:19:12
17 litigate? 09:19:29
20 work? 09:19:34
21 A. Both. 09:19:34
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1 A. Gosh. Now you're making me go back many, 09:19:43
8 stuff, and work with prisoners who were, you know, 09:19:59
13 A. No. 09:20:18
16 A. Yes. 09:20:24
19 Q. Okay. And how did you find out about this 09:20:32
21 USOC? 09:20:39
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1 had this Director of Ethics and SafeSport -- who had 09:20:54
11 started. 09:21:20
16 A. CEO. 09:21:34
18 other people you just mentioned tell you what the 09:21:39
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1 Sport National Governing Bodies, and to coordinate 09:21:57
13 group? 09:22:27
15 Blackmun. 09:22:31
17 A. Correct. 09:22:33
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1 Q. Do you know if there's a specific instance 09:22:54
3 Group? 09:22:58
23 allegation? 09:23:36
24 A. No. 09:23:37
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1 A. Actually, that question was really 09:23:37
3 Q. Sure. 09:23:40
5 not the USOC did any sort of investigation into the 09:23:42
14 not? 09:24:03
19 A. No. 09:24:25
22 ethics? 09:24:39
24 Q. Okay. 09:24:44
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1 Q. And did you have any communications or any 09:24:49
7 A. Yes. 09:25:07
11 the 2010 Working Group; you know, spoke a little bit 09:25:16
19 again? 09:25:36
23 P-E-E-T-E-R-S. 09:25:39
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1 A. She was a USOC Board member. 09:25:50
5 Q. Attorney? 09:26:05
6 A. Correct. 09:26:05
19 psychologists -- 09:26:36
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1 Q. (By Mr. Estey) Okay. So, approximately 09:26:38
5 A. Correct. 09:26:55
14 A. No. 09:27:28
24 issue. 09:27:53
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1 of slow down just a little. You're a fast talker. 09:27:56
8 though. 09:28:04
10 looks -- 09:28:05
12 sorry. 09:28:10
24 A. I don't. 09:28:38
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1 Mr. Blackmun as to why he formed this Working Group 09:28:42
2 in 2010? 09:28:45
19 him? 09:29:26
20 A. Yes. 09:29:27
22 in general? 09:29:29
24 the status of, you know, the U.S. Center for 09:29:33
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1 development of the -- you know, historically, the 09:29:38
16 A. Correct. 09:30:18
23 A. Correct. 09:30:43
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1 A. Yes, although I'm fairly sure I would have 09:30:48
14 A. Yes. 09:31:20
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1 A. No. 09:31:43
17 A. No. 09:32:18
21 report? 09:32:32
22 A. Yes. 09:32:33
25 Q. Okay. 09:32:35
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1 A. Or, you know, they were recommendations. 09:32:38
7 of implementing? 09:33:04
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1 A. No. Not that I recall. 09:34:06
8 today? 09:34:22
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1 What's -- what's -- 09:35:07
7 December 31st, 2013, the NGBs had to comply with the 09:35:25
10 A. Correct. 09:35:34
14 question. 09:35:40
24 that had sort of the -- sort of the -- you know, the 09:36:25
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1 to the NGBs. 09:36:34
13 2011? 09:37:09
15 Conduct. 09:37:13
16 Q. Right. 09:37:16
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1 THE WITNESS: Oh, I said I think we can 09:37:26
5 is? 09:37:47
7 it. 09:37:52
9 A. Yes. 09:37:55
14 the time they sort of break it down into six steps, 09:38:03
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1 grooming? 09:38:35
21 A. Yes. 09:39:27
24 regard? 09:39:32
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1 resource for that is in our online training. 09:39:34
3 walks through those steps and what it can often look 09:39:42
14 A. I don't. 09:40:09
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1 Q. And what campuses are you talking about? 09:40:52
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1 minimum standards. 09:42:30
5 way, you know, there were plenty of NGBs who had 09:42:39
20 A. Correct. 09:43:22
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1 Q. (By Mr. Estey) Who's your -- do you have 09:43:30
5 of now? 09:43:44
13 know, I've exchanged emails with her, and I'm sure 09:44:02
14 I've spoken with her, but I don't know her, no. 09:44:07
17 about? 09:44:12
24 was. 09:44:35
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1 information with respect to Yazmin Brown's 09:44:44
24 you. 09:45:26
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1 A. Yes. 09:45:55
14 A. No. 09:46:44
18 speculation. 09:46:55
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1 direct communications with Ms. Brown? 09:47:19
2 A. Yes. 09:47:23
4 communication? 09:47:26
11 it? 09:47:51
12 A. Yes. 09:47:52
14 A. Yes. 09:47:57
22 phone. 09:48:14
24 A. Yes. 09:48:17
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1 conversation last? 09:48:21
3 recall. 09:48:26
13 conversation? 09:48:49
15 I recall. 09:48:51
18 A. No. 09:48:53
20 lasted? 09:48:58
21 A. Nope. 09:48:59
23 all? 09:49:04
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1 Q. All right. And after you had that 09:49:13
4 A. Yes. 09:49:22
5 Q. Who? 09:49:22
8 A. Correct. 09:49:26
16 A. No. 09:49:47
24 that phone call with Ms. Brown, did you have any 09:50:09
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1 Gitelman issue? 09:50:16
2 A. Yes. 09:50:19
3 Q. Who? 09:50:20
14 Q. To whom? 09:50:55
17 process. 09:51:03
20 USAT? 09:51:07
25 had known Ms. Sweet from -- you know, had known her 09:51:19
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1 for several years, and, you know, again, he was on 09:51:22
25 A. Yes. 09:52:34
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1 Q. Who? 09:52:35
3 some point, I'm sure there was some exchange with 09:52:43
6 A. Correct. 09:52:52
8 A. Correct. 09:52:55
19 Governing Bodies and make sure they've got the right 09:53:18
22 we can. 09:53:29
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1 Q. Well, you -- you want to make sure the 09:53:34
3 right? 09:53:40
4 A. Yes. 09:53:41
7 that the NGB, like USA Taekwondo, gets rid of that 09:53:46
15 "pedophilia"? 09:54:03
18 pre-adolescent. 09:54:09
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1 individual who is -- with an imbalance of power who 09:54:27
9 right? 09:54:48
21 be? 09:55:33
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1 THE WITNESS: Could I have the question 09:55:42
9 as well. 09:56:13
11 question? 09:56:17
14 Q. Sure? 09:56:20
18 A. Yes. 09:56:21
20 A. Correct. 09:56:25
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1 MR. OKAMURA: Same objections. 09:56:45
5 It is. 09:56:50
7 support them and figure out what's going and attempt 09:56:57
10 track? 09:57:05
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1 MS. HOLM: Well, I have to object to the 09:57:58
6 that National Governing Body was not doing its job 09:58:09
23 that the USOC didn't have the power, prior to 2013, 09:59:06
25 that National Governing Body was not doing its job 09:59:15
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1 in preventing coaches from having sexual relations 09:59:18
7 then? 09:59:28
9 as phrased. 09:59:30
16 see how she can answer this question about, "What do 09:59:47
19 fine. 09:59:53
24 A. No. 10:00:06
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1 Is that your testimony? 10:00:12
23 A. I don't. 10:02:23
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1 not -- I'm not the right person to talk through the 10:02:28
4 that. 10:02:38
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1 and when that relationship started, it could be well 10:03:33
6 that they say they control whether or not they can 10:03:51
10 circumstances. 10:04:03
12 Taekwondo? 10:04:05
19 A. I don't. 10:04:22
24 A. Yes. 10:04:36
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1 A. I mean, I think -- I think that part of 10:04:37
4 and, you know, the expectations around how you talk 10:04:45
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1 In other words, are they recommended by the USAT, or 10:06:01
3 athletes? 10:06:08
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1 A. I did not inquire. I received an email 10:07:24
6 email? 10:07:38
10 but... 10:07:46
18 tournaments? 10:08:08
19 A. Yes. 10:08:12
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1 A. I believe Ronda Sweet. 10:08:38
22 conversations. 10:09:34
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1 A. I mean, I -- listen. When I receive that 10:09:43
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1 tournaments following his October 2013 suspension? 10:10:59
5 on? 10:11:10
17 standards. 10:11:40
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1 Gitelman to continue to -- to coach these 10:12:19
2 tournaments? 10:12:23
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1 A. I don't recall whether it was Bruce Harris 10:13:40
16 that? 10:14:22
23 that. 10:14:45
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1 passed, there was an audit component added to look 10:14:56
8 mean... 10:15:26
13 question. 10:15:59
19 answer. 10:16:09
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1 A. Only in the generic sense from the 10:16:25
13 A. Yes. 10:16:55
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1 developing a relationship such that they can have 10:17:37
9 anything. 10:18:02
17 not." 10:18:15
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1 A. I don't know. I mean, I'd have to -- 10:18:35
21 A. No. 10:29:19
25 matter. 10:29:26
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1 A. No. 10:29:26
5 A. No. 10:29:37
8 A. No. 10:29:46
15 guys. 10:30:19
17 identified.) 10:30:19
20 A. Yes. 10:30:35
22 A. Yes. 10:30:39
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1 MR. ESTEY: Right. 10:30:43
2 Q. (By Mr. Estey) And did you have any role 10:30:44
9 A. Correct. 10:31:05
11 A. Correct. 10:31:06
15 A. Yes. 10:31:14
18 A. Correct. 10:31:18
23 A. Correct. 10:31:30
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1 practices, programs and tools to address sexual and 10:31:44
4 now? 10:31:55
7 sentence. 10:32:00
11 sorry. 10:32:13
13 here. 10:32:17
17 A. Correct. 10:32:24
23 A. No. 10:32:41
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1 to train in a safe environment is an incredibly high 10:32:49
4 A. Yes. 10:32:58
6 great fit for this new and important position, and 10:33:08
10 A. Correct. 10:33:20
13 safe? 10:33:28
16 Q. Sure. 10:33:39
21 A. Correct. 10:33:54
23 you've been hired by the USOC, that you have helped 10:33:57
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1 you -- it says. It says "help up implement 10:34:03
22 of example. 10:35:05
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1 A. Sorry? 10:35:15
3 A. Correct. 10:35:18
10 A. Correct. 10:35:34
12 identified.) 10:35:34
14 go to Page 3. 10:35:39
25 right? 10:36:22
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1 A. Correct. 10:36:22
5 right? 10:36:36
15 question. 10:36:49
19 answer. 10:36:56
24 sport. 10:37:08
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1 questions around what rule, if any, the U.S. Olympic 10:37:10
12 says. 10:37:42
24 A. Yes. 10:38:07
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1 often develop very personal relationships with 10:38:09
4 Q. Yes. 10:38:20
5 A. Yes. 10:38:20
9 correct? 10:38:29
10 A. Correct. 10:38:32
17 A. Correct. 10:38:53
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1 A. I don't believe so. 10:39:17
13 A. Correct. 10:39:42
15 A. Correct. 10:39:44
20 correct? 10:39:52
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1 there may be one-on-one interactions, but the fact 10:40:04
12 contact. 10:40:32
22 A. Yes. 10:40:58
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1 correct? 10:41:15
13 A. Yes. 10:41:52
15 A. Yes. 10:41:55
22 Q. Yeah. 10:42:16
24 some point we talked about sort of, you know, the 10:42:19
25 basics and what the research would tell us, yeah. 10:42:22
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1 Q. All right. So, this -- this is not -- 10:42:25
5 A. No. 10:42:35
10 A. Yes. 10:43:00
14 A. Yes. 10:43:11
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1 A. That is what the report says, yes. 10:44:15
3 to do then? 10:44:22
13 Q. Yeah. 10:44:49
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1 A. The first education requirement I am aware 10:45:40
13 A. Yes. 10:46:26
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1 THE WITNESS: It's the last paragraph. 10:47:09
4 home. 10:47:10
21 A. Yes. 10:48:13
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1 MS. HOLM: Objection. Calls for 10:48:29
4 A. I don't. 10:48:33
19 A. I do. 10:49:38
22 knowledge? 10:49:52
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1 A. Previous to this time, there was a 10:50:03
11 somewhere. 10:50:37
17 A. Correct. 10:50:57
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1 focused on sexual and physical misconduct that can 10:51:34
3 A. Yes. 10:51:41
7 A. Correct. 10:51:48
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1 A. Sorry. Could you repeat the question? 10:52:35
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1 A. Correct. 10:54:37
5 immaterial -- 10:54:43
11 A. No. 10:54:52
18 A. I do. 10:55:29
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1 A. I don't know whether there were a set of 10:56:00
15 A. Yes. 10:56:42
20 A. Yes. 10:56:54
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1 that was rolled out. 10:57:19
3 A. Yeah. 10:57:22
14 tips for parents; you know, things that they can ask 10:57:51
20 questions. 10:58:11
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1 Q. All right. And the -- the -- the stuff 10:58:27
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1 order for him to sexually abuse a -- a child, needs 10:59:45
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1 sexual predator to sexually abuse an underage 11:00:45
8 identified.) 11:01:03
10 Exhibit 3. 11:01:06
18 help -- 11:01:33
19 (Laughter). 11:01:33
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1 This is the physical center we talked 11:01:49
4 guess. 11:01:57
11 Blackmun." 11:02:17
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1 were discussing the Working Group's -- the 2013 11:03:08
6 identified.) 11:03:20
8 Exhibit 4? 11:03:30
13 sure. 11:03:45
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1 A. Correct. 11:04:09
15 identified.) 11:04:36
25 on this? 11:05:33
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1 A. I don't. You know, I recall having 11:05:35
4 though. 11:05:44
12 A. Correct. 11:06:17
21 A. Yes. 11:06:38
25 A. Yeah. 11:06:49
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1 Q. Okay. If you look at the second -- second 11:06:50
4 A. Yes. 11:06:58
10 violations. 11:07:16
19 the way you phrased it, you're just saying that 11:07:39
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1 patting a -- a child on the butt or hugging and 11:07:50
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1 These are all behaviors that a coach should avoid, 11:08:55
2 correct? 11:08:59
14 social media, and touching the minor in any way not 11:09:23
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1 MS. HOLM: She answered the question. 11:10:27
8 question? 11:10:36
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1 A. As a general statement, yes. 11:11:13
12 responsibilities. 11:11:39
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1 specific to 2010. It was available in 2000, 2005, 11:12:14
16 question. 11:12:53
19 hypothetical. 11:12:58
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1 are most vulner- -- vulnerable to misconduct during 11:13:14
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1 going to be somewhere in the SafeSport handbook 11:15:16
6 Q. Okay. 11:15:34
8 identified.) 11:15:34
14 A. Yes. 11:16:17
21 A. Correct. 11:16:43
25 A. Correct. 11:16:53
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1 Q. One in six is boys -- 11:16:54
2 A. Correct. 11:16:57
3 Q. -- right? 11:16:57
4 A. Yep. 11:16:57
7 A. Correct. 11:17:07
11 A. Correct. 11:17:16
16 abuse are quite low, and they always have been quite 11:17:30
17 low. 11:17:35
22 system. 11:17:49
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1 correct? 11:17:57
2 A. Correct. 11:17:59
7 A. Yes. 11:18:09
13 right? 11:18:21
14 A. Correct. 11:18:23
15 Q. Okay. 11:18:24
17 identified.) 11:18:24
22 article. 11:19:02
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1 article, right? 11:19:22
4 Q. Yeah. 11:19:31
6 I can't -- 11:19:33
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1 USOC's most important rules? 11:20:16
2 Q. Yeah. 11:20:18
10 A. I don't. 11:20:36
15 some point in the, let's see, one, two, three -- the 11:20:41
19 abuse. 11:20:57
21 A. No. 11:21:00
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1 that's where we continue to see the highest 11:21:15
14 here. 11:22:05
18 huh? 11:22:11
22 identified.) 11:22:16
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1 Ruger to you, and it's talking about how Gitelman 11:22:30
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1 remember this. 11:23:29
18 it. 11:24:11
20 A. Yeah. 11:24:13
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1 A. I don't recall. What you're asking me is 11:24:28
7 A. Correct. 11:24:41
16 right? 11:25:05
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1 A. Yes. It was my understanding, after some 11:25:28
5 hearing was set aside and that they had rescheduled 11:25:41
14 opinion. 11:26:04
16 man. 11:26:04
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1 hearing panel, whether it's coming from the 11:26:28
8 attorney. 11:26:47
13 Gitelman? 11:27:06
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1 been a subject of debate, not just within the USOC, 11:27:41
5 Q. Sure. 11:27:57
7 identified.) 11:27:58
13 Q. Sorry. 11:28:23
14 A. No worries. 11:28:23
19 doing?" 11:28:45
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1 the ability to impose temporary suspensions"? 11:29:03
21 of it. 11:30:01
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1 enforced." 11:30:10
7 pace. 11:30:22
11 sides. 11:30:22
17 prosecute Gitelman, and that there was not some sort 11:30:36
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1 not that was true or not, but, you know, yes, I 11:31:12
8 identified.) 11:31:33
17 A. Yes. 11:32:06
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1 want to become Ronda's pen pal. It looks like 11:32:58
5 state. 11:33:14
10 right? 11:33:26
11 A. Yes. 11:33:27
14 issue? 11:33:32
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1 cooperate with Taekwondo's process. 11:34:09
4 back? 11:34:18
10 now. 11:34:24
24 Gitelman? 11:34:57
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1 specific to all -- 11:35:05
2 Q. Okay. 11:35:07
9 identified.) 11:35:20
25 email -- 11:36:27
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1 Q. All right. 11:36:28
2 A. -- communications. 11:36:28
4 I think. 11:36:36
6 identified.) 11:36:36
11 Q. Yeah. 11:37:11
18 FYI. If okay with the group, I'd like to work with 11:37:33
21 there? 11:37:46
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1 Q. Okay. 11:37:58
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1 first page from Ruger to you and Johansen, it says, 11:38:51
2 "I do not know much about the details other than 11:38:55
9 A. Yes. 11:39:11
13 Brown? 11:39:21
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1 taken place on the time- -- timetable they had 11:39:53
4 Ruger and say, No, I think the USAT actually did a 11:39:58
14 identified.) 11:40:44
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1 MR. ESTEY: I -- I don't want to talk 11:41:18
5 convoluted. 11:41:37
8 introduced.) 11:41:41
14 email? 11:42:10
19 hearing? 11:42:48
20 A. Yes. 11:42:52
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1 Q. Did you reach out to Ms. Sweet to respond 11:43:17
11 identified.) 11:43:37
16 from Ms. Sweet? Did she give you a kind of dot to 11:44:11
18 A. Yes. 11:44:21
21 A. Yes. 11:44:28
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1 attorney this -- this email? 11:44:37
8 Open? 11:45:02
10 anything. 11:45:06
16 Gitelman? 11:45:23
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1 the content of it was. 11:45:43
3 generally? 11:45:47
16 January. 11:46:30
21 this: 11:46:38
22 A. Yeah. 11:46:38
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1 A. Yeah. I mean, I think at -- at some 11:46:54
3 contemporaneously. 11:46:58
5 was? 11:47:03
6 A. I don't. 11:47:04
8 identified.) 11:47:04
13 A. Yes. 11:47:41
18 Q. Oh. 11:47:56
20 know. 11:48:03
23 process? 11:48:11
25 A. I think -- 11:48:17
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1 MS. HOLM: -- for your recollection. 11:48:17
11 Q. Both. 11:48:53
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1 Q. And what -- what did he say, what did you 11:50:02
5 April. 11:50:13
10 Gitelman. 11:50:25
12 you know, these young women have been instructed not 11:50:28
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1 MS. HOLM: Don't speculate, please. 11:51:09
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24 Q. Yeah. 11:52:32
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5 A. -- yes. 11:52:35
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10 person under the age of 18, that would have been a 11:52:44
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20 half? 11:53:06
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3 Q. Yes. 11:53:20
11 without any facts and basis for her to even give you 11:53:43
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19 of? 11:53:57
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3 know that -- are you aware that Gitelman was con- -- 11:54:11
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6 A. No. 11:56:38
10 it? 11:56:47
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7 A. No. 11:57:45
15 initiative? 11:58:05
19 approval. 11:58:12
25 A. -- right? 11:58:20
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9 A. Yes. 11:58:47
15 strategy? 11:59:02
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8 A. I don't. 11:59:52
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1 SafeSport policies that can be found on TeamUSA.org. 12:00:51
4 A. Yes. 12:01:00
6 what are the policies that the USOC has in place to 12:01:02
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17 Q. Where? 12:03:57
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22 Q. Okay. 12:06:23
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14 the head of the OTC's at the time would have been 12:07:18
17 you may not know the answer, but my question is more 12:07:28
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1 Resources, you know, the -- the people who oversee 12:07:55
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2 A. Correct. 12:11:09
5 right? 12:11:19
6 A. Yes. 12:11:21
9 stay on the same floor across the hall from his 12:11:35
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21 male, the question would be, why didn't you have a 12:12:08
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1 Q. Have you ever become aware of any rapes at 12:12:19
3 A. No. 12:12:24
4 Q. Never? 12:12:24
13 A. No. 12:12:46
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1 talking about? 12:13:14
18 A. Yes. 12:14:09
20 him? 12:14:13
21 A. No. 12:14:13
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1 more than one so the names just come up from time to 12:14:31
9 Q. Jean. 12:14:52
19 you made aware of that? Who told you about that? 12:15:28
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12 2015? 12:16:13
18 A. Correct. 12:16:23
21 A. Correct. 12:16:35
23 did they -- they tell you -- did they give you all 12:16:38
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1 A. Yes. 12:16:47
12 A. No. 12:17:26
15 would hope that this message is not lost and young 12:17:33
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1 MS. HOLM: I gave you two of them; 12:17:58
11 arbitrator had told them in '07 that one would hope 12:18:12
15 A. No. 12:18:27
19 A. No. 12:18:35
23 A. No. 12:18:51
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1 told the USOC that one would hope that the 12:18:57
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1 MR. ESTEY: And those -- that's fine, but 12:20:03
2 I'm not asking her about this document. I'm asking 12:20:04
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16 date of December 31st, 2013, was the date that all 12:29:13
19 A. Correct. 12:29:20
23 A. Yes. 12:29:29
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9 A. Yes. 12:29:45
13 EXAMINATION 12:29:53
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1 Q. Okay. You mentioned other funders. Who 12:30:29
2 are the other funders? You said NGBs, USOC and 12:30:32
5 any of this is, you know, public at this point. The 12:30:39
12 lawsuit. 12:30:58
15 A. No. Oh -- 12:31:03
23 the USOC can make the NGBs do or not do, including 12:31:16
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3 what the USOC was doing during the timeframe that 12:31:28
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20 A. Rana. 12:33:37
21 Q. Rana. 12:33:38
23 A. Aspen. 12:33:39
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8 A. Yes. 12:33:59
10 A. M-c-C-A-N-N. 12:34:01
19 personally. 12:34:30
23 attorney? 12:34:39
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1 A. When you say -- yeah. Sorry. 12:34:40
3 A. Yeah. 12:34:43
7 A. Yes. 12:34:58
11 litigation. 12:35:10
16 please? 12:35:31
22 and the other people in the NGBs that handle these 12:35:44
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25 A. No. 12:36:55
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20 Center? 12:38:24
21 A. No. 12:38:26
23 Group? 12:38:30
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5 London? 12:38:53
6 A. No. 12:38:55
7 Q. In Sochi? 12:38:56
8 A. No. 12:38:57
9 Q. In Rio? 12:38:58
10 A. No. 12:38:59
16 A. No. 12:39:22
22 Summit. 12:39:39
24 in SafeSport? 12:39:43
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12 Q. Um-hum. 12:40:31
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2 A. Yeah. 12:41:12
6 earlier? 12:41:21
19 A. Okay. 12:41:42
22 Brackenridge. 12:41:46
23 A. Okay. 12:41:48
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9 that were made about Mark Gitelman, how would I get 12:43:19
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10 center. 12:44:29
15 2011? 12:44:41
18 Q. Okay. 12:44:52
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4 October 2011, and our allegation was that they used 12:45:15
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25 question. 12:45:59
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13 A. I did -- I -- I -- 12:46:19
17 question? 12:46:22
19 the discovery request and see what comes back out of 12:46:24
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24 in California. 12:46:37
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4 Ombudsman? 12:46:47
10 A. Correct. 12:47:19
12 A. With a K. 12:47:23
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20 possible. 12:49:04
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2 A. You're -- 12:50:32
13 local club, the USOC will not take any action 12:50:52
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19 Ted Stevens Amateur Sports Act that you draw that 12:51:08
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9 bit more. Do you mean in terms of, like, who did 12:52:59
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13 A. Yes. 12:54:04
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8 document. 12:56:39
12 A. Okay. 12:56:43
15 A. I do. 12:56:50
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12 A. Sure. 12:57:54
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10 and then the parent specific one, which we were sort 12:59:04
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