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Where is the Third Plague of Revelation 16?

What is the 3rd Plague? Answer: Poisoning of the fresh (drinking) water
[niv]I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues--last, because with them God's wrath is completed. Revelation 15:1 [kjv]And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. [niv]Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth." Rev 16:1 [kjv]And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. [niv]The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. Rev 16:4 [kjv]And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

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INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT 2011 findings on HOW THEY HAVE BEEN POISONING OUR FRESH DRINKING WATERS?

Transcription of A Special Interview with Jeff Green By Dr. Mercola Source: www.mercola.com

For (spiritual) protection: www.franky1.com DM: Dr. Joseph Mercola JG: Jeff Green

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POISONING OF THE FRESH WATER IN AMERICA WITH FLUORIDE ET.AL. How dangerous is our drinking water? Plague # 3: Cursed (poisoned fresh water) --How they poisoned (not just polluted) our drinking water? How harmful is the aluminum and chemical fertilizer industry? How evil is this beast US government and her tentacle Philippine government, et. al.? How evil is business? Thats why both government and business will fall Revelation 18!

SUMMARY OF THE WHOLE ARTICLE:

How dangerous is our drinking water? It has become the safe hiding (read: the only best disposal) place to throw toxins from industries like aluminum, fertilizer, etc.

INTERVIEW PROPER:
[Note: During the transcribing of the recorded interview, some words are not discernible. So the transcriber simply write (indiscernible 5:49). The figure stands for location in the video time, e.g., minute and second in the video records.]

Introduction: DM: Welcome everyone. This is Dr. Mercola. Today, I am here with Jeff Green who is an activist in the movement to eliminate a toxic poison from your water supply and most you know that poison would be fluoride. Welcome Jeff. JG: Thank you. I appreciate being here. DM: Why dont you let us know what your history is with this fluoride opposition movement and how you came to this position and what brought you to your level of activism that you have been involved with now for 15 years or so. JG: My history is I have been a management consultant for health professionals. I had some 400 dentists as clients. I have had a previous history of networking with dentists as far back 1984. They would still use mercury amalgams. So it kind of changed my life as to how I saw that. It happened to be in 1995 that the State Legislature in California circumvented all the local decisions that have been made more than a hundred by the way in California. DM: Local communities in California that have decided to JG: That had actually rejected fluoridation.

DM: And they had it removed from the water supply or in the process? JG: Actually, they never put it in it was one of the most lightly fluoridated areas by large margins and some of them repeatedly the municipalities. So they went to the State Legislature where they took about 20 years in preparation. DM: Who is they?

Legislative Lobby Group


JG: Its interesting it actually had some people from the Scripps newspaper to up the money to begin with to finance a way to be able to eventually change the legislature or direct the legislature. They took some almost 10 years of preparing for all that and then bragged about the fact at how they were able to slam it through the legislature. The state legislature in California actually came up with at that time I thought it was a pretty strong mandate that everybody had to fluoridate. As it turned out it was conditional. It wasnt quite the mandate that we thought it was. DM: Thats a pretty strong effort of resources and time to commit to. JG: Yes. DM: What do you believe was responsible for the orchestration of that effort to essentially mandate fluoridation throughout the entire State of California?

Who were responsible for the fluoridation of the entire state of California?
JG: Well, the whys become a big problem. In fact those are variables because everybody doesnt fit on the same page for a part of that. Obviously the dental community in terms of what we call the trade association The American Dental Association has pushed it all across the entire United States. But the real culprit if you want to call it that is the U.S. public health service has actually done everything possible that they can do to make certain that the health departments of every county and every county in the entire United States is pushing the project basically.

Why the push for fluoridation of water in America? First source of fluoride: Manhattan Bomb Project
If you go back especially if you read some of the books and some of the information that came from the declassified documents that happened from back during the Manhattan Project you see that the primary proper motivation from the very beginning was liability protection. It may still be part of it but it has become such a strong process right now that it doesnt make any difference what evidence was placed in front of it. There is just a big push for it.

Summary: The cause or reason: To protect the men doing the Manhattan Project from any future health liability that its fluoride and uranium waste may cause in the future. Ayl.

DM: So when you mentioned liability protection what were you referring to? JG: During the time that the Manhattan Project, most people dont realize that the magical element that was able to make the bomb basically was uranium hexafluoride. It was actually this special aspect that allowed them to separate the uranium isotopes to make the bomb. At that time, they didnt know how powerful this was going to be and so they went in to high production creating fluoride that was coming out of the top of at that time what they are allowed to be able to come out the top of smoke stacks that wiped out herds of cattle. They wiped out orchards. They wiped out actually etched glass in schools that were literally miles away with no intent of slowing or stopping even if it hurt anybody at all.
Summary: Fluoride needed to extract uranium. Uranium for making bomb.

Who were in charge of the Manhattan Bomb Project?


DM: This was the people in charge of the Manhattan? JG: Manhattan Project. DM: (indiscernible 5:44) Department of Defense I would assume and military contractors who were (indiscernible 5:49). JG: There were but at that particular time there was one man by the name of Harold Hodge who basically has gotten the title by some people of kind of a mass murderer if you think about it because he basically was willing to go out and he was the one that actually coined the phrase, that its safe and its effective and it cuts across all economic lines. So those same words are the same words that have been used since the 1940s.

Project Manhattan was to make bomb using Uranium which could be extracted using fluoride
DM: Help us understand this. There was this massive effort to produce nuclear weapons at the end JG: Even before they knew how powerful they were, sure. DM: And in that process, a toxic waste product was produced, fluoride. JG: Well their intention was to use it. DM: The waste product is fluoride? JG: The fluoride was part of the uranium hexafluoride. They were producing it as fast as they could so that they could separate the (indiscernible 6:33) DM: So they are combining it with the uranium. They required it as an ingredient. JG: That was the ingredient that actually made the bomb work. DM: So it wasnt a waste product. JG: No. DM: I was confusing that with I guess aluminum manufacturing fluoride being a waste product of that industry.

JG: Part of the protection for the liability was to basically put it everywhere and tell everybody it was great. It basically goes back to the old (indiscernible 6:58) conversation about advertising basically. If you got something bad just repeat it over and over again and thats the greatest thing in the world until somebody believes you and then you just keep on repeating it. The issue about marketing and advertising and eventually putting it in the water was to make it ubiquitous, make it everywhere so that there wasnt any culprit and basically exposure. DM: That makes sense as a strategy to allow it to become pervasive but Im still a little bit confused as to the connection with the military and the interest that were involved to perpetrate that.

But after disposing the Manhattan Project fluoride waste, why did they continue placing fluoride from other sources?
JG: I think the people who first began to fight against the posse of fluoridation focused on the fact that the original product came from the aluminum industry. Its true it did but two years later it didnt anymore. DM: Two years later after what? JG: Actually in the 1940s, two years after they introduced it into the water, all of a sudden the sodium fluoride which is what they were utilizing at that time became very valuable to them. Up until the Manhattan Project nobody really understood just how powerful an element that fluorine is which is the element. They didnt understand how powerful and the tremendous uses that it has. That becomes an important thing I believe even in our discussion with the public because without knowing it, they dont realize that its all around us. You cant be mad at the element because its powerful. DM: It is what it is. JG: On the other hand what happened is that they in essence basically used sodium fluoride to begin. Within two years later, they found a cheaper source for it.

Next source of fluoride: Aluminum Industry


DM: So the process is that there was initially this waste product as a result of the aluminum industry that they needed a way to dispose of properly without costly methods of disposal and they had this mechanism or proposal of putting it in the water supply under the guise of improving dental health. JG: That was the perception to begin with is that this was a waste but they learned within two years that DM: Im just (indiscernible 9:02) initially. Is that correct? And after two years because of the JG: Recognition. DM: Recognition and appreciation of fluoride and its other uses; industrial and militarily JG: That industry and even the aluminum industry. DM: So they stopped using that but then Im still confused as toif they needed this then why would they dispose of it in the water supply? JG: That was the point is that those people who were actually fighting the public policy issue thought that the whole purpose was to get rid of this extraneous byproduct when in fact that wasnt the

motivation. It was the liability protection from the beginning. So two years later all of a sudden they found another product that was much more readily accessible. The reason it was so readily accessible is because it truly was a hazardous waste and it truly was something they did not know how to control. That came from the phosphate fertilizer industry.

Third source: Phosphate Fertilizer Industry!


Summary: Their real purposes: 1) dispose harzardous waste through the water supply; 2) ? ___ . And their selling point or alibi: to improve the dental health of the people!

Whats important about that aspect of it is that the phosphate fertilizer industry most people think that phosphate is the primary product [----- 10:00 -----] when back in those days, they were interested in the uranium that was found in that phosphate ore. The interest in the uranium was still the interest that they had then and so the then byproduct of the phosphate that eventually went out for our fertilizer for all of our lawns and everything else, it could not be utilized for the fertilizer in the form that it was being taken out of the ground. That it had too much fluoride in it. Most people dont realize that some plants are a lot smarter than we are. They wont take it up through their root system. So because of that, the fertilizer wouldnt be very valuable at all. It wouldnt be drawn up into the root system and help the growth. So what they did basically was that they had to actually pour sulfuric acid over the top of the same ore, this phosphate ore that they are using and it created a gas. This gas was hydrogen fluoride. They would go out and kill everything around it, animals, plants, and people. DM: So they would remove the fluoride from the phosphate allowing them to use the phosphate for agricultural purposes. JG: Yes. In essence what they ended up was a eventually what they had to do was to spray water on it to capture it. Very simple, they called it a scrubber system but they would capture it then which then became the hydrofluorosilicic acid. Hard for a lot of people to say until you get used to it but hydrofluorosilicic acid became now this waste if you want to call it or a byproduct, I mean it depends on what stage that its in.

Not just fluouride but poisonous metals, etc.!


But in essence, this hydrofluorosilicic acid is not just the fluoride that was removed from that ore but its the arsenic, and the lead, and the cadmium, and the mercury and all of the other contaminants that are a part of that particular ore. So it wasnt added especially for it but it is still contained in it. Whats amazing about this is that very early on there were people who thought well maybe one of the things we can do to remove the motive for all of this is to find some other uses for hydrofluorosilicic acid. Well the truth is there are lots of other uses for hydrofluorosilicic acid but the problem is they couldnt deal with all the arsenic and the lead and the contaminants in it. The process of taking out the arsenic would be the same as taking out the fluoride. You basically have a product that is almost perpetually that kind of a negative product. DM: Toxic.

Toxic and no place to throw or hide but drinking water

JG: Toxic. And so as Im sure the people I have described to you, now you have a product or a hazardous material that you cant put in an ocean, you cant put in a river or lake or stream, you cant bury it and you cant even give it away. [Quoted from above: Most people dont realize that some plants are a lot smarter than we are. They wont take it up through their root system. So because of that, the fertilizer wouldnt be very valuable at all. It wouldnt be drawn up into the root system and help the growth. So what they did basically was that they had to actually pour sulfuric acid over the top of the same ore, this phosphate ore that they are using and it created a gas. This gas was hydrogen fluoride. They would go out and kill everything around it, animals, plants, and people.] DM: But you can sell it and put it in the commercial water supplies. JG: Only if the EPA basically says only if you call it beneficial and this is why we hear all of these constant claims of how great it is without any treatment. Meaning, it doesnt have to be filtered. It doesnt have to be revised or anything else then it can be taken directly all across the United States and dumped in the water, the very place that they couldnt put it directly. They just put it through (indiscernible 12:48). DM: I was aware that the hydrofluorosilicic acid was a source of fluoride that was being used to fluoridate the water supply but I wasnt aware that it had these associated contaminants with arsenic and lead. Is that still the case today? JG: Its still the case. In fact up until probably somewhere in the mid-90s, 95% of all of the fluoridation chemicals came from central Florida. Seventy percent came from one company by the name of Cargill which is not in the same, it is now replaced by Mosaic but 70% of all fluoridation chemicals came from there.
Source of hydrofluorosilicic acid: central Florida, esp. Cargill Corp

Even though there are now sodium silicofluoride which is in the same bracket as the hydrofluorosilicic acid and the sodium fluoride, all of them were typically coming from that same source. They were just basically revised. What we normally thought of as a lot of it coming from the aluminum industry hasnt been true for a long time.
Summary: The greater source of hydrofluorosilicic acid is Fertilizer Industry

DM: I really appreciate you carefully explaining that because that is certainly not the perception that many of us have about this. Actually, as you stated that the belief was that it was this because that was always the issue is to try to understand the motivation for this process. It was in my review was typically ascribed to removing this toxic waste from the aluminum production but it appears from what youre saying that this is really more of a liability issue even from the very beginning to I guess educate or confuse or deceive the public into believing that this fluoride was beneficial when it was actually quite toxic.

JG: The fact that primarily because I think the perception because the (indiscernible 14:31) Foundation played such a large role in promoting this early on. The (indiscernible 14:36) Foundation

being alcohol, aluminum, and connections and so forth that the tendency was to think that that was the issue and so people fought that fairly strongly. But even if you look at the cost of the actual product that could sell without getting rid of the product is nothing compared to the huge cost that we all go through otherwise. It is true that the companies that sell it have an opportunity to get rid of a product that would otherwise cost them money to get rid of. But the real difficulty with this is that when we talk about fluoridation per se, we start talking about the public policy and the assumption is that were talking about the very same thing and were all talking about the same thing when its not at all.

The Deceit Behind Fluoride


Another aspect of the hydrofluorosilicic acid obviously is that the hydrofluorosilicic acid when its actually in terms of people looking at it, they found out that none of the studies have ever been on the hydrofluorosilicic acid. So anytime they hear someone saying that fluoride is safe and effective, well, are you talking about Prozac? Thats fluoride. And Zoloft? What we call psychotropic drugs (indiscernible 15:41). DM: Cipro. JG: Yeah. All of the things that we call SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) that would relate to the serotonin chemical in our brain. Most people dont realize that if you wouldnt had anesthesia for a general surgery knock on wood that somebody didnt have to do that they would have four molecules of fluorine and two of chlorine and one of bromine. Those are enough to be able to put you in that temporary coma. Rohypnol, the rape drug that basically puts on a certain amount of amnesia for a certain period of time. So there are so many different kinds of products and so many that especially work on enzymes that make a major difference. So when someone uses the word fluoride, I believe we start with a deception from the very beginning. Those of us who work on the issue are just as bad about it because we sometimes talk without people realizing exactly what were speaking about. So when we now learn that the product is actually hydrofluorosilicic acid, there is almost a bragging by the promoters of fluoridation that you dont have to have a study on it because they have studied fluoride over and over again and they have never looked at the actual product itself until just recently.

Truth coming out 2011


DM: So there are some studies that had been published or currently ongoing to actually look at this current source of fluoride that they are using? JG: Yes. In 1998 to 2000 I was able to get a congressional investigation on fluoride. At that particular time the House Committee on Science allowed us to write some questions that would be sent out to various entities. Originally it was to the EPA. So we asked them very specifically because congress has powers that you and I dont have to be able to get that information. We asked them to basically send the scientific data that they had on the silicofluorides. They wrote back, we couldnt find any for what we call continued they call it chronic effects of the use of hydrofluorosilicic acid or the silicofluorides. They didnt have any at all. Up until 2010, and now 2011 there has only been two studies that have ever dealt with what we could call the continued use of the hydrofluorosilicic acid. Were talking about toxicological studies where you can actually Im sure youre aware but much of your audience may not know that you have to have a controlled environment and the laboratory animals and so forth. But they were able to finally confirm through these toxicological studies the very thing that they had found through large epidemiological study that there is a higher amount of lead that shows up in blood. In the epidemiological study it was 400,000 children. It showed that there was a tremendous

increase. A doubling of not only the average amount but four times as much for Latinos, seven times as much for blacks, and unfortunately, a doubling of the danger level of lead in childrens blood when hydrofluorosilicic acid was present in the water. The importance of that was that it was also compared to having no fluoride added into the water but also sodium fluoride added into the water. So there was really a difference between the specific product being placed in there. So these toxicological studies that they just performed, they were really clearly done so that they could actually see that when lead was present at the same time that hydrofluorosilicic acid was present that there was this tremendous increase not only in the blood but also in the bone, in the teeth, and a lot of other tissues that are what we call calcium rich.
Point: lead in the blood increased after the hydrofluorosilicic acids were added to our water

DM: Are there any studies that looked at the actual arsenic or some of the other contaminants that were in the silicofluorides? JG: None of the studies have actually shown the combination between the arsenic and the fluoride. Citizens for Safe Drinking Water, we actually took a position and supported a lawsuit that was filed in California back in 2002-2005. Because the state law had already mandated fluoridation, we were not able to go after the public policy of fluoridation. The state had deemed that it was safe and effective. The courts really wouldnt allow you to be able to do that. We actually went into court addressing the amount of arsenic that was in the product delivering that into the water when it was added. So even though were talking about what you might think was stepping on it, really reducing it down to lower amounts that youre putting in the water, the amount of arsenic that went along with this hydrofluorosilicic acid was allowed at a level that would be one in every 1500 people having lung or bladder cancer over a lifetime. The amazing part of it is that the arsenic does play a very large role in terms of affecting people. [----- 20:00 -----]

FLORIDE TOXINS FROM SOIL PLUS BEING POURED INTO THE WATER = INCREASE OF LUNG OR BLADDER CANCER

DM: So its in some peoples municipal water supply normally because its a contaminant of some water supplies but I believe thats the case. JG: So does fluoride. Both of them appear in water supplies what you might call naturally. They are there because of soil and erosion and things like that there are some amounts yes. DM: That when you add this silicofluoride into the water as a source of fluoridation then you actually massively increase it to the point where youre causing a significant increase in the rate of certain cancers. JG: A significant increase. Many people will remember that there was a fairly big fight and actually the fight has gone on for 50 years just like it is with fluoridation process as well where they were looking at arsenic levels and trying to bring them down. Most will remember during the Clinton era that those numbers did come down. They went from 50 parts per billion down to 10 parts per billion. Of course now when were looking at money everybody billions and trillions sound different to us but most people its those really tiny amounts when in fact they are significant in the way that they affect

us. What happens is with arsenic is that the National Academy of Sciences came out and actually gave details of exactly when and at what concentrations that people are affected by it.

Four drops in a water filling up a football stadium thats how powerful the toxic fluoride group is!
California did a more clear one where they actually didnt use zero because the result of the National Academy of Sciences is that there was no level of arsenic in the water that wasnt harmful to people. California can use zeros but did not use zeros. So the California EPA there did a risk assessment and their risk assessment showed that if youre going to have one in a million Americans are people who are consumers, they were going to be affected by it that the amount for arsenic would be four parts per trillion. So were talking about four drops in almost a football stadium full of water basically. Its that powerful. So when you look at it from four parts per trillion all the way up to the levels that are allowed to be put in the water now, you have a big scope of people who are being affected by it. This addition to whats already found in the water because of the soil has tremendous impact. DM: What level does it increase over and above what you find in (indiscernible 22:06)? JG: Basically, they did through a congressional investigation. We kind of forced the issue where they had to establish what kind of measurements that they were getting in concentrations. Of course there were many communities that were way above because they have way too much arsenic in the first place but they made a determination that the additive, the hydrofluorosilicic acid was the biggest contributor of (indiscernible 22:27) of this extra arsenic that was coming in. Unfortunately, the levels that are allowed meaning they are okay. They are basically checked off and said you can put it in there are as much as one like I say, one in every 1500 to one in every 5000 persons. This is a lifetime of consumption because its not all of it. But as an additional exposure to everything else we get this is terrible. DM: Its an interesting information. To the best of my knowledge, I havent been previously aware that these toxins were in the source of the fluoridation that they were using. JG: To add something that may be of interest because it was something that was actually published in the Florida newspapers. In the hurricane that happened before Katrina, they came across through central Florida, basically now Mosaic but then Cargill had what they called holding ponds different than Erin Brockovich type of holding ponds where you see something very flat. These are 180 foot high radioactive gypsum. They are almost like towers basically that this hydrofluorosilicic acid was kept in. When the hurricane came through it blew all that down. Where did it all go? It went all over central Florida. The first newspaper account was that they had a 30,000 to 40,000 gallon spill. Then it was the 300,000 and 400,000 and then it could go up into the millions until you get to 30 to 40 million. In the newspaper, they had to admit, they did admit Cargill admitted that yes it was a little radioactive but not a lot. Its not going to hurt you. This has always been true that these were always held in this radioactive gypsum kind of things right there. No one has ever really done all of the work to be able to determine the effects of the cadmium. There is a lot of work obviously done on mercury but not so much, no matter how much of the mercury is in there. Because arsenic plays such a larger role that thats the one that almost everybody focuses on.

DM: Lead is a big issue too. There was a lot of effort and energy that went previously to remove that from the environment.

Role of Fluoride: Transport toxic arsenic to cells


JG: Its important to realize that there is lead in the product. However, the concern we have is that the way that the free fluoride ion works is that it actually acts as a transport where it transports heavy metals to places that they wouldnt normally be able to go. So some of the early studies had to do with aluminum and showed that if you had 0.5 parts per million aluminum fluoride compared to 50 parts per million fluoride so youre talking about a hundred times more. That when you put that in basically youre exposing a laboratory animal with that that the lower amount actually transports more of aluminum to the brain. It creates the same kind of lesions that humans usually think of as being Alzheimers and that kind of a thing. The amazing part is that it has a transport. It isnt necessary that it has to be in really high concentrations. That it doesnt take that normal curve that we normally expect that says if you give more, more bad stuff happens.

Reason for activism to protect people from contaminated water


DM: Most of us as individuals are pretty busy. Weve got active lives and families and businesses that were involved with that keep us occupied. Im sure youre no different. What motivated you 1516 years ago to become interested in this because you obviously have developed quite a bit of expertise over and above what (indiscernible 25:40) JG: There were several things I think that pushed me. One of them and I guess the primary one is that this is me. This is my life and this is my world. I believe that Ive got a responsibility for the way it turns out. The fact that the dental industry was being duped and being utilized to sell it to everybody. I actually went back to a large number of my clients back at that time and asked them how much fluoride was in Coca Cola. Their reaction wasnt it is or it isnt in Coca Cola or how much. It was whos got a hold of you? Who has done something to you? Because the dental industry as a whole has been taught that the philanthropic thing to do once youve gotten out of school if you dont want to take care of everyone of these people yourself is to find some public policy that will help assist you with lower income people. There is almost a bar that used to go across between anybody that would actually discuss that openly. I guess I felt a value system that I felt like I had to work with there. The other part of it is that there is tremendous difficulty in my mind that when we start having even majorities of people who can tell the minority what to eat and drink for the rest of their life I dont believe that thats right. DM: It certainly wouldnt seem to be the case. JG: I actually put on effective advocacy clinics in which part of it comes because of what we ran into and the other part is because as being a management consultant, we look at different ways to be able to deal with things. What I found when people call us up is that you find that there is a consistency with those people who take advocacy positions. Most of it from the very beginning they think that our anger at the (indiscernible 27:15). Unfortunately, that somewhat shapes what we do afterwards and sometimes thats not to our best advantage.

Motives of the US Government


DM: Can you highlight the reasons or at least your belief as to why a federal agency like the United States Public Health Service whose main charter is to protect the public health actually got things confused and turned around and actually is actively endorsing policies that is causing serious damage to the public health? JG: If you actually go to Chris Brysons book that it took him almost 10 years to finally come to. That Cliff Honaker played a larger role in providing some of the investigative services where they went to the declassified documents. I think it corrected a lot of us who thought maybe that it was coming from the aluminum industry or other things like that. I just think that basically that most people dont realize just how powerful an urge if you want to call it that or motivation that the government has to be able to control things the way that they want to control them.

Next danger: To vaccinate us with hydrofluorosiicic acid containing lead, cadmium, mercury, etc.!
There was at one point people who worked in the field and new a lot about hydrofluorosilicic acid and their thought as well at those particular times people expected to have bombs happen and that wasnt this good idea to basically put a lot of the stuff out there and start basically putting up almost like a vaccination but at least a beginning stage of it so we got to be better prepared for it. I dont have any proof that that was part of it. I usually try to stay away from the wise. It almost always means you have to accuse somebody of something and I dont know that they all fit into that. I do know that as a general dentist its because they do not have the information and never looked at it. So we found ways to pierce through that instead of fight with people all the time. Now I think that becomes important. DM: You have been motivated obviously to make a difference in this specific area. Can you describe your process as to what youve done to make a difference and to help people eliminate this from their water supply? JG: First of all I have to say that I went through some of those same stages that I believe that most people do is that the anger and injustice is the part that motivates you and that almost a first process that almost all of us go through. It could be about vaccinations. It could be about mercury amalgams. It could be about a number of things. Is that we go out and do our own research maybe very minimally to begin with but eventually youll find out that most people will take an anti position in anything become very knowledgeable, not that they are always correct but they learn a lot more than the person who is usually promoting it basically. But in the process of doing that, the tendency is to do what I call one of the worst things we can do is we take on the burden proof. That we actually believe because if we could just say it better and then thats one of our difficulties. [----- 30:00 -----] We think if we could just say it better, give it to somebody a little bit cleaner that somehow that would be enough to justify there are someone else making a shift on their mind. So we bring paper after paper. Were killing off a lot of trees trying to get other people to be able to understand what we understand with the assumption that if they knew what we knew that the common sense would say that they wouldnt even perceive this at all.

Its an uncomfortable comeuppance to finally realize that that isnt what shapes our world at this particular point.

INFORMING PEOPLE IS NOT ENOUGH


DM: If I cant slightly interrupt you here. I actually went through the same process myself. It took 10 to 12 years before I realize that you just cant continue to educate people. You actually have to do something active to address this injustice otherwise it doesnt work. People know its not going to make a difference. You have to motivate them to take a very specific action. JG: Right. The motivation we always think is being right. So when someone calls me, I normally fairly rapidly tell them that there are certain things that I already know about. One of them is that basically that they believe that people are responsible for their own health. I usually ask them if they also believe in informed consent. And then the third thing is whether or not that they believe that a majority should be able to tell the minority even if it were a vote.

Truly, in all of them basically you come back with the same thing. I have to tell them, I just have to let you know that were not necessarily in the majority and that the message is that you and I might be attracted to are not the messages that are necessary for us to communicate to someone else who doesnt believe that strongly about those things. So that we have to actually shift. An awful lot of what I call anti positioning becomes really important and I think thats the part that I would display to you thats happened for us or from me across this time as becoming more successful. One of them is that I have to deal with using our effective advocacy clinics. We talk about how anti positioning actually shoots ourselves in the foot. The first thing being is that when were anti something, the first thing were doing is telling everybody were out of power. Because if youre in power, you dont have to be anti anything. You just do what you want to do. Second thing is every anti message has the promoters message there with an x across it. So if anything you are reminding everybody and youre actually taking the channel that has been created by the promoter and fighting really not only on their terms but in most cases, you are already seeding authority. So that if anything even though I know you have learned a lot about this, that anything you could put up that basically say that fluoride was negative or something else, (indiscernible 32:35) to be able in most venues to basically show that youre wrong and Im right. Not because I am right but because it only takes that within certain venues. But the big one is basically taking in the burden proof. We want to carry it around and say that were right. When in fact were doing is were allowing the authority to say thank you very much but thats not what everybody else feels. So the one major shift that I believe that we found that has worked much more effectively is understanding that you have to be as representative of the people who are for fluoridation as those people who are opposed to fluoridation. One of the difficulties is that when we talk about fluoridation and in most cases when we talk about fluoride, were talking in general terms about whats being placed on the water. In fact, what ends up happening is that there is no harm. The public policy doesnt harm us. So even in the court, you cant really go after the public policy. The courts have all determined all across the United States that this is a legitimate government interest. I dont believe it is but I would never win that in the court because the courts have already said the government should be able to do these kinds of things. Our difficulty is were going after windmills that basically are not evenly accurate place to work on it. One of them is here is an example. Lets imagine that you had a situation in a community where a promoter of fluoridation, it may be a dentist or it could be somebody from the Health Department made this long opinion piece that had 15 things in it that those of us who actually understand the issue would say were probably not correct. That there were misrepresentations or there were omissions of some kind. At the early stages of your dealing with the issue, the tendency is to go back there and try to show everybody how each one of those is inaccurate. I dont doubt the motivation and also the fact most of the time the people who are responding are accurate when they are doing it. But the audience cant hear that. They cant see it. They are not prepared to be able to deal with that kind of in fighting one because they cant tell who is right or wrong. DM: And the audience being the vast majority of the general population. JG: Sure the general population. I have to separate that in white because I think you have a unique situation where people come to you because they want to hear what you have to say. Its not just your conclusion, they expect that youre going to give them explanation and you can provide things. DM: There is certainly need for that but in the broader perspective of actually making a difference and change in the culture, thats an approach thats going to be successful in your experience. JG: Right, in my experience. Not only in my experience but more importantly there is no venue for that because what youre dealing with is okay, we dont think it should be in the water, well it is.

Were already stuck with the fact that you have to start making some you have to educate some people about that aspect of it.

Avoid the approach of anti-positioning


But as long as we continue to fight in anti-positioning what I believe occurs is that the general audience remains and retains their same opinion that they had to begin with. As an example, if we were to go on a radio program which my best friend and partner in this well be on the same radio program, you know, highly knowledgeable about the science and so forth. Hes a dentist that can say things very, very clearly. If we had a host that would be basically asking questions, most people would have presumed that the kind of question Im going to suggest to you right here is a really good one. Dr. Kennedy or Jeff Green, they would ramp us up and talk about all the things that weve done and then the big question kind of comes out, now that the people who are going to be receiving this substance in the water, what kind of adverse health effects would you expect them to see? That is really an appropriate question and its a good one however, if at the moment if somebody starts answering that and numbering off, ta-da, ta-da, ta-da thats what I call pandering to our own side and to the people who already understand the information because one, the tendency is for us to speak a little bit fast because we dont usually have enough time to get all our information out. But more importantly the more clearly he says it the less likely that the audience will understand all the words that he has put together the way he has put them together. So they have to go back inside what I call, you know, their filing cabinet inside or something else they pull out. That they have to go back in the filing cabinet and determine is what this person saying accurate and related to my experiences and what I have learned? So when we talk about things, again, like vaccinations or this or even mercury amalgams or the other kind of things like that, they are stored information that would be natural. I mean, this is not a negative thing to me. Its natural for that audience to be able to start looking and seeing how does this compare. If we go too fast, they cant even hear half of what were saying because were coming to conclusions that they cant get to. In the long run that same individual who is putting information out very effectively in terms of if we just look at it from that viewpoint but in the long run, this is probably 80% of the market or around 80% of the audience, and they have no opportunity to get where that person is. So one of them is because we start with the word fluoride where they already allow people to keep the assumption that fluoride is this special ingredient that we add to the water and we add to toothpaste. And thats what it is without any understanding of all the other uses and all of the other exposures that we have from it. Not knowing that, you know, we talk about solar panels. Whats on the back of that solar panel? Its fluoride.

Very useful but why is fluoride most dangerous?


Industry prizes what we call fluoride compounds. Whats amazing is there is so much education out there thats never explained to the general public. But its primarily one because its the most aggressive seeker of another electron. Its the most negative electromagnetically negatively charged element in the entire world. It basically is the most interactive of all the elements. I call it a bully. It will give up whatever its with to be with something else. Its kind of promiscuous that way that it will give up everything else.

So its prized by industry because it actually disrupts molecular bonds. So its made to crack all kinds of things basically to refine heavy metals. We wouldnt have gasoline the way that we have it if we didnt have fluoride being used for it although they may be using some other things now. Its been the primary reason why we have petroleum gasoline the way we have it.

Exposure to fluoride far greater than realized


If you look at the industry also wants it because it creates tighter molecular bonds. So Scotchgard, Stain Master, Gore-Tex, the ski gear, Teflon. These are all fluoride type compounds as well because they actually make it a tighter molecular bond that is more impervious to penetration. Most people dont realize though that thats these wax papers that have been wrapped around these fast foods, on pizza boxes and on things that are put on the shelf to retain higher shelf life. So we have exposures that are just way beyond. By the time you get to the enzyme activity and knowing what it can do to disrupt enzyme activity, the effects are just so widespread that its just amazing. So we talked earlier about some of those products but its also used to potentiate products as well. So you find it in all kinds of things. I mean, its in antihistamines. Its in things that people are using for asthma the DM: Inhalers. JG: Yeah, those things as well as you see it all across the board that its being utilized and most people dont see that its being fluoride. What we found is that to the general public as long as youre just talking about your conclusion and trying to tell something its bad until you can actually broaden so they can see the nature of fluoride then in the long run basically it just becomes a he said, she said and in the long run you dont have much value with it. [----- 40:00 -----] When I sit and I am able to talk to people slowly as opposed to trying to say this rapidly as we can, that people dont need to know how fluoride. Once they learn the nature of fluoride they would never want to put it in their water.

Alternative Strategy rather than being anti


DM: So what are you suggesting as the alternative strategy rather than being anti which I agree with because even as a physician or someone seeking to improve themselves from personal development perspective. It has been known for a long time that you really want to avoid these anti or no messages like you wouldnt give yourself an affirmation of I want to stop doing this. You would reframe it as a positive perspective. JG: Right. Something you are going to do. DM: Right. That seems to be far more effective consistently and most of the disciplines realizing and understand this. people who dont understand that arent able to successfully achieve their personal development goals typically. What strategy would you recommend to apply this concept to this position rather than taking an anti for it position? JG: Were talking about two things. One is how do we educate the public. I shouldnt say it that way. I should say, first of all, we always have to determine what our audience is. There are certain audiences that you could talk about science because they are scientists and you would have been

given the opportunity. Im not saying that those kind of issues shouldnt be displayed, that they shouldnt be discussed but for the general part, the general public, unless you can actually start talking about the nature of fluoride and broaden the base of their understanding so it isnt just a single purpose agent that is being placed in the water. That what ends up happening is that they havent broaden it enough to be able to understand how all these other things could happen. So as an example, fluoride is used in the ceramics business to make them more porous. Well it does exactly the same thing to our bones. But once they have learned all the other uses for it, it becomes very easy to see how it does the same thing to our own calcium rich tissues. DM: So there is still an educational intervention but it needs to be in a different direction to broaden the appreciation of what this material is and then once they have that appreciation they can begin to become more acceptable and comfortable with JG: With the same information. But whats interesting is they do it by themselves at that point because once you have broaden it you can almost think of this as being a file and they have got a very narrow file thats already full of things that _ basically said that fluoride is good. It reduced tooth decay and most of that is all subjective or whatever they got from the media. Were trying to force in a whole bunch of other information and thats never very open. Whereas if you start opening that up and broadening the file and the base so that they can see about these other things; one, theyll find it all around them and they can come to some of those conclusions. That by itself doesnt change everything but it does change the description and the topic in terms of how were discussing things. Almost all of what you would call (indiscernible ) initiatives or even action that take place in city councils are all based on the public policy of fluoridation. So they have a troop of people who come in who oppose water fluoridation

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Now declassified files of the Manhattan Project and the Atomic Energy Commission shows that the original motivation for promoting fluoride and water fluoridation in the U.S. was to protect the bomb- and aluminum industries from liability Originally, the fluoride used to fluoridate water supplies came from the aluminum and atomic bomb industries. A couple of years later, they switched to an even more hazardous waste product: hydrofluorosilicic acid from the phosphate fertilizer industry This hydrofluorosilicic acid also typically contains arsenic, lead, cadmium, and mercury, plus a variety of other contaminants that are part of the phosphate ore, and, shockingly, it does not have to be refined or filtered prior to being shipped and dumped into municipal water supplies Studies on the health effects and safety of fluoride have always used pharmaceutical grade fluoridenot the far more toxic hydrofluorosilicic acid from the phosphate fertilizer industry. In the last two years, only TWO studies have finally dealt with the continued use of hydrofluorosilicic acid, and found it increases lead accumulation in blood up to seven times. It also increases lead absorption in bone, teeth and other calciumrich tissues

By Dr. Mercola Jeff Green has been an activist in the movement to eliminate a toxic fluoride from your water supply for the past 15 years. The practice of adding fluoride to municipal tap water across the U.S. began in 1945. With more than 60 percent of U.S. water supplies currently fluoridated, chances are you're one of the 170 million Americans who drink fluoride on a daily basis.

Chances are also high that you're unaware of the sordid history that made water fluoridation a reality in the first place, because contrary to popular belief, its origins actually had nothing to do with protecting your dental health. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, you might be unaware that the fluoride added to your water is far from pharmaceutical grade

The Manhattan Project Gave Birth to More than the Atomic Bomb
"If you go back, especially if you read some of the books and the information that came from the declassified documents from the Manhattan Project, you see that the primary motivation from the very beginning was liability protection," Green says, referring to the fact that massive amounts of fluoride was manufactured and used for the bomb-making process, which created huge liability once they realized just how toxic it was. " [M]ost people don't realize that the magical element [used] to make the bomb was uranium hexafluoride. It was actually this special aspect that allowed them to separate the uranium isotopes to make the bomb." The fluoride from this bomb-making process was initially released into the environmentas was fluoride waste products from the aluminum industrywhere it ended up killing herds of cattle and wiping out entire orchards. Both the aluminum industry and the Manhattan Project realized they had a major toxic waste problem on their hands that would cost a lot of money to dispose of properly. "Part of the protection for the liability was to basically put it everywhere and tell everybody it was great," Green says. But just how do you do that? Very shrewdly Water fluoridation could easily qualify as one of the grandest public health frauds and toxic cover-ups in U.S. history. The deceit has been so effective, you're hard-pressed to find anyone who doesn't automatically say, "But everyone knows fluoride is good for you!"

Why Fluoride HAD to be Declared Safe


Now declassified files of the Manhattan Project and the Atomic Energy Commission shows that the toxicology department at the University of Rochester -- which was under the direction of Harold Hodge -- was asked to produce medical information about fluoride that could help defend the government against lawsuits where they were charged with fluoride pollution. It is now clear that if water fluoridation were declared harmful to human health, the U.S. nuclear bomb program, as well as many other fluoride-polluting industries such as aluminum plants and fertilizer manufacturers, would have been left open to massive litigation. The plan? Declare fluoride not only safe, but beneficial, and sell the troublesome waste to municipalities across the US

How the Idea for Water Fluoridation Came about


The brainchild of water fluoridation was Gerald Cox, a researcher with the Mellon Institute in Pittsburg. He received the suggestion to look at fluoride's dental effects from Francis C. Frary, then director of the aluminum laboratory for the Aluminum Company of America. Frary had reasons for the suggestion other than the possibility of protecting tooth enamel, however. He was very concerned about the fluoride pollution being generated by the aluminum plant, as lawsuits from surrounding farmers increased. Another major player in the creation of this scheme was Harold Hodge, the chief toxicologist of the Manhattan Project. As part of a group of scientists and engineers who helped develop the atomic bomb in World War II, Hodge was responsible for evaluating the toxicity of the chemicals used in the production of the bomb. One of the chemicals, as mentioned, was

fluoride. Due to the massive amounts of fluoride required to produce bomb-grade uranium and plutonium for these nuclear weapons, the Manhattan Project also needed some way to avoid potentially crippling lawsuits. Last but not least, there was Robert Kehoe with the Kettering Laboratory, a private toxicology lab that ended up producing a massive bibliography of abstracts on the soundness of communal water fluoridation, and fluoride's (beneficial) role in public health. However, this research was not particularly independent or unbiased. Not only was Robert Kehoe working for the Fluorine Lawyers Committee, preparing defenses in fluoride litigation cases, the Kettering report on the health benefits of fluoride was also funded by the National Institute of Dental Research and fluoride-polluting industry-heavyweights like: The Aluminum company of America (ALCOA) The Aluminum company of Canada DuPont Reynolds Metals

Kaiser Aluminum

U.S. Steel

What's Really Being Added to Your Water Supply?


Originally, the fluoride used to fluoridate water supplies came from the aluminum and atomic bomb industries. A couple of years later, however, they realized there was another fluoride product that was much more readily available. The reason it was so readily accessible was because it was a truly hazardous waste that was very hard to get rid of, namely hydrogen fluoride from the phosphate fertilizer industry. This fluoride gas is captured in the scrubber system and turned into hydrofluorosilicic acidwhich is the primary source of fluoride used for water fluoridation. This phosphate fertilizer byproduct also typically contains arsenic, lead, cadmium, and mercury, plus a variety of other contaminants that are part of the phosphate ore. "And so now you have a product, or a hazardous material, that you can't put in an ocean, you can't put in a river or lake or stream, you can't bury it, and you can't even give it away," says Green. But you can sell it and put it in the commercial water supplies! " [T]his is why we hear all of these constant claims of how great it is without any treatment," Green says. "Meaning, it doesn't have to be filtered. It doesn't have to be refined or anything. It can be taken directly all across the United States and dumped in the waterthe very place they couldn't put it directly [if it was still considered hazardous waste]."

Fluoride Proponents Never Actually Tested "the Real Thing"


Part of the difficulty when discussing water fluoridation is that many do not realize that the fluoride you find in drugs, for example, while harmful, is not quite as bad as what's being used for water fluoridation. The fluoride added to your drinking water is not pharmaceutical grade. It's a toxic industrial waste product. Deepening the deception is the fact that none of the studies on fluoride actually used the far more toxic hydrofluorosilicic acid that is added to the water supply. Rather they use pharmaceutical grade fluoride, so the health hazards are likely FAR worse than any study has so far discerned. "So when someone uses the word fluoride, I believe we start with a deception from the very beginning," Green says. " [T]here is almost a bragging by the promoters of fluoridation that you don't have to study it because they have studied fluoride over and over again, yet they have never looked at the actual product itself until just recently! In 1998 to 2000, I was able to get a congressional investigation on fluoride. At that particular time, the House Committee on Science allowed us to write some questions that would be sent out to various entities. Originally it was to the EPA We asked them to send the scientific data they had on the silicofluorides. They wrote back [saying they] couldn't find any [data] for chronic effects of the use of hydrofluorosilicic acid or the silicofluorides.

They didn't have any at all. Up until 2010, and now 2011, there have only been two studies that have dealt with the continued use of hydrofluorosilicic acid. [T]hey were able to finally confirm, through these toxicological studies, the very thing they had found through large epidemiological studythat there is a higher amount of lead that shows up in blood. In the epidemiological study it was 400,000 children. It showed that there was a tremendous increase... four times as much for Latinos, seven times as much for blacks, and a[n on average] doubling of the danger level of lead in children's blood, when hydrofluorosilicic acid was present in the water." The importance of that was that it was also compared to having no fluoride added into the water and [pharmaceutical grade] sodium fluoride added into the water. So there was really a difference between the specific products being placed in there."

Fluoride Increases Heavy Metal Accumulation in Your Body


These studies also showed that hydrofluorosilicic acid increases lead accumulation in bone, teeth, and other calcium-rich tissues. According to Green, the free fluoride ion actually acts as a transport of heavy metals, allowing them to enter into areas of your body they normally would not be able to go, such as into your brain. "Industry prizes what we call fluoride compounds," Green says. "What's amazing is there is so much [information] out there that's never explained to the general public. But [fluoride] is the most aggressive seeker of another electron. It's the most electromagnetically negatively charged element in the entire world. It basically is the most interactive of all the elements It will give up whatever it's with to be with something else So it's prized by industry because it actually disrupts molecular bonds Industry also wants it because it creates tighter molecular bonds. So Scotchgard, Stain Master, Gore-Tex, ski gear These are all fluoride-type compounds as well because they actually make it a tighter molecular bond that is more impervious to penetration. By the time you get to the enzyme activity, and knowing what it can do to disrupt enzyme activity, the effects are so widespread, it's just amazing... Once [people] learn the nature of fluoride, they would never want to put it in their water."

How to Eliminate Water FluoridationAn Alternative Strategy


Green suggests an alternative strategy for ending water fluoridation. Rather than being "anti" fluoridation, he prefers reframing the issue from a more positive perspective. "First of all, we always have to determine what our audience is," Green says. "There are certain audiences that you could talk about science to because they are scientists but for the general public, [you need to] start talking about the nature of fluoride, and broaden the base of their understanding so it isn't just a single-purpose agent that is being placed in the water So as an example, fluoride is used in the ceramics business to make ceramics more porous. Well, it does exactly the same thing to your bones. Once they have learned all the other uses for fluoride, it becomes very easy to see how it does the same thing to your own calcium-rich tissues."

Join the Fight to Get Fluoride Out of Drinking Water


Earlier this year I joined forces with Dr. Paul Connett to help put an END to water fluoridation in the U.S and Canada. The Fluoride Action Network has a game plan to do just that. Our fluoride initiative will primarily focus on Canada since 60 percent of Canada is already non-fluoridated. If we can get Calgary and the rest of Canada to stop fluoridating their water, we believe the U.S. will be forced to follow.

I urge you to join the anti-fluoride movement in Canada and United States by contacting the representative for your area below. Contact Information for Canadian Communities:

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If you live in Ontario, Canada, please join the ongoing effort by contacting Diane Sprules at diane.sprules@cogeco.ca. The point-of-contact for Toronto, Canada is Aliss Terpstra. You may email her at aliss@nutrimom.ca.

Contact Information for American Communities: We're also going to address three US communities: New York City, Austin, and San Diego:

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New York City, NY: The anti-fluoridation movement has a great champion in New York City councilor Peter Vallone, Jr. who introduced legislation on January 18 "prohibiting the addition of fluoride to the water supply." A victory there could signal the beginning of the end of fluoridation in the U.S. If you live in the New York area I beg you to participate in this effort as your contribution could have a MAJOR difference. Remember that one person can make a difference. The point person for this area is Carol Kopf, at the New York Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation (NYSCOF). Email her at NYSCOF@aol.com . Please contact her if you're interested in helping with this effort.

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Austin, Texas: Join the effort by contacting Rae Nadler-Olenick at either: info@fluoridefreeaustin.com or fluoride.info@yahoo.com, or by regular mail or telephone: POB 7486 Austin, Texas 78713 Phone: (512) 371-3786 San Diego, California: Contact Patty Ducey-Brooks, publisher of the Presidio Sentinel at pbrooks936@aol.com.

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COMMUNITY COMMENTS

PaulConnett
Joined On 2/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Jeff Green is correct when he stresses that you can have all the scientific arguments in the world that fluoridation is bad idea however local decision makers frequently defer to local dentists and health officials for the final word. For over 60 years endorsements from government and professional bodies have won out over genuine scientific evidence. Jeff is also right when he insists that proponents should be forced to provide the evidence that the fluoridating chemicals used are safe and have been subjected to thorough toxicological testing. No individual or agency including the chemical companies that deliver these chemicals to communities can provide this evidence. The failure to do this has led to some communities (e.g. Poughkeepsie, NY) halting fluoridation. Where communities have a champion holding an influential position who is prepared to force this line of questioning this can be a very fruitful strategy. However, it does not alleviate the rest of us from trying to educate as many people as possible including doctors, dentists, scientists, and local decision-makers - as to the stupidity and dangers of putting a known toxic substance into the drinking water. Moreover, by not fluoridating the drinking water we are not depriving anyone from the more rational TOPICAL benefit from fluoride via fluoridated toothpaste. This is the task taken on by the Fluoride Action Network and by Dr. Mercola. One place where both approaches come together is the fact that these industrial grade fluoridating chemicals inevitably lead to an increase in arsenic levels in the water. Arsenic is a known human carcinogen, which according to the US EPA, has no safe level. Thus fluoridation must inevitably increase cancer rates in the US. Paul Connett, PhD, co-author The Case Against Fluoride and director of FAN, www.FluorideAlert.org
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jazz_com
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Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Sir, there is NO TOPICAL BENEFIT from fluoride in toothpaste, Its another ILLUSION, and simply added to the whole fluoride problem. Fluoride has to be banned from drinking water AND toothpaste ,you must avoid any contact with fluoride.(don't forget teflon cooking ware) Another funny problem is : if now all water fluoridation is stopped, that will the solution for industry to get rid of their waste?? is there already a solution for this? because don't think it's not our problem, it will become our next problem. Industries are not doing anything until they are forced by laws because only money is important for them.
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cassestes
Joined On 10/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I made a big stink when I found out it was in our water, by way of my baby's teeth having white marks on them... and she was also having severe stomach problems. We had to give her formula because we found out very late that she was tongue tied and nursing was not going well, even after 3 months... We ended the problem when we realized the water that we were filtering had fluoride (something I thought they stop doing years and years ago). Apparently, all of Orange County, CA has fluoridated water. Ugh! My baby's teeth are better and her stomach problems went away within 48 hours of using only bottled water. I called Culligan and had a REVERSE OSMOSIS system put in my house, the water tests better than bottled water for purity. ONLY REVERSE OSMOSIS removes fluoride... Brita or charcoal filters for your refrigerators DO NOT.
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Waterdoctor
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Posted On Nov 12, 2011


You are correct. Reverse osmosis and distillation are the only reliable ways to remove fluoride. No filter, non, effectively removes enough fluoride for regular consumption. The fluoride also contributes to the dead nature of public water, so look into revitalizing your dead clean water after purification. Excellent article by Mercola.
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cassestes
Joined On 10/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Forgot to add that the City of Fountain Valley's point person on this assured me that it was safe. Did not even tell me it was unsafe for my infant... But they sure do want their money on time each month for the water. :/

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bebig10
Joined On 4/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


There are only 3 ways to remove fluoride from water and one of the is reverse osmosis and the other two are distillation and bone char. The bone char method requires a several stage set up to get most of the fluoride out. Distillation removes fluoride & chlorine very efficiently, but I use a second stage carbon filter I made from granulated charcoal I bought from the store that sells fish tank supplies. The distiller was $99 on line and works incredibly well. I fill the distiller with water that I run through the shower filter that removes chlorine, etc. so I start with reasonably pure water. For the best water you can drink I recommend the following to all my patients: Acidic water brings Hydrogen Ions into the body that the body needs. Water that is alkaline brings in hydroxides. Alkaline water begins to oxidize the body. In the short run, people feel better drinking alkaline water, but the long run it is not good. Japanese research has made this very clear. You have to protect your water supply and the only way is you be in charge of it. Distilled water gets out all the pesticides, herbicides, and nasty chemicals in water. It's good to put the water through carbon filters, as I do to get rid of any possible gases that may have come across the distillation process. You also get out all the frequencies in water that are beneficial and that's not a good thing. So you need to upgrade the distilled water you just made. You can upgrade the distilled water by putting a pinch of pink sea salt per gallon, that brings the water to about 50 parts per million, then you put minerals in it that you choose, and then you need to structure the water with crystal energy. Then you vortex the water. You can do this with a wooden spoon. Now you bless the water and let it sit out in the moon light over night. Sunlight disorganizes water, but moonlight organizes it. You take the water inside in the morning and you have high energy water.
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ANTICRIME
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Isn't it a SHAME that "We The People" must spend our dollars to buy equipment to REMOVE toxins that our own government DUMPS INTO OUR WATER?! ~ To add insult to injury, our municipalities use OUR TAX DOLLARS to BUY the stuff! ~ The information that we are receiving concerning the TRUTH about fluoride and fluoridation of our water supplies MUST be made known to any Mayor or politician

running for public office...for THERE is where the problem lies!!!

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curious7
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Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I have a filtration system marketed by Dr. Mercola, specifically marketed to remove fluoride from our drinking water, and I think that if you are concerned about this deadly additive you should take a look at this filtration system. Of course there are other systems on the market, and I would advise anyone to do a comparison between all the models that remove fluoride from you drinking and cooking water. www.pure-earth.com/fluoride-water-filters.htm www.***/fluoride.html www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cnvdASPeOE www.thebestwaterfilters.com/fluoride.html Different filter makers make different claims, do your homework. Get as much information as possible, on just what the filter is supposed to do, and how the filtration system is constructed. Some water filter manufacturers use harmful elements to construct the filters they market as safe. So again do your homework.
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curious7
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happyisme07
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Removes most contaminants up to 99%. Removes fluoride at about 75-80%! Remove chlorination byproducts at 99.6%. Removes chloramines at 95%! Seychelle Filter. (Can this be true??? Hype? It looks to be a counter top deal.) The page continues to state: These filter pitchers even significantly reduce FLUORIDE! We have independent test results that show up to 90% fluoride reduction. The tests were by independent laboratories, including the city of Los Angeles, using EPA/ANSI protocols and NSF Standards 42 and 53. The effectiveness might decrease a bit over the life of the filters, so we estimate a 75 - 80% fluoride removal rate. The tests show nothing harmful being leached into the water.
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happyisme07
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Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I found this on the seychelles site page: (True?) Do Seychelle Filters Remove Fluoride? Yes - up to 90%! The Micro-Porous body of the filter contains thousands of interconnected omni-directional pores, each being a uniform 2 micron in size. In addition to pore size control, our micro-porous filters have 3 proprietary media impregnated within that are coordinated carefully for the reduction of potentially harmful contaminants. The mechanical filtration is superior in efficacy in the removal of what is referred to as the A, B, C, D and R of water contamination: Aesthetic unpleasant taste and odors, cloudiness, silt, sediment, chlorine and chlorine by products

Biological harmful microscopic pathogens such as Cryptosporidium, Giardia, E-Coli and other cysts and spores Chemical toxic chemicals (VOCs), Trihalomethanes, PCBs PCEs, detergents, and pesticides. Dissolved solids including heavy metals such as aluminum, asbestos, fluoride, cadmium, chromium 6, copper, lead, arsenic and mercury Radiological Radon, radon 222, radium, uranium, and cesium 137
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RubySage
Joined On 5/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


.. and, (to add to water doctors great advice) if you are purchasing reverse osmosis water from an outlet, do yourself a favor and use GLASS bottles. I work in a corporate natural foods chain and see many people using all forms of plastic containers, and they tend to not listen to the advice to refrain from their use. Don't trade one problem for another. You can find great glass containers by using the gallon glass containers that contain apple juice at most grocers, or seek out beer supply buisnesses that sell 3 or 5 gallon glass bottles. The 5 gallon bottles can be quite difficult to handle, (25 lbs. for the bottle plus 40 lbs plus for the liquid) so the 3 gallon tend to be the best option.
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FLUORIDE AS MIND CONTROL TOOL

Autist
Joined On 1/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


In the 1930's IG Farben scientists discovered that fluoride greatly affected the occiput area of the brain, the part of the brain that is involved in decision making. It is not by accident that at least a third of all psychiatric medication has fluoride associated with it, tricyclics included. When dosed for over a year the brain is permanently changed and general apathy eventuates. The nazi's used this aspect to control their population and dosed the water supplies accordingly to produce an apathetic populace. On the completion of the war the

technology associated with fluoride was exported to the soviet block, later to NZ, Australia, the UK and lately to Northern Ireland to tone things down. When the Albanian peoples dosed with fluoride proved restive the dosage rate was doubled or quadrupled as the governmental demand dictated. Mind control by fluoride is an interesting sinister aspect, for if one takes a valium molecule and adds fluoride at the appropriate site on the molecule, Rohipnol is produced about a hundred times more powerful than the valium, fluoride is found elsewhere especially in anesthesia products and damages the brain accordingly especially in early onset dementia. Far from benign the fluoride continues its deadly task about the place in a variety of products and not at all for the common good.
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Green Tea
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


The dental supply company 3M ESPE and others readily promote the fluoride emitting properties of a selected number of dental surface 'technologies'.
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paphia
Joined On 4/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Autist, can you please give us your evidence for (a) the IG Farben fluoride programme, and (b) the use of fluoride by the *** for mind control. I have looked closely at the sources that are commonly quoted for fluoride use both by the *** and by the soviets. They are all either completely bogus or highly suspect. Unless you can persuade us otherwise, I shall continue to regard this whole thing as a myth. There are plenty of good scientific reasons to reject water fluoridation without this rubbish.
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bschec7
Joined On 2/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


The systematic culling of the herd continues. Not quite sure why I remain an American, as the malignancy of our leadership, and the docility of our populace both disgust me. But, i have been trained to be loyal, and to fight for The Good. There are eyes fluttering open, and The Matrix does seem to be losing some of it pull. Just as they amp up the current. The center does not hold, and I do hope that a renewed Libertarian strain saves us all. Have been all organic, raw, RO filtered (Gerolsteiner for required minerals), for over eight years. My family as well, although they are not nearly as diligent! Have helped a few co-workers go Paleo, and they now are also advocates for the Mercola lifestyle. Dr. M., I have some thoughts on a string of Mercola sponsored organic cafes, learning centers, wellness centers. Your brand is strong, and many of us are tired of our specious "success" within the prison walls of the NWO. I consider myself an avenging lamb, and while preferring harmony, I would gladly slaughter (slowly, and painfully) a cadre of the old world banking families, Neo-Cons, neo-Libs, and scientific death purveyors. That means, generations of Rothschilds, Kuhns, Loebs, Schiffs, Medici, Duponts, Monsanto execs, Progressives hanging from trees, flesh slowly removed. Of course, these executions would occur after due process of law, unlike the heinous acts of barbarism we perpetrate on innocents these post 'Patriot Act" days. "Give me liberty, or I will give YOU death."

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Patrick McGean
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Mind control is easy to understand if you look at the Periodic Table of elements: Oxygen has 8 electrons, Fluorine 9, which under the rules of the Table, its math, oxygen is blocked by fluorine, hence the comma of anesthesia. Therefore mind control becomes a left brain to right brain failure to communicate. Failure to reason. Dr. Seneff is in Dallas as we discuss Jeff Green's mission to remove all fluorides from our environment. Let's remove all of the chemicals of man and his greed. Greed is enemy, corporations are the enemy. WE spend the money. Got sulfur? Mercuric sulfate, aluminum sulfate, lead sulfate and many others which can not remain in the body human. Our "early onset" dementia, Autism and Alzheimer's are the same "early onset" vaccine caused "being lost in ones own mind" are responding when sulfur is added back into the diet.

No Chemicals for we are organic biological beings.


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bmc
Joined On 2/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Autist, I think you need to check your anatomy and physiology before writing a post. The occipital LOBE (as apposed to the occiput, which refers more to the area of the skull BONE) is mainly the area of visual processing. The cortex and the amygdala are the areas known for decision making. It does make one wonder where you got you information, and if you actually verified it's truth. No wonder paphia was questioning and asking for some evidence. Frankly I'm surprised you got so many points and paphia in turn got dinged. I do not want fluoride in my water, but spreading rumors about it are going to hurt rather than help our cause. Hmmm, occiput.. decision making.. maybe that's where the term bone headed came from???

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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 By United States Congress. House. Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, United States, Congress, House, Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce Published by U. S. Govt. Print. Off., 1954 Original from the University of California 491 pages

Excerpts: Page 51 FLUORIDATION OF WATER: By using the pressure of the Federal Government he induced the city fathers of Newburgh, N. Y., Grand Rapids, Mich., and Evanston, 111., to try a 10-year experiment with fluoridation "to actually determine the effects of this 'rat poison' upon the dental caries of growing children." This was in 1945. The Nurenberg trials against Nazi criminals for experimenting on humans started in 1946. Thus we see the paradox in which one Department of the Government is prosecuting 23 *** as arch criminals for illegally experimenting on human beings without their consent. In said trials the fact that humans were used as "experimental" guinea pigs outraged the conscience of the civilized world as being a crime against the fundamental laws of God and the inalienable rights of man. Some were hanged, others received long time sentences. But, at about this same time, we see another department of our Government (deliberately) committing the same illegal criminal act en masse against its own people in the name of "medical therapeutics." Continued in next post ...
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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 - Excerpts: 52 FLUORIDATION OF WATER In a letter to Michael Ambrose, Ewing insists that fluoridation "should be pushed vigorously." Thus, with the backing of the United States Government, and millions of the taxpayers' money to spend on unsubstantiated and unscientific propaganda, such a sales promotion program would give even rat poison the flavor of bon-bons and the smell of Chanel No. 5. Is it any wonder that local city and town officials were swept off their feet and felt sure they could be doing no wrong by imposing this mass medication experiment on the unsuspecting and misinformed public. After all, wasn't the United States Government urging it? Let us digress to remind these local officials that the Nazi war criminals also thought they were doing no wrong. They pleaded that the orders came from "the highest possible German authority" So, now with the United States Health Service openly pushing fluoridation Operation Rat Poison is making wonderful strides wherever the whole truth is not told to the public. Sub-stantiating proof for above, to follow in next installment. Re second installment of fluoridation hoax. To the Members of the Oeneral Court: As promised we offer herewith the second installment of operation rat poison. This one gives the substantiating scientific proof to the bold statement made in the first installment; namely, that the profluoridators have

positively no conclusive scientific proof of their contention that the adding of sodium fluoride to the drinking water can in any way help the teeth of children. The sources given herein are authentic and many are from unimpeachable scientific data made before the selfish sale of rat poison became a Government political football. Continued ...
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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 - Excerpts: FLUORIDATION OF WATER 53 Our legislators certainly realize that with political backing many sufficient pseudo-truths can be broadcast that will fool all who do not take the time to investigate. We are all victims of such propaganda as regards fluorine. We are not getting the scientific truth. As Senator Miller put it, he was convinced that one presumed authoritative source was simply repeating the other, with none having done any scientific work and each feeling safe because it had a Government agency's blessing a modern version of '"the king can do no wrong." Part II. FLUORIDATION, A HOAX OR OPERATION RAT POISON PROOF OF CLAIMS MADE IN PART I A poison Section 20703 of the Health and Safety Code of the State of California defines fluorides soluble in water as poison. Section 20751 makes it unlawful to vend, sell, give away, or furnish either directly or indirectly any poison enumerated in section 20703 without a poison label. The Massachusetts Legislature owes it to the people of Massachusetts to pass a law that will prohibit the poisoning and polluting of our water. The law should be made specific to counteract the propaganda of the United States Department of Health whose authority apparently changes the universal chemical action of God-made elements. Continued in next post ...
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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 Excerpts: FLUORIDATION OF WATER 177 Mrs. Robinson. If the chemical fluoride, could be proved to be of any benefit to dental health, it would still be highly improper to administer it by the high-handed, compulsory method of adding it to our warier-supplies. Such treatment is an infringement of individual constitutional rights. At the risk of their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, our fathers fought and died to establish in this country not a so-called democracy that would allow any majority vote to tyrannize a helpless minority but a Republic, with a Constitution. These Founders worked closely and prayerfully with God and they based the whole foundation of our law upon the 10 Commandments. They considered the individual rights of man as so significant that they also included certain amendments called the Bill of Rights, which outlines the law that a majority vote of citizens or officials may not rule upon matters infringing stated constitutional rights of minorities. 178 FLUORIDATION OF WATER The first amendment specifically protects the religious rights of individuals of different faiths who may depend wholly upon God, and prayer, for their healing. The fourteenth amendment guarantees individual privileges and immunities, and also protects our life and liberty. As was stated by the judge in Shreveport before awarding the injunction against fluoridation on January 5, 1954: "There is a great difference between adding something to purify the water and in adding something to the water in order to treat the people who drink the water." Continued in next post ...

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BigJoe_5216

Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 Excerpts: 178 FLUORIDATION OF WATER Fluoridation is a violation of the provisions of the Pure Food and Drug Act. Such law provides that no deleterious substance may be added to food and water is defined as food. A beer company was convicted and fined under this law in 1946, for merely having had a trace of fluoride found in their product. And it was not necessary to prove that the amount used was great or small just the fact that the fluoride should not have been used in food because it is a deleterious substance. Pharmacologists have labeled fluoride as a toxic, protoplasmic poison. Cans of sodium fluoride found on drugstore shelves are plainly labeled "Poison," including the familiar skull and cross-bones. Fluoridation is malpractice because neither Government bureaus, city officials, nor the voting public, has any authority to so prescribe for helpless neighbors and their defenseless little children for all time, and with no hope of escape from this medication. Medical monopoly and so-called wonder drugs are not the final answer to the question of health. Millions of intelligent and respected people depend upon wholesome, unadulterated food and drink for healthful daily living and longevity; and millions have had to turn away from medicine and surgery to other methods. Honest practitioners of naturopathy, chiropractic, and other drugless healing do not lack for patients, their office are filled with those who are looking away from the drugs and synthetic chemicals. It is only under the Kremlin, the ***, or the Fascists that such schemes as water fluoridation could be expected to be found. Continued in next post ...
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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 Excerpts: End of page 198 FLUORIDATION OF WATER, begin page 199: I am quite sure it is registerable as a trade-mark by its inventors. I would like to discover the name of the inventors of the term "fluoridation." If it were possible to do so we would be one step along toward the eventual discovery of the motivation for what is most certainly the most foolish and unjustifiable experiment ever carried out either upon voluntary or upon involuntary human subjects. I would like to read to the committee, Mr. Chairman, one of the most exciting pieces of prose composition I have ever read either in the scientific line or in the lurid fiction which I may have followed as a younger man. This is an extract which must come in here in my opinion, if you will permit it, in the limited time which is granted, as documenting the arbitrary selection. I would like to put "selection" in quotes if you please, to refer it back to the procedures which were carried on in Nazi Germany historically, to the arbitrary selection of involuntary and unconsenting human subjects of medical experimental research and treatment with fluorides; which is to say, with a

fluorine compound, also known as fluorene compound. The excerpt which I asked to be permitted to make is from Water and Sewage Work, a reputable trade journal with a scientific cast 98:3, March 1951, page 98. The name of the article is. Water Fluoridation at Charlotte, N. C. While April 1, 1949, was proclaimed as "Fluoridation Day" by the mayor ... one Charleston, S. C, newspaper [began] to editorialize on "Fluorinization" due to the fact that ...dozens of complaints had poured into the health and water departments daily concerning killing of goldfish, horrible taste, ruined photographer's films, stained laundry, and so forth. Cont.
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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 Excerpts: 215 FLUORIDATION OF WATER It is now well established by what has been said here and elsewhere that massive fluorine therapy, as comprised in the series of representations and overt acts called by the daft and willfully fraudulent title of "fluoridation of public water supplies," has nothing whatever to do with the practice of medicine or any of its specialists, either of the private practice variety or public-health blend, nor has it anything to do with any economical administration of totalitarian medicine, the last having been shown by the series of simple arithmetical examples given above and published elsewhere, and put in the hands of the committee, by Manning. When it was found that the acts, as based upon claims of right, comprising the astonishing title of fluoridation did not conform to any of the accepted medical practices then existing or to any of the minimum standards of law, while it did contain all the elements of assault and battery, it was clear the term required a formal definition. A definition was first evolved by Manning out of the facts of massive fluorine therapy as the practice was introduced by employees of USPHS : "Fluoridation means the experimental mass medication of total populations by the impregnation of entire water supplies of whole communities with metallic compounds of fluorine incapable of being assimilated as food, under conditions of duress, without cessation, or reasonable chance of escape." Continued in next post ...
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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 Excerpts: 215 FLUORIDATION OF WATER Continued ... "Fluoridation means the experimental mass medication of total populations by the impregnation of entire water supplies of whole communities with metallic compounds of fluorine incapable of being assimilated as food, under conditions of duress, without cessation, or reasonable chance of escape." When first published in the Springfield Union of March 16, 1951, the word "experimental" was intentionally omitted from the definition although it was clearly required on the facts to invite the officers of those professions most deeply involved in sanctioning and promoting the arbitrary selection of vast numbers of human beings for medical research and treatment with insidiously poisonous fluorine compounds to reconsider, and then repudiate and denounce their unwarranted aggression against the patients and family of the petitioner. " Continued in Next post ...

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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluoridation of Water: Hearings ... Eighty-third Congress, Second Session, on H.R. 2341, a Bill to Protect the Public Health from the Dangers of Fluoridation of Water, May 25, 26, and 27, 1954 Excerpts: 220 FLUORIDATION OF WATER "Claimants of right to carry out massive experimental fluorine therapy upon arbitrarily selected human subjects among American free men, having objected to the interposition of the principles of the 10 standards of the Nuernberg decision, by those free people, as a scurrilous sophistry, while at the same time claiming those standards as a principal defense of inmates confined in concentration camps in Nazi Germany (often as a posthumous defense, or rather a retaliation) and having found no resistance to publication of their comments in JADA, the Journal of the American Dental Association, will be compelled to compare the treatment dealt out to the subjects of fluorine experimentation with that written consent to perform an autopsy, or to carry out medical experiments on prisoners confined in jail, which experience has shown to be necessary.

If the protection granted by judges of the United States Government to political prisoners confined in' Germany's concentration camps is greater than the protection which we as American free men can obtain against unexplained and unconsented experiments, such as those carried out with wildest abandon, in the random and unnecessary and wholly uncontrolled fluorine experimental research and treatment, from our law, enforcement agencies, then we are forced to appeal to our next line of defense against oligarchic controls, the legislative branch of our Government " The publication from which my posts were excerpted - is editable on the web - downloadable & fully word searchable (in the pdf): Fluoridation of water. Hearings - A bill to protect the public health from the dangers of fluorination of water. May 25, 26, 27, 1954 www.archive.org/.../fluoridationofwa00unit

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RubySage
Joined On 5/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


bscheec7, you are on your own. You cannot trust any affiliatin. Seek out land in the west through auctions on county land tracts, or looking up owners (through county records in county courthouses) and making an offer for their raw land. Sometimes you can acquire tremendous possibilities! Once you have accomplished this, shore up your fortress (self sustaining residence, housing) and hope for the best. My best to you for being self accountable!!

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Maria Lt.
Joined On 3/2007

Posted On Nov 08, 2011


Wow, I wonder if other countries also poison their people through the water supply? If there are any reputable studies, it should be interesting. I know in NYC which brags about its high water standards and cleanliness, only about 1/3 of the students graduate from high school. This is often blamed on inferior schools & teachers, lack of money and shoddy family environment, but maybe they should blame the water, especially since many water mains are 100 years old with lead pipes. Also its important to test water at the end point (your faucet) instead of the source because during its travels to your faucet, the chemicals may react forming other compounds that you don't want in your water. For ex. I recently found out that chlorine reacts with humic(sp?)

acid often naturally in the water of acquirers to form chloroform which is a carcinogen.

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Waterdoctor
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Excellent, Maria. Most other countries have banned fluoridating their water supplies. This article is excellent, and your question about lead leads to the fact that when fluoridation pumps are shut down for repairs, lead levels decrease by as much as 73%, as noted in Thurmond, MD and in the state of Washington. Hydrofluorosilicic acid is extremely acidic, increasing the leaching of lead from old pipes.

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jamdenison
Joined On 11/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Good point on the dropout rate in inner city schools. Yet in Chicago, we export our water to all suburbs, including those that have schools top in the nation. Suburban dentists still think treating teeth with fluoride is okay despite the fact it is a toxin designed to lower mouth bacteria by killing all bacteria, which makes no sense whatsoever. Please sign my petition at www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-flouride-in-drinking-water-and-toothpas.. and show it to others and email it to your local elected officials to get fluoride out of drinking water and toothpaste.

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forbiddenhealing
Joined On 2/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Remember where you found this information and then look at what has been presented in the corporate media.
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Try try again


Joined On 8/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


This is incredible. I just wonder how they can get away with such a deception. We believe our government has our best interests at heart. I guess that's pretty laughable. I contacted the people involved with the water supply in my area and they assured me they DO NOT add fluoride to our drinking water. I guess I'll just have to believe them. That comment from Maria Lt. about only 1/3 of NYC students graduate from high school is very disconcerting.
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MuscleGuy
Joined On 10/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


"We believe our government has our best interests at heart." That's the basic belief that most of the sheeple have and why they don't question things like flouride. Let's get real here folks, the government does NOT have your best interests in mind when it comes to details like this (water safety, food safety, etc.). This is NOT the government's job per the Constitution. We would be much better off without any of these alphabet soup agencies. Litigation would be used to stop any private company polluting or selling something bad - as would have been the case with fluoride. Note - they had to think up something to avoid lawsuits. As another example, during Prohibition, mobs were making bootleg liquor out of industrial alcohol. Our friendly federal government, which has our best interests at heart, commanded that industrial alcohol be denatured - i.e. made poisonous to consume. As a result, people started to die after drinking hooch. By 1933, it's estimated around 10,000 people perished because of this government "program". The chief medical examiner of New York at the time called it "our national experiment in extermination". Food for thought.
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bebig10
Joined On 4/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


It all starts with a PROFIT MOTIVE and a little creative thinking. The public takes a long time to react to things and anyone that wants to promote something usually does it in the name of doing something for the "Greater Good" and health is a great target for doing that. Cavities became a huge problem in the 1930's because so called "Modern dentistry" was started in 1915 by Dr. Black. By the 1930's, dentists all over the country were noticing a huge increase in dental carries (cavities). No one could figure out why this was happening, so everyone was making attempts at figuring out why. Dr. Weston Price, DDS, was working on this problem. His son died of an abscessed tooth. He reasoned that primitive people's skeletons had perfect teeth when dug up in research projects. So he felt that they must have been doing something different. He traveled around the world studying primitive cultures that were not exposed to the "Modern man's diet." No, it wasn't fluoride that prevented cavities! It was their diet to the greatest extent. He took blood samples, photos, interviewed the elders, and recorded his findings in his books. He found most of the people had about 10 times the minerals in their bodies compared to people in America of his day. One book I read of his was very revealing. The book is "Nutrition and physical degeneration." He details many cultures and what he found. This type of research is far better than some "Scientific study" funded by who knows who with an agenda to promote. This is raw data collected in search of an answer. Using modern marketing techniques, a high profit motivation, and a dumbed-down public, it's easy to see how fluoridation took it's place and all in the name of "Science" that was just plain BAD SCIENCE all dressed up to look good to the untrained person.
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panotx
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


@Try try again.....do not take their word for it.....get it in writing....all water suppliers whether municipal or private have to test their water under state law...get the test results and see for yourself...
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unsheepled
Joined On 9/2009

Posted On Nov 13, 2011


It is all by design Charlotte Iserbyt a former Reagan era insider has written a free book called The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America www.deliberatedumbingdown.com , if you can fathom it... it started in the 1800's as a concerted effort. Books where written about it.. Skull & Bones members were clued in. Iserbyt' father was a high ranking member of S & B and she has his documents to back this up- and the drop out rates for most larger cities are even 40-50% . Fluoride usage WAS mandated by the Austrian leader of Germany in the 30's & 40's in the camps and pumped into the ghettos. One endgame for global government, people that are numb or dumb are easier to control and manipulate . And you should enjoy this quote as well: "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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garden18_203
Joined On 11/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


As usual , we are grateful to you Dr. Joseph Mercola , for keeping us informed with the latest cutting edge Truthful Scientific Reports. I find this " Historical deceptive information" sickening !! But I am grateful to learn it " SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING to FIX ", this ongoing Major problem, in North America. Each one of us has that power in our own community .. Please , no more just complaining .. Daily ACTION will get the Results we need for ourselves , our children and our granchildren !! First and formost READ EVERYTHING , ALL Ingredients !! I personally now AVOID all Fructose, all titanium dioxide and all FLORIDE !!.. Never mind what the "brainwashed Dentist says ". !

Its your Body protect it !! Folks , if you cannot pronounce the ingredient its POISON , Its TOXIC .. Do not BUY That product or Cosmetic .. Everything you put in your body , ON YOUR BODY ,or on your mucous membranes (Eg.. gums in your mouth ) gets absorbed FASTER , right into your bloodstream and your precious braincells .. How ignorant can we be ?? Every toothpaste tube has a Warning . " Do Not Swallow "..!! Vote with your money !! That is the only way BIG Business and BIG PHARMA understands.. Lack of profit will have them TAKE NOTICE !! STOP buying Floride toothpaste !! ( Colgate and other such companies ~~ will notice it in their bottom line .. Refuse To Buy ALL other Floride CRAP ( aka Industrial waste from China yet because the Chinese do not want to poison their people !!) That is why the Chinese are SMARTER than us in NORTH AMERICA !! ( now we know why !! ) Lets take seriously Dr. Mercola's APPEAL and suggestions about SUPPORTING the STOP floride Action groups , in some key cities across Canada and the USA... Speak to your friends and Family .. Together WE WILL GET THIS ISSUE FIXED !!
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OhioWineMaker
Joined On 8/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Many reverse osmosis manufacturers clearly state that they do not remove fluoride,I have personally checked that out. The following is a quote from a chemical engineer with years of research, see his quote at www.just-think-it.com/no-f.htm "An RO unit is great for removing "heavy metals" like Pb (Lead), Hg (Mercury) and Cd (Cadmium), as well as Cl- family compounds like PCBs and PCP's (Poly Chlorinated Phenyls and BiPhenyls) because these are all large molecules relative to the size of H2O. In fact, even Cl (the smallest of these) is relative large (molecular weight of 35 g/M) and so if the RO unit is new and it is well made (ie. with precision tolerances on the RO membrane) it might even filter out some of the Cl. Note the "ifs" and conditions in the last sentence. So, an RO unit will not filter out F atoms, as F atoms are too similar in size to H2O molecules."
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ANTICRIME
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


OWM, THANKS MUCH for the most informative link, my friend! ~ I have been using a "Water Wizard" faucet mounted reverse osmosis unit for the past 13 years thinking that I was avoiding fluoride! ~ Since I am fortunate enough to live on waterfront property directly on the river supplying our city's water supply I made the decision to invest in a "Katadyn Expedition" portable hand-operated water filtration system. ~ Albeit expensive, it cost me a little more than half my annual property taxes, and in the long run gives me peace of mind concerning never running out of 100% natural, "fluoride-free" drinking water! ~ Those of you who have natural water sources close by should Google: KATADYN EXPEDITION. (I found the BEST price of $978.73, which includes handling, UPS shipping and Insurance at "BigSupplyShop.com". ~ Since fluoride is added at the water dept processing facility THIS indeed will solve your fluoride problem!

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nuttier
Joined On 7/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


So everyone knows the truth, why are our legislators not up in arms over this? Their families are just as affected as are the citizens of the US. How can the people who perpetuate this deception, live with themselves??

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Waterdoctor
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Same way these elitists can promote over 30 plus vaccinations for children that cause death, autism and every conceivable health challenge by compromising the immune system. The Federal Government is now a group of criminals who hold their self interests above

the people. Vote all incumbents out. Get the now electable Ron Paul into office as the only Constitutional advocate with absolute consistency. What sounded insane years ago is now being revealed as absolute truth.

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kayasred
Joined On 1/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


AND THE SHEEP ARE ONCE AGAIN HERDED/ASSURED BY OUR FDA EVERYTHING IS HAS BEEN TESTED AND OK
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anereus1
Joined On 2/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


My husband's uncle was involved in the Manhattan Project. He died of cancer a few years ago and we always wondered if exposure to that stuff caused it.
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wgmiller
Joined On 7/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011

This is amazing and quite disturbing information. It reminds me of the pharmaceutical hoax. 57,000 drugs on the market and most Americans, and probably most Canadians, never realize that not one of them cures a disease. They still want a pharmaceutical medication for whatever ails them not realizing that these drugs only mask symptoms and provide no healing or lasting improvement. Taking medications and masking symptoms is like shutting off the fire alarm in a burning building as a means of putting the fire out. I ran into this when my mother had emphysema. Her medications cost more than $1200 per month and not one single medication or treatment stopped the progress of the disease or cured the disease. The doctors and the pharmaceutical industry claimed they slowed the progress of the disease yet when I asked why emphysema gets worse even when the patient quits smoking they told me they didn't know, it was a mystery. It they don't know why emphysema gets worse then how could they possibly have developed a drug that will effectively treat it? The answer, they can't! I found cancer research at the University of Nevada School of Medicine and used a diet very similar to the one they use for cancer patients along with a supplement that strips away the protective covering on pathogenic cells and another one that amplifies the immune response. I then found a book by Dr. Baroody detailing pH as a predominant factor in disease presence and another book by Dr. Pescatore, M.D. which outlined the same basic diet with some additional supplements that restore the immune system and intestinal flora. Research at Mayo Clinic helped with the elimination of severe headaches that would last an entire day or longer that were not alleviated with Tylenol, Advil or aspirin. My mother's doctor prescribed antibiotics. The Mayo Clinic research showed how antibiotics would "ensure the chronicity" of these infections. More info at: www.emphysema-treatments.com
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hiker_gal
Joined On 10/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Very good article. Thank you Very Much, Dr. Mercola.
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Bud_2203
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


OK, Joe. We get it. Fluoridation is bad. Since it's mandated by law and our unresponsive politweasels don't want to do anything about that(or much else), what do we do? I suppose local action would be easiest to carry out, but how do we do it. Maybe we could file suits against the local water companies and let the message trickle up to the criminals at the top. There's probably a few organizations that would be glad to take our monetary donations, what's their track record, and will they get the job done in my area. I'm hoping to move to a

rural area with a well soon, so my personal problem with Fluoride will be solved, but these criminals should pay for their crimes as many ways as we can think of.

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Waterdoctor
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Bud, we have to get the power back into the hands of the States, not the Feds. To do this we must vote ALL the incumbents out of office this primary season, both parties. Ron Paul would be the exception. Believe me, he would remove fluoride if at all possible.

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panotx
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


@Bud_2203, Where do you get the idea that it's mandated by law....it's done by local option....by duped inept/corrupt politicos who are drinking the CDC kool-aid....or by private water suppliers board of directors....lobby them, run for office yourself or find someone to support running against them who is opposed to fluoridation.....more and more cities are opting out daily....go to Fluoride Action Network or the links at the end of the article to get more ideas as to how to bring about change in your local area.... legal challenges can be costly....however, the largest supplier, Mosaic, recently changed their MSDS sheet on fluorosilicic acid to say that it had other undesireables (arsenic, lead, etc.) and was a toxic substance with potential negative health consequences....seems like they are transferring legal liability to the purchasers of the stuff....
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ChiefMoore
Joined On 4/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Lobby money to the representatives keep them from undoing the bills that support these criminal practices.

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island girl
Joined On 8/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Dr. Mercola, please give us links to your sources like you usually used to do. I rely on the sources (actual studies quoted) to back you up when I try to inform others. You make it easy to understand, but your word alone does not work with anyone who doesn't get your newsletter and a lot that do. Lots of interesting things in "story at a glance", but no test links to back it up. When I have to do your research again in order to have "facts", it doubles effort, takes too much of my time and sometimes I never find it, so I don't bother. Since most people have bought the fluoridation idea, including my dentist, convincing them takes a lot more than just an article from someone's newsletter. My dentist looked astounded when I showed relief upon learning that our water isn't fluroidated (he wanted to do a fluroide treatment because we don't have it in our water and "we need it"). If you'd given sources here, I'd email them to him and maybe change the opinion of his group of dentists, or at least instill doubt ... but your word alone won't carry the weight. Thank you very much.

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Waterdoctor
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


If Mercola's word doesn't carry weight, or at least cause a health practitioner to pause, find another dentist or health practitioner. Dr. Mercola is not perfect, however his site is the number one resource for accurate information as far as I am concerned. He is even getting the water issue right, which very few practitioners seem to get. Remember, the Ionizers do not remove fluoride.

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cassestes
Joined On 10/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


You will never get your dentist to believe that. Just tell them no thank you.

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emetaheret
Joined On 11/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I second that! Blind Believing is never a good practice. The claims in this article are so big that you have to back it up with good proof. I appreciate Dr. Marcola but resources are must on every article.

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Rod Hays
Joined On 4/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


You might try Jeff's website www.keepers-of-the-well.org/Introduction.html

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island girl
Joined On 8/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


To Waterdoctor above: All due respect but Dr Mercola has less than 2 million suscribers world wide and there are about 7 billion people in this world, so your statement sounds more like a bandwagon response than practical advice. I had an arrogant and unskilled IOAMT dentist who was a Mercola reader. But that simply made him informed - it did NOT make him a skilled dentist! My current dentist is very good, is fixing the damage the other dentist did, doesn't use amalgam anymore or push flurodation or anything I don't want - yet still purports to buy the ADA line. Do you think he'd pay attention to anyone's article with no study links to back up the claims? Both of my medical doctors, however, do read this site. One was not a Mercola reader until after I was his patient. Why do you advocate only staying with one of the 'informed few' ... instead of attempting to educate the 'uninformed many'? I'm sure Dr. Mercola appreciates your blind loyalty, but your lack of independent thinking is dangerous. I've been a suscriber for 4 yrs and a reader for over 10 yrs, so I am not attacking him. I asked for links to sources for my own (and perhaps others) use in spreading the information to non-Mercola readers. A video too long for me to watch is not such a source. If he gives reputable sources (studies), then those people might become his readers, too. If I'm too harsh here, my apologies. I quit smoking this week and I know I'm irritable. Rod - THANK YOU!!!

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ronaramma
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


to Island Girl, some people (maybe alot of people) don't want to know the truth. Really. It makes it to difficult for them. One little truth will cause them to have to rearrange all of their beliefs. It's just to much for their aluminum clogged brains.

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bschec7
Joined On 2/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Island Girl, there are many "biological" dentists. They have even formed their own association outside the demonic ADA. I went to one many years back, driven in part by mercury research Dr. M. has done. My life has improved since removing 13 amalgam (mercury) fillings that filthy, unthinking dentists placed in my 5 year old body. I even recall them talking my Mom out of gold fillings, as those would "not be as cool as silver." Fellow Mercolites, invest in your health, your family, valuable commodities, and learn how to shoot a gun. While it may have been relatively easy for the World Government sorts to knock off Europe, South America and large portions of Asia, America is not going down quite as easily.

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ronaramma
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Quote bschec7 "While it may have been relatively easy for the World Government sorts to knock off Europe, South America and large portions of Asia, America is not going down quite as easily." it seems to me that America already has already "gone down". Even though we have lots of guns. It might have more to do with awareness and the lack of it in most Americans, by design.
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bschec7
Joined On 2/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


You are correct, the bulk of America went down like a lead balloon. But, some of that pioneer spirit remains, and oh the resurgance we could have with 50 million clear thinking, heavily armed Americans. Problem is, we have subsidized the worst in our society, by placing a yoke over the necks of the best.

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ronaramma
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


To bschec7, 50 million clear thinking people, with or without guns, would have a positive effect on our country. P.S. sorry. I accidently gave you a thumbs down. I meant to hit a button. I guess I'm not too clear thinking this morning.

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ronaramma
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I would like to add that I have nothing against guns. If someone that I liked invited me over for target practice and a hunting trip to get food I'd be all for it. There was a time when I imagined how glorious it would be to do battle with evil people and destroy them with guns and bombs. And then it occured to me that the "bad" people that I would be killing are just good people who have been manipulated into believing that I'm a "bad guy" who needs to be destroyed.

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wingandaprayer
Joined On 5/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Thanks so much for continuing to keep us informed on this situation, Dr. M. Imagine how much money the industry has made on selling this stuff...and the effects fan out even farther than three metropolitan areas when you factor in the widespread manufacture of toothpaste with fluoride. Even more horrific when you think of the application of fluoride in the dentists' offices to young children's teeth (some even

go around to the schools). Ever since subscribing to your site and becoming informed, my husband and I immediately stopped brushing our teeth with fluoride toothpaste and switched over to a natural product. With all the rapidly increasing instances of neurological and mental problems, it's clear that we're doing things to poison our environment. Increase of autism, Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimers, cancer and other illnesses that were once the exception and not the norm. Thank you for making the public aware so that we can protect ourselves and our families. I've told everyone I can about the fluoride toothpaste thing.

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wingandaprayer
Joined On 5/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


We also have our own well and we even filter that...we live in a rural area on a hillside where there is little likelihood of poisons in our groundwater. But I wonder, for folks who tout that bottled water is so preferred, how many of them are guzzling fluoride and other contaminants (not to mention the plastic leeching into the product) in a drink they believe is so safe? Putting a picture of a spring on the bottle does not make it pure water! I wonder how many of these bottled water companies are situated in and around areas where the water supply is fluoridated?

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Maria Lt.
Joined On 3/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


For those of us who have gardens and fruit trees, does watering with tap water that may contain fluoride, and traces of drugs, chlorine, chloroform, plus acid rain, Fucoshima radiation etc. etc., can these substances get into the meat of the fruits and vegetables??? Plus, I highly doubt that any growers are using RO water for plant irrigation or for their farm animal drinking water?? Any horticultural people out there??

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Bammy.
Joined On 4/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I will not use fluoridated and chlorinated tap water on my crops. I use stored rain water, and only resort to RO water in a draught when I'm out of rain water.

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HealthyCyberGuy
Joined On 12/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


This is really a good article. I've been telling this same story for almost 40 years when I first heard about it in the father of health, Dr. Paul Bragg's, water book. However, this story goes much further in depth. Great article! The poor quality of our water supply is one of the main reasons I've been drinking distilled water for almost 40 years now.

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Autist
Joined On 1/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


The Occiput connection, and IG Farben and the sources to check adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/Health&Longevity/Fluoride-Why.htm Charles Perkins, a top U.S. industrial chemist, tells of a German plan for mass control: In the 1930s Hitler and the German *** envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by the Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population of whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in the women, and so on. In this

scheme of mass control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. In the rear occiput of the left lobe of the brain there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individuals power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individuals power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this [with all of the] earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically. (Source: Perkins, Charles, a letter reprinted in Contact, January 31, 1995.) Source: Piccard, George, Liquid Conspiracy, p. 47-48, Adventures Unlimited Press 1999.

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paphia
Joined On 4/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Autist's post refers to Charles Eliot Perkins who in 1952 authored a 44-page booklet "The truth about water fluoridation". The letter Autist quotes, which has been quoted and re-quoted endlessly over the years, was supposedly sent to an outfit called The Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research in 1954. I have yet to hear of anyone who claims to have seen the original. Perkins thought fluoridation was a communist plot, but he made no mention at all of any German connection in his book. That is strange if the letter was genuine. Moreover, two comprehensive accounts of IG Farben's activities before and during the second world war (Joseph Borkin: "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben" (Andre Deutsch 1979); Diarmuid Jeffreys: "Hells cartel, IG Farben and the making of Hitler's war machine" (Bloomsbury 2008) do not make a single reference to fluoride. The authenticity of the letter and the claims made in it are both highly suspect. Let's stick to the science.

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fatinamaui
Joined On 5/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


When our son turned 6 months old, our pediatricians (husband & wife team well respected local doctors) handed us a script for fluoride drops. I looked at it confused, and wondered what it was for, and she said that we should add it to our son's breastmilk. My jaw must have hit the floor, but when I could think straight enough to talk, I asked her if she knew it was a neurotoxin. She was offended and went on her soapbox about how our son's teeth would crumble out of his mouth if we didn't give it to him. That was in 2008. Can you believe

the insanity and shear ignorance of these so called doctors? Our son doesn't see conventional western doctors anymore. We use a homeopath and holistic doc, and are quite happy with this arrangement. I try to talk everyone I know out of going to these so called "well baby visits", as they are nothing more than about 6 or so vaccines injected into your little one at the same time. And then they send you home with flouride drops to put into your baby's milk (commercial GMO laced formula that was also pushed on you and sent home with you from the hospital and pediatricians office).

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ANTICRIME
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


It amazes me that someone like "Barack Hussein Obama" can get a NOBEL PRIZE for having done absolutely NOTHING positive to deserve it, when we have people like Dr. Mercola who work tirelessly to promote the good health and well-being of the American people at large!

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One_Angel
Joined On 2/2011

Posted On Nov 13, 2011


Wow! I had not heard this. This really is offensive!

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Green Tea

Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 14, 2011


www.nobelprize.org/.../nomination

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angel7777gto
Joined On 10/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Dear Dr. Mercola, I believe in you with all my heart and soul but wonder why you discontinued your water filtration system eliminating fluoride? Yes, I am curious. I am not angry with you and am not trying to prove any point. We all make mistakes. What happened?

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Waterdoctor
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


To Dr. Mercola's credit, he has enormous integrity. His filters reduced fluoride, however not significantly enough to meet his standards. To address the additional metals found in the drinking water, and the drugs now in the water, he promotes reverse osmosis. Reverse osmosis is the only reliable and practical way to remove fluoride, other than distillation. Find catalysts or revitalizing technologies to bring life back to the water, even after purified, to allow maximum hydration and health support. Mercola is the man!!!

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jamdenison

Joined On 11/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I am glad to hear that he won't sell something that is beneath his standards or won't work as advertised. I admire that. I just wonder whose filtration system works the best because I really want to get one and now I have a bit of money for it.

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bebig10
Joined On 4/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


There are only 3 ways to remove fluoride from water and one of the is reverse osmosis and the other two are distillation and bone char. The bone char method requires a several stage set up to get most of the fluoride out. Distillation removes fluoride & chlorine very efficiently, but I use a second stage carbon filter I made from granulated charcoal I bought from the store that sells fish tank supplies. The distiller was $99 on line and works incredibly well. I fill the distiller with water that I run through the shower filter that removes chlorine, etc. so I start with reasonably pure water. For the best water you can drink I recommend the following to all my patients: Acidic water brings Hydrogen Ions into the body that the body needs. Water that is alkaline brings in hydroxides. Alkaline water begins to oxidize the body. In the short run, people feel better drinking alkaline water, but the long run it is not good. Japanese research has made this very clear. You have to protect your water supply and the only way is you be in charge of it. Distilled water gets out all the pesticides, herbicides, and nasty chemicals in water. It's good to put the water through carbon filters, as I do to get rid of any possible gases that may have come across the distillation process. You also get out all the frequencies in water that are beneficial and that's not a good thing. So you need to upgrade the distilled water you just made. You can upgrade the distilled water by putting a pinch of pink sea salt per gallon, that brings the water to about 50 parts per million, then you put minerals in it that you choose, and then you need to structure the water with crystal energy. Then you vortex the water. You can do this with a wooden spoon. Now you bless the water and let it sit out in the moon light over night. Sunlight disorganizes water, but moonlight organizes it. You take the water inside in the morning and you have high energy water.

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bebig10

Joined On 4/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


It may seem ridiculous to "Bless the water," but there is real research that has been done by Masaru Emoto who was born in Yokohama, Japan in July 1943 and a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University's department of humanities and sciences with a focus on International Relations. In 1986 he established the IHM Corporation in Tokyo. In October of 1992 he received certification from the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. Subsequently he was introduced to the concept of micro cluster water in the US and Magnetic Resonance Analysis technology. He undertook extensive research of water around the planet not so much as a scientific researcher, but more from the perspective of an original thinker. He realized that it was in the frozen crystal form that water showed us its true nature. He has gained worldwide acclaim through his groundbreaking research and discovery that water is deeply connected to our individual and collective consciousness. He is the author of the best-selling books Messages from Water, The Hidden Messages in Water, and The True Power of Water. Distilled water exposed to classical music took delicate, symmetrical crystalline shapes. When the words "thank you" were taped to a bottle of distilled water, the frozen crystals had a similar shape to the crystals formed by water that had been exposed to Bach's "Goldberg Variations"- music composed out of gratitude to the man it was named for. When water samples were bombarded with heavy metal music or labeled with negative words, or when negative thoughts and emotions were focused intentionally upon them, such as "Adolf Hitler", the water did not form crystals at all and displayed chaotic, fragmented structures. When water was treated with aromatic floral oils, the water crystals tended to mimic the shape of the original flower.

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bebig10
Joined On 4/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Sometimes, when we cannot see the immediate results of our affirmations and or prayers, we think we have failed. But, as we learn through Masaru Emoto's photographs, that thought of failure itself becomes represented in the physical objects that surround us. Now that we have seen this, perhaps we can begin to realize that even when immediate results are invisible to the unaided human eye, they are still there. When we love our own bodies, they respond. When we send our love to the Earth, she responds. For our own bodies at birth are more than 60 percent water, and the percentage of water in our bodies remains high throughout life (depending upon weight and body type). The earth's surface is more than 60 percent water as well. And now we have seen before our eyes that water is far from inanimate, but is actually alive and responsive to our every thought and emotion. Perhaps, having seen this, we can begin to really understand the awesome power that we possess, through choosing our thoughts and intentions, to heal ourselves and the earth. Sometimes we get caught up in the "Scientific studies syndrome" & forget there is more to healing than removing body parts, treating symptoms with drugs, etc. Our bodies are truly a magnificent design & all this corruption of our water supply has definitely affected us in more ways than chemical destruction. The reality is that there are a lot of "C and D and in some cases F students" out there running things. So in order to protect ourselves in this lunacy, we have to become educated and just fight back by taking things like our water supply into our own hands. Just knowing that you are putting PURE WATER of the highest standard in your body can help you mentally to be focused on making things better and to feel better about yourself.

I personally do not believe all this Alkaline water machines and alkaline water is the best way to go. You can have CHEAP WATER that is highly nutritious & powerful if you do it yourself.

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BsotedOgre
Joined On 5/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Bebig10: As silly as some of this sounds in the light of what passes for "scientific knowledge", I would like to point out that it seems that the world and possibly the universe is constructed on the basis of fractals. Your cell phone only works because the antennae is designed according to fractal math so that it will receive and transmit efficiently the myriad of frequencies necessary for it to function. Some experiments have demonstrated that if a single tree is analyzed using fractal technology it will define the entire forest. There are many other examples. Bottom line is that nature found a system that works and uses it almost everywhere. There is no real reason these things should NOT work.

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bebig10
Joined On 4/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


@ BsotedOgre: Yes, fractal geometry is a wonderful study and I agree with you that it is things like that, that makes a person stop and take a second look at what a creation we have. Everything is connected in many ways. I do not believe for one second that it was created in a random fashion, but is a magnificent design of perfection that man has managed to destroy on many levels. I remember taking a watch apart to figure out how it worked as a child and for the life of me could not put it back together again. I realized the designer had to figure out not only how to put it together, but how to make it work and design it to look good as well and to make it out of parts that would not break down.

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badboy2
Joined On 11/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Now we know, and the FDA, EPA, and every other alphabet soup agency knows. They know we know and we know, they know-we know. Everybody knows. Now it is time for everybody to do something about it, by contacting our government officials and demand that this garbage be taken out of our water ways and drinking water. Also talk to everyone we know and meet. Now we are buying fetilizer waste from China to put into our drinking water. This is going beyond insane. What ever happen to the US constitution, in protecting the people of this country? Is this going to be the legacy for our children?

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Waterdoctor
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


This article points out why we must vote ALL incumbents out of office in Washington, DC, and put in only those who will support our Constitution. You cannot rely on Communists, Socialists and Marxists to protect you. It would appear even our "Conservatives" subscribe to the policies formerly attributed to the forenamed groups. Vote them out is a great start to stop the imposition of a deadly drug being introduced to over 60% of our drinking water.

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ronaramma
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Water Doctor said "You cannot rely on Communists, Socialists and Marxists to protect you."

It seems that we cannot rely on capitalists either.

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unwitting_labrat
Joined On 2/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I had a good friend who used to be a research scientist for a large chemical company. About once a year his family made its own soap because of what he had learned in his laboratory. Draw your own conclusions.

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mcgeehee
Joined On 5/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


This reaffirms what my wife always says, "Humans are the worst animals on earth."

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ronaramma
Joined On 12/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


...and the best

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ANTICRIME
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Mcgeehee, There are good humans and bad humans just like there are gentle deer and poisonous vipers, my friend! ~ There are humans that build and promote the well-being of the human race and there are those Hell-bent on destroying the human race; it all depends on who they allow to influence them...God or Satan!

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wirelessdan
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Best investment I've made in last 10 years...Air to water machine. Uses small amount of electricity to run a compressor much like a air conditioner. Freezing coils and defrosting them. Then the water produced is pumped through 4 separate filters to remove all sentiment and contaminents. Final product is water with a tds of 3-7. Much like distilled. Fairly nuetral ph(6-7). And most important does not come from any public supply. Worth checking out.

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essexstreet
Joined On 4/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I made a post earlier which disappeared. It concerned the use of sodium EDTA as an antidote for heavy metals. I take it nightly for a clogged artery. Comments from anyone?

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jamdenison
Joined On 11/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


You might try high dose vitamin C for that clogged artery too. If you read the book "the Real Story about Vitamin C" there is a whole chapter in there on how clogged arteries filled with plaque actually contain a viral infection. Build up your vitamin C levels and the clogs and plaque go away. Other people have had success and avoided bypass operations with food grade hydrogen peroxide. It probably works the same way, killing the viruses that keep the plaque going. Start with 7 drops per gallon of distilled water and work up one drop per day until you get relief. One guy reported working up to 60 drops per day for a few days avoided his bypass. Permanently. Good luck. If clogged arteries are actually a result of a viral infection, there are probably a lot of ways to cure that and not only one so you do have some options. Vitamin C seems the cheapest and safest to me. You will need to get the LypoSpheric brand to get your levels up. Available on ebay and on Amazon. You do want to take care of this because you are at risk for stroke and heart attack. Those occur because the plaque bits build up and break off eventually when there is a lot of plaque. The plaque is natures way of healing a damaged artery. Probably it was damaged by toxins and chemicals in your food and the environment. Try eating organic and filtering your water.

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Washago
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


EDTA is the basis of Detoxamin. It works.

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BsotedOgre
Joined On 5/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Fluorine really likes Calcium which is why filtering using bone char is an excellent idea. Calcium gluconate MUST be on hand in any facility that uses HF for instance, and it has saved many lives. (a single drop of HF can kill you) Fluorides can really mess up your bones.

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Washago
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Essexstreet: Thanks for your vote of 'confidence'. I know what you mean about the voting system on this site. It's fudged in favour of Mercola's comments. I travel, I read and inform myself from a very wide range of resources, not just Dr. Mercola's. I don't dismiss the effects of any chemical in our water, air or food, fluoride included . But mercury is in the very air we breathe because mercury is used in the ignition process in coal-fired generating stations, of which there are still thousands in operation. I speak from the point of view of a non-American. I'm Canadian (and no, I don't say 'abooot' - have never heard a Canadian who says that; I think that's an American legend), am of a 'certain age,' and still have all my teeth, and am in optimal health. Yes, I know: there are no guarantees, but my doctor tells me I have the body of a thirty-year-old. I also know that dental health is an indicator of overall health, and can be enhanced by taking supplements such as CO-Q10, which I've been taking for 10+ years. I happened to mention that to my dentist and he agreed: this helps gums and prevents disease. We've had fluoride in our drinking water for at least 50 years here. Some people are advocating to get rid of it. Maybe it is harmful, but heavy metals can be eliminated, and this should be pointed out to us by the medical profession, if they were doing their job properly. And our politicians are silent on the issue. More dishonesty. However, I have to wonder why I see and hear of so many people living into their 90's where I live. The drinking water is obviously agreeing with them... And let the Brits take a lesson. Read Dr. Jane HIghtower's book: Diagnosis: Mercury: Money, Politics and Poison. And take steps to eliminate your own heavy metals by using Detoxamin: www.detoxamin.com . That's my point. And you will be the winner.

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Ginnesee
Joined On 10/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011

You will want to look into NEEM oil as well then. It is an all natural, powerful antiviral, antibacterial, anitfungal and an enamilizer. Lots of natural toothpaste include it but in reality, you only need brush your teeth with the neem oil itself. The best upside; the freshest mouth, breath you ever had :-) www.discoverneem.com/neem-gum-disease.

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essexstreet
Joined On 4/2009

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Lead poisoning and still no talk about sodium edta!!

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versatile
Joined On 10/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


hmm.. very interesting... Maybe we should start a fight to PUT FLUORIDE in the drinking water. eg. real, natural fluoride, the fluoride that was actually studied. Maybe then some of the facts would be visible to the public and the authorities. It might not be healthful, but it sounds like it would be a lot safer than what we have got today. It seems like we need different names for naturally occurring fluoride and 'toxic fluoride'. Eg. What if we insisted that only 'organic fluoride' be allowed, or perhaps the phrase used in this post, 'pharmaceutical grade fluoride', or maybe both, 'pharmaceutical grade organic fluoride. Yours in health, tracy personalhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/.../subject-index.html

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driedl7
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


How/Where can we sign up in cities surround Chicago, IL?!

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SilverFox3
Joined On 5/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Regarding the proposals to stop fluoridation, I have a question. What is to be done with the fluoride compounds? Are they to be stored somewhere? Dumped somewhere? What is being suggested?

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driedl7
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Is there anything to join/sign in protest, in cities surround Chicago, IL?!

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My7kds!
Joined On 12/2008

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


This is an EXCELLENT article!! Very well written.

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Washago
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Antont: Thank you very much for your very well-informed responses. You are blessed with critical thinking. I do read French, Spanish and Russian, and have travelled extensively in those societies. I agree 100% that keeping people alive on medications and in nursing homes does not contribute to quality of life. However, people can live much longer if they take the time to inform themselves from a wide variety of sources. Supplements (CO Q10, hyaluronic acid, beta sitosterol, resveratrol, astaxanthin...) all help, as does a good detox. Very few in the medical profession anywhere are recommending these. Yes, Dr. Mercola does, I know that, but the solutions to which he pointed do not bring about immediate solutions. Having yourself tested and doing a good detox lead to postitive solutions. That's all. These are things we can all do to be responsible for our own health, especially at a time when our hospitals are overburdened and costs are increasing. No one in Canada I know, including me, has free or universal dental care. I see my dentist once or twice a year. I also take my car in to have it checked a few times a year. What's more important? Maintain your car, house, body... same idea. Here, though, we also see a fair number leaving big cities to settle in rural areas, and in rural areas, because people need a car and don't exercise, obesity rates are also rising. The point is: have yourself tested, get rid of the toxins in you. It can be done, and you'll be the winner. And read Dr. Jane Hightower's book. Apparently, contamination from heavy metals is much higher in Japan.

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Washago
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Right, Ronarama, that must be the reason. Sorry we didn't think of that.

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One_Angel
Joined On 2/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


If flouride is the perfect solution to preventing cavities and promoting dental health, then why are there still cavities and dentists are filling teeth with mercury? No one notice the elephant that's in the room.

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drnoa
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Stop taking this toxic substance. Try health for great dental health. Drinking More Sugared Carbonated Drinks May Significantly Increase Risk of Dental Erosion Diet and dental erosion in young people in the south-east Brazil," Waterhouse PJ, Auad SM, et al, Int J Paediatr Dent, 2008 April 28.

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interestedone
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


theres an interesting looking book too (ive not read it) called "fluoride the aging factor"

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joytocreate
Joined On 9/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


I was aware that fluoride wasn't good for you about 35 years ago but it's true that most people still think it is. :(

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jpettyhill
Joined On 5/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


NOTHING should be added to our water. MORE BIG GOVERNMENT butting their noses into our lives and they have no idea what they are doing...

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jemoxon
Joined On 2/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Calgary as already stopped this practice

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BigJoe_5216
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Autist, In a series of posts, I provided information about Germany's concentration camps & the N A Z I S. It is found in a U.S. Government publication. Why that N word is banned - I do not know, but it reads on this blog as little stars **** ??? "If the protection granted by judges of the United States Government to political prisoners confined in Germany's concentration camps is greater than the protection which we as American free men can obtain against unexplained and unconsented experiments, such as those carried out with wildest abandon, in the random and unnecessary and wholly uncontrolled fluorine experimental research and treatment, from our law, enforcement agencies, then we are forced to appeal to our next line of defense against oligarchic controls, the legislative branch of our Government. " The publication from which my posts were excerpted - is editable on the web - downloadable & fully word searchable (in the pdf): Fluoridation of water. Hearings before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, House of Representatives, Eighty-third Congress, second session, on H. R. 2341. A bill to protect the public health from the dangers of fluorination of water. May 25, 26, 27, 1954 www.archive.org/.../fluoridationofwa00unit

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beauley1

Joined On 12/2007

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


A very good and well composed document. Why We Must Eat at Least Five Vegetables and Fruit a Day For many years in the U.S. it was highly suggested by the heads of nutrition that to meet our nutritional levels on a daily basis we should eat at least five fruits and vegetables. www.associatedcontent.com/article/8140477/why_we_must_eat_at_least_fiv..

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HealthyLoonatic
Joined On 8/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


FLUORIDE TO GO is a Trademark of the COca Cola Company!!! How is it that a member of the eugenisist illuminati nwo satanist criminals who actually caused the fluoridation in order to cull humans in the first place how come these now are pulling the wagon of fluoride to go?

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donmcgrae
Joined On 9/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Interesting reading! Now, I live high up (7500ft asl) in the Andean mountains of Ecuador in a little town of about 10,000 people called COTACACHI. Our water comes directly from the hills around us and is crystal clear and perfectly safe to drink. That said, we also have a system here( for those who want it) where OZONE is introduced into the drinking waterwhich I consider to be the best thing ever for natural health, that and the abundance of organic food which Ecuador is famous for. the USA could do well by taking a leaf out of our book and change the health scenario overnight. I have lost 30 lbs since moving here ten months ago and have never felt better in my whole life

and recently turned 70 yrs of age so that is really saying something isn't it! Don

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BearskinCap
Joined On 7/2007

Posted On Nov 13, 2011


Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that it is essential to eliminate Flouride contamination from the water of the planet, there needs to be a parallel consideration to consider what is done with the flouride poison if it is not dispersed into the water grid. It is already known that it is a difficult material to deal with. What is to be done with it? I agree with the anti flouride lobby but it would help if those more clever than I produced the alternative disposal technique as an intrinsic element of the campaign.

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soandso
Joined On 11/2011

Posted On Nov 13, 2011


One real life example: A friend of mine, a Dentist with PhD, decided to start taking fluoride pills when she found out that she was pregnant, more than 12 years ago. The idea was that her baby will have good teeth. No one will ever know why, but before her baby's first birthday, the baby was diagnosed with fast growing cancer in the spine. She had two operations, each one removing only part of the cancer followed by several rounds of chemo and radiation. Luckily, her baby survived and she is now cancer-free. She never touched fluoride pills again.

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madmartha
Joined On 3/2011

Posted On Nov 13, 2011


As a proud Tennessean, I feel constrained to point out that the municipalities of Hohenwald, Lawrenceburg, and Spring Hill have already eliminated fluoridation and as a proud rural Tennessean, I have to admit to being a little fed up at the emphasis that is constantly placed on big urban entities, as if being bigger makes their citizens somehow more important. What I would say is, work where you are, and one approach is to mention that eliminating fluoridation would save money. This should of course not be the only argument, but the financial issue will certainly not be ignored.

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Washago
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Dear, Gentle, Garden 18 I seem to have struck a nerve with you - one that perhaps needs a root canal. Your is typical of an American who thinks s/he is the sole country in North America. You see, I don't. I'm not American. Surprise! Do your own homework, starting with geography, perhaps, and find out about other countries around you. I know the "facts" for having lived through a high level of heavy metals. You missed the point, but I'm not surprised, given where you come from. Ask your doctor to give you a heavy metals test, and then take steps to do something about it. Go to Russia. Live there, like I have, about 10 times. Visit England, and you'll see what I mean about absolutely poor dental hygiene, poor overall health. Open your eyes, mind, and you'll soon find out that you're not the centre of the universe. And please have a nice day, well, life, but only after you've checked yourself out for heavy metals. No matter where your country stands on some UN list. That's not the point. Add to reading list: Dr. Jane Hightower's book - Diagnosis: Mercury, Money, Politics and Poison.

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Washago
Joined On 10/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


This article leaves me a bit confused on at least two levels. Number one: Dr. Mercola points out a problem, without really providing a solution. We all have a certain amount of heavy metals in us. Traditional thinking in the medical profession says we can't get rid of it. Not so. A product called Detoxamin (no, I don't get a commission, but I've successfully used it) will reduce your heavy metals levels to practically zero. Ask your doctor to give you a heavy metals test. That would be step one. Find out for yourself if you have these contaminants, then take steps to eliminate them. Number two: If fluoride is such a problem, why are longevity rates going up in general in North America? I don't understand. Why is North American dental health far ahead of that in Great Britain or Russia, or other countries that do not use fluoride. Dental health is a clear indicator of overall health. If you've ever visited England, you'll know what I mean and, overall, people in North America are far healthier than their British counterparts. No, I'm not a dentist. A comparitive health study between societies using fluoride and those not using the chemical would have to be done to make this claim conclusive. As always, I strongly feel that simply pointing out a problem without providing a solution is not even half of the issue. That's far too easy. Time to do more homework, Dr. Mercola.

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garden18_203
Joined On 11/2006

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Good Saturday morning Washago, Your facts are ALL WRONG .. You should check out the online many FACTS .. For one , sorry I do not have it in front of me right now , Washago , BUT The USA is down at the BOTTOM ,of a UN List of Healthy nations..( out of about 50 countries in the world ).. The United States of America has, The most Expensive Medical Care COSTS , in the world but it also has the POOREST results.. Check it out for yourself. Time to do your OWN Homework , Sir !! This is the 21st Century.. Also may I so humbly suggest , RE-READ that article .. You obviously did not read it too well.. There are tons of suggestions , you seem to have missed READING .. Have a great day !!

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DonnellaFradkin
Joined On 10/2011

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


Dr. Mercola, Although I have relied on your sites info for years now, I have to call your attention to your articl titles posted in your emails is reflecting nothing less than "Sensationalism". While the articles may be contain vital truth I can not rely on the source that uses "Sensationalism" in it's headlines. I am now refering to this article title "Lead Poisoning Alert: This Widely Used Drink is Dangerous". This is refering to water being floridated. As you catagorize it as a "Drink" it is not acceptable to my palet as a reflection of truth. Please be forwarned you are treading on a very thin line with your attention getters. Sincerely, Donnella Fradkin, SHerman Oaks, CA

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ANTICRIME
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Nov 12, 2011


DF, HEADLINES are designed to get people's attention to read the article; have you read any newspapers lately?! ~ If you are going to criticize the good doctor, AT LEAST provide an "example" of what title YOU would have used that would have the same attention grabbing impact, my friend!

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Rose Marie Waldram


Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Jan 19, 2009


Medically Double-blind-tested and found thereby to be "toxic/allergic to fluorine-bearing compounds (fluorides)," myself and another family member avoid like the plague the man-made product, Aspartame, and anything containing it. Through diligent document research years ago, we've learned various forms of fluorides have been used by the military/industrial complex since Roosevelt's time to create exotic chemical and biological products only the least of which, in a "trickledown" progression using genetically-modified organisms (GMOs) over decades has devolved into the synthecizing of a sweet-tasking amino acid (artificial phenylalanine) using a fluoride. This is what created the "PKU" babies of the Sixties (a decade after the USPHS was conned into endorsing and promoting water fluoridation) ---individuals who are toxic/allergic to this fluoride-created, man-made, amino acid, phenylalanine, are called "phenylkentanurics" (sp?). In the normal body, phenylalanine converts into tyrosine, vital to the thyroid hormone. All fluorides are poisonous; some just less so than others. Fluorides are enzyme poisons, capable of causing cancer---a very lucrative disease which is easily avoided or "controlled" by an optimal, enzyme and oxygen-rich diet (of raw foods, that is). Over 80 some years ago a Scottish clinician/researcher, a Dr. Beard, was the first to realize cancer is a man-made chronic degenerative disease resulting from a poor diet of processed food (remember, cooking is a process so, eat those cruciferous veges. raw to get the most from them).

Source: Aspartame, Brain Cancer and the FDA www.mercola.com

VictoriaInnessBrown
Joined On 4/2011

Posted On Apr 09, 2011


Katee, I provided well water for my rats, which may be one reason that my controls developed fewer tumors and adverse effects of those from other experiments, as mentioned by a blogger when preliminary results of my experiment were released on an unauthorized website. According to a water quality expert from San Diego State University, there are thousands of chemicals in our water supply that are xenoestrogens, and are therefore carcinogenic. I imagine that any pet owner giving their pets city water that includes those chemicals, along with fluoride (which has recently been added to our San Diego city water) may observe the tumors in their pets. I wrote about that these issues in my book as well. You probably know that fluoride has also been found to be carcinogenic. By the way, you probably know that well water can be contaminated. A neighbor who shares the same underground aquifer has had his water tested. No toxins were identified in it. There is no agriculture close by, so I believe that the test results are probably accurate. There is one concern, however. A friend who lives perhaps 5-10 miles away as the crow flies was found to have high levels of uranium in his body. On testing his well, high levels of uranium were found in the water, that were said to be due to the deepness of the well that was drilled into granite that contains trace amounts of uranium that leeches into the water. I do not believe that our aquifer was tested for that element and would like to have that test performed. If uranium is present, however, I would expect that my control group would also have had large quantities of tumors, and it didn't.

Source: Victoria Innes Brown Experiment with Aspartame www.mercola.com

winsmith
Joined On 3/2008

Posted On Apr 09, 2011


Most important is WHY we are being poisoned with alum, alloxan, aspartame, bromine, canola, chlorine, fluoride, MSG, nitrites, nutrasweet, subsidized milk, sugar, tobacco and more that we know nothing about. "We must eliminate 350,000 people a day,--Jacques Costeau in UNESCO Courier. You know that thieves lie and kill to prevent detection and punishment. You know that counterfeiters are thieves. Nobel Laureate, Paul Samuelson said the Federal Reserve is an "omnipotent counterfeiter."--Economics, 4th Edition. The Federal Reserve said their system of plunder works "only with credit" that would keep uits value "if there were fewer people bidding against each other." SEE why they told their Supreme court to legalize abortion and we have endless wars THAT REQUIRE NO TAXES? Taxes cannot be paid with credit! Our Marxist misleaders have no need for money when all of us will risk our lives and die for weightless credit that exists only in the minds but our use of credit must be ruthlessly regulated lest consumption exceeds pro-duction and their system collapses as their worthless "money" becomes useless "money". John Maynard Keynes wrote in 1920: "If governments should refrain from regulation.....the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud upon the public can be concealed no longer."--The Economic Consequences The Peace (1920) "There are many ways to make the death rate increase."--Former Secretary of Defense. Robert McMamara in New Solidarity March 30,1981 For better understanding, see: www.morpix.biz/x4 Source: Victoria Innes Brown Experiment with Aspartame www.mercola.com

Tap Water Danger in Every Glass


Plain old tap water: It's easy. It's convenient and it comes right out of your kitchen faucet. However, as I'm sure you've heard, most tap water is contaminated with a host of pollutants that increase your risk of serious health problems. Let's take a look at some of these contaminants and how they can adversely affect the health of you and your family. Arsenic As I've been stating in my articles about water since 2001, the level of arsenic in US tap water is incredibly high. This poisonous element is a powerful carcinogenic, which has been

linked to an increased risk of the development of several types of cancer. In 2001 the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) lowered the maximum level of arsenic permitted in drinking water from 50 ug/L to 10 ug/L due to the established cancer risk. The Natural Resources Defense Council estimates as many as 56 million Americans living in 25 states drink water with arsenic at unsafe levels. For more information, see the USGS website, which offers maps showing where and to what extent arsenic occurs in ground water across the United States. Aluminum You may have heard how aluminum increases your risk for Alzheimer's disease, but did you also know that the aluminum found in your municipal water supply can cause a wide variety of other health problems? Aluminum has been linked to:

Hyperactvity Learning disabilities in children Gastrointestinal disease Skin problems Parkinson's disease Liver disease

Fluoride If you still believe fluoride in your drinking water prevents cavities and helps build strong teeth, you've fallen for a cleverly devised mass-deception.. As this recent study done on children in India shows, fluoride is anything but a cavity fighter. Fluoride is a well-known toxin that actually leads to an increased risk of cavities and can cause a wide range of health problems, including weakening your immune system and accelerating aging due to cellular damage. Prescription and OTC Drugs You may have been told that if you dispose of your unwanted or expired prescription and over-the-counter (OTC) drugs in the trash instead of the toilet that you do not run any risk of it ending up in the water supply. Unfortunately, this is not the case. As I mentioned in this previous article, water that drains through landfills, known as leach rate, eventually ends up in rivers. Although not all states source drinking water from rivers, many do. According to studies, human cells do not grow normally when exposed to even minute amounts of prescription or over-the-counter drugs. Some drugs that were never meant to be combined are mixed together in the drinking water you consume every day. Millions of people have drug allergies. Are you among them? If so, how do you know the strange symptoms you've been experiencing are not due to ingesting small doses of the drugs you're allergic to from the water? Pregnant women should be especially wary. The toxic substances you take into your body from tap water will have a negative effect on the development of your unborn child.

Disinfection Byproducts (DBPs) Most tap community water supplies are treated with chlorine and although it may not be the healthiest element you can consume, it is far better for you than what is left behind. In my video, "Tap Water Toxins is Your Water Trying to Kill You?", I interview water filtration pioneer Robert Slovak about the dangers of disinfection byproducts. Disinfection byproducts are the result of disinfecting water with chlorine. It is important to note that while consuming chlorine is certainly not healthy, DBPs are TEN THOUSAND TIMES more dangerous! In addition to being a powerful carcinogenic, DPBs have also been linked to liver, kidney and nervous system problems.
Dr. Joseph Mercola How Drinking More Spring or Distilled Water Improve Every Facet of your Life www.mercola.com

So, Bottled Water is the Way to Go, Right?


If you're thinking you're safe from all of the harmful contaminants I listed above because you drink bottled water instead of tap water, I'm afraid I must be the bearer of some bad news: 40 percent of bottled water is bottled TAP WATER! Yes, you read correctly. As I stated in my article about the deceptions of bottled water, 40 percent of bottled water is just bottled tap water, which may or may not have received additional filtration. Remember the arsenic and DPBs you were trying to avoid from tap water? Well, an independent test done by the Environmental Working Group found these and 36 other harmful pollutants hidden in bottled water. Also, drinking from plastic bottles is not a good idea. Plastic bottles contain a chemical called bisphenol A or BPA, which is a synthetic hormone disruptor that has been linked to serious health problems such as:

Learning and behavioral problems Altered immune system function Prostate and breast cancer Risk of obesity Early puberty in both genders

Aside from the health risks, the devastating impact bottled water has had on our ecosystem is staggering! Distilled Water Use with Caution Some health conscious people have been misled into believing that distilled water is healthy for them. As I've stated before, this is simply not true.

The problem with distilled water is that it is boiled and evaporated away from its dissolved minerals. The water then becomes tacidic and seeks to balance itself by drawing minerals right out of your body It will also draw out contaminants from the container it's stored in for this same reason. What's worse, any contaminant in the water that vaporizes at a lower temperature than the water, such as volatile organic compounds, like disinfection byproducts that are thousands of times as toxic as chlorine, will be condensed and actually concentrated in the finished distilled water. So what you end up with is water that contains even more dangerous contaminants than what you started with! I only recommend using distilled water for a short period of time and only for the purpose of detoxification, as this water can help pull toxins from your body. Drinking it long-term, however, will most likely invite health problems. Alkaline Water In my interview with water filtration expert, Houston Tomasz, I asked for his thoughts on the growing use of alkaline water. There are several potential problems with alkaline water. First of all, most water ionizers and alkalizers are marketed by multi-level marketing (MLM) companies with questionable ethics. Some people experience an initial "high" when they start drinking alkaline water. This can easily be attributed to detoxification, and the fact that they are likely just becoming better hydrated. Detoxification is about the only benefit of alkaline water, and this benefit is limited to very SHORT TERM USE (no more than a week or two). An additional concern is that many individuals have stomach dysfunctions like GERD or ulcers that are largely related to having too little stomach acid. Long-term use of alkaline or ionized water can interfere with your body's natural digestive process by reducing the acid needed to properly break down and absorb food. This could then lead to an upset of your body's good bacteria, which can then open the door to parasitic infection, ulcers and malabsorption. For more information, please review my special report on this topic. "Vitamin" Waters Do NOT Be Fooled! If you've recently switched from soda to vitamin water because you believed it to be a healthier choice, you may be disappointed by what I have to say about them: Vitamin waters are nothing more than a clever marketing scheme designed to promote a product that is just as unhealthy as soda! Vitamin waters contain dangerous high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), artificial colors, additives, preservatives and caffeine. What's even worse is these manufacturers use distilled water to make their products, which, as you've read above, is one of the worst types of water you can put into your body! Now that you know which types of water to avoid, let's take a look at the water you should be drinking for optimal health!

Filtered Tap Water Getting to the Gold The most economical and environmentally sound choice you and your family can make is to purchase and install a water filter for your home. I recommend three different types of water filters and weigh the pros and cons of each. Let's take a brief look below. Reverse Osmosis Filter In addition to removing chlorine, inorganic, and organic contaminants in your water, an RO filter will also remove about 80 percent of the fluoride and most DPBs. The major drawback is the expense of installing an RO filter as most need a plumber to get up and running. Ion Exchange Filter Ion exchange is designed to remove dissolved salts in the water, such as calcium. This system actually softens the water or exchanges natural-forming mineral ions in the water with its own ions, thereby neutralizing their harmful effect of creating scale build-up. The ion exchange system was originally used in boilers and other industrial situations before becoming popular in home purifying units, which usually combine the system with carbon for greater effectiveness. Granular Carbon and Carbon Block Filters These are the most common types of counter top and under counter water filters. Granular carbon filters and carbon block systems perform the same process of contaminant removal, adsorption, which is the chemical or physical bond of a contaminant to the surface of the filter media. Granular activated carbon is recognized by the EPA as the best available technology for the removal of organic chemicals like herbicides, pesticides and industrial chemicals. However, one of the downfalls of granular carbon filters is that the loose material inside can channel-the water creates pathways through the carbon material, escaping filtering. Carbon block filters offer the same superior filtering ability but are compressed with the carbon medium in a solid form. This eliminates channeling and gives the ability to precisely combine multiple media in a sub-micron filter cartridge. By combining different media, the ability to selectively remove a wide range of contaminants can be achieved. Ideally, you want a filtration system that offers a variety of methods to remove different contaminants. Most systems do not address a combination of organic, inorganic, cyst, sediment and metals. I'm pleased to announce that I have located a family of filters that I believe are the best filters on the market in terms of effectiveness, value, and ease of use. They are all manufactured in the U.S. under exclusive contract with a company specializing in advanced water treatment products, and will include both countertop and under-counter filters. The Pure & Clean line of filters will be available in my online store around mid-December. Living Water Keeping the Balance

In choosing the right type of water for you and your family, you want to aim for pH balance. Distilled water is too acidic and alkaline water is too alkaline. The ideal pH of your water should be between 6.5 to 7.5, which is neutral. Mountain spring water is in this ideal range. It is some of the healthiest water on the planet because it is "living water". Living water, like "living food is in its raw, natural state the way nature intended. One of the main reasons I am such an advocate for eating raw, organic vegetables is because these "living foods" contain biophotons, small units of light stored by all organic organisms, including you. Gravity-fed spring water is alive in much the same way. When you take this vital energy into your body, you are re-charging it with health and encouraging it to return to a whole and balanced state. Now, when I mention mountain spring water, I don't mean the two-gallon jugs you see sitting on your grocery store shelf. I'm talking about water you bottle yourself from a gravity-fed spring. There's a great website called FindaSpring.com where you can find a natural spring in your area. This is a great way to get back to nature and teach your children about health and the sources of clean water. The best part is that most of these spring water sources are free! It is important to bring either clear polyethylene or glass containers on your trip to collect the water so no unsafe chemicals can contaminate your pure drinking water on the way home. If you choose to use glass bottles, be sure to wrap them in towels to keep them from breaking in the car. How Much Water Should You Drink? So, how much pure filtered or spring water should you drink per day? Six glasses? Eight? Well, here's a good rule of thumb: You should be drinking enough water to turn your urine a light-colored yellow. If you are outside on a hot day or engaging in strenuous activity, it is advisable to increase your water intake as needed. It is also important to note that as you age, your thirst mechanism works less efficiently. Older adults need to pay more attention to the color of their urine to see if their water intake is adequate. Coconut Water and Vegetable Juicing Adding a Little Variety As I mentioned in a previous article, coconuts are an excellent source of fresh, pure water and electrolytes. Coconuts are also rich in lauric acid, which is known for its immuneboosting as well as its antiviral, antibacterial and antifungal properties so it's an ideal choice when you're sick.

An even better pure healthy water is vegetable juicing. I recommend buying pesticide-free, organic vegetables for optimal nutritional benefit. Health Benefits of Drinking Pure Water I can't say enough about the health benefits of drinking pure water. Here are only a few of the many health benefits you and your family will enjoy once you make the switch to pure water:

Maintain a healthy body weight Properly digest food and absorb nutrients from food Have healthy, glowing skin Decrease muscle and joint inflammation Have better circulation Detoxify your body naturally

Finally, the extensively researched and fascinating book, Your Body's Many Cries for Water, should be required reading by all, and definitely belongs on every health care practitioner's bookshelf. Related Articles: General

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Bottled Water

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Tap Water

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Distilled Water

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Alkaline Water

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Water Filters

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Vitamin Water

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Coconut Water

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Water Bottles

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Water Videos

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Dr. Joseph Mercola How Drinking More Spring or Distilled Water Improve Every Facet of your Life www.mercola.com

The 3rd Plague is Karma or retaliation for the shedding of the blood of the Saints in past reincarnations
Rev 16:5

[niv]Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: "You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged; [kjv]And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. [niv]for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve." [kjv]For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. [niv]And I heard the altar respond: "Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments." [kjv]And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

Rev 16:6

Rev 16:7

Fluoride on Toothpaste

zgopify
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Dec 26, 2010


And this is the danger of brushing your teeth with a ghastly fluoride and chemically filled variety of disgusting artificial toothpaste. You are getting neurological poisoning...throw that away at once and get a new one in your health food store...we shant even speak of your unlucky toothpaste-poisoned kids...

Next Danger: Not through water but vaccines!


Some people alluded to the fact that in addition to being mixed to our drinking water, and in the light of increasing alertness of the people regarding environment, the government has connived with business industries to dispose the same deadly chemical waste such as lead, mercury, cadmium, hydrofluorosilicic acids (which often contains arsenic, mercury, lead), instead of into the sea or land or environment, to the human bodies through vaccination! They will throw this chemical garbage to the human body, using the human body as the trash can! We shall now quote what we have found in the internet regarding vaccines and the presence of fluoride.

vikingstork
Joined On 6/2009

Posted On Nov 18, 2010

You could point fingers forever and always miss someone. What about the high profile fools, who support this scam, (it's close to their heart - that's how they got rich themselves, only in different racket). I only need to mention Bill Gates who is throwing huge sums of money into big pharma pockets to promote vaccination. But the main culprit is still being ignored -- GREED!!! Until greed is recognized for what it is -- A MENTAL DISEASE, and victims of it get institutionalized, this problem will not disappear. These criminals are fabulously healthy, and there are countless millions who will support and protect them, in hope some of the wealth may rub off on them.

Drug Companies are ranked among the 100 Top ????

Part of the Larger Scheme The 6 Top Thugs of the Medical World As Ranked by "Top 100 Corporate Criminals" List
Posted By Dr. Mercola | November 18 2010 | 60,011 views

On August 19, Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller issued a call for whistleblowers to step forward and help the state and federal government crack down on health care and pharmaceutical industries that defraud the government of billions of dollars. Announcing that the Indiana Medicaid program would recover $9.52 million from a record $2.3 billion federal lawsuit won against Pfizer, Zoeller said that fraud on Medicare and Medicaid each year is estimated to be a multi-billion-dollar problem. He isn't wrong: According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalists, the vast corruption that pharmaceutical companies are guilty of is fraught with fraud, cover-ups of fatal side effects, and huge kickbacks paid to doctors.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg. The real truth is that it is much, much worse.

Dr. Mercola's Comment s:


Fraud. Kickbacks. Price-setting, bribery and illegal sales activities, including a felony count of assisting the Arab League in acquiring documents on Israeli business activities. Add in all the doctored and back-dated documents, federal and civil lawsuits, and billions of dollars in government sanctions, fines, and penalties not to mention the deaths and you'd think it was the script for a thriller global action movie. But no, it's just Big Pharma at its deceitful best, dancing all the way to the bank while continuing to defraud the world of billions of dollars, and endangering the lives of regular people like you and me. When I set out to investigate some of the criminal activities that the 12 largest pharmaceutical companies had been convicted of lately, I had a general idea of the hornet's nest I would be stepping into. But the amount of gross misconduct, fraud and deceit I found was so insidious, so massive, and so overwhelming that I decided to narrow my original 12 picks down to just five for the purposes of this article. Because of the uniqueness of one particular company's offense a felony guilty plea to conspiring with the Arab League I added a sixth.

'Get Out of Jail Free'


I'm sure that each and every one of the drug companies who have had to pay fines for their criminal activities would argue that they've hardly been given a "get out of jail free" pass. But when you look at what they took, compared to what they've had to pay back, I think you'll agree their punishment amounted to little more than a slap on the wrist. The six companies I'm highlighting, in descending order of their annual revenues, are: 1. Johnson & Johnson 2. Pfizer 3. Roche 4. GlaxoSmithKline 5. Novartis 6. Baxter International Size-wise, Baxter is actually way down the list at No. 17. But I felt this company's offenses were so egregious that I just couldn't ignore them. You may remember that last year at the height of the so-called flu pandemic, Baxter "mistakenly" mixed the lethal, live, biological weapon/virus, H5N1, with seasonal flu, then sent it to labs around Europe. The potential disaster could have meant worldwide devastation, had it not been for the fact that the Czech Republic tested the vaccine before distributing it and found it was a deadly cocktail. Would it surprise you then, that Baxter is the company that, in 1993, pled guilty to the felony count of violating U.S. laws prohibiting cooperation with the Arab boycott against Israel?

At the time, the Veterans Administration was so angered by this offense that they cited it as one reason why they wanted to suspend Baxter from all VA contracts for three years. The kicker was that the catalyst to the suspension was the VA's contention that Baxter had "knowingly misled and provided false information to VA purchasing agents, in an attempt to get them to purchase Baxter products." In the end, Baxter agreed to pay more than $6.5 million in civil and criminal penalties to settle the Arab "mistake."

Mistakes, Mistakes, Mistakes


You'll find that "mistakes" happen often with Baxter. From dozens of recalls of products that caused deaths and injuries, to at least 11 different guilty pleas to fraud and illegal sales activity, to more than 200 lawsuits many of them stemming from selling AIDS-tainted blood to hemophiliacs to more than $1.3 billion in criminal fines and civil penalties, Baxter over the years has racked up a record that makes Bonnie and Clyde look like angels. While I don't have space to name all the Baxter products that allegedly have caused deaths and/or injuries, a more recent product is its blood thinner Heparin, the subject of a lawsuit filed by actor Dennis Quaid and his wife, who say their twins were injured by it. Another Baxter product that caused deaths through the years was its tainted dialysis filters, which led to the company settling lawsuits of patients who died as a result of the tainted filters. It's no wonder why, in 1999, Baxter was named by AllBusiness.com as one of the "Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the 1990s!" Baxter earned its No. 87 spot on AllBusiness' Top 100 Corporate Criminals list thanks to its guilty plea to dealing with the Arab League. But that place pales in comparison to (Hoffman La) Roche, which was crowned Corporate Criminal No. 1 for its $500 million criminal fine for leading a worldwide conspiracy to raise and fix prices and allocate market shares for certain vitamins sold in the United States and elsewhere. The conspiracy lasted nine years, federal officials said but it was the kind of "mistake" that was oft-repeated by a slew of drug companies during that decade.

Bribery, Fraud, Illegal Activities They Just Keep Repeating


In all, 19 drug companies made AllBusiness.com's Top 100 Corporate Criminals List for the 1990s. Their fines totaled nearly $850 million and that was just the settlements, not the actual losses the government alleged, for crimes such as defrauding Medicare, Medicaid, and even the FDA, as well as international price-setting, false claims, hiding serious problems with their drugs and, in one case (Ortho, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson), obstruction of justice and eight counts of persuading employees to destroy documents in a federal investigation! What is sad and shocking is that this was just the tip of the iceberg, AllBusiness.com said in its report. "For every company convicted of health care fraud, there are numerous others who get away with ripping off Medicare and Medicaid, or face only mild slap-on-the-wrist fines and civil penalties when caught," I have to admit this literally makes me sick. If this is true and I don't doubt it one iota can you imagine what the tally might be for the latest decade, which has seen record fines like the one that Pfizer was hit with last year?

Too Big to Fail?

You may recall that I wrote about this -- in the largest health care fraud settlement in history, Pfizer was ordered to pay $2.3 billion to resolve criminal and civil allegations that the company illegally promoted uses of four of its drugs, including the painkiller Bextra. The other drugs were the antipsychotic Geodon, the antibiotic Zyvox, and the anti-epileptic Lyrica. Only a few years earlier, Pfizer had paid $430 million for illegally promoting uses of its seizure drug, Neurontin. Yet, these are just a few examples of all the "mistakes" Pfizer has made through the years, making it very clear why AllBusiness.com named this company No. 17 in the Top Corporate Criminals for the 1990s. Technically speaking, companies found guilty of fraud like this are banned from dealing with Medicare and Medicaid again. But, as I've already reported, do you think that happened with Pfizer? Nope. Instead, in a slap-on-the-wrist move that resembled the too-big-to-fail bank bailouts, federal prosecutors allowed Pfizer to avoid being sentenced for massive fraud and deception by letting them form a sham company to take the fall. So, in the end, Pfizer's "imaginary friend" Pharmacia & Upjohn shouldered the conviction, even though it had never sold any drugs. As CNN found, "the subsidiary is nothing more than a shell company whose only function is to plead guilty." And Pfizer got off scot-free, except for that little $2.3 billion fine that amounted to just three months' profits.

And Then There's Merck


Merck is another branch of Big Pharma with a long list of deaths to its credit. It was five years before Merck made its $30 billion recall of Vioxx that I warned my readers that this pain killer might be a real killer for some people. As people began to die from heart attacks, strokes, and blood clotting disorders, I didn't like being right. But I hated that after it was over, and the drug had been pulled, that Merck appeared to pick up the pieces painlessly pun intended by getting a new drug fast-tracked and on the market, lickety-split. That drug is Gardasil, a vaccine that so far has been linked to thousands of adverse events and at least 49 unexplained deaths. It's a situation that the FDA and CDC have been denying repeatedly, keeping their heads buried in the sand even as the adverse reports mount. Merck has had other problems through the years, with more than $5.5 billion in judgments and fines levied against it. But like Pfizer, apparently somebody thinks this company is also "too big to fail."

Johnson & Johnson: Just Another Drug Gang Member


As I mentioned earlier, this company made the 1990s Corporate Criminal list for deliberately destroying documents related to a criminal investigation case on one its products. You probably don't need to be reminded of all the recalls Johnson & Johnson has had over the years with its pain products, specifically Motrin, Tylenol and Fentanyl (pain killer patches). The fact that Johnson & Johnson has paid out over $1 billion in the last few years in fines and judgments probably comes as no surprise either. But did you know that just recently (in May) the company pleaded guilty to illegally promoting its epilepsy drug Topamax for psychiatric purposes, and in so doing, settled a civil lawsuit in the case for $75 million? You probably didn't realize, either, that in January the US Dept. of Justice accused Johnson & Johnson of paying tens of millions of dollars in kickbacks to Omnicare Inc to buy and recommend Johnson & Johnson drugs. This latest scheme is the subject of a federal lawsuit that has 18 states suing not just Omnicare, but 14 other major drug companies, alleging that they ran this scheme together.

The lawsuit's been filed under the federal False Claims Act and, yes, Merck, Pfizer, Roche, Johnson & Johnson, and GlaxoSmithKline are all in there with Omnicare. Watch for news of this lawsuit in the upcoming months but in the meantime, think about this: in the wake of all this hassle, Omnicare's CEO Joel Gemunder has quit, but not without remuneration. His parting pay is a record $130 million! But again, this is just the tip of an iceberg.

GlaxoSmithKline: 1,500 Deaths Alleged


At more than $5 billion in fines and judgments, GlaxoSmithKline is treading the same muddy waters as Merck, especially since its HPV vaccine counterpart, Cervarix, has its own share of adverse reactions and alleged deaths being reported around the world. GSK's most recent "mistakes" stem from its diabetes drug, Avandia, which the FDA on September 23 decided to "regulate" a little but not withdraw, leaving Avandia as a "mistake" that is still ongoing. What we do know so far is that GSK spent 11 years trying to cover up trial data that showed that Avandia was a risky drug for the heart. In my research for this article, I also discovered that Avandia topped the list of drugs linked to fatal adverse events in 2009, according to an analysis of U.S. Food and Drug Administration records. With a staggering 1,354 deaths reported to the FDA in 2009 alone, it's hard to believe that this drug is still even in discussion! But, like the others I investigated, GSK also has made hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements for fraud cases and pricing disputes, as well as judgments won by the federal government in Medicare and Medicaid fraud suits.

Roche: No. 1 in AllBusiness.com's Corporate Criminal Book


Roche's offenses have been ongoing over the years in its companies and affiliates around the world. Most recently, in March, Roche suspended a clinical trial for a rheumatoid arthritis and lupus drug after serious infections, some of them fatal, were reported with it. Officials reported that the trial was stopped because "opportunistic" infections like those found in the trials are not normal in healthy individuals. Sadly, that information was too late for 15 Japanese patients, who died after taking one of Roche's approved arthritis medicines, Actemra. But that's not the end of deaths related to Roche products: Another Roche drug, Posicor, was withdrawn in 1998 after reports of at least 140 deaths linked to harmful interactions of Posicor with other drugs. It's no wonder that Roche has had to pay out nearly $2 billion in judgments and fines over the years, with thousands of individuals suing them. But before I move on, let me remind you that Roche also manufactures the CDC's and FDA's favorite flu stand-by, Tamiflu. And in case you've forgotten, Tamiflu was blamed for the deaths of 18 Japanese children in 2007, and the subject of a warning by the Japanese Ministry of Health not to give this drug to children ages 10 to 19. With a record like this, you would think that Roche and the rest of the drug king pins known as Big Pharma would have just a little shame over what they've done over the years. But, since the offenses just keep coming, and since states like Indiana have to keep on begging for whistleblowers to step forward, it's apparent that Pharma's sense of shame is nonexistent. It seems fitting then, to end with this New York Times headline from 1999, when Roche was the subject of the price-fixing scandal that earned its No. 1 Corporate Criminal spot on AllBusiness.com's list:

"Roche Officers Say Scandal Is a Surprise." Yes, they proclaimed innocence, even while the federal government was busy yanking their hands right out of the cookie jar.

Scam-Buster Efforts by States and the Feds Continue


Fortunately, states' attorneys general like Zoeller are gaining ground in gathering support for routing out the criminal acts that Big Pharma continues to perpetuate. More and more, organizations like the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the False Claims Act Legal Center, and Politicol News are starting to investigate and publicize the illegal and criminal actions that these companies have been getting away with for years. Thanks to the federal False Claims Act, state and federal investigators have a gun that they can use to hunt down and prosecute these heinous crimes with. If you visit the False Claims Act Legal Center website, you'll get a hint of just how much this type of corporate has been going on. But again, it's just a hint, just the tip of an iceberg. What it does prove is that Big Pharma can't be trusted and they have the criminal history to prove it. What's most shocking, though, is that even when they get caught with deaths on their hands, along with the money in the cookie jar of price-fixing, fraud and deceit, is that like Pfizer, their punishments appear to be just little slaps on the wrist. Apparently, they are too big to nail; too big to fail. So, like Baxter, instead of shutting down, they cough up a pittance in comparison to what they took, and continue onward with their government contracts for vaccines and other drugs. It's encouraging that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in July announced the formation of the Healthcare Fraud Prevention and Enforcement Action Team, which together with the Department of Justice, US Attorneys' Offices and other federal agencies will target healthcare and drug fraud. But, as Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller said, it's going to take more than that. So, whistleblowers, come out and help in this crusade. It's time to hold Big Pharma's career criminals accountable.

Chart Showing 6 Drug Companies' "Mistakes"


The chart below shows the type of criminal activity, lawsuits and fines or judgments I was able to find for each of the drug companies featured in this article. Keep in mind that these are conservative numbers many records are not available without a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. Also, many are not readily available online unless you know exactly what you're looking for, and what year. Type of criminal activity Guilty of fraud and/or Illegal sales activity Federal and/or Civil lawsuits Pfizer 9 GSK 11 Baxter 8 Merck & Co. 7 Roche 4 Johnson & Johnson 14

10,000+ Individuals or together in class action suits $4 Billion+

800+

226+ Unnamed number of persons w/AIDS

100,000 5,000+ Individuals Individual or together and/or class in class action action suits

500+ Individual and/or class action

Dollar Amount of fines, judgments as a result of criminal or civil litigation

$5 Billion+ $1.3 Billion+ $5.5 Billion+ $1.7 Billion+

$1 Billion+

Source: Office of the Indiana Attorney General August 19, 2010 Source: Bureau of Investigative Journalism August 11, 2010

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COMMUNITY COMMENTS

Manus
Joined On 11/2008

Posted On Nov 18, 2010

It is all very well to point the finger at Big Pharma but look who is supporting them in their quest to medically subdue, maim and kill the unwitting masses of the entire world. Look at those who are protecting them from prosecution and bankruptcy. Let's start at the very top...the US Government, the FDA, the CDC, The United Nations, the World Health Organisation and other branches like Unesco and Unicef. All the governments signed up to the UN, most medical colleges and their researchers, most professors and high ranking surgeons. Add to that the Bankster Elite who bankrole the activities of these criminal syndicates and the indoctrination and coercion of most doctors around the world who won't or can't heal people and are dishing out toxic drugs as though they are lollies. The world is lumbered with the most insidious murdering quackery ever devised by a profession that prides itself for it's humanity and 'saver of lives'. What a sick joke. How it is possible for people to remain under the spell of this terrible demonic organisation? It is time allopathy was exposed for what it is and what damage it does to the entire world population. This monumental failure must be exposed, not only because of the gigantic lies that are made out as scientific truths, but for the protection of the multitudes who are being killed through iatrogenocide as a demographic tool to cull the billions of our fellows who have no idea this greatest crime of all time is being perpetrated on them.

pitaats
Joined On 3/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010

Have been an RN for over 40 years(now retired). I learned a great deal over the years and one of the most distressing things is that our medical system promotes disease with Big Pharma leading the way while holding hands with many physicians and politicos. None of this information surprises me. A few years ago some drug reps came into the clinic in

which I was working as a diabetic educator ---they brought donuts and sweet rolls to the staff while touting Avandia!! I told them they should be ashamed of themselves for selling drugs that cause problems and not cure them and to have the ignorance and/or cheek to bring the very things that help create diabetes!!!! What an unqualified mess our medical system has become !!!!

2thoughtful
Joined On 8/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010

It is my impression that the pharmaceutical industry and government have distorted medical education. Most medical doctors don't seem to know any better or else are afraid that they will be put out of business if they dare take a primarily non-pharmeceutical approach to caring for their patients. The pharmaceutical approach automatically becomes the "standard of care".

Blame the Patients Too!

pitaats
Joined On 3/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010

I agree that allopathic medicine predates pharma. I've been reading all these comments that excuse the MDs and the ignorant masses; however, I hold ALL of us humans accountable for our medical system and our own health. The vast majority of humans can read some form of language and have some ability to think. In this age of hypercommunication, few of us can plead total ignorance to the world around us. How many physicians do you know who can't read ? Many people DO NOT want to take any responsibility for their health or lack thereof. I have had patients look me in the eye and say "I don't care about lifestyle, just give me a pill"!!!! Most docs laughed at me for my views on lifestyle being the major causative factor for most chronic diseases. I actually received a lecture and negative feedback because my patients asked "too many questions about nutrition" during the mandatory diabetic classes. Ok, I'm ranting a bit. Sorry. My point is that we cannot excuse anyone in this medical mess. I say suck it up and take some responsibility. Part of my frustration is that I just don't know what to DO about this horrible corrupt situation in which we find ourselves or perhaps we have made for ourselves.

stoic
Joined On 3/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


get your frustration pitaats, but am not about to spread the responsibility. this system & its aims were on the ground well in advance of my birth & "us" taking responsibility for it would be just another case of 'privatizing profits & socializing costs'...it's one thing to have that forced, at gunpoint, it's another to volunteer for it..... as for 'what to do', my conclusion is that bowing out is the correct move. if you are connected to the borg, even despite possible noble intentions, disconnect. stop voting, as that merely serves to topcoat the beast with a patina of "legitimacy" (that it has never had...). stop misusing 'health insurance': low deductibles & running to the doc for sniffles, hang nails, etc...better yet, put the premium dollars into savings & learn to manage/grow the capital (& then SHOP your healthcare needs internationally, a la "medical vacations"). if such as the above are what you meant by taking responsibility, aye......

Pat Ormsby
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


I enjoyed your rant, pitaats. The majority of humans seem to make themselves into cows to be milked for profit, and then we get all up in arms when the socios go ahead and do that. "A pill for all ills" was the promise of our brave new future, and so many people want the easy way that they close their eyes to the imperfections, pay out their money for the purported cure and refuse to take any further responsibility for themselves. It's like that everywhere. In Japan, we have big box drug stores which stock OTC drugs on one side (and some herbal remedies, blood pressure gauges, etc., to their credit) and junk food on the other, with sugar and trans fats figuring prominently. Clever self-sustaining enterprises! That would be merely laughable (beyond the tragedy of watching loved ones fritter away their health), except a situation reminiscent of the Matrix has evolved, in which those of us who wake up incur the wrath of the system and have to dodge its missiles. Our advantage is that we have our health, and we will find ways to keep it even if they legislate bad choices. With work, we may yet outlive the monsters (dirty Baxterds?) we have created.

india007
Joined On 10/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


What an excellent article. keep up good work Dr. Mercola. I will never buy any priscripton drug. I was diagnose diabetic type 1. with excercise and good nutrition I have reversed diabetes. my sugar is highly controlled and I am taking insulin injection only once in the evening before meal. sooner I will

be insulin free. I controlled by blood pressure with walnut, beet juice and celery and other plant based nutrition & fish oil.I was prescribed drug for high blood pressure but I am not taking. I am also not eating any GM food. These drug lord are no different than colombian drug mafia. Luckily they are not in third reich otherwise you can imagine what would happen to these drug lord. I think these drug mafia deserve gas chamber for unltimate departure from this world. Next biotech companies should be broght to justice inculing Monsanto.

Randyfast
Joined On 5/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


I've been saying for a long time that corporations (including Big Pharma), are nothing more than criminal organizations.

JayPatrick
Joined On 11/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


In order to function as consuming "sheeple", we have been conditioned from birth to unconsciously allow authorities and advertisers to define our choices thus we end up being subjected to often-harmful or at the very least, unnecessary circumstances, especially when it comes to orthodox medicine which includes drugs. Mega-corporations have morphed into sociopathological institutions of heartless greed. And our government has been complicit in choosing to ignore or overturn anti-trust laws. This has happened with nearly all of the giant corporations, who now "rule the world" as lawless oligarchies. In my opinion, most pharmaceuticals are unnecessary, and/or ultimately do more harm than good! Or might even kill us. Personally, though I benefit from a number of non-drug supplements, at age 68 I've able been to overcome various apparently chronic health conditions most of which were caused by magnesium deficiency. Just three years ago, my pulse was close to 190, and irregular. The cardiologist's tests cost nearly $10k, but nothing could be detected. I started on a drug which did work, but it diminished my sexuality. At that point, I threw out the pills and experimented with various supplements, which actually worked, though I tried so many I couldn't tell which ones were truly effective. The cardiologist kept telling me that even though I was not an active athlete, I could die of a heart attack at any time. Finally he had another nuclear stress test which somehow went wrong. Next morning I had the rapid heart rate and arrhymia again, along with new problems including terrible fibromyalgia, as well as intermittent claudication. At that point I'd had it with conventional medicine for the most part, but I kept experimenting with effective supplements. After 7 painful months, I stumbled on magnesium oil, and in a little over a week, all of my symptoms were about gone. I had seized the day, and regained the rewards of personal responsibility!

Reverend Alan
Joined On 12/2007

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Posted On Nov 18, 2010


"In my opinion, most pharmaceuticals are unnecessary, and/or ultimately do more harm than good!" I believe that is an opinion that is shared by most all of us reading these pages [at www.mercola.com]!

Golfer Guy
Joined On 7/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


Call me cynical, but I'm sure the drug companies see the fines as a minor cost of doing business. Until CEOs and other corp higher ups are marched into court rooms wearing orange prison garb and handcuffs we won't see any changes. These people are choosing profits over the lives of their customers. People with that sort of twisted morality won't change until their lives (freedom) are in jeopardy.

dawick
Joined On 11/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


How did such a valuable and important segment of our lives and economy turn so rotten? The continuing criminal venality of the pharmaceutical industry and its ability to withstand punishment, evade responsibility, and corrupt its partners and overseers is no doubt historic in its size and prevalence. Articles like these, pressure from citizen health advocates and local legal actions taking the companies to court are perhaps our only defense against these serial crimes since Congress, the FDA, the AMA, most medical schools and a host of other health-oriented organizations and research institutions that should be looking out for us are already bought and paid for by the drug companies and their lobbyists. One question remains for me: What happens to all the money in fines that is collected from the guilty bad-guy pharmas? Subtracting legal costs and perhaps even individual and class action pay-outs, there still must be hundreds upon hundreds of millions sitting somewhere. Wouldn't it be wonderful and true justice if perhaps 25% of those remaining funds could be used, in part, to further education of the citizens in the U.S. and elsewhere in how to avoid the use of drugs in the first place through proper nutrition, moderate exercise, improved lifestyle changes, adequate sleep and hydration, and correct supplementation.

Another just and ironic use of those fines would be to provide funding for studies/research on natural-based solutions to the same health problems covered by pharmaceuticals such as Vitamin D, CoQ10, high quality fish/krill oil, Budwig Protocol, and many, many others so that members of the medical community would have the "science-based" proof they need to steer their patients away from over-priced and often dangerous drugs and toward these inexpensive, less intrusive, equally- or more-effective outcomes.

Reverend Alan
Joined On 12/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


"One question remains for me: What happens to all the money in fines that is collected from the guilty bad-guy pharmas?" Interesting question. If it goes to the treasury then the money is wasted along with all the tax money that goes to the treasury. Too bad it couldn't be directed to nutritional research facilities.

bmc
Joined On 2/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


I'm guessing all that money goes to vacations for high ranking gov employees.

Neverending
Joined On 1/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


I have never been a fan of Big Pharma starting around 10 years ago. I have high blood pressure and the countless meds I've tried have been horrible as far as side effects. I began questioning just how the drug companies could manufacture and sell such drugs. That one question led me to begin researching any new medication my doctor would prescribe. I've fired 6 doctors in the last 10 years due to arguing with them about drugs and wanting something natural, something alternative. Well, you guessed it; I was laughed at, told to stop doing research and just listen to what I was being told. Yeah, right! Not something I felt I should be told. In fact, my response back was, "are we not told to take control of our health care and be involved in it?" I am so furious after reading this article. My own brother died of a massive stroke while taking Avandia for his diabetes. I sat for 2 days watching him die. All I can do is thank the doctor and nursing staff for making my brother's last days on earth, pain free. He died peacefully, Sept. 8, 2007. I am now involved in a class action lawsuit against GSK. Even if I never win a penny, at least something can be done to get this dangerous drug OFF the market. Why the FDA won't pull it

is mind boggling and upsets me to no end. Any doctor who prescribes this drug ought to have their license pulled as well, knowing it is dangerous. Are profits more important than people's lives? Where these drug companies come from, the answer is, YES!

sjm442005
Joined On 9/2010

Posted On Nov 21, 2010


This information is more easily available to us now thanks in a large part to the internet. Most doctors probably dread people like us walking into their office ,asking too many questions and refusing their 'easy' solutions. I went to the doctor not to long ago and told her that i wanted to stop taking this drug. I had already stopped taking it a month prior to the visit and was having some difficulty. She spent the entire appointment giving me very general explanations that didnt really apply to me. I walked out of there with a prescription for the drug i wanted to get off of. No other help whatsoever.

Pristine
Joined On 12/2010

Posted On Dec 28, 2010


I am still counting the relatives we have lost due to drugs and chemo "therapy" effects.

kefa55
Joined On 11/2010

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


Dear Dr.Mercola as you know that most of the "medicine" is a fraud and all their studies are fraudulent and misleading . Unfortunately the doctors are as guilty as the industry. Starting from the lipid theory and bashing the saturated fats to proclaiming that the Sun causes a cancer ,the cholesterol causes circulation problems , to exaggerated the importance of the anti oxidants and free radicals . As much as we need anti oxidants ,we need oxidants as well. What makes us thing that we know more than our body does. The simple truth is that we don't. The doctors mess things up cause our approach to a medical problem is wrong by design. Doctors can't go to the bathroom without their pharmaceutical almanack. Until this is changed the pharmaceutical will rule.

nutritionpower
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


The doctors are not as guilty. The pharmaceutical industry is DELIBERATELY misleading people. Working with many doctors as I do every day in traditional medicine, most of them really believe that they are doing what is best for the patient. Most of them believe the studies are valid. Some are cheats, sure. Some are in it for their own profit. But most don't read www.mercola.con or www.naturalnews.com to realize how deep this is. And most have already been "pre programmed" as I was in the past to prejudice them against natural medicine. So they have a hard time believing. But many do believe both. Many continue to take vaccines themselves because they don't do the math. You will never find such an article about Baxter in the Main Stream Media.

nutritionpower
Joined On 6/2006

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


Oh yes. And I forgot. The doctors who try to question the system, are bulled into either keeping quiet, quitting or going into alternative medicine where insurance doesn't pay for what they do. They never qualify for "in network" provider, and they cannot successfully be attached to hospitals in most cases, and as a result, most of us have to have a second doctor too= just in case.

etbsndc
Joined On 8/2006

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


The doctors are PUSHING these poisons. I learned the same anatomy and physiology in Chiropractic college as the MDs. Of course, I already was smart enough to see through the lies before I went to college. Apparently these shills for BigPharm don't know how to ask questions that are of value......they like to demand that you produce the "double blind studies" and the like--the studies that the pharmaceutical companies run on their own products and then absolutely lie about. How long can they claim that they don't have the time to do their own research? Just what are they being paid for? These so-called professionals have had a pass for too many decades and it is high time that they man/woman up and begin PROTECTING those whom they purport care for.

dr jimni
Joined On 12/2007

Posted On Nov 18, 2010


I have to disagree with you nutritionpower. I can't give the doctors a free pass. Any doctor who thinks more about the welfare of his patients than he or she thinks about getting their patients out the door with a script in their hand so they can see the next one waiting cannot in all honesty believe they're doing what's best for their patients. The average general practitioner in the US is more dangerous with their prescription pad than a serial killer at a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon is with a fully loaded AK47. You can't tell me those doctors don't see the harm they're doing with their drugs. I don't buy that. I think they're more concerned with the dollars they make than they are with spending the time it takes to help their patients.

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The 3rd Plague is Karma or retaliation for the shedding of the blood of the Saints in past reincarnations
Rev 16:5

[niv]Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: "You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged; [kjv]And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. [niv]for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve." [kjv]For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. [niv]And I heard the altar respond: "Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments." [kjv]And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

Rev 16:6

Rev 16:7

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